Totally agree with you. Even worse is, if things like this continue, the next few generations will grow up with the "Anything you -can- actualy do, is fair game" mentality. Kids will learn that if people are not actively trying to stop them from doing something, its fine to do it. Chaos incoming.
Hmm, are we talking about the same VB.NET? I'm a C# programmer myself, not VB.NET (though I did do VB.NET for a year or so), but VB.NET is only VB in syntax.. its definately not the RAD tool VB6 used to be.
In its simplest form, you could say its Java with VB keyword and a bit of syntax sugar. You won't shoot yourself in the foot any more quickly than you would in any other language commonly used in multi-tier development (Java, C#, and so on).
I only quickly looked at Python, but aside maybe for the GUI part, how is it harder to hack up some garbage than it would be in a.NET language?
The way you're developing apps has little to do with Ajax, and more with using the correct design... Any half decent application (not just web apps...ANY APPS, aside for very specialized stuff, and even then) should be like that... separating everything so that the front end and the back end (and the data access layer, and the security, and the validation, and...and...and...) are separated, so that you know exactly where any problems are, how to fix them, that fixing them usualy won't break anything else (unless a structural change is made, obviously), and so on.
Its just...the tried, tested and true way of doing thing, ajax or not:)
Assuming what has been copy pasted from the white paper in other posts is true...
The recording literaly never leaves your computer. Its client side, generating statistics (which can't be used to recreate the recorded data) and then sending the statistics, not the sounds.
So basicaly, they're not recording anything. Your computer records stuff, makes a graph (or whatever they use) out of it, and send the -graph- back. Thats very, very different. (then again people flipped when WoW had that tool that would, client side, check for softwares you used, and send back an alarm, and nothing else, if an illicit tool was being used...its similar to this, so if people flipped back then knowing that, they'll flip on this too...).
Still important to see the difference. No audio is being sent back home.
If it was a matter of "The big companies pay" vs "The customer pay", there would actualy be point for debate with different opinions that are all worth thinking over.
The issue at hand here, is that its "The customer pay" vs "The customer pay AND the big companies pay"..
My guess is that the ASP.NET features of this thing are similar to the Dreamweaver's snippets (I didn't use Dreamweaver since the the original MX, so bear with me if that changed). Its to prototype stuff, or to use in very simple scenarios.
A possible use of this tool is for a designer, who makes the page, then give it to an ASP.NET programmer to plug in with the other tiers of the application (business logic, DAL, and so on). One use of being able to add the server controls, would be for the designer to use the asp.net server controls instead of generic textboxes, and so on, so that the programmer won't have to replace them, for example. In other words, its simply there as a "just in case you happen to need it, but its unlikely" deal, which seems to fall straight in line with the purpose of this application in a web app development cycle.
To confirm what you seem to imply, indeed, seeing this tool as an ASP.NET tool is silly, and I have issues understanding why so many comments on this article seems to see this tool that way. Really, anyone who thinks any ASP.NET programmer will be using this to plug the backend code in their application, have absolutely no clue how an ASP.NET workflow goes.
Just an aside: given such a codebase, no software tool helps you start understanding it better than a stack of printouts, a pencil, and a big conference table.
Really? Could have fooled me.
"I wonder what method Foo does...::types Foo:: Oh, there is a paragraph of explaination in a pop up. Hmm, now what about all these parameters...::opens the parenthesis:: Oh! look at that! And geez, I wish I could get some examples...::hit F1::. Oh! There they are"
Visual Studio strives DESPITE windows. Many people use it for things other than writing windows applications. More people would use it if it worked under other OSes [e.g. port it to Qt]
Unlikely. As far as I can tell, all but the fanciest versions of visual studio (like team system) are sold and/or given at a loss, because the developers who use it drives windows sales to recoup the money. Visual Studio at a price that would allow it to be sold at a profit, probably wouldn't be worth snatching over competing IDEs. Thats just a guess though.
