"why would we work with #2 and stop making office for macs?"
Because Microsoft makes loads of money on programs they sell for the Mac platform. It's not like they started on 1984 and decided to go on until today to make Apple a favor.
Also, if Microsoft abandons Office for Mac, they'll be effectively giving OOo a 7-8% Market share, ie too big to be ignored.
You forgot the perpetual driving ban.
OTOH, as far as speed limiters are concerned, I'm all for them providing there is some override in case the emergency services need them (say as make shift ambulances). I'd also say that a GPS related system would be cool, to keep people under 50 while in built up areas.
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david@Betelgieuse:~$ ps -aSx
PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
1 ? S 32:49 init [4]
Thanks for the info:) doesn't change my point though, this is decidly unprofitable for the poor fools who sign up...
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I hate to blow some people expectations here, but these are _cpu_ hours we're talking about.
Let me demonstrate: here's a section from my ps -ax:
PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
1 ? S 0:05 init [4]
and here's my uptime:
16:45:07 up 4:31, 4 users, load average: 0.09, 0.34, 0.34
(yes I turn my PC off at night, so what...).
To sum it up, init has been running for 4 hours 30 minutes, but only has 5 cpu seconds on the clock. This is an extreme example, X on my laptop has used 15 mins on 2:30 hours uptime, but it get's the point across.
Sending out spam is bandwidth limited, not cpu limited (unless you run this on a 486 over a T1), therefor, you are going to be hammering your connection, whilst only using a small percentage of your cpu, and only earning mabey 2-3 dollars a night (and I'm being optimistic there, it could be a lot less).
So in short, this will work until people realise that there being had, and then it'll just disappear into the mist.
The problem isn't dethroning Microsoft, the problem is avoiding being destroyed by Microsoft.
As I posted earlier, most people here probably don't care for Linux World Domination more than for any other recurring joke. What we do care for though, is having the choice to run what we want on our computers, and that's what we're fighting/ranting for.
I'll bet on not troll and take you at your word...
Distros are hard to install? Which distro are you talking about, Debian? Gentoo? Consumer orientated distros are easier to install than windows atm, it's just the reputation that lingers on.
Don't get me wrong, you're free to run what you want on your machine, and I have an XP home sitting on a partition for when someone passes me a game (and I care enough to take the time to reboot to play it). To be perfectly honest, I think most people here would agree that in the end, we don't give a toss if you run windows/Linux/BSD/OSX/Amega or any other OS, what we take exception to is people trying to tell _us_ what _we_ should run (and this includes 'you need to send a word document to', windows only drivers and the zero support quit a few manufacturers give, all pushing us the Redmond way).
So to sum it up, my freedom stops where yours starts, and vice versa. The day when I can by my PC from the shop without an OS (or with a Free OS, ie no Microsoft tax), when I can go into a shop and by _a_ (not every, just a respectable number) software application for _my_ OS (no emulation), when I can get a piece of hardware without checking for half an hour on google to see if there is Linux support or not (this is almost there) and when I can just use the applications I want without worrying about someone moving the goalposts, rendering my work worthless, I'll have no reason to push Linux to world dominance or the like, until then, every point is worth taking.
May I remind you that you started by comparing _creators_ of planes (ie aerospatial engineers) to _players_ of games.
Just admit that your original comparison was apple meet orange, and we'll call it a day by admitting that anyone can come out on top by presenting the stats a particular way.
And if you've quite finished, we'll get back to the topic...
Prove it, just go and prove that there are more people who have used something out of the aerospatial industry than there are teenages in Europe/US who muck about on their consoles.
+ If you add in all the parcel services that use airplanes + freight, you are talking about 2/3 of the worlds population who depends (and there for uses) this technologies, compared to XBox + PS2 + Gamecube = 400M max.
Also, my point was that the great grand parent was wrong in comparing the number of aerospace engineers to the number of game players.
No, but there are more people who use airplanes (ie fly on them, fly them, man the airports) than there are game players, and their are defiantly more aerospace engineers than game developers, so go figure...
By firing the SO developers, by not packaging SO any more, and by abandoning OOo.
OTOH, Novel and IBM have a vested interest in keeping OOo alive and kicking, so it wouldn't surprise me if/when Sun pulls the plug that 100 or so IBM/Novel employees take up the slack
Yes you could, but it wouldn't be worth it, OTOH I recently heard about a new experimental house where every effort you made generated electricity (ie the door hinges were linked to dynamos, the carpet was made of coils in a magnetic field etc) sounded promessing:)
Chances are, a lot, plus you have to find somewhere to put them, high up preferably, on 25m polls... Water is by far the cheaper of the 2, and will still through out a fare amount of power.
To counter act your claim: I set a complete newbe ('I don't like OSX, it's to hard to use, I like windows, I know where everything is') up with Mandrake 9.2, works like a charm, no problems, she even managed to install her printer herself...
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You can laugh, but here in Nantes ( northen France for those that don't know) we have solar powered parking meters, and they work just fine...
Just read my thoughts.
Also, software R&D is already being outsourced, since the level of technical competence in India or China is already good enough for what's needed.
It's only a matter of time before the rest follows.
The only thing to do, is to adapt (disclaimer: that's exactly what I'm doing now)
"why would we work with #2 and stop making office for macs?"
Because Microsoft makes loads of money on programs they sell for the Mac platform. It's not like they started on 1984 and decided to go on until today to make Apple a favor.
Also, if Microsoft abandons Office for Mac, they'll be effectively giving OOo a 7-8% Market share, ie too big to be ignored.
