In stead of bailing out wall street directly, why not help them indirectly? With a bail out of $700,000,000,000, they can pay toward mortgages, up to a limit, for people who are in standing; since say January. People with paid off mortgages suddenly have new disposable income which can go back to both main and wall streets. Paid off mortgages means no more for closures. Better yet, it creates cash flow back to the banks, making them solvent again without rewarding them for them criminal behaviour which created this whole situation in the first place.
Obviously this is much harder to figure out who gets what but it makes a lot more sense than the plan that didn't pass. We know the Trickle Down theory doesn't work; yet that's what they are currently proposing. Essentially what I'm proposing is a trickle up theory. At least what I'm proposing immediately helps everyone that is financially suffering without rewarding those that directly caused this problem (lenders and lying customers).
Even if $10,000 is applied to outstanding mortgage debt, some 70,000,000 mortgage payments are suddenly relieved. At $20,000 max, that's some 35,000,000 mortgage payments which can be deferred. If we assume a typical mortgage is $1,000 - $1,500, that gives home owners breathing room for for 10 to 20 months. For others that's enough to pay off mortgages.
Frankly I can see how this plan is worse than what is currently being proposed.
Don't tanks, attack helicopters and ground support planes also use scopes?
Yes. Just about every modern attack platform has some form of optics involved in their target acquisition system. There are few areas of the military where a system like this, assuming it is truly capable, would not be leveraged. Possible uses range from snipers to UAV to attack helicopters.
You also left out entities who do not operate inside of free market mechanics. Diamonds and oil operate outside of the free markets; despite popular opinion. Both have their prices and supply artificially controlled and limited. Oil is once more removed as it then hidden behind speculators.
I've clearly spelled things out. You're all over the place and it's impossible to connect the dots. You're comparing apples to oranges and insist apples taste like oranges. That's illogical. Period.
On the attack now. Further indication you know you're trolling and ramping up to flame. Nice.
Unprovoked?
Ya. Of course it's unprovoked. You're ramping things up for absolutely no reason. Well, okay....for the sake of trolling.
You made a claim that Google was opening everything up.
Which is a factual statement - where they are allowed to do so. For example, radio access can not be opened. That's a factual statement. Period.
I provided proof to the contrary.
Actually you didn't. What was your point? The only thing you provided is Google is actively working to improve the quality of their API. How does that turn into proof that they are restricting access? It doesn't. More illogical ranting.
You changed your tune
My position is completely unchanged from my original post. Period. Because of your illogical, emotionally charged rant, you're looking for straws. Nice straw man.
and said that it was good of them to do that, and that it's a common practice. You later blamed this practice on MS.
Once again, you completely misunderstand. This is a reality of business. There are few businesses where a product is created that this is not a reality. If you must get a product out the door and some portions are incomplete, you remove it from the product. This applies to both Vista and Google's Android. It's the same concept. I'm really not sure how that's confusing.
The part which seems to further confuse you, which has nothing to do with the above, is that MS established a practise of releasing buggy, alpha quality products. This is now the norm in the industry. This is fact. Period. There is no indication Google has done this with the API. In fact, they purposely did the above so as to NOT be party to MS' practises.
According to your illogical position, releasing a product automatically means the product is crappy and on par with MS'. That is of course, illogical.
Yeah, let's read those comments, not the articles, which state that they just ran out of time and had some security concerns.
Fine. You just validated my position and further invalided yours. Wow. Nice. You're a great debater.
So Vista was finished upon release?
Yes. That's what I originally said. Again, I've not changed my position. They did the same thing Google did here. They removed incomplete features to have a complete product. Of course, in doing so, exactly like Google, they have a less feature rich product. The difference is, again saying this for what, the third time ignoring this post, MS' product was very much of alpha quality. MS has openly admitted (covered here on/.) they released the product far too early and it had far too many bugs. Again, this is my original position. My position is factually supported and logical.
Your keyhole position is bluntly, stupid. It is not topical. At this point, the only purpose it serves is to validate how irrational you are and validates I'm rational, topical, and honest. So what's your point??
Drivers are up to the manufacturer. And while the finished features were in, they were also buggy and crash prone. Thusly, they released a sub-par product. Once again, you validate my entire point. If you want to debate this position, then you need to take it up directly with MS because their position is that you are clueless on the topic.
The rest of your illogical rant is ignored. If you have a point to make, state it. You obviously don't understand context. You are even taking my comments out of context. Clearly state what your issue is with Google. I asked you to enlighten me before. You obviously refused. Do you have a point other than trolling? If you can't directly answer this, then you're not worth the time.
In detail, explain why you have one iota of a logical argument. Explain what your point is.
Nice troll. I said nothing even close to what you're implying. You've obviously gone on an unprovoked rampage. Re-read what I said. Despite your posturing, I'll go ahead and reply.
