hehe, it's not having to think, but having to think about what. Personally I'd much rather spend my time thinking about the development project I'm working on or the book I'm reading than on why I cannot boot into X due to a wacked out driver...or is it the XF86Config...or maybe....
Sorry, this is an erroneous claim. Microsoft is known for purposefully breaking compatability with standards to foster just such appearances. If the mozilla team went out of there way to "comply with IE", than the next patch would simply change the rules. Case in point: MSN displaying a different, purposely broken page if a non IE browser was detected. ..remember that one?
My friend runs OSX on an 866mhz G3 iBook with no problems whatsoever. At work we have OSX on a G4 450mhz. I just purchased a 1ghz G4 iBook and have no doubts it will run OSX to my complete satisfaction.
Now, are we running UT2004 @ 100fps. ..no. In fact if we open up several heavy apps at once like Photoshop, Dreamweaver, etc. than they slow down. But that's not what I use a laptop for, rather I use it for software development and portability. For these uses the iBook fits perfectly for a very good price.
It seems that you weren't looking for a laptop, but a desktop replacement. Those are two very different things.
The 'back' button is in the top left. But I understand where your coming from, sometimes things just rub you the wrong way. OSX rubbed me the wrong way at first, it was it's unix half that kept me around.
10.4 will have fully indexed filesystem allowing for database queries integrated into the search tools. Not only "file name" but all meta-data and content will be available to the search engine. I can't imagine any system more powerful.
As for finder, I hardly ever use it and prefer the CLI. What I have used, it seems to provede all the functionality of any other file browser I've used.....but I've never been a file browser sort of person.
Out of curiousity, what do Konqueror and Nautilus provide that Finder does not?
You definately sacrifice some flexibility with OSX when it comes to appearances, but as far as flexibility of software you can use. ..I see none, in fact I have more flexibility in thesoftware I can use being that OSX can run any Open Source software in addition to many programs not natively available for linux.
High performance in what sense? Those damn X windows artifacts (like the tracer effect when dragging a window object) really began to get to me after a couple of years. I hated feeling like I was tripping at the end of a days work.
Stability? Hmmm, not sure on that one either. (nice how you throw in the "besides video drivers" being that few consider a non-gui machine desktop worthy nowadays). For my desktop, my G5 has been every bit as stable as any flavor of Linux I've ever run and if you count the little things like video drivers, integration, hardware support without even blinking, more choices when it comes to software, desktop rendering that isn't from the cold war, and tons of other bugs and lock-ups that aren't directly kernel related and so aren't included in many peoples description of "linux's" stability than you have one hell of a setup. End result: I spend less time tinkering and more time being productive.
Now I completely agree that the vast majority of these ills that linux faces have nothing to do with linux in and of itself, but with vendor support. That is what makes an oem supporting linux such a good thing, it should "just work" and it creates pressure for other vendors to support linux as well. After that, if the gui devs can catch up to the 90's we'll have a contender on our hands.
I pretty much got fed up making linux on the laptop work and just sold off my Dell to pick up a iBook. If this had been an option at the time, I may have considered it. As it is, OSX has all the unixy goodness plus none of the hassle.
Debian on pppc had too many broken debs for me. I got tired of editing them by hand (their layout is non-intuitive as well). To top it off, you have to wade through the vocal minority of assholes on the debian #chans to get a bit of assistance on sorting it all out (I've never put anyone on my ignore list until #debian). In the end, I switched to another distro with more flexibility in package management and better ppc support. That being said, apt-get, aptitude, dpkg et al was very impressive. ..though most distros incorporate these or equal/better utilities nowadays.
I believe that full openGL 3d rendering is available on the desktop if your video card supports it and there is a cause to use it(quartz extreme). Afterall, not much reason to use full on 3d rendering for a window.
Actually, autistics are arguably not "simply retarded", but suffer from perceptual and motor impairment not directly linked to intelligence. An extremely interesting article covering this very topic (autism and the long established presumption of retardation) appeared in Scientific American last month.
I couldn't log in because I don't have an account. All links worked in FireFox without logging in.
Also, the site is in general a poorly designed one. It doesn't even validate as HTML Transitional, though the designer neglected to use a DOCTYPE so whether it's HTML 4.0 is a guess. However, even validating against HTML 2.0 produced 177 errors.
On a side note, instead of using a substandard browser due to your banks web bugginess....take action(you can file a bug under evangelism to I believe)
It was during driver installs. I've seen xp bluescreeen with certain drivers. My Scanjet3300c, for example, could reliably bluescreen XP. The temps were fine, I checked. Right after the drivers were updated I also ran Prime95 for 12 hours straight with no errors or bluescreens.
