How many of us can hack into banking websites, gov't websites, and other high value and sensitive areas...then, how many those actually do it?
Just because something can be done does not mean it will be done. They were being very honest "we can do this" --- well duh...so can anyone who knows how to hack.
Now I would not send sensitive security data over AIM, in case of a potential hacker (especially on a regular basis) but I do not think it is AIM who is doing it...with the exception of a potential rogue employee. While this is unfortunate, it is hard to control every single persons every single action while at work (how many of you are posting on/. from work?). In the end, there is always going to be someone with unrestricted access to the data.
I do not think AOL is being evil at this point - the fact that they are providing AIM for free to the masses is very generous of them - especially for those people who do not use the actual aim client and get the no-advertisement usage.
until that free service is changed to a pay service. It tends to go that route...the little guy comes up and says "hey look you can have this wonderful product for free. It offers the same as the pay guy, but it's free, and since we are small we will give you extra attention".... and then they start to charge.
Nothing wrong with it---someone has to pay for the web design, bandwidth, advertising, research, document, writing, etc. This stuff costs money and it is going to be paid by the creators (I doubt they want to do this), advertisers (which makes the creators have to appease the advertisers), or by us.
yea, using a laptop in the bathroom stall - I just don't see that happening. Sides I never buy the paper, i just find someone who was kind enough to leave theirs behind... hmm maybe someone will be kind enough to leave their laptop behind in the bathroom stall:)
Nothing wrong with patents in my mind, not even software patents (while some say it is just math formulas, it is more then that...i.e. Counterstrike is more then just a math formula).
Or as the saying goes "The whole is greater then the sum of all of its parts."
My problem is that the patent office needs to be fixed. They need to realize what is going on - and have specialists (if they do, they are not doing their job properly).
No such thing as bad PR. If we had such an organization, every little company would want to get on that negative list because it would give the double advertisement. In the end, people will rmemeber the company name - not what they did.
Bully = SCO
You = Linux
Old bully = IBM?
Big Brother = Courts
Creep = Billy G
Crappy Bike = Windows
"even some people" = Bunch of people from computer community
"Your friends" = Us
It gave publicity to Linux - which is a good thing. Think of it as free advertisement. So yes it is a good thing....to say it would have happend either way is kind of presumptuous. Without all of this publicity, chances are the status quo would have stayed the same for a long time and by then we can't really speculate (at least I admit that I can't) if Linux would have gained a good boost or dropped like a rock in water.
Remember, the best product (not saying Linux is or isn't) doesn't always make it to the top.
At least in PA, getting your gun from anywhere other then a gun shop (which includes valid transfers) or the gov't (i.e. police force) is illegal. So if I give my brother my gun (without going through a gun transfer protocol) then he is carrying a weapon illegally - especially if he does not have a carrying permit.
I would change. Sifting through all the music, finding a decent quality track, d/ling, etc can be a pain in the neck...my time is worth more then 5 cents per song. So yes I would.
Now I do think there are many people with my mindset, but I definitly do realize there are people out there who would find it difficult to pay 1 cent per song - or even 1 cent per CD!!! Why? Because people are cheap, want to get something for nothing, and people want to be "rebels".
If this price happened, I would say that it is the step in the RIGHT direction...in fact, at 5 cents per song (assuming no other strings attached) I would say that this is the nail that should shut the coffin and nobody could have a reasonable excuse as to why they are pirating instead of paying for the music.
We are just getting, royally, ripped off by the gov't contractors that NASA is forced to use. The amount that these companies are charging us for parts is astronomical (no pun intended). If it wasn't for the regulations of gov't spending and gov't contracts - we would be so much better off - and companies like Lockheed Martin & Boeing wouldn't be able to rip us off.
Blame the politicians on this one - not the scientists.
As I said, when four police officers said that I should do it, and that as long as the guy had a gun on him, then no judge would fault me. You are correct though, when the gun is pointed at you do what they want and pray....when it is no longer pointed at you shoot to kill. I did, in those moments, think I was going to die - but I was smart/lucky enough not to do anything to provoke them. When someone has a gun touching the back of your head- you are kinda screwed --- the movies be damned.
You call that violent? I want to throw her down the stairs, and split her head open WHILE she is alive. Bitch should have known not to ask me for more money then we agreed to;)
If you have your gun, will you 1) turn around, grab your gun, arm it, aim and fire fast enough for the asshole who had the gun on the back of your head ready to shoot and 2) not hit an innocent bystander?