MS sucks, Google is different and would never do the horrible things MS does.
I said give Google a chance to see if they can deliver before you start bashing them. Be an optimist until you have reason to become hyper-critical. The list is never ending to be hyper-critical of MS. Thus far we have every indication Google is doing it right yet you still want to bash them for doing it right?!?! How screwed up is that? That's a huge difference. Using you're own logic, since MS sucks all companies suck. There is a gaping hole in your logic a mile wide.
If you want to be hyper-critical of every company, fine, but don't expect everyone to be drinking from your cup.
Is it really that hard to base an opinion on merit? Thus far, Google has a good reputation based strictly on merit. On the other hand, MS has a world's worst reputation, again based solely on merit. In other words, it's deserved. They do a lot of things wrong. If you believe Google's reputation is undeserved, please enlighten me. It may be I'm out of touch with Google's wrong doings.
Also, MS is a jerk and has ruined the industry.
That's you're words, not mine. But to sit there casting stones as if MS has no influence on its industry and that they've never done anything wrong is to be completely blind. You're position is silly to say the least. Why is it with facts that upset you so? Does it really upset to know that before MS made buggy, incomplete, alpha-quality releases the norm for the industry, the industry by in large actually attempted to have quality releases. It doesn't always work, but that was the target goal. These days, thanks to MS, the norm is the standard set by MS and the exception is quality.
Are you really blind to their crimes and the broader negative impact to the industry? Or just trolling? You seriously believe Linux would have the market and mind share it does now if it were not for MS? It's not like I'm pulling this from a hat. Frankly, it's hard to find any other company which deserves the same "merit" MS has earned.
I couldn't be bothered to google "keyhole" (despite how much I love Google)
So Googling a topic suddenly makes one an expert? Obviously you're trolling or have your brains in a hat. I honestly answered. I don't know anything about it. Even if I had Googled it, it hardly changes the fact that I don't known enough about it to have an opinion. In other words, I'm honest and credible. Despite that fact, you're emotional, illogical, and trolling. Hmmm. Which position actually makes sense.
I do not have Vista experience. From what I've read about it, I would say the same. Having said that, MS has their own sets of problems. A production release from them is almost always an alpha or beta quality product. So in all fairness, Vista's rough edges have more to do with the fact that it's from MS than any other factor. Even MS has admitted they released an alpha quality product. Specifically, MS does this for purely marketing reasons too. More below.
Removal of half finished products does not mean you have a quality product. After all, ultimately, we must all be judged based on what we bring to the table. Without regard for what was delivered in the final product, they are still judged based on what they released.
As it is, the G1 is just another phone. Vista was just another operating system after they gutted all the useful features in order to get the damn thing launched. The launch of Vista was plagued by horrible driver support and a few serious bugs that were stamped out with SP1. I have yet to see a major cell phone launch that wasn't plagued by some dumb, easily avoidable bugs/flaws that resulted in a second revision or a firmware/OS update most users would never get. (One thing the iPhone got right was easy firmware upgrading.)
This is a distinct issue and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. These problems from the fact that the majority of software development is poorly managed to meet an arbitrary release date rather than based on the merits of the software it self. This underscores how broken and poorly managed software development is (you can directly thank MS for this innovation) rather than attempting to release a product when it is done.
MS has single handedly done more to break the software industry and any other company or entity. IMO, if it were not for MS setting a new low standard for the industry, Open Source would have likely never gained traction.
When was the last time Google wowed you?
I don't subscribe to the "what have you done for me lately" mentality. Having said that, Google Maps and Google Earth did wow me.
Google Maps is a clone of Mapquest. Google Earth was bought from Keyhole.
Google Maps innovated what Mapquest did poorly. Google set the new standard for online mapping applications. Google proved a high level of user interaction is possible despite it being a web based application. If you want to argue that's personal opinion, I'll accept that.
I'm not familiar with Keyhole so I can't comment.
Google Docs or whatever is something that simply will never interest me or the corporate world.
Google Docs doesn't have strong interest from me either but it does for many. And a product offering need not garner corporate interest to have value. Many do find value here and once again they did innovate. Impressing you is not a qualifier for innovation.;)
Of course, this is why Google is making a platform,
I agree. In other words, they innovated in a market which is already saturated and appear to have a foot in the door. Time will tell if they have a success on their hands. Having said that, pretty much all of the other phone platforms out there suck badly. Providing a coherent platform which is easy to develop for, assuming it's even one iota better than what's out there (which isn't hard), will allow vendors to make better products which will help innovate the entire industry. Obviously they have a lot to prove but it doesn't hurt me to sit back and watch the show.
Even if they fail, chances are it will force innovation elsewhere in the industry and in the end, it is still likely a win for you and me.
