This is just an attempt to deflect blame from themselves to the user. When your account gets defrauded, they *will* find something on your computer that does not add-up and indicate that they are not liable. Then what do you do? Sue?
The only real security alternative to this is to distribute hardware security devices that generate a password every 60 seconds or so. Then to sign in, you'd have to provide your username, password and the hardware security device generated number. Then even if your box is 0wned, your money is quite safe.
The bank could then report any failed accesses. They could also block your account if either of the above is not entered correctly more than 3 times in a row, or something like that.
But that would be security. What they are proposing is just an ability to deflect blame for stolen capital from them to you.
No. A man thinks he is more than just a man. That arrogance is what causes man to be so much worse and better than other animals.
A man should just want to be a man. To think. To learn. To explore. To spread. That is what is man. As soon as man thinks that it is more than that, bad and/or good things happen. But since we are still just on one little planet, the bad seem to loom over man's very existence more and more.
Looks good except for one of their scenarios. They indicate it can be used in a relief mission? WTF? Wouldn't water/food/shelter be more important there? Do you need to do any calculations you can't do on a laptop? (or piece of paper for that matter).
Lot of scenarios are OK. But the refuge one really makes no sense.
Transformation is ok provided they do not add or change the contents. If you change the contents of the served request, you are violating copyright of the content provider. Plain and simple.
No, this does not affect popup blockers or some other filtering technologies that censor webpages or parts of webpages. These are OK provided they indicate that part of the content is censored.
It also does not affect anything that occurs because of actions of the end user. For example, add supported net access. The user knows that there will be popups or adds in special area of sites or whatever.
It becomes a copyright issue when it changes
Blah. blah. blah.. </body> </html>
to
Blah. blah. blah..
<p>Get a bigger PeN15! Click <a href="http://www.big.com">here</a> </body> </html>
This is a copyright violation. This is like remixing music and then labeling as the original. You can't do that. It is against the law.
The sender has A LOT better right to sue and to ask for criminal charges. It is their content that gets tampered with. It is their name that gets dragged through the mud.
Think about it. For example, if you go to amazon.com and want to buy a book. First time there. Then your ISP inserts some porn banner into the Amazon's page. You, as a customer of amazon, will say "WTF?" and leave amazon.com thinking they are a bunch of retards that want to take your money if you buy a book or not. You never visit amazon.com again because of the ad. See the problem?
The web browser user doesn't really have a leg to stand on. Maybe they can argue something, but doubt it. The content provider does. This is a copyright violation, defrauding and misrepresenting the content provider.
As a user of FidoNet into the 90s (FidoNet kind of died in the late 90s), I can assure you that there is no "browsing". What FidoNet was is a type of email relay system and news (or usenet) relay system. It worked like a mesh with big nodes and smaller, local nodes.
Some regional nodes had dedicated dial-in access points for upload/download of email as well as other node data exchange. Syncs with other nodes usually occured at predetermined times, not just at night. Only small, single line BBSs synced once a day, at night. It worked beautifully but required a rather large latency. Usually at least a day for the message to disseminate, but in many cases it could take half a week or more to reach someone half the world away.
Anyway, the system worked so much better than modern email. No spam. No HTML. No flamewars (took too long!). Just plain old text.
No. This is NOT GeoCities. GeoCities added adverts to the websites you hosted with them. You knew EXACTLY what they do in return for "free" webspace. This is like getting a colo box so you can reach your customers better (ie. not relying on the shared webhost), make sure you have clean pages to attract customers then some fucker comes along and sticks adds on *your* page without *your* permission.
What GeoCities does is OK. The content provider has to agree.
What some ISPs do in return for free internet is OK too (add popups or whatever) - at least that what used to happen. In this case customers KNOW that the popups are from the ISP. But popups *must* be separate from the webpage, not in it.
But if you come along and *insert* ads on my pages and thus benefit from my work, I have no choice but to sue. That is copyright violation. Period. They are costing the content provider money.
