The point is that chances are that particular error didn't have a simple solution, so in that case you need the forum of geeks...
OTOH, KDE is perfectly capable of telling you that your disk is full, or your floppy write protected, and in plain language, but in quite a few cases, the solutions lie with the geeks...
As far as the direct office support is concerned, it isn't coming anytime soon, and I for one think that it'll be easier to brake office and then windows habits rather than the other way around.
OGo might be able to provide a solution for the second problem (with something equivalent to the Outlook plugin, but for all of 2003).
As to your comment about lack of features, the point is that OGo is exactly what it claims to be, ie a groupware server. For mail there's postfix, for internal messanger, jabber etc.... Whereas Exchange is like every other Microsoft app, ie a kitchen sink suite of applications (yes I know mozilla is like that too, which is why my mail is thunderbird and not mozilla mail).
I also, very begrudgingly take your point on the semantics, It's much easier to convince the boss that the server in the corner is worth it's salt if they think it's running Microsoft (Oh yes, that's the nice man who invited me to golf!), even if Samba is the only thing that will handle the strain.
(of course with KDE 3.3 one can also use less-like find with '/')
Is this serious? This is my only gripe with konqueror (that I'm putting up with for the moment): not being able to do less like searches in web pages....
Copy and past works between every appliation, it's just not ctrl-c ctrl-v, middle click does just fine.
As far as the fonts are concerned, I'd like to know what distro you're useing, just so that I don't recommend it by accident to anyone...
Gentoo, Slackware and Mandrake all render sweet out of the box.
Don't know for sure, but OOo and Gnome both use libfreetype, which is quite often compiled without aa (for patent reasons), that might be the problem (put it this way, I don't have it, my KDE is sweet:))
Exchange -> opengroupware
Active directory -> Samba 3 (with ldap on the backend)
I understand the Office complaints though, but IIRC OOo is getting opengroupware support in it's next implimentation
I beg to differ, I've installed Mandrake 9.2 for a friend, and everything worked out of the box, usb printer etc included, so I think that this is just a Suse problem like other posters have already stated.
Also, the 'have to muck around with settings all over the place that aren't in GUIs' isn't a Linux only problem, try getting XP to go through a nated ADSL connection, with out changing the mtu in the registry, and tell me about how yahoo mail refuses to load. Every OS has it's corner cases, so don't bash Linux for them cause XP isn't better.
I'm a Linux user because 'stuff just works' my network card worked out of the box, without even mucking around with driver floppys, it configured how I like it without question, and with out saying one thing and doing another (I speak from XPeriance with a clients laptop here).
My graphics/sound/network/mouse/printer drivers don't go screwy over night either, which I appreciate since I use my computer to get work done, not tinker endlessly with (though the occasional tinker is fun too).
As far as usb mice are concerned, I know someone who has one working sweet, but since I don't own such a beast I can't say much about that in particular. OTOH I'm beginning to have enough of people trashing Linux for problems similar to ones they just put up with silently in Windows.
There are technical solutions like PGP for those who are concerned about their mails being read.
Ehh, we're talking about google here, the NSA'S clusters a pocket calculators compared to what google can harness if it cares, and there aren't enough PGP'd mails around to avoid it being practicle. Just try to imagine the key size needed to hold google off for 6-8 months, let alone the 10-20 years needed for practical privacy.
The best solution is still code words, and plain text e-mails, like that you just slip through, avoiding the attention a crypted mail would attract
If they're using this as a test bed for a new computing platform, then they'll probably just let people loose on it. After all, if it can withstand/. it's probably bullet proof.
Also, google has got it's reputation through not tying options down.
I don't know about 10.0, but I've put 9.2s on a lot of machines (including Duron 900s, 128MB of ram, and never had a hitch, hell, even my PII 450 doesn't jump mp3s).
Have you checked that there isn't something else hogging the soundcard (like a modem for example), and that you are using the right drivers?
HTH
David
They are, their not on current affairs, he'd have a lot more chance going to M6, who'd jump on the possibility of telling us just how bad things have become.
Then again mabey they've changed, I haven't had a TV for seven years:).
