Ninja please. If a company needs their website to survive/profit/whatever in their target areas of the world, and they *choose to not register/renew the name*, how is it his fault? No one is stealing anything. They decided they didn't need/want whatever domain, he decided it was worth picking up.
How would this be any different if it was the real world? If someone doesn't pay their taxes on their land, loses it and someone comes in and makes a profit buying it then... what? Or is it just because it is the internet that they are suddenly a "bad person"?
The only people at fault are the idiots that didn't renew. The only difference between someone accidentally owning a "prime domain" (firefox.com) and gladly selling it and him is that his is a business model while the other is a fortunate circumstance. Sure in my example firefox got lucky and he donated the name, but he was damn well within his right to charge for it. Or are you saying that anyone that has a similar domain to any "bigger fish" has to automatically pass over any and all rights to their property?
Whether we want to admit it or not, there are people who just don't care about the internet and what is on it. Most people here do care - in most cases we are heavily involved with it daily so it just seems foreign to us that "they just don't get it!"
I agree with most of what you say. Governments absolutely need legitimate sources of income. However, the devils advocate part falls apart when looked at closely. A person is no more "doing business in the home" with an internet purchase than they are using a phone call/mail order catalog. Are you saying because their voice says "yes I'll buy it" or their hand puts a stamp on the envelope that these businesses should also pay taxes? I would have to disagree with that.
The transaction takes place remotely, not at home. And there is a reason for not having to pay taxes if you are not a business in that state. (The tax rate/structure can be complicated!) To try to force any Joe-shmo with a small internet store to deal with the entire country tax code is not remotely feasible.
Also, people generally tend not to care about their sensitive data?
Actually, the average person doesn't give a hoot at all about security. They just care that they can get to their stuff. The average user most likely isn't going to understand that this "service/software" doesn't work off their machine.
But keep in mind that it will impact the performance of their main device.
Maybe not. Others upthread made a good point about how it appears that this "is an API over a peer to peer network". If that was the case, who says the primary seed isn't your machine? That would remove some of the speed concerns.
I agree with you, but the problem is that you cannot design a system that is everything to everyone. If you design something that is exploit proof and with no way to abuse, I would dare say you have made yourself an extremely boring game. It is all about trade offs. Granted I am so far from an expert I should shut up now, but in for a penny...
For a large percentage of cases I think you are correct. The flaw is in the design. But even the best of designs will have paths of abuse. And if the design is as correct as you can get it (or want to get it) then an arms race is a perfectly acceptable solution. All you have to do is manage the reward / punishment scale. Then again I'm from the camp that people who live to exploit like that should simply be thrown out.
BTW, What next? Have NPCs rob random characters which aren't even logged on? Depends on the type of offense we are talking about. If it is an easily provable example? (Lets say its the UO example and 10 players hold 90% of the iron. - Again I think this is a bad example as a better design was the way to go.) Hell I'd do it to their face. Nothing like spawning "unkillable" thieves who completely strip a character down. But I wouldn't just take the iron. I would take *everything* they own. Being the vindictive type I would probably either boot them afterwards or make them start from scratch. Probably boot'em though.
I understand (and agree with) just about all of your points. But no one ever thinks of the overall picture when something becomes unbalanced like that. There are other ways to address world issues when they get skewed, and they may have nothing to do with the problem at hand.
Using your UO metal example, were I to tackle that problem my answer would be to either
drop a way for extremely smart talented players to "hit" the banks and take the stuff. (Admittedly this would create as many problems as it solves.)
Have some NPC group start hitting the banks, as the payoff was way too high.
in either case the stuff would end up released into the world again and that problem is solved.
While it is unfortunate, a game really needs to be designed to minimize the impact of the 0.1% of the assholes that will play it.
So, you fix your own car problems? Repair your plumbing? Electrical? Paint your house? Give yourself stitches? Build your own computer monitors from parts? Sew your own clothing? Think about the freeeedoooooooooooom if you get the parts you want for your car! You have the freeeeeedooooooooom to choose higher quality denim for your jeans! And they will fit you exactly!
Please just stop. This is such an old story. Facts are facts. 99% of the population of the world do not give one shit as to the details behind a computer. Just as you (most likely) don't care what goes into how your clothing is made. You just want to get it, use it, and move on. Period. Fullstop.
Until you do all the above (don't forget grow your own food!) you have no right to tell people their time needs to be wasted doing things they most likely don't care for.
If you don't want to see Linux widely adopted then this does not apply to you. If you do want widespread adoption you need to understand (and cater to) the larger audience. And that means making all the choices for the average user. They should be able to click "next", "next", "next", "finished". And from there have a fully functional PC.