I'm also "that guy" everyone asks to work on their computer, so though I haven't seen a fresh install in quite a while I have seen quite a few bugged out XP's with bluescreen problems. in the end, it depends greatly on your particluar hardware configuration.....much like any OS
Just to reaffirm what the parent has said. I haven't used windows in over a year. I used Linux before and have recently started using OSX, though I still use Linux for my servers and one client. ..to the point: When I bought my mac, I sold my pc to a friend and installed XP on it for him. it was a nice system in it's own right (2500+ w/ 333mhz, 512 ddr 2700 ram, 9500 Pro). The fresh install of XP simply flew. Time to use was significantly faster than with Linux or OSX. Pulling up applications was significantly faster than Linux, but about the same as OSX. This is comparing a VERY tweaked Linux install with a default XP/OSX install. Unfortunately, I didn't have 2k lying around to compare with as well.
Just a note, obviously I much prefer linux and osx over windows, which is why I don't use it. But when it comes to speed, XP is the overall winner. Of course, it was also VERY fast at crashing which it did w/n 20 minutes of the install. At first I was perturbed, but than remembered what I was dealing with.
Fedora Core 2 was the only dist that worked for me
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I recently decided to migrate my girlfriend to a more user friendly linux distro. She had been using Gentoo for quite a while, but it was left up to me to do all the manual configurations, software updates, and installs. I wanted to give her something that she could use herself until she became more familar with the inner workings of linux....thus began my inadvertant testing of 3 major linux distros and one minor one.
First I tried mandrake. It had the repetation of being the most user friendly and I was told that the more recent releases had solved many of the instabilities that I had seen when I first tried it years ago. The install went flawlessly all hardware autodetected and drivers installed. I was simply tickled to death. But that did not last long, mandrake proved to be completely unstable and would hard lock several times a day. Also some "essential" programs for her would crash at the drop of a hat. K3b for example crashed everytime mp3's were dragged into the conversion window. Before it's mentioned all the hardware, ram, etc. was completely tested and perfectly ok. So mandrae flunked royally.
Next I tried Suse having heard many good things about it. Suse was the worst of the distros I tested. On the first install I fell victem to some weird, but not completely uncommon bug that resulted in modules compiled against a different version kernel than the kernel installed being used. Due to how slow the network install is this was a major PITA. Hardware detection was pitiful as well. It set my video card up with vesa drivers any attempt to change the driver to the proper one resulted in a hard lockup. Also sound did not work properly and my integrated NIC (every other distro possessed the module for it) was not supported by the install requiring that I pull a NIC out of another box and put use that instead. Furthermore, Suse has it's own way of doing things, so my knowledge of standard linux configuration was virtually useless.
Being fed up with the "user friendly" distros I was going to opt for a lesser known distro called Arch Linux which would take some amount of setting up, but had a binary package management based on apt that would make the installation quicker than reinstalling Gentoo. Installation was fine, most hardware was fine, standard use of config files....seemed promising. But the sound simply wouldn't work. Oddly enough Arts worked fine and all KDE system sounds worked, but not one media player would cooperate. No matter whether I used arts or tried to tap directly into alsa. Since this was Arch's only drawback, I spent quite a bit ot time trying to debug the setup but eventially admitted defeat. The weirdest thing was that it was somewhat sporadic. I would get it working, but at reboot it would fail again....or even just suddenly give out. A desktop with no sound simply isn't acceptible, so I moved on.
My last attempt was going to be Fedora Core 2. At this point I was irritated enough so that I was very close to just installing XP. Afterall I knew it would work and would probably only crash once a week or so...sort of a middle ground from the previous distros I'd tried. The reason Fedora was my last attempt was because I had tried it years before and it left such a sour taste in my mouth (dependency hell) that I had refused to even consider it up to this point. In short I had very low expectations. However, all devices were detected correctly during a painless and trouble free install. it had a clean interface and most importantly, everything *just worked*. The addition of Apt-get, synaptic, et al. Completely cured the dependancy troubles I had seen previously. Overall besides a few minor annoyances such as lack of default mp3 support and nvidia lagging with a full dri driver for the vid card, it was simply refreshing.
So I recognize that everyones experiences can vary. I don't claim that Fedora Core 2 is perfect for everyones particular setup, but for me it was not just a nice fit...it was the ONLY distro that fit at all.
What would your suggestion be? To gather in numbers in an attempt to reasonable and peaceably express the youth's desire for greater freedom's in the areas of knowledge and communication? Perhaps demand a democratic state?
I'm from the U.S. I think we've already adopted them last I checked.
I've already seen a lot of things happen in my lifetime. The collapse of the USSR, foes become friends and than foes again, a nerdy kid with an accute business sense become, arguably, the most powerful man in business, and a B actor become president.....it's not the things you expect to happen in your lifetime that come as a surprise, it's the ones you never thought were possible.
