I mean the annoyance factor, you keep being a good user and hitting cancel to install the software and it just keeps automatically reloading so the user can never get out of it without losing all their stuff.
With the restore session feature you could end the task and the be right back where you left on when you re-opened FF. I think devious is the right word but I'd be open to a few other adjectives like annoying or irritating.
I ran into this when I visited a site that another admin got the Antivirus 2008 trojan from. Of course I'm on Ubuntu so I was pretty sure simply visiting the site wouldn't cause any problems. I kept getting prompted to install it so I just found out what link it kept calling and just modified my hosts file to point it to localhost and then I got out of it like I should.
The whole point is that if it's a production machine that hundreds or perhaps thousands use then you won't want to use an experimental file system otherwise it's a dev envrionment in which case it won't see anywhere near real world work loads plus it can take years for disk failures which to my knowledge are almost impossible to simulate.
You think validating the integrity of a filesystem is easy??!?!?
That's insane, first of all, you won't know how it performs unless you give it real world usage complete with disk failures. There are hundreds of file systems which can store data but how they handle problems are what separates most of them. Of course there are other distinctions but the failure mode scenarios are what most interest an admin as failure is never a question of it, only a question of when. Simulating certain failure modes is exceedingly difficult to do.
Have you been able to speed up boot time? I too install the Netbook Remix and it seems to take forever, especially since I upgraded to 8.1. Battery life seems pretty poor as well when compared in my case to the Linspire that it came with.
What the hell? You have to re-attach databases? I've been using SQL 2005 since 2005 and have never run into that in clustered, mirrored, replicated, or even Oracle published environments.
The only hiccups ever encountered are around restores of backups to different servers which can sometimes be tricky if there are connections that refuse to close on the destination DB.
If you're having to re-attach it sounds like there is something wrong with the install or maybe I've been exceptionally lucky. I would classify any bug that requires you to re-attach a database to be critical though as database availability is paramount in most cases.
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The theory is that you pay a company to manage and monitor it for you so when the backhoe cuts the fiber which you should have going to two directions anyways then that company would initiate the process which is why you need some form of a virtual routing like XRRP provides.
The issues you bring up about payment are valid ones and the risks are mitigated with a larger install base or by paying annually like is done with property taxes. Alternatively the process could run at a slight profit with the extra funds going into an interest baring account which would pay the empty house portion. It's pretty fair that way. Of course the HOA would have to manage that fund which could introduce other problems but logistics are always a pain to solve.
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Why is this too much work? You're not talking thousands of homes, you're theoretically talking at most a couple of hundred which can easily be serviced by two routers utilizing XRRP or some kind of redundant routing protocol. Firewalls would still be left to people in their own homes. All it would do is provide a pass-through assigning Internet facing addresses provided people can get enough addresses for a reasonable price.
The only way it gets tricky is if you have to NAT anything or if you want to go IPv6 on the community facing loop while IPv4 out the Internet. Monitoring companies can keep track of the device once it's install for quite reasonable fees at that.
Do you know how much Global Relay costs? I'm looking at setting up a DR site and archiving content there, I would be interesting if these guys are cheaper than me doing it myself at IO Data.
It might have been better had the parent suggested SFTP which would be slightly encrypted as compared to email which can be heavily encrypted on the back-end for sensitive content.
Parent clearly isn't responsible for email for a corporate entity as much of what he says conflicts with their interests as you effectively pointed out.
Your statement doesn't make sense. Exchange supports and automatically takes advantage of single instance storage right out of the box. What do you need 3rd party software for that disables it?
I run Exchange on a NetApp SAN so everything gets deduped and archived to tier 2 storage if it hasn't been accessed within 90 days. Tier 2 is a lot SATA disks that are backed up to tape. It's not even an expensive solution when you start talking about the cost of enterprise storage.
Why would image based signatures take up a lot of space? You would only need to store it physical once and then the rest of the emails use links to the content when they are opened. If I recall they went to Exchange so they have single-instance storage available to them right out of the box.