Everyone, please stop talking about natural selection and humans. It does NOT apply. Not for the last few hundred years at least.
We have something called "intellect" and our society is no longer limited by our genes. We are already able to modify our own genes - think ahead 50 years.
Natural selection (aka, human encroachment and exploitation) in other animal species on this planet is now more active than ever before. The current state of affairs is that the current age of man is already one of the great extinctions for plant and animal life, especially tropical and marine species where there was more diversity. But none of this applies to the human beings themselves. Our selection is currently driven by ourselves through things like,
* wealth distribution
* population density in countries
* science (medical sciences)
* wars
* 'ethnic cleansing'
* hate, pride, greed and other primitive motivating factors
* education (plays part in all of the above)
Since humans have used any kind of complex technology to aid their survival, there is no more natural in human selection.
Bullshit. Anyone can release any number of closed source applications on Linux. Most of the libraries that are available for Windows are there in Linux with the same license. Basic API like C library and windowing API like GNOME are 100% free to use in closed source. (KDE is different, but that's a problem with KDE, not Linux or GPL).
It costs *more* money to develop for Windows than does for Linux but the market revenue for Linux is tiny in comparison to Windows. Unless you write some niche app that runs on Linux only because windows sucks in that area (high-performance computing would be one).
So please, stop trolling. Just because there are 2000 GPL libraries in Linux that allow you to do what you want in 2 lines of code doesn't mean you can't use the standard way (writing 500 LOC routines with libc or other BSD libs) and have closed source app. You have to do that on Windows! You have to do that on a Mac!
It is all about *revenue* potential from a platform NOT license issue on Linux! That's why you have more apps for Windows than a Mac and more on a Mac than on Linux (closed source ones, at least). Hope that is clear.
Yes it does. Copying and using the *source* of a GPL application as per the GPL license *restrictions* is no problem according to the letter of the law and to the wishes of the copyright holders. Modifying and not releasing the changes to the GPL application when you release your binary, breaks the license. The law states that you cannot do this. There are real panalties for breaking copyright - financial and even prison sentences (read the Law). Copyright is in Criminal Law (patents are civil law only).
Examples of some projects that could claim damages:
* IBM contributions to Linux - close Linux and IBM would argue that you are essentially stealing their development resources - they'd be correct
* MySQL - very clear dual license model
* Qt - again, very clear dual license model
The last two would result in large damages to be awarded, no question there. The first one would probably result in the same. At least they could insist that any revenue you get is from their work hence they are entitled to all of the revenue (think man-hours worked).
So, when writing the software, at least follow the license.
Just pay them piece work or commission like $0.25 (that's 25 cents, Verizon!) per entry when they make $50 or $200 per ticket. $0.25 is nothing but a human can do 1 every 30 seconds that's still $0.50 / minute or $30/hour. If you are at 1 every 10 seconds, that's $90/hour.
That's a lot of money for not doing much brain work.
Then Safari 3 may just be the web browser of choice for web development. The current one is not *the* best, but with the functionality I thought was missing, it is way ahead of what Microsoft offers. I guess now I have to install Safari 3 beta on my Mac!
Safari shows it in the status bar, which you can show or hide be hitting command-/, or looking in the 'view' menu.
So that's where it is! For some reason I couldn't find that anywhere - I think I was looking for it under a different name. I was looking for this option in Preferences and other places. Now the question is, why is the status bar disabled by default? It makes Safari's default behaviour different from any other browser.
>> I am not trying to troll here >I'm not convinced...
Too bad. I was not. There was something about the email application that was not quite right with IMAP, but I forget. I would have to use it again to see. (sent mail not put in the Sent mail folder like Thunderbird? not sure..)
Why do I say that? Safari as well as the email client on Mac OS X, does NOT list the URL of the link you are about to click on at the bottom of the screen. IMHO, that is a *serious* security risk from other browsers like Firefox or even IE.