The actual task (and risk) of trying to sell phones based on Android is left with the carriers, not Google.
This is true but right now each one must develop and innovate to bring product offerings. Android offers the ability to develop on a standardized, easy to use platform, al
To be fair, this is not their failing. That type of experience simply doesn't exist much any more. This is a fact which has constantly repeated it self over time.
Lacking experience is the constant component which simply disappears. This can be observed in many technical areas.
o Military contractors are constantly relearning lessons well known since WWII and Korea.
o It now takes 20%-40% longer to build aircraft which have changed little since the 60s. This is believed to be directly attributable to both the change in accepted work practises but also the lacking expertise which was commonly available from WWII, Korea, and Vietnam era workers.
o Contrary to popular myth, rocket scientists with actual developmental experience are exceedingly rare. For the most part, all of these guys have retired. Ignoring the current rocket engineering resurgence, for the most part, there hasn't been any new rocket engine engineering taking place since the space shuttle. Don't forget, most of that took place in the 60s. With some simple math, it's easy to figure out most of these guys have moved on, retired, or dead.
To make matters worse, Corporate America no longer values experience. This fact is underlined, bolded, and well documented. The outsourcing of America is in it self validation of this fact. Ignoring outsourcing, and it's still well documented. These days experience is equated to mean, expensive and having no value.
Or so they say. Until they deliver, no amount of promises will mean anything.
That's generally a fair statement. On the other hand, AFAIK, Google has a good track record for following through on their public statements.
If anything, pushing out a product before it's truly ready demonstrates that this will be just another botched, half-finished product.
I don't believe you understand the situation. They took out the components which were half-finished; thusly releasing a product which was finished. Lacking features is not the same as unfinished.
I have no blind faith in Google,
I have to agree with you here. Let's see what happens. If they fail to follow up then I'll be standing beside you on that soap box of yours.;)
They dropped them for several reasons. If you read the comments you'll find they dropped those APIs because the APIs were under developed and/or in flux and as such, do not belong in a production release. This is common for software development. They plan on adding things back in when they have time to refocus efforts to make things better.
In other words, their decision is about quality, not restricting freedom.
I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. Google has been very clear, with exception of areas which law prevents them from opening, they intend to open the platform to both developers and handset manufacturers. How is that even close to what Apple is doing? Thus far, Apple is well known for stomping on a long list of applications. Considering no evidence exists that Google plans to follow Apple and they have stated the opposite of Apple's policy, you seem to be far, far, far, out in left field here.
But what the words 'troll' and 'flaimbait' actually mean is worse. Both assume you know the motivation of the poster.
That's exactly the point. That's when you are supposed to use those mods; when you *know*. Both are easy to spot yet if you go based solely on modded posts, they'll almost always be wrong. Again, you've made one of my points. People are using these mods despite the fact the posts don't meet the requirements. This means they are bad mods. Furthermore, the meta-mod system is not correcting the majority of these.
On the other hand, off-topic tends to be more clear cut.
I agree. This thread would quality. And had the system worked, it's what I should have been modded. In stead, I was modded troll, etc.. And it is very clear, nothing in my post is trollish or flame bait. People may disagree, and that's fine, but then again, that's what replies are for, not mod points.
As is 'overrated' - it implies 'in my opinion and with my mod point I thusly smite you a point'.
That is a common use. I don't think I have an issues with it. Having said that, I don't use it as such. I use it to close out threads where factually incorrect information was provided and modded up. If these are left modded up, they distract from the topic. In other words, they do have legitimate use. And IIRC, they allow for corrections without punishment which can be a nice benefit.
Classic example of flamebait post (YOURS) which was modded interesting. My post was informative but off topic; despite it being topical for the thread. Point proved. Furthermore, obviously you have comprehension issues. You seriously believe I intended you to believe that statistic? 99%? Really? Exaguration to make a point doesn't register with you? If you can't garner the understanding to follow what I'm saying, you likely shouldn't be replying at all.
I've been around since pretty much beginning.
Yes, your id # says it all. Ouch. Regardless, noise is noise. Signal is signal. You are noise.
But quite frankly, people like you are part of the noise, and always have been.
Take a look at the post. You're as much as noise in this article as I am. And to the contrary, I'm normally informative "signal." I'd bet your normal is noise. Take a look at your post. You're flame-baiting because of what appears to be comprehension issues. You're a classic troll/flamer. Once again proving my point.
The final kicker - you're currently sitting at +1. The irony should make your head implode.
Rolling eyes. Yes, because it's impossible to quickly change it while reading or moderating. I'm sure you'll need to clean your monitor and walls to collect what was once your head. *BOOM*
Thanks for proving the mod system is broken and noise like you continue to get moderated up. You completely validated my entire argument. *BOOM* I guess what was left of your head just exploded again. Irony. Ouch.