Archiving 20TB of content is not a significant problem at all and could be done in less than 30 days from scratch. All you need is your SAN of choice, mine would be NetApp where 20TB is pretty much the starting capacity and then a tape library for long term storage. Hell for 20TB you could rig up something for less than 300k that would last for quite a long time as you would obviously want to make multiple tapes of the content. At 800gigs per tape with LTO4 thats not even that many tapes. I don't understand why even 140TB is hard for them to manage. It doesn't sound like these guys would last very long in the corporate world. I put together a 90tb SAN in two months and I'd never done it before. Surely they have people familiar with it SANs already on staff?
Fair enough although not an everyday task as changing extensions is something that is unlikely to occur for the common user.
I've noticed when modifying permissions that it makes me go through three or four hoops as well but again it's not an everyday task or even one a common user would perform.
They would be one of very few operating systems if that were the case. ATI drivers here on Ubuntu cause lock-ups all the time, sometimes I can't even ctrl+alt+backspace to restart X.
In short, people are idiots and it is up to developer and administrators to do their jobs properly. All the issues out there are as results of lazy programmers or administrators or both.
What everyday task does Vista bug you about authorizing?
I've heard this a number of times how it nags people and that the initial release was rough but since SP1 I only see allow or deny when its something I'm doing intentionally that administrative related like installing an update to a program.
I'm genuinely interested in this since I manage a lot of Windows machines and sooner or later I'll have to deal with common complaints or face turning UAC off.
I agree with you but the end result is that this woman sees no penalty for her actions since new laws cannot be applied to crimes that have already been committed.
It's a rock and a hard place and there should be this much debate when overreaching occurs. It's a question of how you deal with the giant gray area that the law doesn't necessarily cover and the base assumption is that you do nothing unless there is a statute making it a crime.
I don't see too many people thinking doing nothing is an acceptable outcome even if it is best for the rule of law as a whole.
I would tend to say detaining more than a hundred thousand people to catch one thousand people is a method which does not work.
Random samplings of passengers would most likely have similar yields of 18 years flying while carrying their fake ID so they can drink when they get to where they are going.
While I agree with your principles there's also the problem that a lot of end-user applications lack the polish people expect. Open Office for one is not nearly as functional or well support as regular MS Office. I create dynamic data-driven spreadsheets for reporting on the fly with Excel. To keep all this functionality I run Windows inside a VM as it's just easier that way. Battery life is also atrocious with Ubuntu at least from what I'm seeing.
While the tools are getting better unless it's a scaled down interface like in a netbook scenario it's just not going to be sufficient for an end-user. I like that Aspire One with the built in webcam stuff but the chat app it comes with won't work with Windows Live or AIM video so other people have to change their clients to support it.
Naturally I don't blame the developers of say Pidgin for the lack of support for something that is completely out of their control, as long as users lose any functionality they won't be interested in switching.
Personally I love it, but for a general purpose workstation it's not ready.
Worth noting that every IT shop with more than 40 machines should be prototyping machines so come deployment time all the little bugs should be worked out so you can find the cad replacement program, the email alternative, you can integrate Active Directory authentication and provide single-sign-on. These are all actually quite difficult challenges that took me several days to properly nail down and I've had Linux experience. For Windows shops converting it's a whole lot of pain for very little gain considering for the most part, computers come with Windows so it doesn't cost extra.
Server wise is where Linux will continue to make gains as that is what it has proven it can do very well. At some point the threshold will get high enough that moving to Linux as a client will start to make a lot of sense.
As a side note here, socialism isn't a dirty word for every American and a great many people do vote for third parties.
You simply cannot paint the American people with one brush, the strength of the country has always been through participation of people with opposing ideals. It forces everyone to compromise and make decisions for the greater good.