I am not trying to troll here, but this is one of the reasons why I do not use Safari on my Mac that often and basically the only reason why I use Thunderbird on the mac instead of the mail client supplied. I do not want to be looking in the sources of the email all the time to see if some email from PayPal is a fraud or the real thing. Aside from spoofing, I also need the URL sometimes when developing web applications. It is faster to just see the URL and not having to have to click it all the time.
Safari by default comes with better order of tabs than Firefox, but the URL thing is something that would prevent me from using it at all. Maybe someone can point me to make the URL visible before clicking??
As far as the fastest browser (RTFA), err, isn't that the domain of Opera? I find Opera to be the fastest browser on any platform. After all, Opera has to run on embedded devices where Safari will probably never do.
b) The gases described by the convention do not include water vapor, which constitutes the bulk of global warming.
This point is where your post turns to nothing more than a troll. And bullshit troll at that!
Get it through your thick, thick skull -- "WATER DOES NOT CAUSE GLOBAL WARMING - WATER IS A HEAT **M*O*D*E*R*A*T*O*R** FOR PLANET EARTH". Call it a giant heatsink. CO2 would also not cause global warming if and only if oceans of CO2 were covering the planet as oceans of water are covering the planet.
Why can't we research and build machines that eat CO2 and turn it into carbon and oxygen?
Those magic devices are called tropical jungles. They soak up more CO2 than anything we can create in our lifetimes. But they are being burnt down on purpose...
Some of your points make sense, but the first one qualifies you as nothing more than an uneducated troll.
In Canada, if you purchase stuff from other provinces, you do not pay that provinces Sales Tax but you still are required to pay local taxes when you "import said service or goods into the province where it is consumed" or something like that. Businesses pay these taxes. Individuals should, but mostly ignore, though there is a crackdown on large ticket items like cars, so you can't really cheat that easily! For example, on software that is imported from Europe, I have to pay provincial sales tax. (No federal tax like GST, because businesses do not pay that).
Anyway, there is a blurry line on non-tangible stuff and services that one does NOT import into the province. For example, server collocation. If I buy it in another province that does not have a sales tax, do I still pay it? The service is in another province, so why would I?
Or, how about domain names? When do I "import" these??
VOIP is more clearcut as you are clearly importing a service there.
For concrete to cure properly, you want water. True, you do not want too much water like a down pour, but you are puring concrete on the gravel, you want the gravel wet. Then when the concrete hardens enough that you can stand on it (about 6 hours in normal conditions), keep it wet. Especially on a sunny day. Lots of water. You don't want it to dry out for up to a week. The longer it takes, the stronger it becomes. You should have seen the horror in the contractors eyes when I started pouring water on the gravel before they even started pouring and then I told them to use 1.5 times the water they normally used! But now when I dropped a 5kg (10lb) hammer from 3m (10ft), it landed on the tip and it barely left any mark. It just bounced like a ball.
Also, 99% of contractors are trying to save money by not putting enough steel reinforcement in concrete pads and walls. Then you end up saving $500 on a garage pad that then cracks next year after a frost. A properly built pad will *never* crack. In my garage, there is about 1ton of steel in the pad. In winter when the ground freezes, the ground (clay) can shift so much that one side of the garage is an inch or two out of the ground! The pad bends (door frame changes shape a bit), but doesn't crack. Yet for some reason everyone still believes in North America that concrete pads always crack! Huh?
Of course, the consumer is screwed in the end when the concrete pads crack and foundations fall apart or you gen high humidity in the basements. (ie. concrete not water proofed - no you can't do it from inside the house!)
Anyway, pour concrete in cloudy weather. If there are showers a bit on and off, it is ok. It it sunny - not good. If it is puring down buckets, well, wait! The concrete needs to settle for 6h+ before you can and should pour buckets of water on it!