I'll second that, though my stuff is traditional Celtic, but where I live, you go to an evening (called Fest-noz, or night party in Breton), and you've made half-dozen friends by 2am, generally of the opposite sex (you need a partner for quit a few of the dances after all).
It's not even a case of being a great dancer, or takeing someone home with you, it's just a case of doing something together, and having fun. And that's one of the first steps towards a social life.
If it's learning your interested in, and you have A) a reasonably powerful machine and B) Broadband, I recommend Gentoo, you have to do everything by keyboard, but the docs are just outstanding in clarity and logic.
I rest my case, while not very experienced at wxWindows, I've used Qt, gtk and the Microsoft MFC classes, and gtk and MFC left me running back to Qt. It's a completely different piece of kit. I might try GnuStep once it gets more complete, but for now, it's Qt all the way.
You're not a coder are you? none of your examples are in the same league as Qt, in either speed of developpement, ease of use, documentation or compleatness.
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Do you have anything to back this up? And what are the mods smoking today? We've got a AC Troll Hawk, quoting another Hawk, who gets +5 Insightful? Give me a brake...
Btw,/. is supposed to be on technical issues, not political rantings, that's what indymedia's for.
The UN really needs to be reformed (e.g., France out of the security council, Germany, Japan, and India in would be a better approximation of great powers; and of course countries without consensual governments should have no vote in the general assembly or be eligible to chair any committees)
Better still, no defense counsel and give the general assembly some real powers.
And as far as all this going on about the French is concerned, I think some people need to remember that the most Security Counsel vetoes are actually the Americains defending their personnal interests (notably Israel).
What distro are you using? or more importantly, what planet are you from?
OK, I use Slackware at home, so I have all the fun you're talking about, but when I install systems for people, I install Mandrake, and I have never had easier hardware installation (and yes, I have delt with XP systems).
A new printer? plug it in, turn it on, control center, click on printers, wait 30 secs, print a test page just to be sure....
Netcards are just as easy, turn the machine off (sniff, so long uptime, I new you well:-() plug the card in, turn machine on, the card gets detected at boot up, I'm asked wether to configure it automagically or manually (for static ips etc) and most of the time that's all there is too it.
I'm afraid your either misinformed, or trolling, because the hardware question has been well and truly delt with.
Linux still has some technical hurdles to overcome before being a Joe Sixpack desktop machine (some cups quirks come to mind, where if you print to a turned off printer, you can only print to it again, if you reset it in the cups web interface, and I know there are other problems), but this is just 3 year old FUD.
Read my post before replying, this is being done to kill off the competition. And your right, there is lots of competition in the media player area _at_the_moment_, but that there won't be if all (at least 95%) of online content is wmv, which is what will happen if nothing is done since the wm codecs come with the bundled media player on every machine.
That's the whole point of this ruling. It's got nothing to do with which program has the most bloat, or installs the most spyware. The point is that: A) Microsoft would never have the 40% market share it has now without bundling (which violates trust law since it's using your monopoly in one product space to gain a monopoly in another) and B) the bundled media player is also bundling the windows media codecs (again, exploiting monopoly to gain another, in this case in media distribution).
Now you may ask why is this bad?
Let's look at office suits (And I know that this one was won , more or less, fair and square). When MS Office came out, it was the cheap, and good quality. Now it's the defacto standard, MS has gotten everyone on an extremally expensive upgrade treadmil, where the formats are changed just enough each time to make upgrading a necessity to communicate with the rest of the world.
Another (extremally well trodden) example: IE When IE came out, it gained market share through being bundled, a lot of people didn't even know netscape existed. Now that the Browser War (?1, there might be a come back of the Lizard) is over, IE has been stagnating for years, with almost no significant improvement.
I'm going to bed now (1 o'clock here), so if you want to continue this off slashdot, please feel free to mail me.
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The point is that chances are that particular error didn't have a simple solution, so in that case you need the forum of geeks... OTOH, KDE is perfectly capable of telling you that your disk is full, or your floppy write protected, and in plain language, but in quite a few cases, the solutions lie with the geeks...
As far as the direct office support is concerned, it isn't coming anytime soon, and I for one think that it'll be easier to brake office and then windows habits rather than the other way around.
OGo might be able to provide a solution for the second problem (with something equivalent to the Outlook plugin, but for all of 2003).