And I'll tell you. I want my machine to work for period. After installing a new program/piece of hardware, I don't want to spend a single second doing anything other than launching said install/using said hardware.
Fuck 2 weeks of Google searches, multiple www.some_guy.org/kinda_hack/pleasework.tar attempts, and said hacks work-for-80%-of-the-time-then-die bullshit. All of which I've run into every time I attempt to make the switch.
Oh, and I would prefer not to use Windows. Hate Windows in fact. (They can stick their pipe dreams of DRM up their ass.) I *like* the idea that the code can be seen. However my desire to get something done is a higher priority. Is that too much to ask? The OS isn't my life, hell the computer isn't my life. I just want to use it to accomplish things.
I'll take any driver I can get my hands on to get the job done.
To be totally honest, I am actually on your side. I really believe in "The Transparent Society" as an ideal. Just a fatally flawed and unworkable one when you factor in human nature. People will often take something harmless and form a judgment on it.
In this era of "let everyone know everything" how often do you think your career would be impacted if it was easy to find out you liked, say cross dressing? (I can see he has purchased $10,000 in high heels!) Furries? (No idea what you would shop for or search on here.) Or some other trivial thing that a company you *could* have worked for but never got the opportunity due to some preconceived notion? Health insurance upping my rates because I buy cigarettes all the time for my grandmother? Or even just workplace attitudes? (That guy makes 1/2 what I do he must be a real fuckwit!)
And don't even get me started on how we know it would really play out. The government/corporations want all the transparency in the world, about you. Do you really expect should this all come to pass that they would practice what they preach? For that matter do you really believe that those with power/money/influence will be held to the same standards as the average Joe?
Obviously, if you're living in Area 51 this doesn't apply. But for the vast majority of people what do we really have that is so important.
So, what we consider secret doesn't matter. What the government says goes... got it.
I'm sure there a loads more types of secret but I'm just at a loss to know what the big secrets that Google can possibly know that we all need to get upset about the erosion of our civil liberties.
Answer? Absolutely anything I don't feel should be shared. I don't care if it is something as trivial as eye color. Just because I use a computer to hold information (and use services) does not give blanket permission for any/all to know everything about me.
Personally I would be happiest if any and all information like this required sign-off by who I consider the true owner of the data. That is the person that created it. (IE actually bought something)
I understand (and fully support) your desire for backward compatibility. But there are cases when you can't use on "onclick" handler with a valid URL in the href attribute.
Try passing "this" into a function in the onclick handler to see what I mean. One of my "bag of tricks" to keep JS out of pages is to add attributes to DOM elements like "some_kind_of_id='42'" then pass the element in "onclick='letsDoSomethingWithThatId(this)'". The DOM is broken in this regard as you end up with a reference to the URL and not the element. Major PITA. So I use and and anything else that is handy to submit my clicks.
Again, you are very right. Just not in all cases.
The "White Hat" types are *not* actually both. What they are doing is helping define the content in the optimum way to increase rank. And the whole reason that "makes the web a better place" is that when it does place higher on the search engine it will be likely you will stay once you click.
"Black Hat" types could give a crap what you are selling. Hits == $$.
You are kidding, right? Maybe silly flash games, or online poker don't take much. But what about when Billy is surfing pr0n, Sue is downloading music, and this guy decides to take something like Halo for a spin? He'll make 56k users look like local lan users.
Maybe he doesn't need OC3, but he sure as hell is gonna need more than a regular line.
Exactly. He may be given (as just happened here in Prov RI) 2 days notice to pack his crap and get out of there. Can he afford to walk away with *nothing* in return?
For what it is worth, I agree with you. The smartest move to make in this current market it to get into real estate. Stocks come and go, bonds rise and fall, but land is going nowhere.
Besides once he has a house he can then do what he damn well pleases for WAP.
I usually have about 3 weeks between fixes before my less computer literate family members have foobar'd their system again. And always with the same crap. For god sakes people if I tell you *not* to download something, don't! Especially when I give them an alternative. (Kazaa Lite people!!! Lite!) Of course I have avoided said family now for 6 months to save myself the headaches.
Seriously, it is like a slap in the face when they come begging for your help and turn around and ignore you.
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Ninja please. If a company needs their website to survive/profit/whatever in their target areas of the world, and they *choose to not register/renew the name*, how is it his fault? No one is stealing anything. They decided they didn't need/want whatever domain, he decided it was worth picking up.
How would this be any different if it was the real world? If someone doesn't pay their taxes on their land, loses it and someone comes in and makes a profit buying it then... what? Or is it just because it is the internet that they are suddenly a "bad person"?