PBX is a must. Really. When I installed a PBX with Sipura as a FXO and FXS (3000 does both), ALL of the telemarketing phone calls stopped. When I shut down PBX for a few hours to do some maintenance, I got 2 telemarketers calling. Turned back on, peace! Apparently they don't have any means of pressing an extension number on their computer dialed connections.
The only drawback with Sipura is a somewhat annoying echo. Sometimes it is worse. Sometimes less. Asterisk doesn't have any echo cancellation on SIP channels, but I still prefer external ATA than an internal one. I don't want a $500 card crap out on me when the PS dies or becomes obsolete because Asterisk is no longer supporting old hardware 10 years from now (or PCI becomes obsolete in favour of PCI-X - happened with ISA). External SIP ATA will continue to work as long as there is RJ45 network.
Anyway, that's my input. PBX or telemarketers. Your choice!
PS. One can also configure the PBX to automatically go to voicemail after certain hours so no phone calls at 3:50am. Helpful.
"When does copper rust." As in rust, the verb not the noun.
def: corrode: cause to deteriorate due to the action of water, air, or an acid; "The acid corroded the metal"; "The steady dripping of water rusted the metal stopper in the sink"
Copper rusts. So does aluminum. So does iron.
Rust, the noun, has one definition as iron oxide. For more, look in Google "define: rust"
So, copper rusts but it is probably not correct to say that copper oxidation is rust (or copper rusts (OK) into rust (no)).
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The US has already come up with some "hey no so fast there" rationale to get to it. Let's hope there are no WMDs or bloodshed.
Let's home yanks take their ball and go home. We don't want to burn down the White House again, like in the Canada/US war of 1812!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRwiH18QwpU
This is just an attempt to deflect blame from themselves to the user. When your account gets defrauded, they *will* find something on your computer that does not add-up and indicate that they are not liable. Then what do you do? Sue?
The only real security alternative to this is to distribute hardware security devices that generate a password every 60 seconds or so. Then to sign in, you'd have to provide your username, password and the hardware security device generated number. Then even if your box is 0wned, your money is quite safe.
The bank could then report any failed accesses. They could also block your account if either of the above is not entered correctly more than 3 times in a row, or something like that.
But that would be security. What they are proposing is just an ability to deflect blame for stolen capital from them to you.
Let's lock you up. I mean, maybe you'll do something in the future. To be safe, let's lock you up.
1. I assume you have no problem with that?
2. Society will be safer. *Anyone* can kill. If you are in jail, at least there is one less variable.
So when will you report to the nearest detention center?
But a man wants to be more than a man.
No. A man thinks he is more than just a man. That arrogance is what causes man to be so much worse and better than other animals.
A man should just want to be a man. To think. To learn. To explore. To spread. That is what is man. As soon as man thinks that it is more than that, bad and/or good things happen. But since we are still just on one little planet, the bad seem to loom over man's very existence more and more.
Man, be just a man.
I don't know how they deal with humidity, to be honest.
Dehumidifier?
Looks good except for one of their scenarios. They indicate it can be used in a relief mission? WTF? Wouldn't water/food/shelter be more important there? Do you need to do any calculations you can't do on a laptop? (or piece of paper for that matter).
Lot of scenarios are OK. But the refuge one really makes no sense.
https://photos.sun.com/asset/7553
Transformation is ok provided they do not add or change the contents. If you change the contents of the served request, you are violating copyright of the content provider. Plain and simple.
No, this does not affect popup blockers or some other filtering technologies that censor webpages or parts of webpages. These are OK provided they indicate that part of the content is censored.
It also does not affect anything that occurs because of actions of the end user. For example, add supported net access. The user knows that there will be popups or adds in special area of sites or whatever.
It becomes a copyright issue when it changes
Blah. blah. blah..
</body>
</html>
to
Blah. blah. blah..