1)Gun is already armed and I will shoot him when he turns around to leave. No I do not think I am so quick as to be faster then his trigger.
2) Criminals tend to rob people with little to no witnesses around. During the whole event, one person walked by us - and quickly ran when he saw what happend. That and I have never missed a target (moving or stationary) in my entire life - and I have shot quite a few weapons ranging from pistals to fully auto-m60's (I was in army rotc)
Sorry, but I don't get this. People aren't even responsible enough to use their fucking flashers when they change lane. They drive in snow storm like on a racetrack. You want them to cary guns? I'm very happy to live in a place where we are not so obsessed with the concept of owning guns and shooting everything. I also find stupid those who think passing laws against guns will prevent criminals from having guns. However, I see only more risks, accidents and murders if Joe Shmoe is alowed to carry his gun to work.
I would prefer that nobody carry guns - but since criminals do, then I want to also have a chance to do so. Not everyone should have a gun (because they have no clue how to use one). Personally I think everyone should have to go through some kind of competancy training (sort of like drivers ed). I hear about murders happening all the time...rarely (maybe once or twice a year) do I hear of someone accidentally killing someone because they mis-handled their gun.
I have no obsession with owning a gun. I come from Israel - I have been surrounded by guns my entire life (my father and brother were in the military)....when I was young I hated guns - but there is a need for people to have them. Criminals will get guns if they want them- a law preventing people from getting them will only hinder the law abiding citizens - and those are the people i am not worried about.
And if you have been in a situation where people put a gun to your head and you were all alone, i am shocked that you do not feel the need to protect yourself. I would be much happier if the people who robbed me and have my ID would be dead or in jail right now - preferrably dead. Instead, they know my face and where I live.
The actual material in question is an inanimate object that can have millions of copies made. We are not worried about the physical destruction of it - cause hell we got more...we are concerned with the right of the copyright owner.
Under the fair use laws you are allowed to make a copy of your work for backing up purposes - and I would never argue that...I am discussing the downloading of copyright material when the copyright owners gave no such permission. In the case of allofMP3, they were letting people download this stuff without the proper licenses (in certain instances)...this is wrong.
I do not know where the issue with making your own backups came into play - and I appologize if I made such an inferrance.
To reiterate-- my stance:
Giving/selling away copies of copyright material without permission from the copyright holders is wrong
Backing up copyright material so you can keep it protected (lets assume the person is actually copying for this purpose) is just perfectly fine.
The other harm is that to the copyright owner. And guess what, you do not get to define it. Your notion of a work needing to be free for anyones use does not supersede the owner of the material and their desires.
All evidence does not point to the fact that copyright is harmfull to works. Maybe not everyone obeys the laws - but many people do. I have a friend who refuses to download dungeons and dragons pdf files because it is again the law...so at least in one person that i know of, it does work.
When some nameless, faceless, son-of-a-bitch slams a gun to the back of your head and says "give me your wallet or die" you will think otherwise. Especially when you are there, scared to hell and back hoping 1) you respond fast enough for the asshole and 2) the asshole does not get pissed because you didn't give him enough money.
My real life experience of being robbed at gun point - and having a pretty good idea that these criminals live less then a half mile from me stands to be very real and a lot more valid then your fear of me (or any other law abiding citizen) of owning a gun.
Watching the 10 o'clock news last night, there were *FIVE* (5) murders reported in philly. All of them for no apparant reason.
Do not dare attempt to demean my arguments and my feelings - especially since you seem to have ZERO clue about a real life and death situation involving this topic.
Try and run from a group of kids who are surrounding you with bats or knives - lets see how far you will get. ANd see how many people are willing to jump in and save you - you will find people are not up to getting involved for fear of their safety.
To me it is not a matter of the police not responding in time. In early February of 2005, I was held up at gun point (they ran up from behind me and slammed a gun to the back of my head). The police were not near me so these guys got away. I called the police and they showed up in less then 3 minutes (I live in center city Philly). They were very helpful - but it was too late. Going by the recommendation of four police officers (one being a police captain) they said if this should ever happen again, and if possible. Shoot the criminals - even in the back if i have to. And I hope if (god forbid) it does happen again, that I have the opportunity to remove such scum from the street.