As to your comment about lack of features, the point is that OGo is exactly what it claims to be, ie a groupware server. For mail there's postfix, for internal messanger, jabber etc.... Whereas Exchange is like every other Microsoft app, ie a kitchen sink suite of applications (yes I know mozilla is like that too, which is why my mail is thunderbird and not mozilla mail).
I also, very begrudgingly take your point on the semantics, It's much easier to convince the boss that the server in the corner is worth it's salt if they think it's running Microsoft (Oh yes, that's the nice man who invited me to golf!), even if Samba is the only thing that will handle the strain.
(of course with KDE 3.3 one can also use less-like find with '/')
Is this serious? This is my only gripe with konqueror (that I'm putting up with for the moment): not being able to do less like searches in web pages....
Copy and past works between every appliation, it's just not ctrl-c ctrl-v, middle click does just fine.
As far as the fonts are concerned, I'd like to know what distro you're useing, just so that I don't recommend it by accident to anyone...
Gentoo, Slackware and Mandrake all render sweet out of the box.
KDE Desktop sharing? Never needed it so I can't say what it's worth, but it sounds pretty much like what you need.
Don't know for sure, but OOo and Gnome both use libfreetype, which is quite often compiled without aa (for patent reasons), that might be the problem (put it this way, I don't have it, my KDE is sweet :))
Exchange -> opengroupware Active directory -> Samba 3 (with ldap on the backend) I understand the Office complaints though, but IIRC OOo is getting opengroupware support in it's next implimentation
It's called copyright, and it works very well thank you very much...
I beg to differ, I've installed Mandrake 9.2 for a friend, and everything worked out of the box, usb printer etc included, so I think that this is just a Suse problem like other posters have already stated.
Also, the 'have to muck around with settings all over the place that aren't in GUIs' isn't a Linux only problem, try getting XP to go through a nated ADSL connection, with out changing the mtu in the registry, and tell me about how yahoo mail refuses to load. Every OS has it's corner cases, so don't bash Linux for them cause XP isn't better.
I'm a Linux user because 'stuff just works' my network card worked out of the box, without even mucking around with driver floppys, it configured how I like it without question, and with out saying one thing and doing another (I speak from XPeriance with a clients laptop here).
My graphics/sound/network/mouse/printer drivers don't go screwy over night either, which I appreciate since I use my computer to get work done, not tinker endlessly with (though the occasional tinker is fun too).
As far as usb mice are concerned, I know someone who has one working sweet, but since I don't own such a beast I can't say much about that in particular. OTOH I'm beginning to have enough of people trashing Linux for problems similar to ones they just put up with silently in Windows.
Please stop the hypocrisy.
By the way, shouldn't that sig read:
AAAAA: Anti-Acronym Abuse Association of America ?
There are technical solutions like PGP for those who are concerned about their mails being read.
Ehh, we're talking about google here, the NSA'S clusters a pocket calculators compared to what google can harness if it cares, and there aren't enough PGP'd mails around to avoid it being practicle. Just try to imagine the key size needed to hold google off for 6-8 months, let alone the 10-20 years needed for practical privacy.
The best solution is still code words, and plain text e-mails, like that you just slip through, avoiding the attention a crypted mail would attract
If they're using this as a test bed for a new computing platform, then they'll probably just let people loose on it. After all, if it can withstand /. it's probably bullet proof.
Also, google has got it's reputation through not tying options down.
For a nice idea on how bands do under the current system, may I recommend this. A depressingly realistic view on the internels of a record contract.
I don't know about 10.0, but I've put 9.2s on a lot of machines (including Duron 900s, 128MB of ram, and never had a hitch, hell, even my PII 450 doesn't jump mp3s). Have you checked that there isn't something else hogging the soundcard (like a modem for example), and that you are using the right drivers? HTH David
They are, their not on current affairs, he'd have a lot more chance going to M6, who'd jump on the possibility of telling us just how bad things have become. Then again mabey they've changed, I haven't had a TV for seven years :).
I'll second that, though my stuff is traditional Celtic, but where I live, you go to an evening (called Fest-noz, or night party in Breton), and you've made half-dozen friends by 2am, generally of the opposite sex (you need a partner for quit a few of the dances after all). It's not even a case of being a great dancer, or takeing someone home with you, it's just a case of doing something together, and having fun. And that's one of the first steps towards a social life.