Now to make the rest of your body explode. According to you, everything works great. I have excellent karma. If I'm noise, I can't have good karma. Yet I have good karma so I can't be noise. *BOOM* Your self imposed logic bomb just detonated. That one had to hurt.
Seriously, can you post without trolling or flaming? Better yet, can you post without huge gaping holes in your logic or falsehoods in your statements?
Turn off -1 comments, and you'll miss 99% of the GNAA, Goatse or "FIRST!!" posts.
And you'll miss 99% of the insightful posts. The/. moderation system is hopelessly broken at this point. Insightful comments are often modded down because someone either disagrees with it or is too ignorant of the subject matter to be modding in the first place. The meta moderation system has far too few participants and the vast majority of the false moderations never get fixed. Worse, the current generation seems to ignorant of proper terminology and often redefine words or out of stupidity and never bother to learn the actual definition. Few under the age of 20 seem to understand the definition of words like "flamebait" and "troll". Many here seem to falsely presume "flamebait" means I disagree and "troll" means I really, really disagree.
To make matters worse, many people now mod troll. They specifically target people via multiple accounts and immediately snipe their posts, forcing them down before they can be modded up. Since many people do not read 0 and -1 posts, very insightful posts are never even seen. Some people have dozens of accounts for the sole purpose of trolling and mod trolling, whereby, they use their accounts to mod their other accounts and trolled posts up.
As is, slashdot is a shadow of what it once was. Now, the dopes and idiots plus the high number of bad moderations which are never fixed chase most of the intelligent would-be posters away. This means we are largely left with the ignorant that think they have something to add but sadly don't. And the few that do are often modded down by the mass of ignorance that is common here. Worse, their friends mod them up without regard for the content provided and they mod down any real content.
Slashdot is hopelessly broken. Either live it or move on. You'll find most have moved on. In other words, by ignoring -1 posts, you are likely missing out on the entire point of visiting slashdot's comment system in the first place.
The problem is the absolute failure of the "No Child Left Behind" policies. Kids are allowed to fail their classes and proceed to the next grade. This can continue for their entire school career so long as they pass a final minimal requirements test for each grade. Guess what, a large portion are unable to pass this test and drop out because they were never taught anything in the first place.
Teachers are no longer allowed to teach. They only give instruction on passing "No Child Left Behind" related tests. Critical thinking skills are not taught. Included in this vein is the lack of books, which were previously required mandatory reading and required teaching of critical thinking skills. By in large these books are disappearing from schools and continue to disappear at an ever increasing rate. It's sad.
Teachers are largely no longer allowed to teach phonetics. Vocabulary tests are focus an simple words often heard in every day language. These efforts are in place to allow students to focus on skills which they will use after school. This means students will not be able to understand most books. This means students will not be able to read or learn words which were not taught to them during high school. This also means fewer students are prepared for college and more students will either drop out of college or simply never enroll.
It is very difficult to imagine the state of US education is as such without someone wilfully determining the US population needs to be ignorant and dumb. The US education system works hard to create students who have limited vocabularies, can't sound out words, have no critical thinking skills, have little to no exposure to books which are critical of government, are unlikely to attend higher education, and anyone that has a brain should hide that fact or have it beat out of them on a daily basis; after all, sports are far more important. Hmmm...sounds like the perfect system to create slaves to me.
My son is 18. He only read Animal Farm because the teacher gave extra credit for it and he needed it. By in large, those books are part of fewer and fewer people's education. The reason most often given is that the books are too old and therefore the student body can not relate to them. It smells of political agenda to me.
Thankfully the core Python developers have been telling us that continued hardware development of adding more cores is simply not happening. Furthermore, this evolution of continued development is simply wrong, bad, and is silly. To make matters worse, we are all delusional and no one is running more than one core and anyone leveraging more than one core is using their computer poorly and inefficiently.
Thankfully, here very soon, we'll all reason that Intel, AMD, ATI, and NVIDIA are all doing the wrong thing and making use of additional cores (and especially SMP) is always the worst way of increasing concurrency.
In all seriousness, hopefully these guys will realize they are dreaming and actually bother to increase scalability with sane, proper, scalable, and programmer friendly methods for doing so.
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In stead of bailing out wall street directly, why not help them indirectly? With a bail out of $700,000,000,000, they can pay toward mortgages, up to a limit, for people who are in standing; since say January. People with paid off mortgages suddenly have new disposable income which can go back to both main and wall streets. Paid off mortgages means no more for closures. Better yet, it creates cash flow back to the banks, making them solvent again without rewarding them for them criminal behaviour which created this whole situation in the first place.