The only people at fault are the idiots that didn't renew. The only difference between someone accidentally owning a "prime domain" (firefox.com) and gladly selling it and him is that his is a business model while the other is a fortunate circumstance. Sure in my example firefox got lucky and he donated the name, but he was damn well within his right to charge for it. Or are you saying that anyone that has a similar domain to any "bigger fish" has to automatically pass over any and all rights to their property?
Whether we want to admit it or not, there are people who just don't care about the internet and what is on it. Most people here do care - in most cases we are heavily involved with it daily so it just seems foreign to us that "they just don't get it!"
I don't see this as a bad thing, just different.
I agree with most of what you say. Governments absolutely need legitimate sources of income. However, the devils advocate part falls apart when looked at closely. A person is no more "doing business in the home" with an internet purchase than they are using a phone call/mail order catalog. Are you saying because their voice says "yes I'll buy it" or their hand puts a stamp on the envelope that these businesses should also pay taxes? I would have to disagree with that. The transaction takes place remotely, not at home. And there is a reason for not having to pay taxes if you are not a business in that state. (The tax rate/structure can be complicated!) To try to force any Joe-shmo with a small internet store to deal with the entire country tax code is not remotely feasible.
Hey! I almost take offense to that remark!
Also, people generally tend not to care about their sensitive data?
Actually, the average person doesn't give a hoot at all about security. They just care that they can get to their stuff. The average user most likely isn't going to understand that this "service/software" doesn't work off their machine.
But keep in mind that it will impact the performance of their main device.
Maybe not. Others upthread made a good point about how it appears that this "is an API over a peer to peer network". If that was the case, who says the primary seed isn't your machine? That would remove some of the speed concerns.
Not to stop your PHP bashing, but I use http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.pg-query-par ams.php/ also.
I agree with you, but the problem is that you cannot design a system that is everything to everyone. If you design something that is exploit proof and with no way to abuse, I would dare say you have made yourself an extremely boring game. It is all about trade offs. Granted I am so far from an expert I should shut up now, but in for a penny...
For a large percentage of cases I think you are correct. The flaw is in the design. But even the best of designs will have paths of abuse. And if the design is as correct as you can get it (or want to get it) then an arms race is a perfectly acceptable solution. All you have to do is manage the reward / punishment scale. Then again I'm from the camp that people who live to exploit like that should simply be thrown out.
BTW, What next? Have NPCs rob random characters which aren't even logged on?
Depends on the type of offense we are talking about. If it is an easily provable example? (Lets say its the UO example and 10 players hold 90% of the iron. - Again I think this is a bad example as a better design was the way to go.) Hell I'd do it to their face. Nothing like spawning "unkillable" thieves who completely strip a character down. But I wouldn't just take the iron. I would take *everything* they own. Being the vindictive type I would probably either boot them afterwards or make them start from scratch. Probably boot'em though.
I understand (and agree with) just about all of your points. But no one ever thinks of the overall picture when something becomes unbalanced like that. There are other ways to address world issues when they get skewed, and they may have nothing to do with the problem at hand.
Using your UO metal example, were I to tackle that problem my answer would be to either
- drop a way for extremely smart talented players to "hit" the banks and take the stuff.
- Have some NPC group start hitting the banks, as the payoff was way too high.
in either case the stuff would end up released into the world again and that problem is solved.(Admittedly this would create as many problems as it solves.)
While it is unfortunate, a game really needs to be designed to minimize the impact of the 0.1% of the assholes that will play it.
Because anyone that has worked heavily with browser based UIs knows that they have the same issues they have always had.
http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2005/07/28/ie7_
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/07/29/44524
http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,17
sigh...... Always the same with the zealots
So, you fix your own car problems? Repair your plumbing? Electrical? Paint your house? Give yourself stitches? Build your own computer monitors from parts? Sew your own clothing? Think about the freeeedoooooooooooom if you get the parts you want for your car! You have the freeeeeedooooooooom to choose higher quality denim for your jeans! And they will fit you exactly!
Please just stop. This is such an old story. Facts are facts. 99% of the population of the world do not give one shit as to the details behind a computer. Just as you (most likely) don't care what goes into how your clothing is made. You just want to get it, use it, and move on. Period. Fullstop.
Until you do all the above (don't forget grow your own food!) you have no right to tell people their time needs to be wasted doing things they most likely don't care for.
If you don't want to see Linux widely adopted then this does not apply to you. If you do want widespread adoption you need to understand (and cater to) the larger audience. And that means making all the choices for the average user. They should be able to click "next", "next", "next", "finished". And from there have a fully functional PC.