BTW, this happend less then three blocks from where I live, and I think those who robbed me live nearby me - it is kind of scary now...and I live in an expensive area (houses go for 500k+).
I do not know about the stance that the police are under no obligation - as I recall one of their mottos is: "To serve and protect" but that doesn't mean that can read minds and be at a trouble spot waiting for the bad guys (don't we wish). Now if the police took an hour to get there (assuming the place is in reasonable distance of a police station) i might have problems with it, but otherwise - cops are only human.
Unrestricted? When I purchased my gun they took my license & SS# and ran a background check (it is an automated system that utilized your D/L and SS card). Then to get a carrying permit I had to file for one - in person - with three forms of ID and it took exactly (as they said it would) three months to get the carrying permit. Now that is in PA...I know in CA they require you to take a training course in gun safety (unless you are in the military, or law enforcement agency). So what is this unrestricted you are talking about?
Kids manhandling their daddys gun and shooting themselves is strictly the fault of the parent - and should not hinder the rest of society. Lock up the freaking gun - they pretty much all come with safety locks. Suicides will kill themselves in a manner of different ways - gun is just easier - but if someone wants to die, nothing can stop them.
The occasional nutjob - how did he get that gun? Legally or illegally?
My gun has another reason to exist - i like to go to the shooting range, it's fun. My friend likes to go hunting pheasant once a year (he does eat them). And, for protection - sorry I am not such a good fighter that I can fend off 2-5 people with bats and knives...however, i am an excellent shot and my 8 bullets can stop 2-5 people quite easily.
And this "screwed up notion" of defending myself comes up because I do not have a police officer next to me at every moment of my life. A police officer does little good to defend my life if he is not there.
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they said they can. They said they won't.
/. from work?). In the end, there is always going to be someone with unrestricted access to the data.
How many of us can hack into banking websites, gov't websites, and other high value and sensitive areas...then, how many those actually do it?
Just because something can be done does not mean it will be done. They were being very honest "we can do this" --- well duh...so can anyone who knows how to hack.
Now I would not send sensitive security data over AIM, in case of a potential hacker (especially on a regular basis) but I do not think it is AIM who is doing it...with the exception of a potential rogue employee. While this is unfortunate, it is hard to control every single persons every single action while at work (how many of you are posting on
I do not think AOL is being evil at this point - the fact that they are providing AIM for free to the masses is very generous of them - especially for those people who do not use the actual aim client and get the no-advertisement usage.
until that free service is changed to a pay service. It tends to go that route...the little guy comes up and says "hey look you can have this wonderful product for free. It offers the same as the pay guy, but it's free, and since we are small we will give you extra attention".... and then they start to charge.
Nothing wrong with it---someone has to pay for the web design, bandwidth, advertising, research, document, writing, etc. This stuff costs money and it is going to be paid by the creators (I doubt they want to do this), advertisers (which makes the creators have to appease the advertisers), or by us.
yea, using a laptop in the bathroom stall - I just don't see that happening. Sides I never buy the paper, i just find someone who was kind enough to leave theirs behind... hmm maybe someone will be kind enough to leave their laptop behind in the bathroom stall :)
Nothing wrong with patents in my mind, not even software patents (while some say it is just math formulas, it is more then that...i.e. Counterstrike is more then just a math formula).
Or as the saying goes "The whole is greater then the sum of all of its parts."
My problem is that the patent office needs to be fixed. They need to realize what is going on - and have specialists (if they do, they are not doing their job properly).
No such thing as bad PR. If we had such an organization, every little company would want to get on that negative list because it would give the double advertisement. In the end, people will rmemeber the company name - not what they did.
I am still in shock with those figures... 77 million? Jesus, I would be happy to do their financial accounting for 1% of that every year.
Hey idiots at Nasa - yea you dumbnuts - give me a job - pay me 1% of that 77 million and I will have your financing done.
Jesus, I want to be a gov't contractor.
starship voyager. It's discontinued mission, to seek and find a new job...To boldly go where everyman in the unemployment line has gone before.
bwahahahah.
For those that couldn't tell:
Bully = SCO
You = Linux
Old bully = IBM?
Big Brother = Courts
Creep = Billy G
Crappy Bike = Windows
"even some people" = Bunch of people from computer community
"Your friends" = Us
It gave publicity to Linux - which is a good thing. Think of it as free advertisement. So yes it is a good thing....to say it would have happend either way is kind of presumptuous. Without all of this publicity, chances are the status quo would have stayed the same for a long time and by then we can't really speculate (at least I admit that I can't) if Linux would have gained a good boost or dropped like a rock in water.