Obviously this is much harder to figure out who gets what but it makes a lot more sense than the plan that didn't pass. We know the Trickle Down theory doesn't work; yet that's what they are currently proposing. Essentially what I'm proposing is a trickle up theory. At least what I'm proposing immediately helps everyone that is financially suffering without rewarding those that directly caused this problem (lenders and lying customers).
Even if $10,000 is applied to outstanding mortgage debt, some 70,000,000 mortgage payments are suddenly relieved. At $20,000 max, that's some 35,000,000 mortgage payments which can be deferred. If we assume a typical mortgage is $1,000 - $1,500, that gives home owners breathing room for for 10 to 20 months. For others that's enough to pay off mortgages.
Frankly I can see how this plan is worse than what is currently being proposed.
Don't tanks, attack helicopters and ground support planes also use scopes?
Yes. Just about every modern attack platform has some form of optics involved in their target acquisition system. There are few areas of the military where a system like this, assuming it is truly capable, would not be leveraged. Possible uses range from snipers to UAV to attack helicopters.
The Caps Lock key was given to us by aliens. Double lock that hat of yours. ;)
Don't waste your time. He's a troll. Check out his post history. Likely he doesn't have a laptop let alone two NICs.
You also left out entities who do not operate inside of free market mechanics. Diamonds and oil operate outside of the free markets; despite popular opinion. Both have their prices and supply artificially controlled and limited. Oil is once more removed as it then hidden behind speculators.
All too funny. That's what I thought you'd have to say on the subject. LOL.
You would have saved us both lots of time if you had just simply said up front you have absolutely no idea what the heck you're talking about.
LOL. Too funny.
I'm done.
Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
That does pretty well sum up your position. Nice trolling.
Rampage? You're the one with the illogical,
I've clearly spelled things out. You're all over the place and it's impossible to connect the dots. You're comparing apples to oranges and insist apples taste like oranges. That's illogical. Period.
poorly formed, grammatically shitty, emotional posts.
On the attack now. Further indication you know you're trolling and ramping up to flame. Nice.
Unprovoked?
Ya. Of course it's unprovoked. You're ramping things up for absolutely no reason. Well, okay....for the sake of trolling.
You made a claim that Google was opening everything up.
Which is a factual statement - where they are allowed to do so. For example, radio access can not be opened. That's a factual statement. Period.
I provided proof to the contrary.
Actually you didn't. What was your point? The only thing you provided is Google is actively working to improve the quality of their API. How does that turn into proof that they are restricting access? It doesn't. More illogical ranting.
You changed your tune
My position is completely unchanged from my original post. Period. Because of your illogical, emotionally charged rant, you're looking for straws. Nice straw man.
and said that it was good of them to do that, and that it's a common practice. You later blamed this practice on MS.
Once again, you completely misunderstand. This is a reality of business. There are few businesses where a product is created that this is not a reality. If you must get a product out the door and some portions are incomplete, you remove it from the product. This applies to both Vista and Google's Android. It's the same concept. I'm really not sure how that's confusing.
The part which seems to further confuse you, which has nothing to do with the above, is that MS established a practise of releasing buggy, alpha quality products. This is now the norm in the industry. This is fact. Period. There is no indication Google has done this with the API. In fact, they purposely did the above so as to NOT be party to MS' practises.
According to your illogical position, releasing a product automatically means the product is crappy and on par with MS'. That is of course, illogical.
Yeah, let's read those comments, not the articles, which state that they just ran out of time and had some security concerns.
Fine. You just validated my position and further invalided yours. Wow. Nice. You're a great debater.
So Vista was finished upon release?
Yes. That's what I originally said. Again, I've not changed my position. They did the same thing Google did here. They removed incomplete features to have a complete product. Of course, in doing so, exactly like Google, they have a less feature rich product. The difference is, again saying this for what, the third time ignoring this post, MS' product was very much of alpha quality. MS has openly admitted (covered here on /.) they released the product far too early and it had far too many bugs. Again, this is my original position. My position is factually supported and logical.
Your keyhole position is bluntly, stupid. It is not topical. At this point, the only purpose it serves is to validate how irrational you are and validates I'm rational, topical, and honest. So what's your point??
Drivers are up to the manufacturer. And while the finished features were in, they were also buggy and crash prone. Thusly, they released a sub-par product. Once again, you validate my entire point. If you want to debate this position, then you need to take it up directly with MS because their position is that you are clueless on the topic.
The rest of your illogical rant is ignored. If you have a point to make, state it. You obviously don't understand context. You are even taking my comments out of context. Clearly state what your issue is with Google. I asked you to enlighten me before. You obviously refused. Do you have a point other than trolling? If you can't directly answer this, then you're not worth the time.
In detail, explain why you have one iota of a logical argument. Explain what your point is.
Nice troll. I said nothing even close to what you're implying. You've obviously gone on an unprovoked rampage. Re-read what I said. Despite your posturing, I'll go ahead and reply.