Quite naturally this system isn't perfect and the last 8 years are pretty solid evidence that we still have a lot more work to do. Still, America's population is the most diverse of any other nation with some shifts happening in other countries as they realize that if a German scientist has the solution to your problem, you hire the scientist rather than focusing your efforts on reconstructing his work on your own.
I won't say there aren't imperialists in government and that a lot of people even support them but there are also lots of socialists which is evidenced through our social security and medicare systems which are in the process of getting expanded.
It's a giant pendulum which swings from back and forth letting us try new strategies which doesn't always work out for the best but we have to keep trying, adjusting as we go.
CIFS support works pretty darned well? Why do I have literally millions for files totaling terabytes of space with._filename?
Top it off, my Windows file servers at least routinely see locks against 10s of thousands of files that only go away if the user drags the drive to the trash on OS X which seems way the hell counter intuitive for me as I see that as deleting everything on the network drive.
File transfer over the network seems atrociously slow which is not a problem my Ubuntu installation has right out of install. I thought it was a Windows issue until I did it against a NetApp SAN. Same slow disk write performance over the network across six different Macs, 4 of which are just installs with OS X up to date. I'm told it's a problem with how they acknowledge packets during transmission but it's been a problem for years!
You're right about memory swapping though, no matter what you do it's going to have a high cost so why do it at all if you have plenty of available memory?
Also, for additional info, I had six GRAID boxes formatted with HFS+, I tried copying from the Mac box and it took 20 hours to do 700gigs. I copied the same files to the same location using the same network drop but with my Ubuntu laptop and I did 1.6TB in 12 hours using USB 2.0 as opposed to Firewire 800 on the Mac.
Why on earth would you want to waste time sending the same picture to ten of your friends at different times because they became interested. It makes more sense to post content and interested people can see what you want to share.
No one is advocating replacing face to face interactions, Myspace hookups are quite common with people meeting friends of friends first online and then in real life.
As for distant friends, are you saying email is the same as chatting in real time? Why not choose to call them on the phone instead of email? Are you too lazy to pick up the phone and call them? There is plenty of room for all kinds of communication. No, none of it is necessary, neither is posting on Slashdot, we do it for entertainment and as such, Myspace and Facebook are quite entertaining for millions of people.
Finally, for meeting friends close to me, I'm at work a lot, so are several of my friends, we plan events and collaborate online to get it all organized. Social tools can be very handy when used appropriately. I've also become friends with people I don't get to interact with very often by messaging on Myspace. So then when schedules line up we get together in real life and much fun is had by all.
I really don't understand your hostility towards social networking. People that create drama on Myspace also unsurprisingly create drama in real life so where's the harm?
We aren't lazy, we are legitimately busy people who want to arrange our social time so that we will have fun while we're out rather than going out on our own and risk not meeting anyone worth talking to.
It's a difference in use of vocabulary. You are correct in that there is no digital film. Film cameras refer to either a type of camera which you are using or a grade of camera which I am using. Something they use to film a blockbuster movie with would not be stored on film if it's in HD or higher resolution.
The term is still called filming though. When you shoot a scene you usually say I am filming this 67 Shelby at sunrise even if you aren't using film in your camera. There's no real reason to change the vocabulary just because it all went HD and digital.
I was under the impression that film cameras cost upwards of 110k for HD with no analog conversion since all the HD transmission methods are digital.
Of course the camera itself is about 65k, but then you need a lens for it which bumps it up especially if you need multiple different types of lenses since they all have to be custom made.
I do wonder how effective that would be, my grandfather with in the CCC and was involved in building the Hoover dam.
Did this actually help with the depression?
Also they lost more than $700b, that was just the amount they needed to stay solvent. Alan Greenspan's reaction was priceless saying that he'd expected banks to take reasonable risks and not commit suicide. It was in their own interests to self-regulate but surprise surprise, greed won out.
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I mean the annoyance factor, you keep being a good user and hitting cancel to install the software and it just keeps automatically reloading so the user can never get out of it without losing all their stuff.