Not really. In this case, its Microsoft fixing a mistake (the mistake being IE6).
IE6 is holding the internet back. This -has- to be done. The faster the pool of IE user upgrade their browser, the faster we can push our web sites forward. IE7 isn't enough, mind you, but it is a start.
When i saw this headline, I was like "WOOHOO!", because I can expect my customers (which all use Windows XP or Linux), to -all- have IE7 or Firefox. So, I can ditch IE6 support in a matter of weeks. Thats a blessing.
I don't know about the final release, but many many many people went back and forth ie7 and ie6 during the beta, myself included. It has a cute little uninstaller that brings your configuration straight back like it used to be, so you don't even have to repatch or anything like that. Works like a charm. Don't know why they wouldn't have that functionality in release, so yes, there should be an easy way.
I agree with you, but pricing/licensing IS not an issue. SQL Server 2005 Express is free. Limited to 1 CPU and 4 gigs databases, mind you, but if you need more than that as a teaching tool, I wanna know what the hell you're learning:)
Not quite, there's method in the madness. A company that does not market their product by the hardware (well, the hardware in the console anyway) as an important part of their plan can fake it all they want, thats not what they're trying to market in the first place: considering a cheap bargin bin computer could easily outpower it, it is irrelevent. If they had faked the controler, it would be something else.
As opposed to Sony that has almost (saying 100% would be lying) fully marketed their console with the hardware specs alone.
In the same way, of it was found that Sony faked the hardware of their controlers somehow... no one would give a s... (well, maybe -now- they would just because its one more drop in the bucket... but in a normal scenario, no)
No one cares about nintendo using faked boxes simply because no one will buy the Wii for whats inside the console, or outside for that matter.
A company could review the software, give it a trusted mark...then digitaly sign it...
then we could...I dont know...implement something at the processor level, so that only software with the trust mark could be executed...then we could have something called...hrm...
name out of my head...trusted computing! Brilliant!
Err...oh boy...wait a minute...
The anti-apple prejudices will go away, but it will take time... For a lot of us, Mac OS 9 was really awful...yet from the little I had the chance to play with OS X(not that much...but chances if I spent more time it would get better), I was delightfully impressed...and if I had money Id get a Mac right here right now.
its the kind of same thing that happened with Windows, from Win9x to WinNT5+...it doesnt crash that much anymore, but its still suffering from the bad experiences of the old days... Mac's reputation will recover, probably faster...
Exactly the point i was trying to make...I meant that I was an exception, in the same way for some people getting a pocket PC for a MP3 player is better, but thats not the case for the majority...thus the success of the Ipod and the like.
Technicaly...same reason it was cheaper for me to hook up my computer with a TV-out card, than buying even the cheapest DVD-player.
I like having everything and the kitchen sink on the same appliance...most people dont want their toaster to connect to the internet... They like tools focused on particular job...
Gameboy for game, Ipod for music, watch for time, etc.
To each his or her own.
the best solution I found so far is to have a password protected file on a PDA, that then contains my passwords...just make sure said file has the correct protections in case I lose said PDA...its not perfect, but its better, I suppose...
It works a little like fitness centers and stuff... A lot of ISPs not only oversubscribe their IP range, they even oversubscribe their bandwith and the like... When I worked as a tech support monkey, we were quickly told that a -huge- (enough to make anyone on slashdot say "WTF?!") fraction of the subscribers barely use their internet access...
hell, I even remember a customers who had called to get his connection setup...he was paying extra for the "super speed super bandwith" package that was almost 100$ (canadian, mind you) a month, for 3 years and never even had a network adaptor of any kind to use it until then... And its a common story... And cable to some extent yes...but a lot of xDSL, on pppoe, are definately not always on, even if the physical link is always there.