The power of open source lies in the fact that no one outside of western nations could give a rat's ass over who has what patents. If the west isn't careful they're going to sue themeselves into second place in the world economy......
1. I'm afraid your off your rocker if you think you can't build a custom pc for less than an off the shelf Dell. On the low-end this is true, mainly due to the margin of savings being so small on a $500 dollar PC, but the more you spend the more exagerated the savings become. But don't take my word for it, go to newegg and build a PC comparable to a nice Dell and compare. (I don't feel like doing the clicking for you). Also remember that Dell is going to go the cheap route everywhere they can, e.g., cas 3.0 ram instead of cas 2.0, or the fact the OEM vid cards are NOT the equal of their retail counterpart, etc, etc
2. I'll never buy a Dell again. Not because of the hardware or because of the problems I've had with my laptop (a few), but due to the utter lack of professionalism with which they handled my customer support. I purchased "Next Day at your door Service" with my laptop. It took them 3 months to repair my LCD....that includes twice sending out a tech guy with the wrong part, multiple mysteriously cancelled repair orders, being given non-existant employee ID #'s and names, promised "appeasement itmes" (digi cams, palm's, etc) that were never delivered, and on and on. In fact the NEVER did fix the damn LCD, but ended up shipping me another laptop altogether (which to their credit was a better model). However, to their detriment this laptop is only partly functional with linux whereas the previous, carefully chosen model was 100% compatible.
One last parting shot: Who the heck ever heard of a computer manufacturer who doesn't have online billpay
This is a tragically popular misconception, expecially amongst the nerd herd that hasn't studied enough science. Philosophy+introspection was a great success, but is glaringly inadequete if logic+science is ignored.
What we can measure may not be all that there is, but anything else is of absolutely no consequence whatsoever. By definition that which which has an effect must be measureable, therefore if it is not measurable it does not effect our existence and is thus inconsequential in any description of reality.
So I will assert that "there's no mystery that is beyond apprehension". Beyond human apprehension, perhaps. But the quality of being apprehensible simply means that it follows a set of ordered rules that can be defined and that can be grasped....that have meaning. For example, advanced mathematics is undeniably apprehensible, though not by all.
Man, we're a little paranoid aren't we? Horde's of foaming at the mouth open source radicals?
Personally, I'm a firm supporter of free markets (in the Smith sense) and capitalist economies. Since Mircrosoft actively prevents fair competition (remember that? the cornerstone of the capitalist ideal?), I think they should be put in check. If you can actually present any reason why this thinking is wrong, by all means contribute. So far you just sound like a winy little biatch.
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hehe, it's not having to think, but having to think about what . Personally I'd much rather spend my time thinking about the development project I'm working on or the book I'm reading than on why I cannot boot into X due to a wacked out driver...or is it the XF86Config...or maybe....
Sorry, this is an erroneous claim. Microsoft is known for purposefully breaking compatability with standards to foster just such appearances. If the mozilla team went out of there way to "comply with IE", than the next patch would simply change the rules. Case in point: MSN displaying a different, purposely broken page if a non IE browser was detected. . .remember that one?
Now, are we running UT2004 @ 100fps. . .no. In fact if we open up several heavy apps at once like Photoshop, Dreamweaver, etc. than they slow down. But that's not what I use a laptop for, rather I use it for software development and portability. For these uses the iBook fits perfectly for a very good price.
It seems that you weren't looking for a laptop, but a desktop replacement. Those are two very different things.
The 'back' button is in the top left. But I understand where your coming from, sometimes things just rub you the wrong way. OSX rubbed me the wrong way at first, it was it's unix half that kept me around.
As for finder, I hardly ever use it and prefer the CLI. What I have used, it seems to provede all the functionality of any other file browser I've used.....but I've never been a file browser sort of person.
Out of curiousity, what do Konqueror and Nautilus provide that Finder does not?
You definately sacrifice some flexibility with OSX when it comes to appearances, but as far as flexibility of software you can use. . .I see none, in fact I have more flexibility in thesoftware I can use being that OSX can run any Open Source software in addition to many programs not natively available for linux.
High performance in what sense? Those damn X windows artifacts (like the tracer effect when dragging a window object) really began to get to me after a couple of years. I hated feeling like I was tripping at the end of a days work.
Stability? Hmmm, not sure on that one either. (nice how you throw in the "besides video drivers" being that few consider a non-gui machine desktop worthy nowadays). For my desktop, my G5 has been every bit as stable as any flavor of Linux I've ever run and if you count the little things like video drivers, integration, hardware support without even blinking, more choices when it comes to software, desktop rendering that isn't from the cold war, and tons of other bugs and lock-ups that aren't directly kernel related and so aren't included in many peoples description of "linux's" stability than you have one hell of a setup. End result: I spend less time tinkering and more time being productive.