<p>Get a bigger PeN15! Click <a href="http://www.big.com">here</a>
</body>
</html>
This is a copyright violation. This is like remixing music and then labeling as the original. You can't do that. It is against the law.
The sender has A LOT better right to sue and to ask for criminal charges. It is their content that gets tampered with. It is their name that gets dragged through the mud.
Think about it. For example, if you go to amazon.com and want to buy a book. First time there. Then your ISP inserts some porn banner into the Amazon's page. You, as a customer of amazon, will say "WTF?" and leave amazon.com thinking they are a bunch of retards that want to take your money if you buy a book or not. You never visit amazon.com again because of the ad. See the problem?
The web browser user doesn't really have a leg to stand on. Maybe they can argue something, but doubt it. The content provider does. This is a copyright violation, defrauding and misrepresenting the content provider.
As a user of FidoNet into the 90s (FidoNet kind of died in the late 90s), I can assure you that there is no "browsing". What FidoNet was is a type of email relay system and news (or usenet) relay system. It worked like a mesh with big nodes and smaller, local nodes.
Some regional nodes had dedicated dial-in access points for upload/download of email as well as other node data exchange. Syncs with other nodes usually occured at predetermined times, not just at night. Only small, single line BBSs synced once a day, at night. It worked beautifully but required a rather large latency. Usually at least a day for the message to disseminate, but in many cases it could take half a week or more to reach someone half the world away.
Anyway, the system worked so much better than modern email. No spam. No HTML. No flamewars (took too long!). Just plain old text.
No. This is NOT GeoCities. GeoCities added adverts to the websites you hosted with them. You knew EXACTLY what they do in return for "free" webspace. This is like getting a colo box so you can reach your customers better (ie. not relying on the shared webhost), make sure you have clean pages to attract customers then some fucker comes along and sticks adds on *your* page without *your* permission.
What GeoCities does is OK. The content provider has to agree.
What some ISPs do in return for free internet is OK too (add popups or whatever) - at least that what used to happen. In this case customers KNOW that the popups are from the ISP. But popups *must* be separate from the webpage, not in it.
But if you come along and *insert* ads on my pages and thus benefit from my work, I have no choice but to sue. That is copyright violation. Period. They are costing the content provider money.
Save me Jebus!!!!!! /Homer
Everyone, please stop talking about natural selection and humans. It does NOT apply. Not for the last few hundred years at least.
We have something called "intellect" and our society is no longer limited by our genes. We are already able to modify our own genes - think ahead 50 years.
Natural selection (aka, human encroachment and exploitation) in other animal species on this planet is now more active than ever before. The current state of affairs is that the current age of man is already one of the great extinctions for plant and animal life, especially tropical and marine species where there was more diversity. But none of this applies to the human beings themselves. Our selection is currently driven by ourselves through things like,
* wealth distribution
* population density in countries
* science (medical sciences)
* wars
* 'ethnic cleansing'
* hate, pride, greed and other primitive motivating factors
* education (plays part in all of the above)
Since humans have used any kind of complex technology to aid their survival, there is no more natural in human selection.
The smart burns 3.7 - 4.6 l/100k. That is 51 - 64 MPG for the disel version of SMART.
Average 4.2 l/100km or 56 MPG
http://www.thesmart.ca/index.cfm?id=4730
Gas gets always crappier millage
Bullshit. Anyone can release any number of closed source applications on Linux. Most of the libraries that are available for Windows are there in Linux with the same license. Basic API like C library and windowing API like GNOME are 100% free to use in closed source. (KDE is different, but that's a problem with KDE, not Linux or GPL).
It costs *more* money to develop for Windows than does for Linux but the market revenue for Linux is tiny in comparison to Windows. Unless you write some niche app that runs on Linux only because windows sucks in that area (high-performance computing would be one).
So please, stop trolling. Just because there are 2000 GPL libraries in Linux that allow you to do what you want in 2 lines of code doesn't mean you can't use the standard way (writing 500 LOC routines with libc or other BSD libs) and have closed source app. You have to do that on Windows! You have to do that on a Mac!