MS sucks, Google is different and would never do the horrible things MS does.
I said give Google a chance to see if they can deliver before you start bashing them. Be an optimist until you have reason to become hyper-critical. The list is never ending to be hyper-critical of MS. Thus far we have every indication Google is doing it right yet you still want to bash them for doing it right?!?! How screwed up is that? That's a huge difference. Using you're own logic, since MS sucks all companies suck. There is a gaping hole in your logic a mile wide.
If you want to be hyper-critical of every company, fine, but don't expect everyone to be drinking from your cup.
Is it really that hard to base an opinion on merit? Thus far, Google has a good reputation based strictly on merit. On the other hand, MS has a world's worst reputation, again based solely on merit. In other words, it's deserved. They do a lot of things wrong. If you believe Google's reputation is undeserved, please enlighten me. It may be I'm out of touch with Google's wrong doings.
Also, MS is a jerk and has ruined the industry.
That's you're words, not mine. But to sit there casting stones as if MS has no influence on its industry and that they've never done anything wrong is to be completely blind. You're position is silly to say the least. Why is it with facts that upset you so? Does it really upset to know that before MS made buggy, incomplete, alpha-quality releases the norm for the industry, the industry by in large actually attempted to have quality releases. It doesn't always work, but that was the target goal. These days, thanks to MS, the norm is the standard set by MS and the exception is quality.
Are you really blind to their crimes and the broader negative impact to the industry? Or just trolling? You seriously believe Linux would have the market and mind share it does now if it were not for MS? It's not like I'm pulling this from a hat. Frankly, it's hard to find any other company which deserves the same "merit" MS has earned.
I couldn't be bothered to google "keyhole" (despite how much I love Google)
So Googling a topic suddenly makes one an expert? Obviously you're trolling or have your brains in a hat. I honestly answered. I don't know anything about it. Even if I had Googled it, it hardly changes the fact that I don't known enough about it to have an opinion. In other words, I'm honest and credible. Despite that fact, you're emotional, illogical, and trolling. Hmmm. Which position actually makes sense.
Would you say the same about Vista?
I do not have Vista experience. From what I've read about it, I would say the same. Having said that, MS has their own sets of problems. A production release from them is almost always an alpha or beta quality product. So in all fairness, Vista's rough edges have more to do with the fact that it's from MS than any other factor. Even MS has admitted they released an alpha quality product. Specifically, MS does this for purely marketing reasons too. More below.
Removal of half finished products does not mean you have a quality product. After all, ultimately, we must all be judged based on what we bring to the table. Without regard for what was delivered in the final product, they are still judged based on what they released.
As it is, the G1 is just another phone. Vista was just another operating system after they gutted all the useful features in order to get the damn thing launched. The launch of Vista was plagued by horrible driver support and a few serious bugs that were stamped out with SP1. I have yet to see a major cell phone launch that wasn't plagued by some dumb, easily avoidable bugs/flaws that resulted in a second revision or a firmware/OS update most users would never get. (One thing the iPhone got right was easy firmware upgrading.)
This is a distinct issue and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. These problems from the fact that the majority of software development is poorly managed to meet an arbitrary release date rather than based on the merits of the software it self. This underscores how broken and poorly managed software development is (you can directly thank MS for this innovation) rather than attempting to release a product when it is done.
MS has single handedly done more to break the software industry and any other company or entity. IMO, if it were not for MS setting a new low standard for the industry, Open Source would have likely never gained traction.
When was the last time Google wowed you?
I don't subscribe to the "what have you done for me lately" mentality. Having said that, Google Maps and Google Earth did wow me.
Google Maps is a clone of Mapquest. Google Earth was bought from Keyhole.
Google Maps innovated what Mapquest did poorly. Google set the new standard for online mapping applications. Google proved a high level of user interaction is possible despite it being a web based application. If you want to argue that's personal opinion, I'll accept that.
I'm not familiar with Keyhole so I can't comment.
Google Docs or whatever is something that simply will never interest me or the corporate world.
Google Docs doesn't have strong interest from me either but it does for many. And a product offering need not garner corporate interest to have value. Many do find value here and once again they did innovate. Impressing you is not a qualifier for innovation. ;)
Of course, this is why Google is making a platform,
I agree. In other words, they innovated in a market which is already saturated and appear to have a foot in the door. Time will tell if they have a success on their hands. Having said that, pretty much all of the other phone platforms out there suck badly. Providing a coherent platform which is easy to develop for, assuming it's even one iota better than what's out there (which isn't hard), will allow vendors to make better products which will help innovate the entire industry. Obviously they have a lot to prove but it doesn't hurt me to sit back and watch the show.
Even if they fail, chances are it will force innovation elsewhere in the industry and in the end, it is still likely a win for you and me.