And its pretty close to instant...in huge ISP, have 2 connections (a dialup or whatsnot?) at the same time...disconnect from PPPOE, and wait about 5 seconds, then ping your old IP of your xDSL...Chances are good it has already been reasigned... Messed me up once when our company's router had reseted without me knowing, and tried to access the router from outside by IP, and ended up on the -exact same router model, but from a different person-, cuz the IP had been reasigned...how long did it take me to realise why my password wasn't working...I felt so dumb.
For your roadrunner...yes, many cables ISPs are like that...and rarely change the IPs...you have a point. Might as well give you a static. Though the fact that a huge portion of their customers dont use their connection at all, is still a fact.
not to be devil's advocate, but to some extent, (read: to some extent. You do raise a good point), it doesn't truly have to be... A lot of people (me included), use their computers for something else than productivity (read: for fun), and this would definately be a killer app for people like me ( and I'm still a software engineer, work on computers professionaly, too, but I'm still always in front of it, be it for work or not).
That being said, something like this has enough "cool factor" to make me boot in Linux from Windows more often...so it cannot hurt.
Oh, and in its current state, it actualy -is- an app...its not a true Windows manager, you have to run it like any other program, it just happen to be a full screen one that looks like a windows manager, act like a windows manager...but its not one, so to speak. They plan on making it one(unless its already done...)
Yes, it seems rather awful compared to the Zaurus and the like...but it depends where they plan on selling these, too... Its hard to tell if they are going to be better or not than Win Mobile's pocket pcs, different processors, different optimisations, different drivers, etc...but comparing to the zaurus...it depends...
It does seem worse...but...Sharp doesn't really market their zaurus everywhere... For exemple, I can't get one in Canada without importing from the US...rather awkward, and makes the device quite expensive, unless I get my fiance in Pittsburgh to get it for me from Amazon (who will not take international cards for it, might I add).
Heck...the Zaurus models sold in the US, are rather pathetic compared to the C860, for exemple...
So it definately depends how/where/when/what it will be marketed, before we can tell if there's going to be a market.
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Totally agree with you. Even worse is, if things like this continue, the next few generations will grow up with the "Anything you -can- actualy do, is fair game" mentality. Kids will learn that if people are not actively trying to stop them from doing something, its fine to do it. Chaos incoming.
Hmm, are we talking about the same VB.NET? I'm a C# programmer myself, not VB.NET (though I did do VB.NET for a year or so), but VB.NET is only VB in syntax.. its definately not the RAD tool VB6 used to be. In its simplest form, you could say its Java with VB keyword and a bit of syntax sugar. You won't shoot yourself in the foot any more quickly than you would in any other language commonly used in multi-tier development (Java, C#, and so on). I only quickly looked at Python, but aside maybe for the GUI part, how is it harder to hack up some garbage than it would be in a .NET language?
The way you're developing apps has little to do with Ajax, and more with using the correct design... Any half decent application (not just web apps...ANY APPS, aside for very specialized stuff, and even then) should be like that... separating everything so that the front end and the back end (and the data access layer, and the security, and the validation, and...and...and...) are separated, so that you know exactly where any problems are, how to fix them, that fixing them usualy won't break anything else (unless a structural change is made, obviously), and so on.
:)
Its just...the tried, tested and true way of doing thing, ajax or not
Assuming what has been copy pasted from the white paper in other posts is true... The recording literaly never leaves your computer. Its client side, generating statistics (which can't be used to recreate the recorded data) and then sending the statistics, not the sounds.
So basicaly, they're not recording anything. Your computer records stuff, makes a graph (or whatever they use) out of it, and send the -graph- back. Thats very, very different. (then again people flipped when WoW had that tool that would, client side, check for softwares you used, and send back an alarm, and nothing else, if an illicit tool was being used...its similar to this, so if people flipped back then knowing that, they'll flip on this too...).
Still important to see the difference. No audio is being sent back home.
Bingo, you got it. What this would do, is turn the internet as a whole (progressively) into AOL.