I hate to say it, but all my friends who have Macs are CS majors....
No, that's 'A fool and his money are welcome at Lloyd's' (News quiz quote)
You forgot the perpetual driving ban. OTOH, as far as speed limiters are concerned, I'm all for them providing there is some override in case the emergency services need them (say as make shift ambulances). I'd also say that a GPS related system would be cool, to keep people under 50 while in built up areas.
To be honest, IIRC what I got was 'The Ultimate Doom' which had an extra levelset, so that might make up the difference.
5, first encounters (elite 3) was 3. I got both at the same time, and thought they were huge :)
Yes, but if you have to knock to get to the server, and then you have to authentificate (aka through ssh) you have an extra layer.
I did, must've been /.ed
david@Betelgieuse:~$ ps -aSx
:) doesn't change my point though, this is decidly unprofitable for the poor fools who sign up...
PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
1 ? S 32:49 init [4]
Thanks for the info
I hate to blow some people expectations here, but these are _cpu_ hours we're talking about.
Let me demonstrate: here's a section from my ps -ax:
PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
1 ? S 0:05 init [4]
and here's my uptime:
16:45:07 up 4:31, 4 users, load average: 0.09, 0.34, 0.34
(yes I turn my PC off at night, so what...).
To sum it up, init has been running for 4 hours 30 minutes, but only has 5 cpu seconds on the clock. This is an extreme example, X on my laptop has used 15 mins on 2:30 hours uptime, but it get's the point across.
Sending out spam is bandwidth limited, not cpu limited (unless you run this on a 486 over a T1), therefor, you are going to be hammering your connection, whilst only using a small percentage of your cpu, and only earning mabey 2-3 dollars a night (and I'm being optimistic there, it could be a lot less).
So in short, this will work until people realise that there being had, and then it'll just disappear into the mist.
Nice try, but zombies are more effective...
And I'll awnser: all the slashdotters who run Windows....
The problem isn't dethroning Microsoft, the problem is avoiding being destroyed by Microsoft.
As I posted earlier, most people here probably don't care for Linux World Domination more than for any other recurring joke. What we do care for though, is having the choice to run what we want on our computers, and that's what we're fighting/ranting for.
Troll? Not Troll?
I'll bet on not troll and take you at your word...
Distros are hard to install? Which distro are you talking about, Debian? Gentoo? Consumer orientated distros are easier to install than windows atm, it's just the reputation that lingers on.
Don't get me wrong, you're free to run what you want on your machine, and I have an XP home sitting on a partition for when someone passes me a game (and I care enough to take the time to reboot to play it). To be perfectly honest, I think most people here would agree that in the end, we don't give a toss if you run windows/Linux/BSD/OSX/Amega or any other OS, what we take exception to is people trying to tell _us_ what _we_ should run (and this includes 'you need to send a word document to', windows only drivers and the zero support quit a few manufacturers give, all pushing us the Redmond way).
So to sum it up, my freedom stops where yours starts, and vice versa. The day when I can by my PC from the shop without an OS (or with a Free OS, ie no Microsoft tax), when I can go into a shop and by _a_ (not every, just a respectable number) software application for _my_ OS (no emulation), when I can get a piece of hardware without checking for half an hour on google to see if there is Linux support or not (this is almost there) and when I can just use the applications I want without worrying about someone moving the goalposts, rendering my work worthless, I'll have no reason to push Linux to world dominance or the like, until then, every point is worth taking.
May I remind you that you started by comparing _creators_ of planes (ie aerospatial engineers) to _players_ of games. Just admit that your original comparison was apple meet orange, and we'll call it a day by admitting that anyone can come out on top by presenting the stats a particular way. And if you've quite finished, we'll get back to the topic...
Prove it, just go and prove that there are more people who have used something out of the aerospatial industry than there are teenages in Europe/US who muck about on their consoles.
+ If you add in all the parcel services that use airplanes + freight, you are talking about 2/3 of the worlds population who depends (and there for uses) this technologies, compared to XBox + PS2 + Gamecube = 400M max.
Also, my point was that the great grand parent was wrong in comparing the number of aerospace engineers to the number of game players.
No, but there are more people who use airplanes (ie fly on them, fly them, man the airports) than there are game players, and their are defiantly more aerospace engineers than game developers, so go figure...
Lobbying by judicial entities is evil, be they Microsoft, SCO, IBM, Novel, Mandrake or Red Hat.
The only people who should be able to lobby a parliament are the citizens who voted said parliament
Thanks for the info, I really didn't know where that one came from :)
Nop, you've got that one wrong, it started in Finland and was outsourced to the US.
By firing the SO developers, by not packaging SO any more, and by abandoning OOo.
OTOH, Novel and IBM have a vested interest in keeping OOo alive and kicking, so it wouldn't surprise me if/when Sun pulls the plug that 100 or so IBM/Novel employees take up the slack
Yes you could, but it wouldn't be worth it, OTOH I recently heard about a new experimental house where every effort you made generated electricity (ie the door hinges were linked to dynamos, the carpet was made of coils in a magnetic field etc) sounded promessing :)
Chances are, a lot, plus you have to find somewhere to put them, high up preferably, on 25m polls... Water is by far the cheaper of the 2, and will still through out a fare amount of power.
To counter act your claim: I set a complete newbe ('I don't like OSX, it's to hard to use, I like windows, I know where everything is') up with Mandrake 9.2, works like a charm, no problems, she even managed to install her printer herself...