With the restore session feature you could end the task and the be right back where you left on when you re-opened FF. I think devious is the right word but I'd be open to a few other adjectives like annoying or irritating.
I ran into this when I visited a site that another admin got the Antivirus 2008 trojan from. Of course I'm on Ubuntu so I was pretty sure simply visiting the site wouldn't cause any problems. I kept getting prompted to install it so I just found out what link it kept calling and just modified my hosts file to point it to localhost and then I got out of it like I should.
Pretty devious exploit though.
How do you propose to "put some load" on it?
The whole point is that if it's a production machine that hundreds or perhaps thousands use then you won't want to use an experimental file system otherwise it's a dev envrionment in which case it won't see anywhere near real world work loads plus it can take years for disk failures which to my knowledge are almost impossible to simulate.
There's nothing simple or easy about it.
You think validating the integrity of a filesystem is easy??!?!?
That's insane, first of all, you won't know how it performs unless you give it real world usage complete with disk failures. There are hundreds of file systems which can store data but how they handle problems are what separates most of them. Of course there are other distinctions but the failure mode scenarios are what most interest an admin as failure is never a question of it, only a question of when. Simulating certain failure modes is exceedingly difficult to do.
Have you been able to speed up boot time? I too install the Netbook Remix and it seems to take forever, especially since I upgraded to 8.1. Battery life seems pretty poor as well when compared in my case to the Linspire that it came with.
What the hell? You have to re-attach databases? I've been using SQL 2005 since 2005 and have never run into that in clustered, mirrored, replicated, or even Oracle published environments.
The only hiccups ever encountered are around restores of backups to different servers which can sometimes be tricky if there are connections that refuse to close on the destination DB.
If you're having to re-attach it sounds like there is something wrong with the install or maybe I've been exceptionally lucky. I would classify any bug that requires you to re-attach a database to be critical though as database availability is paramount in most cases.
The theory is that you pay a company to manage and monitor it for you so when the backhoe cuts the fiber which you should have going to two directions anyways then that company would initiate the process which is why you need some form of a virtual routing like XRRP provides.
The issues you bring up about payment are valid ones and the risks are mitigated with a larger install base or by paying annually like is done with property taxes. Alternatively the process could run at a slight profit with the extra funds going into an interest baring account which would pay the empty house portion. It's pretty fair that way. Of course the HOA would have to manage that fund which could introduce other problems but logistics are always a pain to solve.
Why is this too much work? You're not talking thousands of homes, you're theoretically talking at most a couple of hundred which can easily be serviced by two routers utilizing XRRP or some kind of redundant routing protocol. Firewalls would still be left to people in their own homes. All it would do is provide a pass-through assigning Internet facing addresses provided people can get enough addresses for a reasonable price.
The only way it gets tricky is if you have to NAT anything or if you want to go IPv6 on the community facing loop while IPv4 out the Internet. Monitoring companies can keep track of the device once it's install for quite reasonable fees at that.
Do you know how much Global Relay costs? I'm looking at setting up a DR site and archiving content there, I would be interesting if these guys are cheaper than me doing it myself at IO Data.
It might have been better had the parent suggested SFTP which would be slightly encrypted as compared to email which can be heavily encrypted on the back-end for sensitive content.
Parent clearly isn't responsible for email for a corporate entity as much of what he says conflicts with their interests as you effectively pointed out.
Your statement doesn't make sense. Exchange supports and automatically takes advantage of single instance storage right out of the box. What do you need 3rd party software for that disables it?
I run Exchange on a NetApp SAN so everything gets deduped and archived to tier 2 storage if it hasn't been accessed within 90 days. Tier 2 is a lot SATA disks that are backed up to tape. It's not even an expensive solution when you start talking about the cost of enterprise storage.
Why would image based signatures take up a lot of space? You would only need to store it physical once and then the rest of the emails use links to the content when they are opened. If I recall they went to Exchange so they have single-instance storage available to them right out of the box.