It is all about *revenue* potential from a platform NOT license issue on Linux! That's why you have more apps for Windows than a Mac and more on a Mac than on Linux (closed source ones, at least). Hope that is clear.
Yes it does. Copying and using the *source* of a GPL application as per the GPL license *restrictions* is no problem according to the letter of the law and to the wishes of the copyright holders. Modifying and not releasing the changes to the GPL application when you release your binary, breaks the license. The law states that you cannot do this. There are real panalties for breaking copyright - financial and even prison sentences (read the Law). Copyright is in Criminal Law (patents are civil law only).
Examples of some projects that could claim damages:
* IBM contributions to Linux - close Linux and IBM would argue that you are essentially stealing their development resources - they'd be correct
* MySQL - very clear dual license model
* Qt - again, very clear dual license model
The last two would result in large damages to be awarded, no question there. The first one would probably result in the same. At least they could insist that any revenue you get is from their work hence they are entitled to all of the revenue (think man-hours worked).
So, when writing the software, at least follow the license.
Just pay them piece work or commission like $0.25 (that's 25 cents, Verizon!) per entry when they make $50 or $200 per ticket. $0.25 is nothing but a human can do 1 every 30 seconds that's still $0.50 / minute or $30/hour. If you are at 1 every 10 seconds, that's $90/hour.
That's a lot of money for not doing much brain work.
Then Safari 3 may just be the web browser of choice for web development. The current one is not *the* best, but with the functionality I thought was missing, it is way ahead of what Microsoft offers. I guess now I have to install Safari 3 beta on my Mac!
Safari shows it in the status bar, which you can show or hide be hitting command-/, or looking in the 'view' menu.
So that's where it is! For some reason I couldn't find that anywhere - I think I was looking for it under a different name. I was looking for this option in Preferences and other places. Now the question is, why is the status bar disabled by default? It makes Safari's default behaviour different from any other browser.
>> I am not trying to troll here
>I'm not convinced...
Too bad. I was not. There was something about the email application that was not quite right with IMAP, but I forget. I would have to use it again to see. (sent mail not put in the Sent mail folder like Thunderbird? not sure..)
Why do I say that? Safari as well as the email client on Mac OS X, does NOT list the URL of the link you are about to click on at the bottom of the screen. IMHO, that is a *serious* security risk from other browsers like Firefox or even IE.
I am not trying to troll here, but this is one of the reasons why I do not use Safari on my Mac that often and basically the only reason why I use Thunderbird on the mac instead of the mail client supplied. I do not want to be looking in the sources of the email all the time to see if some email from PayPal is a fraud or the real thing. Aside from spoofing, I also need the URL sometimes when developing web applications. It is faster to just see the URL and not having to have to click it all the time.
Safari by default comes with better order of tabs than Firefox, but the URL thing is something that would prevent me from using it at all. Maybe someone can point me to make the URL visible before clicking??
As far as the fastest browser (RTFA), err, isn't that the domain of Opera? I find Opera to be the fastest browser on any platform. After all, Opera has to run on embedded devices where Safari will probably never do.
Then you post as "Plain Old Text" mode.
See. This is on another line
And so is this.
b) The gases described by the convention do not include water vapor, which constitutes the bulk of global warming.
This point is where your post turns to nothing more than a troll. And bullshit troll at that!
Get it through your thick, thick skull -- "WATER DOES NOT CAUSE GLOBAL WARMING - WATER IS A HEAT **M*O*D*E*R*A*T*O*R** FOR PLANET EARTH". Call it a giant heatsink. CO2 would also not cause global warming if and only if oceans of CO2 were covering the planet as oceans of water are covering the planet.
Why can't we research and build machines that eat CO2 and turn it into carbon and oxygen?