The actual task (and risk) of trying to sell phones based on Android is left with the carriers, not Google.
This is true but right now each one must develop and innovate to bring product offerings. Android offers the ability to develop on a standardized, easy to use platform, al
Thankfully there is plenty of spam emails with ads for men's products to help you feel bigger. ;)
To be fair, this is not their failing. That type of experience simply doesn't exist much any more. This is a fact which has constantly repeated it self over time.
Lacking experience is the constant component which simply disappears. This can be observed in many technical areas.
o Military contractors are constantly relearning lessons well known since WWII and Korea.
o It now takes 20%-40% longer to build aircraft which have changed little since the 60s. This is believed to be directly attributable to both the change in accepted work practises but also the lacking expertise which was commonly available from WWII, Korea, and Vietnam era workers.
o Contrary to popular myth, rocket scientists with actual developmental experience are exceedingly rare. For the most part, all of these guys have retired. Ignoring the current rocket engineering resurgence, for the most part, there hasn't been any new rocket engine engineering taking place since the space shuttle. Don't forget, most of that took place in the 60s. With some simple math, it's easy to figure out most of these guys have moved on, retired, or dead.
To make matters worse, Corporate America no longer values experience. This fact is underlined, bolded, and well documented. The outsourcing of America is in it self validation of this fact. Ignoring outsourcing, and it's still well documented. These days experience is equated to mean, expensive and having no value.
Or so they say. Until they deliver, no amount of promises will mean anything.
That's generally a fair statement. On the other hand, AFAIK, Google has a good track record for following through on their public statements.
If anything, pushing out a product before it's truly ready demonstrates that this will be just another botched, half-finished product.
I don't believe you understand the situation. They took out the components which were half-finished; thusly releasing a product which was finished. Lacking features is not the same as unfinished.
I have no blind faith in Google,
I have to agree with you here. Let's see what happens. If they fail to follow up then I'll be standing beside you on that soap box of yours. ;)
They dropped them for several reasons. If you read the comments you'll find they dropped those APIs because the APIs were under developed and/or in flux and as such, do not belong in a production release. This is common for software development. They plan on adding things back in when they have time to refocus efforts to make things better.
In other words, their decision is about quality, not restricting freedom.
I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. Google has been very clear, with exception of areas which law prevents them from opening, they intend to open the platform to both developers and handset manufacturers. How is that even close to what Apple is doing? Thus far, Apple is well known for stomping on a long list of applications. Considering no evidence exists that Google plans to follow Apple and they have stated the opposite of Apple's policy, you seem to be far, far, far, out in left field here.
You might also not be at all surprised to know that Google is working
Haven't pretty much ALL phone companies had a store to download shit from for a looooooooong time before iphone or even ipod
So it's safe to say you're not surprised. Seems the author was right. ;)
But what the words 'troll' and 'flaimbait' actually mean is worse. Both assume you know the motivation of the poster.
That's exactly the point. That's when you are supposed to use those mods; when you *know*. Both are easy to spot yet if you go based solely on modded posts, they'll almost always be wrong. Again, you've made one of my points. People are using these mods despite the fact the posts don't meet the requirements. This means they are bad mods. Furthermore, the meta-mod system is not correcting the majority of these.
On the other hand, off-topic tends to be more clear cut.
I agree. This thread would quality. And had the system worked, it's what I should have been modded. In stead, I was modded troll, etc.. And it is very clear, nothing in my post is trollish or flame bait. People may disagree, and that's fine, but then again, that's what replies are for, not mod points.
As is 'overrated' - it implies 'in my opinion and with my mod point I thusly smite you a point'.
That is a common use. I don't think I have an issues with it. Having said that, I don't use it as such. I use it to close out threads where factually incorrect information was provided and modded up. If these are left modded up, they distract from the topic. In other words, they do have legitimate use. And IIRC, they allow for corrections without punishment which can be a nice benefit.
+1 Insightful
It was. Some of the replies and the moderation to those post further strengthen my argument.
+1 Insightful!
You obviously get it!
You're thinking of someone else or replying to the wrong message. I don't troll. I do sometimes flame back accordingly.
... and I say you're full of shit.
Classic example of flamebait post (YOURS) which was modded interesting. My post was informative but off topic; despite it being topical for the thread. Point proved. Furthermore, obviously you have comprehension issues. You seriously believe I intended you to believe that statistic? 99%? Really? Exaguration to make a point doesn't register with you? If you can't garner the understanding to follow what I'm saying, you likely shouldn't be replying at all.
I've been around since pretty much beginning.
Yes, your id # says it all. Ouch. Regardless, noise is noise. Signal is signal. You are noise.
But quite frankly, people like you are part of the noise, and always have been.
