I think this is great! But I would like to see some developers adding mesh topologies and software to these nodes. That would make low cost cheap mesh networks. POE, Low cost off the shelf equipment that meshes would be just awesome.
I already have a mesh network in Tempe, AZ at 3501 S Mcclintock Dr. I use the Locustworld software and my own custom built meshboxes that all are standardized. Each node has 1 200mw card and 1 8dbi omni. My 3 nodes serve 11 people with speeds up and down to 3mbit. I have bandwidth tiers and a auth page and many many features like voip, vpn, cctv, dual radio option, set output power, etc. My nodes run 2048bit AES encryption node to node or vpn. Visit my website www.spydernet.org or email me jas2770@hotmail.com I am trying to get a business going but I need help as I am only 22 yrs old.
I am currently using Loustworld mesh-ap which is compatible with any 802.11b/g client.
so far here are my experiences on a high power setup with reliable signal on a 200mw radio:
5mbit actual bandwidth
3-5ms per hop
800ft nlos links
what if someone made a wireless mesh backbone? something that provided at least 1-5 mbit/s and under 40-50ms of latency to clients. Right now I am trying out the Locustworld mesh approach which is free as long as you have the compatible pc hardware which can be purchased using froogle or ebay. So far I have 3 locustworld nodes (home built) running in this appartment complex. My 802.11b network covers at least 5 buildings with good signal up to 3mbit/s. I know this is small.. but imagine 20 of my home-brew mesh nodes with more than one uplink and radio(s) that offer more bandwidth. This would make a network that could span many residential blocks for very low cost. if you want to donate to my idea feel free=].
....the first or only wireless mesh network in Tempe, AZ. I have built 5 wireless mesh nodes using Locustworld for my WISP www.SpyderNet.org
I cover Copper Creek (Southern Ave & Mc Clintock) in Tempe, AZ. My nodes can offer speeds from 64kbits/s to 6mbit/s upload and download depending on tier. I built all 5 of my nodes in the same standard, pigtails, cables, 8-12dbi omnis. While I don't want to disclose the exact ammount I paid.. it was in the 1000-2000 dollar range and my network is no BS it really works.. even supports VOIP over WIFI and WIFI roaming for clients between nodes.. even bluetooth phones can connect if i add the module.. Please check out Locustworld.. they are the shizzle hands down!!
-baked
Locustworld Mesh is all i have to say. They have the best 802.11b/g MEsh AP technology Period. If you want to build a wireless network I suggest trying Locustworld Its pretty damm secure, cheap as fuck, and highly scalable and manages bandwidth very very nice. Latency on my wireless network is 3-5ms per hop using senao 200mw cards!!
NextNet uses a MMDS band that requires a license the base station(s) have 2 Watts of Output power + antenna. These NextNet Boxes cost $400-1000 on the CPE side and who knows what on the base station side. They form a celluar point to multipoint network. Also these devices can use the 2.4ghz spectrum if they want.. but they are not supposed to. I live in Yuma, Arizona and they have www.beamspeed.net that uses this technology for quite some time (1-2 yrs). I have gotten 1800kbits/s or ~220kbytes/sec and the range is generally up to 20 miles NLOS but with a significant packetloss of 3-11%. If you aim the CPE better it will get a better signal and then you can get a better connection.. kinda like a cell phone. Personally I like the Locustworld Mesh that is fully compatible with 802.11b and 802.11g cards. I got a Dell GX1 machine for $55 on ebay and a pci pcmcia card adapter for $30 and a 200mw senao PRism 2.5 pcmcia card that is 802.11b and hooked it up to a 12dbi omni $87 This thing has a good radius of about 1500ft with standard wifi cards and the bandwidth is up to 440KB/s or 6mbit/s max. Locustworld rocks!!!
