Well, if you're going to start talking about the embedded market in a broad sense, then most of the computers in the world are still 4-bit. In second place are computers that are 8-bit.
The simple 'multipler effect' of the number of 4 and 8-bit processors that are sold just to support all the 32 bit processors out there (there's nary a 32 bit system sold that doesn't have multiple 4 and 8 bit chips built into it also) means the big wide-byte systems will never catch up.
However, I don't think this discussion is about embedded processors.
IBM is a Business Machine company. In the past, they've manufactured and sold Time Clocks, Photocopiers, Typewriters, etc. They even sold a lot of 'electronic data processing' equipment before computers were common (card punches, sorters, line printers that would print selected punched card fields, etc.) They sell a lot of computers, but they are more than a computer company.
Tolkien will never get his due because of the genre in which he published
I would hazard to rephrase that: "Tolkein will never get his due because the parasites who created a 'genre' based on the success of his masterpiece have mucked things up so badly."
I sold a 1960's vintage boxed set of the LOTR trilogy on eBay last month. There are only three volumes. Where the heck did you come up with "I've read 5 of the six?"
And to be acurate, it's not even a trilogy. It's a three-volume single work.
One is pure source code. You pore over it with your eyes and render the graphics using the most powerful 3-D rendering engine in the known universe, a human brain.
The other one is a recording of someone's crude machine rendering of a cut-back release of the source code.
Much less expensive fuel, but you have to ship it back to Apple to get it refueled, or hire a technician to do it for you.
Easier to fly, but you've gotta buy 'Approved for Schwinn' parts for it (remember the Schwinn snobs back when we were all riding around on our Huffys as kids?) which are expensive far beyond their somewhat-higher-than-the-cheapest-available quality. Definitely NOT cheap to maintain.
It's my understanding that there was an 8085 processor in the earlier Mars Rover from a number of years back.
The 8085 is in my TRS-80 Model 100. "So there's a Model 100 on Mars!" Whoo-hoo.
Of course, there are also probably pieces of wire in the Mars Rover that are the same brand wire as used in my Kenmore Washing Machine. Whoo-hoo, etc. etc. (ad nauseum)
Some of my PPC Macintoshes have a jumper that's taped over 'Warranty Void if Removed.' I think it's the Beige G3 boxes. Is that a clock multiplier jumper?
(would I void out the 'warranty' on the Beige G3 boxes, which I paid $15 apiece for?)
My brother in law has a 'Rocket Simulator' game that he runs on his fan-ridden Athlon machine. I asked him one time about the noise the game was making. He replied 'what do you mean? the speakers are unplugged.'
they'd still be a *lot* faster than comparable Intel.
Is the whole of existence still a titan 'Apple versus IBM (oops, Apple versus Microsoft now, isn't it?) struggle?
I can visualize two hundred years from now that there will be regular rockets, and Apple rockets, and still a few people left who refuse to embark to the moon base on the regular rockets, because of the 'Industrial Design' of the Apple rockets, which burn twice as much fuel.
That's true, if you're using Flash memory through a 'disk controller' interface where it's emulating disk memory. No such mechanism is designed into Flash when it's built into the memory map, unless your OS or application does it for you.
Who the hell are 'all users' who are not affected on a single user desktop machine?
The 'many users, single machine' concept is obsolete, except in cases of servers, where it's really a resource-sharing connecting point, not a true 'multi user' machine.
The new concept, at least for tech people, is 'many machines, single user' as in: KVM switch and a bunch of machines running various OSes and programs.
The UNIX multiuser concept is as obsolete as timesharing machines with big banks of dumb terminals connected through serial interfaces. Give it up.
Back in the 70's I used to want to firebomb 'Stereo Stores.' They were full of slick fascistic 'salesmen' who would sneer when I came in the store needing another goddamn connector off the pegboard display in the back. I knew more about what they were selling, but I wasn't a pimp-slime so they'd cop an attitude because I wasn't wearing a suit and didn't look like an ignorant beatnick-bearing 'intellectal' which made it obvious I wasn't going to buy their overpriced shit.
I've always since said 'fuck' to proprietary connectors that add nothing to the technology.
There was a big honking 'superior' video connector stuck on the back of Power Macs back in the late Nu-Bus era. Glad that one died and went away as well.