Remember, the best product (not saying Linux is or isn't) doesn't always make it to the top.
At least in PA, getting your gun from anywhere other then a gun shop (which includes valid transfers) or the gov't (i.e. police force) is illegal. So if I give my brother my gun (without going through a gun transfer protocol) then he is carrying a weapon illegally - especially if he does not have a carrying permit.
I would change. Sifting through all the music, finding a decent quality track, d/ling, etc can be a pain in the neck...my time is worth more then 5 cents per song. So yes I would.
Now I do think there are many people with my mindset, but I definitly do realize there are people out there who would find it difficult to pay 1 cent per song - or even 1 cent per CD!!! Why? Because people are cheap, want to get something for nothing, and people want to be "rebels".
If this price happened, I would say that it is the step in the RIGHT direction...in fact, at 5 cents per song (assuming no other strings attached) I would say that this is the nail that should shut the coffin and nobody could have a reasonable excuse as to why they are pirating instead of paying for the music.
We are just getting, royally, ripped off by the gov't contractors that NASA is forced to use. The amount that these companies are charging us for parts is astronomical (no pun intended). If it wasn't for the regulations of gov't spending and gov't contracts - we would be so much better off - and companies like Lockheed Martin & Boeing wouldn't be able to rip us off.
Blame the politicians on this one - not the scientists.
But then again, when has anyone considered 'rocket scientist' to be a synonymn for 'intelligent engineer'?
:(
I went out with a rocket scientist once - she was hot too...sigh, wish I was still going out with her too
As I said, when four police officers said that I should do it, and that as long as the guy had a gun on him, then no judge would fault me. You are correct though, when the gun is pointed at you do what they want and pray....when it is no longer pointed at you shoot to kill. I did, in those moments, think I was going to die - but I was smart/lucky enough not to do anything to provoke them. When someone has a gun touching the back of your head- you are kinda screwed --- the movies be damned.
Guess a few mods on here don't know what the Funny mod is supposed to be used for.
Actually, it won't be /. worthy news until it is posted, reposted, and reposted again - all in the same day.
You call that violent? I want to throw her down the stairs, and split her head open WHILE she is alive. Bitch should have known not to ask me for more money then we agreed to ;)
If you have your gun, will you 1) turn around, grab your gun, arm it, aim and fire fast enough for the asshole who had the gun on the back of your head ready to shoot and 2) not hit an innocent bystander?
1)Gun is already armed and I will shoot him when he turns around to leave. No I do not think I am so quick as to be faster then his trigger.
2) Criminals tend to rob people with little to no witnesses around. During the whole event, one person walked by us - and quickly ran when he saw what happend. That and I have never missed a target (moving or stationary) in my entire life - and I have shot quite a few weapons ranging from pistals to fully auto-m60's (I was in army rotc)
Sorry, but I don't get this. People aren't even responsible enough to use their fucking flashers when they change lane. They drive in snow storm like on a racetrack. You want them to cary guns? I'm very happy to live in a place where we are not so obsessed with the concept of owning guns and shooting everything. I also find stupid those who think passing laws against guns will prevent criminals from having guns. However, I see only more risks, accidents and murders if Joe Shmoe is alowed to carry his gun to work.
I would prefer that nobody carry guns - but since criminals do, then I want to also have a chance to do so. Not everyone should have a gun (because they have no clue how to use one). Personally I think everyone should have to go through some kind of competancy training (sort of like drivers ed). I hear about murders happening all the time...rarely (maybe once or twice a year) do I hear of someone accidentally killing someone because they mis-handled their gun.
I have no obsession with owning a gun. I come from Israel - I have been surrounded by guns my entire life (my father and brother were in the military)....when I was young I hated guns - but there is a need for people to have them. Criminals will get guns if they want them- a law preventing people from getting them will only hinder the law abiding citizens - and those are the people i am not worried about.
And if you have been in a situation where people put a gun to your head and you were all alone, i am shocked that you do not feel the need to protect yourself. I would be much happier if the people who robbed me and have my ID would be dead or in jail right now - preferrably dead. Instead, they know my face and where I live.
The actual material in question is an inanimate object that can have millions of copies made. We are not worried about the physical destruction of it - cause hell we got more...we are concerned with the right of the copyright owner.