Those magic devices are called tropical jungles. They soak up more CO2 than anything we can create in our lifetimes. But they are being burnt down on purpose...
Some of your points make sense, but the first one qualifies you as nothing more than an uneducated troll.
In Canada, if you purchase stuff from other provinces, you do not pay that provinces Sales Tax but you still are required to pay local taxes when you "import said service or goods into the province where it is consumed" or something like that. Businesses pay these taxes. Individuals should, but mostly ignore, though there is a crackdown on large ticket items like cars, so you can't really cheat that easily! For example, on software that is imported from Europe, I have to pay provincial sales tax. (No federal tax like GST, because businesses do not pay that).
Anyway, there is a blurry line on non-tangible stuff and services that one does NOT import into the province. For example, server collocation. If I buy it in another province that does not have a sales tax, do I still pay it? The service is in another province, so why would I?
Or, how about domain names? When do I "import" these??
VOIP is more clearcut as you are clearly importing a service there.
For concrete to cure properly, you want water. True, you do not want too much water like a down pour, but you are puring concrete on the gravel, you want the gravel wet. Then when the concrete hardens enough that you can stand on it (about 6 hours in normal conditions), keep it wet. Especially on a sunny day. Lots of water. You don't want it to dry out for up to a week. The longer it takes, the stronger it becomes. You should have seen the horror in the contractors eyes when I started pouring water on the gravel before they even started pouring and then I told them to use 1.5 times the water they normally used! But now when I dropped a 5kg (10lb) hammer from 3m (10ft), it landed on the tip and it barely left any mark. It just bounced like a ball.
Also, 99% of contractors are trying to save money by not putting enough steel reinforcement in concrete pads and walls. Then you end up saving $500 on a garage pad that then cracks next year after a frost. A properly built pad will *never* crack. In my garage, there is about 1ton of steel in the pad. In winter when the ground freezes, the ground (clay) can shift so much that one side of the garage is an inch or two out of the ground! The pad bends (door frame changes shape a bit), but doesn't crack. Yet for some reason everyone still believes in North America that concrete pads always crack! Huh?
Of course, the consumer is screwed in the end when the concrete pads crack and foundations fall apart or you gen high humidity in the basements. (ie. concrete not water proofed - no you can't do it from inside the house!)
Anyway, pour concrete in cloudy weather. If there are showers a bit on and off, it is ok. It it sunny - not good. If it is puring down buckets, well, wait! The concrete needs to settle for 6h+ before you can and should pour buckets of water on it!
PBX is a must. Really. When I installed a PBX with Sipura as a FXO and FXS (3000 does both), ALL of the telemarketing phone calls stopped. When I shut down PBX for a few hours to do some maintenance, I got 2 telemarketers calling. Turned back on, peace! Apparently they don't have any means of pressing an extension number on their computer dialed connections.
The only drawback with Sipura is a somewhat annoying echo. Sometimes it is worse. Sometimes less. Asterisk doesn't have any echo cancellation on SIP channels, but I still prefer external ATA than an internal one. I don't want a $500 card crap out on me when the PS dies or becomes obsolete because Asterisk is no longer supporting old hardware 10 years from now (or PCI becomes obsolete in favour of PCI-X - happened with ISA). External SIP ATA will continue to work as long as there is RJ45 network.
Anyway, that's my input. PBX or telemarketers. Your choice!
PS. One can also configure the PBX to automatically go to voicemail after certain hours so no phone calls at 3:50am. Helpful.
"When does copper rust." As in rust, the verb not the noun.
def: corrode: cause to deteriorate due to the action of water, air, or an acid; "The acid corroded the metal"; "The steady dripping of water rusted the metal stopper in the sink"
Copper rusts. So does aluminum. So does iron.
Rust, the noun, has one definition as iron oxide. For more, look in Google "define: rust"
So, copper rusts but it is probably not correct to say that copper oxidation is rust (or copper rusts (OK) into rust (no)).