Archiving 20TB of content is not a significant problem at all and could be done in less than 30 days from scratch. All you need is your SAN of choice, mine would be NetApp where 20TB is pretty much the starting capacity and then a tape library for long term storage. Hell for 20TB you could rig up something for less than 300k that would last for quite a long time as you would obviously want to make multiple tapes of the content. At 800gigs per tape with LTO4 thats not even that many tapes. I don't understand why even 140TB is hard for them to manage. It doesn't sound like these guys would last very long in the corporate world. I put together a 90tb SAN in two months and I'd never done it before. Surely they have people familiar with it SANs already on staff?
Fair enough although not an everyday task as changing extensions is something that is unlikely to occur for the common user.
I've noticed when modifying permissions that it makes me go through three or four hoops as well but again it's not an everyday task or even one a common user would perform.
They would be one of very few operating systems if that were the case. ATI drivers here on Ubuntu cause lock-ups all the time, sometimes I can't even ctrl+alt+backspace to restart X.
In short, people are idiots and it is up to developer and administrators to do their jobs properly. All the issues out there are as results of lazy programmers or administrators or both.
What everyday task does Vista bug you about authorizing?
I've heard this a number of times how it nags people and that the initial release was rough but since SP1 I only see allow or deny when its something I'm doing intentionally that administrative related like installing an update to a program.
I'm genuinely interested in this since I manage a lot of Windows machines and sooner or later I'll have to deal with common complaints or face turning UAC off.
I agree with you but the end result is that this woman sees no penalty for her actions since new laws cannot be applied to crimes that have already been committed.
It's a rock and a hard place and there should be this much debate when overreaching occurs. It's a question of how you deal with the giant gray area that the law doesn't necessarily cover and the base assumption is that you do nothing unless there is a statute making it a crime.
I don't see too many people thinking doing nothing is an acceptable outcome even if it is best for the rule of law as a whole.
I would tend to say detaining more than a hundred thousand people to catch one thousand people is a method which does not work.
Random samplings of passengers would most likely have similar yields of 18 years flying while carrying their fake ID so they can drink when they get to where they are going.
Ahhh the old days when Buicks weren't just fold old folks and the Chinese.
I can't believe its one of the top selling cars in China to this day.
Grand National would be something to bring back though.
While I agree with your principles there's also the problem that a lot of end-user applications lack the polish people expect. Open Office for one is not nearly as functional or well support as regular MS Office. I create dynamic data-driven spreadsheets for reporting on the fly with Excel. To keep all this functionality I run Windows inside a VM as it's just easier that way. Battery life is also atrocious with Ubuntu at least from what I'm seeing.
While the tools are getting better unless it's a scaled down interface like in a netbook scenario it's just not going to be sufficient for an end-user. I like that Aspire One with the built in webcam stuff but the chat app it comes with won't work with Windows Live or AIM video so other people have to change their clients to support it.
Naturally I don't blame the developers of say Pidgin for the lack of support for something that is completely out of their control, as long as users lose any functionality they won't be interested in switching.
Personally I love it, but for a general purpose workstation it's not ready.
Worth noting that every IT shop with more than 40 machines should be prototyping machines so come deployment time all the little bugs should be worked out so you can find the cad replacement program, the email alternative, you can integrate Active Directory authentication and provide single-sign-on. These are all actually quite difficult challenges that took me several days to properly nail down and I've had Linux experience. For Windows shops converting it's a whole lot of pain for very little gain considering for the most part, computers come with Windows so it doesn't cost extra.
Server wise is where Linux will continue to make gains as that is what it has proven it can do very well. At some point the threshold will get high enough that moving to Linux as a client will start to make a lot of sense.
As a side note here, socialism isn't a dirty word for every American and a great many people do vote for third parties.
You simply cannot paint the American people with one brush, the strength of the country has always been through participation of people with opposing ideals. It forces everyone to compromise and make decisions for the greater good.