'Spammers' are the 'commies' of cyberspace. Shout 'spammer' and point at somebody and the whole room turns vigilant. They make handy scapegoats and excellent targets for the daily 'five minute hate' rally.
Just my making this comment will get people perking up and saying to themselves (and possibly openly in this forum) 'hmmm, so you're a spammer sympathizer, eh?'
Linus Torvalds is just a talented and very modest hacker who enjoys the Linux project. It's his personality that makes collaboration on the level that it exists even possible.
Quite a few of the other 'folks' who've crowded on the stage, i.e. Perens, Raymond, etc. are political gadflies. I suppose politics of the sort they promote is needed for some people. It's certainly not necessary to the success of Linux.
Perens and several other people 'at his level' in the FOSS 'movement' are rather full of themselves. They're the political gadflies. That sort of person is naturally attracted to a 'leadership position' in a 'movement' like Linux.
It's no coincidence that they're narcissistic enough to take it upon themselves to view anything negative as a 'threat' likely 'a conspiracy' against them.
You don't get power unless you can fan flames of paranoia and become a 'leader.'
'Anyone worth their while knows that Linux fans don't code anything.'
There. Full stop. The people writing code for Linux didn't have time to be fanboys. And the Linux fanboys who hoot and holler on forums like Slashdot likely don't code anything, anywhere.
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But it's so fash to use software with a version number less than 1.0.
Well, if you're going to start talking about the embedded market in a broad sense, then most of the computers in the world are still 4-bit. In second place are computers that are 8-bit.
The simple 'multipler effect' of the number of 4 and 8-bit processors that are sold just to support all the 32 bit processors out there (there's nary a 32 bit system sold that doesn't have multiple 4 and 8 bit chips built into it also) means the big wide-byte systems will never catch up.
However, I don't think this discussion is about embedded processors.
IBM is a Business Machine company. In the past, they've manufactured and sold Time Clocks, Photocopiers, Typewriters, etc. They even sold a lot of 'electronic data processing' equipment before computers were common (card punches, sorters, line printers that would print selected punched card fields, etc.) They sell a lot of computers, but they are more than a computer company.
The person who posed the question said CS/Engineering, and all you guys seem to have heard is 'IT'.
'IT' has as much to do with Computer Science/Engineering as the guy who changes the oil in your car has to do with Automotive Engineering.
It finally 'got to me' this far down in reading the comments. Sorry about that.
When I am reading fiction I almost always skip over the title pages. And I last read LOTR in 1974.
Tolkien will never get his due because of the genre in which he published
I would hazard to rephrase that: "Tolkein will never get his due because the parasites who created a 'genre' based on the success of his masterpiece have mucked things up so badly."
LOTR made the fantasy 'genre.'
I sold a 1960's vintage boxed set of the LOTR trilogy on eBay last month. There are only three volumes. Where the heck did you come up with "I've read 5 of the six?"
And to be acurate, it's not even a trilogy. It's a three-volume single work.
One is pure source code. You pore over it with your eyes and render the graphics using the most powerful 3-D rendering engine in the known universe, a human brain.
The other one is a recording of someone's crude machine rendering of a cut-back release of the source code.
I've picked which one I prefer.
Much less expensive fuel, but you have to ship it back to Apple to get it refueled, or hire a technician to do it for you.
Easier to fly, but you've gotta buy 'Approved for Schwinn' parts for it (remember the Schwinn snobs back when we were all riding around on our Huffys as kids?) which are expensive far beyond their somewhat-higher-than-the-cheapest-available quality. Definitely NOT cheap to maintain.
It's my understanding that there was an 8085 processor in the earlier Mars Rover from a number of years back.
The 8085 is in my TRS-80 Model 100. "So there's a Model 100 on Mars!" Whoo-hoo.
Of course, there are also probably pieces of wire in the Mars Rover that are the same brand wire as used in my Kenmore Washing Machine. Whoo-hoo, etc. etc.
(ad nauseum)
No. A lot of that money was spent the way it is buying vintage boat-anchor hardware on eBay: it went for 'shipping' costs.