YOu can build a cheap high power node for $147, dell gx1, pci pcmcia adapter, senao 200mw card =~147 off ebay =] and man its a huge ass wifi spot about the size of 3-4 trailer parks with just an antenna on a roof.
ask Kennybain for ping times and look at his Vivian network. he will re-confirm what i say is true. As long as you get a good signal and your reciever sends and transmits well You can get very nice, low latency and stable pings between wireless nodes. 65-100ms sounds about right for a huge Mesh WLAN (23-30 nodes several hundred or few thousand meters apart, covering a town)
my small mesh wlan pings 3-8ms and spikes at most to 15ms (3 nodes). so with wlan latency of 3-8ms and hardwire uplink latency to internet from 28ms(west)-90ms(east coast) its certainly feasible to run Voip. The mesh system looks for the best signal (db) automatically to route with and that is how lower latency is attained.
Me pinging google west server (cable)
Reply from 66.102.7.99: bytes=32 time=29ms TTL=242
Reply from 66.102.7.99: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=242
Reply from 66.102.7.99: bytes=32 time=29ms TTL=242
Me pinging google west over mesh (1hop)
1.36.76.64@meshbox:~# ping www.google.com
PING www.google.akadns.net (66.102.7.99): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=0 ttl=242 time=29.761 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=242 time=29.543 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=2 ttl=242 time=29.424 ms
me pinging google.com over 2 hops mesh
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=5 ttl=241 time=35.847 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=6 ttl=241 time=32.474 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=7 ttl=241 time=34.324 ms
latency between mesh nodes
64 bytes from 1.216.248.243: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=3.014 ms
64 bytes from 1.216.248.243: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=3.013 ms
64 bytes from 1.216.248.243: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=3.478 ms
EAT IT now for you guys to see what this system can really do =]
I'd do a leech test to show you that this system can really do over 450KB/s to each node provided enough uplinks but my cable is crapping out.
Locustworld has been testing VOIP for 2 years+ and skype has already been working on the meshap system for many many months. A cheap wifi phone needs to come out now that uses SIP for this to be a very economical and scalable system for both data and voice. Imagine a voip or phone call not dropping because of the mesh's multipoint to multipoint kicking in for you.. the Mesh AP does this for data already so I assume it will do the same for VOIP/SIP. Ex: You lose connection to one node or a node goes out and you still maintain a connection to the 802.11b client.
I am working on a Wireless Mesh Based ISP and could use any help possible. http://www.spydernet.org [SpyderNet] is my idea and we use the forumns to talk about the locustworld meshap and how we would impliment business applications. I encourage anyone who wants to know more about the Locustworld system, help me out or just discuss stuff...post on my forumn.
Locustworld has made so much progress with 802.11b They have technology that can let you build or buy APs that act as a regular 802.11b AP, Authentication gateway, Multiple Router/Repeater, bluetooth internet access, bluetooth camera server, you can even hook webcams up to this shizzle and run a webserver at the same time. Nodes can use IDE cdrom, flash card, or IDE/SCSCII HD to run the os/distor/meshsoftware... Security is up to 2048 bit and 512bit for internode communication..WEP..MAC ADDRESS AUTHENTICATION...Login groups and user names.... These guys have made the "defacto standard" for 802.11b which OWNS CISCO, MSOFT, everything else out (DON'T SUE ME MOFOS HEHA)... You can control all mesh nodes via web site GUI or even SSH... using a senao 200mw prism card w/ lmr 400 (low loss cable) & 12-15dbi antenna you can cover 1000m-2000m easily. The best i can say is in general it would cover 3-5 blocks per node. Nodes cost $350-600 each depending on the setup. I built my own mesh nodes for about $100 each and can repeat up to 350kb/s bandwidth with latency of 3-8ms over 3 hops... there is also multiple rerouting and even multiple backbone and internet gatways with load-balancing I believe. I tell you Jon Anderson is one smart ass mofo. I however am drunk. *burp* CMON guys blow this post up and let the world know who should get the bigups for Wireless... Hell you can even run VOIP hardware and software using a Creative VOIP Blaster and regular phone. You can run VOIP software over the Mesh by using p2p VOIP software called Skype. BIGUPS to all who use Locustworld Mesh 802.11b defacto standard. Oh yeah.. while i'm off-topic... Spammers should be sent to IRAQ. Someone edit this shit. Good night.