If it was a matter of "The big companies pay" vs "The customer pay", there would actualy be point for debate with different opinions that are all worth thinking over.
The issue at hand here, is that its "The customer pay" vs "The customer pay AND the big companies pay"..
Thats not quite as fun.
My guess is that the ASP.NET features of this thing are similar to the Dreamweaver's snippets (I didn't use Dreamweaver since the the original MX, so bear with me if that changed). Its to prototype stuff, or to use in very simple scenarios. A possible use of this tool is for a designer, who makes the page, then give it to an ASP.NET programmer to plug in with the other tiers of the application (business logic, DAL, and so on). One use of being able to add the server controls, would be for the designer to use the asp.net server controls instead of generic textboxes, and so on, so that the programmer won't have to replace them, for example. In other words, its simply there as a "just in case you happen to need it, but its unlikely" deal, which seems to fall straight in line with the purpose of this application in a web app development cycle.
To confirm what you seem to imply, indeed, seeing this tool as an ASP.NET tool is silly, and I have issues understanding why so many comments on this article seems to see this tool that way. Really, anyone who thinks any ASP.NET programmer will be using this to plug the backend code in their application, have absolutely no clue how an ASP.NET workflow goes.
Really? Could have fooled me. "I wonder what method Foo does...
Yeah, all these tools really don't help.
There is MonoDevelop, I guess. I'm a VS2005 guy myself, though.
Unlikely. As far as I can tell, all but the fanciest versions of visual studio (like team system) are sold and/or given at a loss, because the developers who use it drives windows sales to recoup the money. Visual Studio at a price that would allow it to be sold at a profit, probably wouldn't be worth snatching over competing IDEs. Thats just a guess though.
Not quite. Some of us are trying to do business, not politics.
Not really. In this case, its Microsoft fixing a mistake (the mistake being IE6).
IE6 is holding the internet back. This -has- to be done. The faster the pool of IE user upgrade their browser, the faster we can push our web sites forward. IE7 isn't enough, mind you, but it is a start.
When i saw this headline, I was like "WOOHOO!", because I can expect my customers (which all use Windows XP or Linux), to -all- have IE7 or Firefox. So, I can ditch IE6 support in a matter of weeks. Thats a blessing.
I don't know about the final release, but many many many people went back and forth ie7 and ie6 during the beta, myself included. It has a cute little uninstaller that brings your configuration straight back like it used to be, so you don't even have to repatch or anything like that. Works like a charm. Don't know why they wouldn't have that functionality in release, so yes, there should be an easy way.
I agree with you, but pricing/licensing IS not an issue. SQL Server 2005 Express is free. Limited to 1 CPU and 4 gigs databases, mind you, but if you need more than that as a teaching tool, I wanna know what the hell you're learning :)
Not quite, there's method in the madness. A company that does not market their product by the hardware (well, the hardware in the console anyway) as an important part of their plan can fake it all they want, thats not what they're trying to market in the first place: considering a cheap bargin bin computer could easily outpower it, it is irrelevent. If they had faked the controler, it would be something else.
As opposed to Sony that has almost (saying 100% would be lying) fully marketed their console with the hardware specs alone.
In the same way, of it was found that Sony faked the hardware of their controlers somehow... no one would give a s... (well, maybe -now- they would just because its one more drop in the bucket... but in a normal scenario, no)
No one cares about nintendo using faked boxes simply because no one will buy the Wii for whats inside the console, or outside for that matter.
Meh...this is going to hurt my karma...but I can't help it... Day 5: ??? Day 6: Profit.. ::sighs:: I feel like such a sheep having written this...
A company could review the software, give it a trusted mark...then digitaly sign it... then we could...I dont know...implement something at the processor level, so that only software with the trust mark could be executed...then we could have something called...hrm... name out of my head...trusted computing! Brilliant! Err...oh boy...wait a minute...