Some of my PPC Macintoshes have a jumper that's taped over 'Warranty Void if Removed.' I think it's the Beige G3 boxes. Is that a clock multiplier jumper?
(would I void out the 'warranty' on the Beige G3 boxes, which I paid $15 apiece for?)
My brother in law has a 'Rocket Simulator' game that he runs on his fan-ridden Athlon machine. I asked him one time about the noise the game was making. He replied 'what do you mean? the speakers are unplugged.'
they'd still be a *lot* faster than comparable Intel.
Is the whole of existence still a titan 'Apple versus IBM (oops, Apple versus Microsoft now, isn't it?) struggle?
I can visualize two hundred years from now that there will be regular rockets, and Apple rockets, and still a few people left who refuse to embark to the moon base on the regular rockets, because of the 'Industrial Design' of the Apple rockets, which burn twice as much fuel.
Does Bill Gates really know anything bloated memory hogs like KDE and Gnome?
That's true, if you're using Flash memory through a 'disk controller' interface where it's emulating disk memory. No such mechanism is designed into Flash when it's built into the memory map, unless your OS or application does it for you.
I, for one, hope that won't be microsoft to choose what's good or bad ;)
Well, it will be, if everybody else just remains mired in 'ye old UNIX ways.'
Who the hell are 'all users' who are not affected on a single user desktop machine?
The 'many users, single machine' concept is obsolete, except in cases of servers, where it's really a resource-sharing connecting point, not a true 'multi user' machine.
The new concept, at least for tech people, is 'many machines, single user' as in: KVM switch and a bunch of machines running various OSes and programs.
The UNIX multiuser concept is as obsolete as timesharing machines with big banks of dumb terminals connected through serial interfaces. Give it up.
In short, why are PC compatibles such heaps of shit?
It's called 'open standards' and 'not every piece designed as one unified whole by a single vendor.'
Do you carp and whine that everybody should have one of those shit VCR/TV combos, too, because of the lack of dangling signal cords?
Back in the 70's I used to want to firebomb 'Stereo Stores.' They were full of slick fascistic 'salesmen' who would sneer when I came in the store needing another goddamn connector off the pegboard display in the back. I knew more about what they were selling, but I wasn't a pimp-slime so they'd cop an attitude because I wasn't wearing a suit and didn't look like an ignorant beatnick-bearing 'intellectal' which made it obvious I wasn't going to buy their overpriced shit.
I've always since said 'fuck' to proprietary connectors that add nothing to the technology.
There was a big honking 'superior' video connector stuck on the back of Power Macs back in the late Nu-Bus era. Glad that one died and went away as well.
Harumph.
99%+ of "commies" actually did nothing at all to harm anyone, and indeed were folks seeking a peaceful transition to an improved political system.
Similar in many regards to '99% of Scientologists.'
It's all in the eye of the beholder. I would hazard to say most spammers don't think they're doing anybody any harm, either.
'Spammers' are the 'commies' of cyberspace. Shout 'spammer' and point at somebody and the whole room turns vigilant. They make handy scapegoats and excellent targets for the daily 'five minute hate' rally.
Just my making this comment will get people perking up and saying to themselves (and possibly openly in this forum) 'hmmm, so you're a spammer sympathizer, eh?'
That should mean something.
Linus Torvalds is just a talented and very modest hacker who enjoys the Linux project. It's his personality that makes collaboration on the level that it exists even possible.
Quite a few of the other 'folks' who've crowded on the stage, i.e. Perens, Raymond, etc. are political gadflies. I suppose politics of the sort they promote is needed for some people. It's certainly not necessary to the success of Linux.
Perens and several other people 'at his level' in the FOSS 'movement' are rather full of themselves. They're the political gadflies. That sort of person is naturally attracted to a 'leadership position' in a 'movement' like Linux.
It's no coincidence that they're narcissistic enough to take it upon themselves to view anything negative as a 'threat' likely 'a conspiracy' against them.
You don't get power unless you can fan flames of paranoia and become a 'leader.'
You ran on a bit too long in that first sentence.
'Anyone worth their while knows that Linux fans don't code anything.'
There. Full stop. The people writing code for Linux didn't have time to be fanboys. And the Linux fanboys who hoot and holler on forums like Slashdot likely don't code anything, anywhere.