Under the fair use laws you are allowed to make a copy of your work for backing up purposes - and I would never argue that...I am discussing the downloading of copyright material when the copyright owners gave no such permission. In the case of allofMP3, they were letting people download this stuff without the proper licenses (in certain instances)...this is wrong.
I do not know where the issue with making your own backups came into play - and I appologize if I made such an inferrance.
To reiterate-- my stance:
Giving/selling away copies of copyright material without permission from the copyright holders is wrong
Backing up copyright material so you can keep it protected (lets assume the person is actually copying for this purpose) is just perfectly fine.
The other harm is that to the copyright owner. And guess what, you do not get to define it. Your notion of a work needing to be free for anyones use does not supersede the owner of the material and their desires.
All evidence does not point to the fact that copyright is harmfull to works. Maybe not everyone obeys the laws - but many people do. I have a friend who refuses to download dungeons and dragons pdf files because it is again the law...so at least in one person that i know of, it does work.
When some nameless, faceless, son-of-a-bitch slams a gun to the back of your head and says "give me your wallet or die" you will think otherwise. Especially when you are there, scared to hell and back hoping 1) you respond fast enough for the asshole and 2) the asshole does not get pissed because you didn't give him enough money.
My real life experience of being robbed at gun point - and having a pretty good idea that these criminals live less then a half mile from me stands to be very real and a lot more valid then your fear of me (or any other law abiding citizen) of owning a gun.
Watching the 10 o'clock news last night, there were *FIVE* (5) murders reported in philly. All of them for no apparant reason.
Do not dare attempt to demean my arguments and my feelings - especially since you seem to have ZERO clue about a real life and death situation involving this topic.
Try and run from a group of kids who are surrounding you with bats or knives - lets see how far you will get. ANd see how many people are willing to jump in and save you - you will find people are not up to getting involved for fear of their safety.
To me it is not a matter of the police not responding in time. In early February of 2005, I was held up at gun point (they ran up from behind me and slammed a gun to the back of my head). The police were not near me so these guys got away. I called the police and they showed up in less then 3 minutes (I live in center city Philly). They were very helpful - but it was too late. Going by the recommendation of four police officers (one being a police captain) they said if this should ever happen again, and if possible. Shoot the criminals - even in the back if i have to. And I hope if (god forbid) it does happen again, that I have the opportunity to remove such scum from the street.
BTW, this happend less then three blocks from where I live, and I think those who robbed me live nearby me - it is kind of scary now...and I live in an expensive area (houses go for 500k+).
I do not know about the stance that the police are under no obligation - as I recall one of their mottos is: "To serve and protect" but that doesn't mean that can read minds and be at a trouble spot waiting for the bad guys (don't we wish). Now if the police took an hour to get there (assuming the place is in reasonable distance of a police station) i might have problems with it, but otherwise - cops are only human.
i like playing here - it is so much fun to play with trolls - kind of cute in a perverse sort of way. So how would you define it?
Unrestricted? When I purchased my gun they took my license & SS# and ran a background check (it is an automated system that utilized your D/L and SS card). Then to get a carrying permit I had to file for one - in person - with three forms of ID and it took exactly (as they said it would) three months to get the carrying permit. Now that is in PA...I know in CA they require you to take a training course in gun safety (unless you are in the military, or law enforcement agency). So what is this unrestricted you are talking about?
Kids manhandling their daddys gun and shooting themselves is strictly the fault of the parent - and should not hinder the rest of society. Lock up the freaking gun - they pretty much all come with safety locks. Suicides will kill themselves in a manner of different ways - gun is just easier - but if someone wants to die, nothing can stop them.
The occasional nutjob - how did he get that gun? Legally or illegally?
My gun has another reason to exist - i like to go to the shooting range, it's fun. My friend likes to go hunting pheasant once a year (he does eat them). And, for protection - sorry I am not such a good fighter that I can fend off 2-5 people with bats and knives...however, i am an excellent shot and my 8 bullets can stop 2-5 people quite easily.
And this "screwed up notion" of defending myself comes up because I do not have a police officer next to me at every moment of my life. A police officer does little good to defend my life if he is not there.
Your walking down the street - someone walks up to you with a knife.
Your walking down the street - a group of people walk up to you and decide they want to see what a gang bang feels like.
Your in your home and a burgler comes in
At least with a gun you can defend yourself.