And I'll tell you. I want my machine to work for period. After installing a new program/piece of hardware, I don't want to spend a single second doing anything other than launching said install/using said hardware. Fuck 2 weeks of Google searches, multiple www.some_guy.org/kinda_hack/pleasework.tar attempts, and said hacks work-for-80%-of-the-time-then-die bullshit. All of which I've run into every time I attempt to make the switch. Oh, and I would prefer not to use Windows. Hate Windows in fact. (They can stick their pipe dreams of DRM up their ass.) I *like* the idea that the code can be seen. However my desire to get something done is a higher priority. Is that too much to ask? The OS isn't my life, hell the computer isn't my life. I just want to use it to accomplish things. I'll take any driver I can get my hands on to get the job done.
To be totally honest, I am actually on your side. I really believe in "The Transparent Society" as an ideal. Just a fatally flawed and unworkable one when you factor in human nature. People will often take something harmless and form a judgment on it.
In this era of "let everyone know everything" how often do you think your career would be impacted if it was easy to find out you liked, say cross dressing? (I can see he has purchased $10,000 in high heels!) Furries? (No idea what you would shop for or search on here.) Or some other trivial thing that a company you *could* have worked for but never got the opportunity due to some preconceived notion? Health insurance upping my rates because I buy cigarettes all the time for my grandmother? Or even just workplace attitudes? (That guy makes 1/2 what I do he must be a real fuckwit!)
And don't even get me started on how we know it would really play out. The government/corporations want all the transparency in the world, about you. Do you really expect should this all come to pass that they would practice what they preach? For that matter do you really believe that those with power/money/influence will be held to the same standards as the average Joe?
Obviously, if you're living in Area 51 this doesn't apply. But for the vast majority of people what do we really have that is so important.
So, what we consider secret doesn't matter. What the government says goes... got it.
I'm sure there a loads more types of secret but I'm just at a loss to know what the big secrets that Google can possibly know that we all need to get upset about the erosion of our civil liberties.
Answer? Absolutely anything I don't feel should be shared. I don't care if it is something as trivial as eye color. Just because I use a computer to hold information (and use services) does not give blanket permission for any/all to know everything about me.
Personally I would be happiest if any and all information like this required sign-off by who I consider the true owner of the data. That is the person that created it. (IE actually bought something)
I remember reading this a while back but never followed up on it. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/11/27/incorporat ed_man_makes_murder_confession/ This man was wondering the same thing.
I understand (and fully support) your desire for backward compatibility. But there are cases when you can't use on "onclick" handler with a valid URL in the href attribute. Try passing "this" into a function in the onclick handler to see what I mean. One of my "bag of tricks" to keep JS out of pages is to add attributes to DOM elements like "some_kind_of_id='42'" then pass the element in "onclick='letsDoSomethingWithThatId(this)'". The DOM is broken in this regard as you end up with a reference to the URL and not the element. Major PITA. So I use and and anything else that is handy to submit my clicks. Again, you are very right. Just not in all cases.
The "White Hat" types are *not* actually both. What they are doing is helping define the content in the optimum way to increase rank. And the whole reason that "makes the web a better place" is that when it does place higher on the search engine it will be likely you will stay once you click. "Black Hat" types could give a crap what you are selling. Hits == $$.
YES! I thought I was the only person here who had the words "SPACE MEAT!" on reverb every time it comes up.
Sweet christ that was funny. Thanks for reminding me of a great flick.
Doesn't stand against the classics, but since this is for this year only... PHP 5 Power Programming
You are kidding, right? Maybe silly flash games, or online poker don't take much. But what about when Billy is surfing pr0n, Sue is downloading music, and this guy decides to take something like Halo for a spin? He'll make 56k users look like local lan users. Maybe he doesn't need OC3, but he sure as hell is gonna need more than a regular line.
Exactly. He may be given (as just happened here in Prov RI) 2 days notice to pack his crap and get out of there. Can he afford to walk away with *nothing* in return?
For what it is worth, I agree with you. The smartest move to make in this current market it to get into real estate. Stocks come and go, bonds rise and fall, but land is going nowhere. Besides once he has a house he can then do what he damn well pleases for WAP.
You got that right.
I usually have about 3 weeks between fixes before my less computer literate family members have foobar'd their system again. And always with the same crap. For god sakes people if I tell you *not* to download something, don't! Especially when I give them an alternative. (Kazaa Lite people!!! Lite!) Of course I have avoided said family now for 6 months to save myself the headaches.
Seriously, it is like a slap in the face when they come begging for your help and turn around and ignore you.