Take a look at the post. You're as much as noise in this article as I am. And to the contrary, I'm normally informative "signal." I'd bet your normal is noise. Take a look at your post. You're flame-baiting because of what appears to be comprehension issues. You're a classic troll/flamer. Once again proving my point.
The final kicker - you're currently sitting at +1. The irony should make your head implode.
Rolling eyes. Yes, because it's impossible to quickly change it while reading or moderating. I'm sure you'll need to clean your monitor and walls to collect what was once your head. *BOOM*
Thanks for proving the mod system is broken and noise like you continue to get moderated up. You completely validated my entire argument. *BOOM* I guess what was left of your head just exploded again. Irony. Ouch.
Now to make the rest of your body explode. According to you, everything works great. I have excellent karma. If I'm noise, I can't have good karma. Yet I have good karma so I can't be noise. *BOOM* Your self imposed logic bomb just detonated. That one had to hurt.
Seriously, can you post without trolling or flaming? Better yet, can you post without huge gaping holes in your logic or falsehoods in your statements?
Turn off -1 comments, and you'll miss 99% of the GNAA, Goatse or "FIRST!!" posts.
And you'll miss 99% of the insightful posts. The /. moderation system is hopelessly broken at this point. Insightful comments are often modded down because someone either disagrees with it or is too ignorant of the subject matter to be modding in the first place. The meta moderation system has far too few participants and the vast majority of the false moderations never get fixed. Worse, the current generation seems to ignorant of proper terminology and often redefine words or out of stupidity and never bother to learn the actual definition. Few under the age of 20 seem to understand the definition of words like "flamebait" and "troll". Many here seem to falsely presume "flamebait" means I disagree and "troll" means I really, really disagree.
To make matters worse, many people now mod troll. They specifically target people via multiple accounts and immediately snipe their posts, forcing them down before they can be modded up. Since many people do not read 0 and -1 posts, very insightful posts are never even seen. Some people have dozens of accounts for the sole purpose of trolling and mod trolling, whereby, they use their accounts to mod their other accounts and trolled posts up.
As is, slashdot is a shadow of what it once was. Now, the dopes and idiots plus the high number of bad moderations which are never fixed chase most of the intelligent would-be posters away. This means we are largely left with the ignorant that think they have something to add but sadly don't. And the few that do are often modded down by the mass of ignorance that is common here. Worse, their friends mod them up without regard for the content provided and they mod down any real content.
Slashdot is hopelessly broken. Either live it or move on. You'll find most have moved on. In other words, by ignoring -1 posts, you are likely missing out on the entire point of visiting slashdot's comment system in the first place.
The article is based on two books.
The problem is the absolute failure of the "No Child Left Behind" policies. Kids are allowed to fail their classes and proceed to the next grade. This can continue for their entire school career so long as they pass a final minimal requirements test for each grade. Guess what, a large portion are unable to pass this test and drop out because they were never taught anything in the first place.
Teachers are no longer allowed to teach. They only give instruction on passing "No Child Left Behind" related tests. Critical thinking skills are not taught. Included in this vein is the lack of books, which were previously required mandatory reading and required teaching of critical thinking skills. By in large these books are disappearing from schools and continue to disappear at an ever increasing rate. It's sad.
Teachers are largely no longer allowed to teach phonetics. Vocabulary tests are focus an simple words often heard in every day language. These efforts are in place to allow students to focus on skills which they will use after school. This means students will not be able to understand most books. This means students will not be able to read or learn words which were not taught to them during high school. This also means fewer students are prepared for college and more students will either drop out of college or simply never enroll.
It is very difficult to imagine the state of US education is as such without someone wilfully determining the US population needs to be ignorant and dumb. The US education system works hard to create students who have limited vocabularies, can't sound out words, have no critical thinking skills, have little to no exposure to books which are critical of government, are unlikely to attend higher education, and anyone that has a brain should hide that fact or have it beat out of them on a daily basis; after all, sports are far more important. Hmmm...sounds like the perfect system to create slaves to me.
My son is 18. He only read Animal Farm because the teacher gave extra credit for it and he needed it. By in large, those books are part of fewer and fewer people's education. The reason most often given is that the books are too old and therefore the student body can not relate to them. It smells of political agenda to me.
Thankfully the core Python developers have been telling us that continued hardware development of adding more cores is simply not happening. Furthermore, this evolution of continued development is simply wrong, bad, and is silly. To make matters worse, we are all delusional and no one is running more than one core and anyone leveraging more than one core is using their computer poorly and inefficiently.
Thankfully, here very soon, we'll all reason that Intel, AMD, ATI, and NVIDIA are all doing the wrong thing and making use of additional cores (and especially SMP) is always the worst way of increasing concurrency.
In all seriousness, hopefully these guys will realize they are dreaming and actually bother to increase scalability with sane, proper, scalable, and programmer friendly methods for doing so.