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I think this is great! But I would like to see some developers adding mesh topologies and software to these nodes. That would make low cost cheap mesh networks. POE, Low cost off the shelf equipment that meshes would be just awesome.
I already have a mesh network in Tempe, AZ at 3501 S Mcclintock Dr. I use the Locustworld software and my own custom built meshboxes that all are standardized. Each node has 1 200mw card and 1 8dbi omni. My 3 nodes serve 11 people with speeds up and down to 3mbit. I have bandwidth tiers and a auth page and many many features like voip, vpn, cctv, dual radio option, set output power, etc. My nodes run 2048bit AES encryption node to node or vpn. Visit my website www.spydernet.org or email me jas2770@hotmail.com I am trying to get a business going but I need help as I am only 22 yrs old.
I am currently using Loustworld mesh-ap which is compatible with any 802.11b/g client. so far here are my experiences on a high power setup with reliable signal on a 200mw radio: 5mbit actual bandwidth 3-5ms per hop 800ft nlos links
what if someone made a wireless mesh backbone? something that provided at least 1-5 mbit/s and under 40-50ms of latency to clients. Right now I am trying out the Locustworld mesh approach which is free as long as you have the compatible pc hardware which can be purchased using froogle or ebay. So far I have 3 locustworld nodes (home built) running in this appartment complex. My 802.11b network covers at least 5 buildings with good signal up to 3mbit/s. I know this is small.. but imagine 20 of my home-brew mesh nodes with more than one uplink and radio(s) that offer more bandwidth. This would make a network that could span many residential blocks for very low cost. if you want to donate to my idea feel free=].
....the first or only wireless mesh network in Tempe, AZ. I have built 5 wireless mesh nodes using Locustworld for my WISP www.SpyderNet.org I cover Copper Creek (Southern Ave & Mc Clintock) in Tempe, AZ. My nodes can offer speeds from 64kbits/s to 6mbit/s upload and download depending on tier. I built all 5 of my nodes in the same standard, pigtails, cables, 8-12dbi omnis. While I don't want to disclose the exact ammount I paid.. it was in the 1000-2000 dollar range and my network is no BS it really works.. even supports VOIP over WIFI and WIFI roaming for clients between nodes.. even bluetooth phones can connect if i add the module.. Please check out Locustworld.. they are the shizzle hands down!! -baked
Locustworld Mesh is all i have to say. They have the best 802.11b/g MEsh AP technology Period. If you want to build a wireless network I suggest trying Locustworld Its pretty damm secure, cheap as fuck, and highly scalable and manages bandwidth very very nice. Latency on my wireless network is 3-5ms per hop using senao 200mw cards!!
NextNet uses a MMDS band that requires a license the base station(s) have 2 Watts of Output power + antenna. These NextNet Boxes cost $400-1000 on the CPE side and who knows what on the base station side. They form a celluar point to multipoint network. Also these devices can use the 2.4ghz spectrum if they want.. but they are not supposed to. I live in Yuma, Arizona and they have www.beamspeed.net that uses this technology for quite some time (1-2 yrs). I have gotten 1800kbits/s or ~220kbytes/sec and the range is generally up to 20 miles NLOS but with a significant packetloss of 3-11%. If you aim the CPE better it will get a better signal and then you can get a better connection.. kinda like a cell phone. Personally I like the Locustworld Mesh that is fully compatible with 802.11b and 802.11g cards. I got a Dell GX1 machine for $55 on ebay and a pci pcmcia card adapter for $30 and a 200mw senao PRism 2.5 pcmcia card that is 802.11b and hooked it up to a 12dbi omni $87 This thing has a good radius of about 1500ft with standard wifi cards and the bandwidth is up to 440KB/s or 6mbit/s max. Locustworld rocks!!! YOu can build a cheap high power node for $147, dell gx1, pci pcmcia adapter, senao 200mw card =~147 off ebay =] and man its a huge ass wifi spot about the size of 3-4 trailer parks with just an antenna on a roof.