Quite naturally this system isn't perfect and the last 8 years are pretty solid evidence that we still have a lot more work to do. Still, America's population is the most diverse of any other nation with some shifts happening in other countries as they realize that if a German scientist has the solution to your problem, you hire the scientist rather than focusing your efforts on reconstructing his work on your own.
I won't say there aren't imperialists in government and that a lot of people even support them but there are also lots of socialists which is evidenced through our social security and medicare systems which are in the process of getting expanded.
It's a giant pendulum which swings from back and forth letting us try new strategies which doesn't always work out for the best but we have to keep trying, adjusting as we go.
CIFS support works pretty darned well? Why do I have literally millions for files totaling terabytes of space with ._filename?
Top it off, my Windows file servers at least routinely see locks against 10s of thousands of files that only go away if the user drags the drive to the trash on OS X which seems way the hell counter intuitive for me as I see that as deleting everything on the network drive.
File transfer over the network seems atrociously slow which is not a problem my Ubuntu installation has right out of install. I thought it was a Windows issue until I did it against a NetApp SAN. Same slow disk write performance over the network across six different Macs, 4 of which are just installs with OS X up to date. I'm told it's a problem with how they acknowledge packets during transmission but it's been a problem for years!
You're right about memory swapping though, no matter what you do it's going to have a high cost so why do it at all if you have plenty of available memory?
Also, for additional info, I had six GRAID boxes formatted with HFS+, I tried copying from the Mac box and it took 20 hours to do 700gigs. I copied the same files to the same location using the same network drop but with my Ubuntu laptop and I did 1.6TB in 12 hours using USB 2.0 as opposed to Firewire 800 on the Mac.
Why on earth would you want to waste time sending the same picture to ten of your friends at different times because they became interested. It makes more sense to post content and interested people can see what you want to share.
No one is advocating replacing face to face interactions, Myspace hookups are quite common with people meeting friends of friends first online and then in real life.
As for distant friends, are you saying email is the same as chatting in real time? Why not choose to call them on the phone instead of email? Are you too lazy to pick up the phone and call them? There is plenty of room for all kinds of communication. No, none of it is necessary, neither is posting on Slashdot, we do it for entertainment and as such, Myspace and Facebook are quite entertaining for millions of people.
Finally, for meeting friends close to me, I'm at work a lot, so are several of my friends, we plan events and collaborate online to get it all organized. Social tools can be very handy when used appropriately. I've also become friends with people I don't get to interact with very often by messaging on Myspace. So then when schedules line up we get together in real life and much fun is had by all.
I really don't understand your hostility towards social networking. People that create drama on Myspace also unsurprisingly create drama in real life so where's the harm?
We aren't lazy, we are legitimately busy people who want to arrange our social time so that we will have fun while we're out rather than going out on our own and risk not meeting anyone worth talking to.
It's a difference in use of vocabulary. You are correct in that there is no digital film. Film cameras refer to either a type of camera which you are using or a grade of camera which I am using. Something they use to film a blockbuster movie with would not be stored on film if it's in HD or higher resolution.
The term is still called filming though. When you shoot a scene you usually say I am filming this 67 Shelby at sunrise even if you aren't using film in your camera. There's no real reason to change the vocabulary just because it all went HD and digital.
I was under the impression that film cameras cost upwards of 110k for HD with no analog conversion since all the HD transmission methods are digital.
Of course the camera itself is about 65k, but then you need a lens for it which bumps it up especially if you need multiple different types of lenses since they all have to be custom made.
I do wonder how effective that would be, my grandfather with in the CCC and was involved in building the Hoover dam.
Did this actually help with the depression?
Also they lost more than $700b, that was just the amount they needed to stay solvent. Alan Greenspan's reaction was priceless saying that he'd expected banks to take reasonable risks and not commit suicide. It was in their own interests to self-regulate but surprise surprise, greed won out.