The anti-apple prejudices will go away, but it will take time... For a lot of us, Mac OS 9 was really awful...yet from the little I had the chance to play with OS X(not that much...but chances if I spent more time it would get better), I was delightfully impressed...and if I had money Id get a Mac right here right now. its the kind of same thing that happened with Windows, from Win9x to WinNT5+...it doesnt crash that much anymore, but its still suffering from the bad experiences of the old days... Mac's reputation will recover, probably faster...
Exactly the point i was trying to make...I meant that I was an exception, in the same way for some people getting a pocket PC for a MP3 player is better, but thats not the case for the majority...thus the success of the Ipod and the like.
Oh, and if anyone find a GPRS enabled toaster (bluetooth compatible with a T68i will do too), tell me.
Technicaly...same reason it was cheaper for me to hook up my computer with a TV-out card, than buying even the cheapest DVD-player. I like having everything and the kitchen sink on the same appliance...most people dont want their toaster to connect to the internet... They like tools focused on particular job... Gameboy for game, Ipod for music, watch for time, etc. To each his or her own.
the best solution I found so far is to have a password protected file on a PDA, that then contains my passwords...just make sure said file has the correct protections in case I lose said PDA...its not perfect, but its better, I suppose...
It works a little like fitness centers and stuff... A lot of ISPs not only oversubscribe their IP range, they even oversubscribe their bandwith and the like... When I worked as a tech support monkey, we were quickly told that a -huge- (enough to make anyone on slashdot say "WTF?!") fraction of the subscribers barely use their internet access...
hell, I even remember a customers who had called to get his connection setup...he was paying extra for the "super speed super bandwith" package that was almost 100$ (canadian, mind you) a month, for 3 years and never even had a network adaptor of any kind to use it until then... And its a common story... And cable to some extent yes...but a lot of xDSL, on pppoe, are definately not always on, even if the physical link is always there.
And its pretty close to instant...in huge ISP, have 2 connections (a dialup or whatsnot?) at the same time...disconnect from PPPOE, and wait about 5 seconds, then ping your old IP of your xDSL...Chances are good it has already been reasigned... Messed me up once when our company's router had reseted without me knowing, and tried to access the router from outside by IP, and ended up on the -exact same router model, but from a different person-, cuz the IP had been reasigned...how long did it take me to realise why my password wasn't working...I felt so dumb.
For your roadrunner...yes, many cables ISPs are like that...and rarely change the IPs...you have a point. Might as well give you a static. Though the fact that a huge portion of their customers dont use their connection at all, is still a fact.
not to be devil's advocate, but to some extent, (read: to some extent. You do raise a good point), it doesn't truly have to be... A lot of people (me included), use their computers for something else than productivity (read: for fun), and this would definately be a killer app for people like me ( and I'm still a software engineer, work on computers professionaly, too, but I'm still always in front of it, be it for work or not).
That being said, something like this has enough "cool factor" to make me boot in Linux from Windows more often...so it cannot hurt.
Oh, and in its current state, it actualy -is- an app...its not a true Windows manager, you have to run it like any other program, it just happen to be a full screen one that looks like a windows manager, act like a windows manager...but its not one, so to speak. They plan on making it one(unless its already done...)
Yes, it seems rather awful compared to the Zaurus and the like...but it depends where they plan on selling these, too... Its hard to tell if they are going to be better or not than Win Mobile's pocket pcs, different processors, different optimisations, different drivers, etc...but comparing to the zaurus...it depends... It does seem worse...but...Sharp doesn't really market their zaurus everywhere... For exemple, I can't get one in Canada without importing from the US...rather awkward, and makes the device quite expensive, unless I get my fiance in Pittsburgh to get it for me from Amazon (who will not take international cards for it, might I add). Heck...the Zaurus models sold in the US, are rather pathetic compared to the C860, for exemple... So it definately depends how/where/when/what it will be marketed, before we can tell if there's going to be a market.