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ask Kennybain for ping times and look at his Vivian network. he will re-confirm what i say is true. As long as you get a good signal and your reciever sends and transmits well You can get very nice, low latency and stable pings between wireless nodes. 65-100ms sounds about right for a huge Mesh WLAN (23-30 nodes several hundred or few thousand meters apart, covering a town) my small mesh wlan pings 3-8ms and spikes at most to 15ms (3 nodes). so with wlan latency of 3-8ms and hardwire uplink latency to internet from 28ms(west)-90ms(east coast) its certainly feasible to run Voip. The mesh system looks for the best signal (db) automatically to route with and that is how lower latency is attained. Me pinging google west server (cable) Reply from 66.102.7.99: bytes=32 time=29ms TTL=242 Reply from 66.102.7.99: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=242 Reply from 66.102.7.99: bytes=32 time=29ms TTL=242 Me pinging google west over mesh (1hop) 1.36.76.64@meshbox:~# ping www.google.com PING www.google.akadns.net (66.102.7.99): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=0 ttl=242 time=29.761 ms 64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=242 time=29.543 ms 64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=2 ttl=242 time=29.424 ms me pinging google.com over 2 hops mesh 64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=5 ttl=241 time=35.847 ms 64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=6 ttl=241 time=32.474 ms 64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=7 ttl=241 time=34.324 ms latency between mesh nodes 64 bytes from 1.216.248.243: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=3.014 ms 64 bytes from 1.216.248.243: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=3.013 ms 64 bytes from 1.216.248.243: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=3.478 ms EAT IT now for you guys to see what this system can really do =] I'd do a leech test to show you that this system can really do over 450KB/s to each node provided enough uplinks but my cable is crapping out. Locustworld has been testing VOIP for 2 years+ and skype has already been working on the meshap system for many many months. A cheap wifi phone needs to come out now that uses SIP for this to be a very economical and scalable system for both data and voice. Imagine a voip or phone call not dropping because of the mesh's multipoint to multipoint kicking in for you.. the Mesh AP does this for data already so I assume it will do the same for VOIP/SIP. Ex: You lose connection to one node or a node goes out and you still maintain a connection to the 802.11b client. I am working on a Wireless Mesh Based ISP and could use any help possible. http://www.spydernet.org [SpyderNet] is my idea and we use the forumns to talk about the locustworld meshap and how we would impliment business applications. I encourage anyone who wants to know more about the Locustworld system, help me out or just discuss stuff...post on my forumn.
Locustworld has made so much progress with 802.11b They have technology that can let you build or buy APs that act as a regular 802.11b AP, Authentication gateway, Multiple Router/Repeater, bluetooth internet access, bluetooth camera server, you can even hook webcams up to this shizzle and run a webserver at the same time. Nodes can use IDE cdrom, flash card, or IDE/SCSCII HD to run the os/distor/meshsoftware... Security is up to 2048 bit and 512bit for internode communication..WEP..MAC ADDRESS AUTHENTICATION...Login groups and user names.... These guys have made the "defacto standard" for 802.11b which OWNS CISCO, MSOFT, everything else out (DON'T SUE ME MOFOS HEHA)... You can control all mesh nodes via web site GUI or even SSH... using a senao 200mw prism card w/ lmr 400 (low loss cable) & 12-15dbi antenna you can cover 1000m-2000m easily. The best i can say is in general it would cover 3-5 blocks per node. Nodes cost $350-600 each depending on the setup. I built my own mesh nodes for about $100 each and can repeat up to 350kb/s bandwidth with latency of 3-8ms over 3 hops... there is also multiple rerouting and even multiple backbone and internet gatways with load-balancing I believe. I tell you Jon Anderson is one smart ass mofo. I however am drunk. *burp* CMON guys blow this post up and let the world know who should get the bigups for Wireless... Hell you can even run VOIP hardware and software using a Creative VOIP Blaster and regular phone. You can run VOIP software over the Mesh by using p2p VOIP software called Skype. BIGUPS to all who use Locustworld Mesh 802.11b defacto standard. Oh yeah.. while i'm off-topic... Spammers should be sent to IRAQ. Someone edit this shit. Good night.