Great news from Paris, and to celebrate, I'll continue doing what I've been doing for quite a while:
Recommending Mandrake to all my friends (who usually download it) and to all the companies I consult for (who usually get powerpacks).
If it's learning your interested in, and you have A) a reasonably powerful machine and B) Broadband, I recommend Gentoo, you have to do everything by keyboard, but the docs are just outstanding in clarity and logic.
I suppose it's like the story about a thrush trying to put out a forest fire by scooping water up in it's beak and dropping it on the flames.
All the other animals just looked on, and one even went to the thrush and said:
'Hay, I know you feel bad about the fire and all, but surly you can see that you'll never put the fire out like that'
To which the thrush replied:
'I know, but at least I'm doing my bit'.
I rest my case, while not very experienced at wxWindows, I've used Qt, gtk and the Microsoft MFC classes, and gtk and MFC left me running back to Qt. It's a completely different piece of kit. I might try GnuStep once it gets more complete, but for now, it's Qt all the way.
You're not a coder are you? none of your examples are in the same league as Qt, in either speed of developpement, ease of use, documentation or compleatness.
Do you have anything to back this up? And what are the mods smoking today? We've got a AC Troll Hawk, quoting another Hawk, who gets +5 Insightful? Give me a brake... Btw, /. is supposed to be on technical issues, not political rantings, that's what indymedia's for.
The UN really needs to be reformed (e.g., France out of the security council, Germany, Japan, and India in would be a better approximation of great powers; and of course countries without consensual governments should have no vote in the general assembly or be eligible to chair any committees)
Better still, no defense counsel and give the general assembly some real powers.
And as far as all this going on about the French is concerned, I think some people need to remember that the most Security Counsel vetoes are actually the Americains defending their personnal interests (notably Israel).
And no, I'm not French, but I do live there
mod me as a troll if you will, I don't care
What distro are you using? or more importantly, what planet are you from?
:-() plug the card in, turn machine on, the card gets detected at boot up, I'm asked wether to configure it automagically or manually (for static ips etc) and most of the time that's all there is too it.
OK, I use Slackware at home, so I have all the fun you're talking about, but when I install systems for people, I install Mandrake, and I have never had easier hardware installation (and yes, I have delt with XP systems).
A new printer? plug it in, turn it on, control center, click on printers, wait 30 secs, print a test page just to be sure....
Netcards are just as easy, turn the machine off (sniff, so long uptime, I new you well
I'm afraid your either misinformed, or trolling, because the hardware question has been well and truly delt with.
Linux still has some technical hurdles to overcome before being a Joe Sixpack desktop machine (some cups quirks come to mind, where if you print to a turned off printer, you can only print to it again, if you reset it in the cups web interface, and I know there are other problems), but this is just 3 year old FUD.
Read my post before replying, this is being done to kill off the competition. And your right, there is lots of competition in the media player area _at_the_moment_, but that there won't be if all (at least 95%) of online content is wmv, which is what will happen if nothing is done since the wm codecs come with the bundled media player on every machine.
That's the whole point of this ruling. It's got nothing to do with which program has the most bloat, or installs the most spyware. The point is that:
A) Microsoft would never have the 40% market share it has now without bundling (which violates trust law since it's using your monopoly in one product space to gain a monopoly in another) and
B) the bundled media player is also bundling the windows media codecs (again, exploiting monopoly to gain another, in this case in media distribution).
Now you may ask why is this bad?
Let's look at office suits (And I know that this one was won , more or less, fair and square). When MS Office came out, it was the cheap, and good quality. Now it's the defacto standard, MS has gotten everyone on an extremally expensive upgrade treadmil, where the formats are changed just enough each time to make upgrading a necessity to communicate with the rest of the world.
Another (extremally well trodden) example: IE
When IE came out, it gained market share through being bundled, a lot of people didn't even know netscape existed. Now that the Browser War (?1, there might be a come back of the Lizard) is over, IE has been stagnating for years, with almost no significant improvement.
I'm going to bed now (1 o'clock here), so if you want to continue this off slashdot, please feel free to mail me.