Now I completely agree that the vast majority of these ills that linux faces have nothing to do with linux in and of itself, but with vendor support. That is what makes an oem supporting linux such a good thing, it should "just work" and it creates pressure for other vendors to support linux as well. After that, if the gui devs can catch up to the 90's we'll have a contender on our hands.
I pretty much got fed up making linux on the laptop work and just sold off my Dell to pick up a iBook. If this had been an option at the time, I may have considered it. As it is, OSX has all the unixy goodness plus none of the hassle.
Debian on pppc had too many broken debs for me. I got tired of editing them by hand (their layout is non-intuitive as well). To top it off, you have to wade through the vocal minority of assholes on the debian #chans to get a bit of assistance on sorting it all out (I've never put anyone on my ignore list until #debian). In the end, I switched to another distro with more flexibility in package management and better ppc support. That being said, apt-get, aptitude, dpkg et al was very impressive. . .though most distros incorporate these or equal/better utilities nowadays.
I believe that full openGL 3d rendering is available on the desktop if your video card supports it and there is a cause to use it(quartz extreme). Afterall, not much reason to use full on 3d rendering for a window.
64 bin "OS"
You'll have to wait till 10.4 before you have 64-bit computing on your G5. . . as will I.
Actually, autistics are arguably not "simply retarded", but suffer from perceptual and motor impairment not directly linked to intelligence. An extremely interesting article covering this very topic (autism and the long established presumption of retardation) appeared in Scientific American last month.
I couldn't log in because I don't have an account. All links worked in FireFox without logging in.
Also, the site is in general a poorly designed one. It doesn't even validate as HTML Transitional, though the designer neglected to use a DOCTYPE so whether it's HTML 4.0 is a guess. However, even validating against HTML 2.0 produced 177 errors.
On a side note, instead of using a substandard browser due to your banks web bugginess....take action(you can file a bug under evangelism to I believe)
It was during driver installs. I've seen xp bluescreeen with certain drivers. My Scanjet3300c, for example, could reliably bluescreen XP. The temps were fine, I checked. Right after the drivers were updated I also ran Prime95 for 12 hours straight with no errors or bluescreens.
I'm also "that guy" everyone asks to work on their computer, so though I haven't seen a fresh install in quite a while I have seen quite a few bugged out XP's with bluescreen problems. in the end, it depends greatly on your particluar hardware configuration.....much like any OS
Just a note, obviously I much prefer linux and osx over windows, which is why I don't use it. But when it comes to speed, XP is the overall winner. Of course, it was also VERY fast at crashing which it did w/n 20 minutes of the install. At first I was perturbed, but than remembered what I was dealing with.
I recently decided to migrate my girlfriend to a more user friendly linux distro. She had been using Gentoo for quite a while, but it was left up to me to do all the manual configurations, software updates, and installs. I wanted to give her something that she could use herself until she became more familar with the inner workings of linux....thus began my inadvertant testing of 3 major linux distros and one minor one.
First I tried mandrake. It had the repetation of being the most user friendly and I was told that the more recent releases had solved many of the instabilities that I had seen when I first tried it years ago. The install went flawlessly all hardware autodetected and drivers installed. I was simply tickled to death. But that did not last long, mandrake proved to be completely unstable and would hard lock several times a day. Also some "essential" programs for her would crash at the drop of a hat. K3b for example crashed everytime mp3's were dragged into the conversion window. Before it's mentioned all the hardware, ram, etc. was completely tested and perfectly ok. So mandrae flunked royally.
Next I tried Suse having heard many good things about it. Suse was the worst of the distros I tested. On the first install I fell victem to some weird, but not completely uncommon bug that resulted in modules compiled against a different version kernel than the kernel installed being used. Due to how slow the network install is this was a major PITA. Hardware detection was pitiful as well. It set my video card up with vesa drivers any attempt to change the driver to the proper one resulted in a hard lockup. Also sound did not work properly and my integrated NIC (every other distro possessed the module for it) was not supported by the install requiring that I pull a NIC out of another box and put use that instead. Furthermore, Suse has it's own way of doing things, so my knowledge of standard linux configuration was virtually useless.
Being fed up with the "user friendly" distros I was going to opt for a lesser known distro called Arch Linux which would take some amount of setting up, but had a binary package management based on apt that would make the installation quicker than reinstalling Gentoo. Installation was fine, most hardware was fine, standard use of config files....seemed promising. But the sound simply wouldn't work. Oddly enough Arts worked fine and all KDE system sounds worked, but not one media player would cooperate. No matter whether I used arts or tried to tap directly into alsa. Since this was Arch's only drawback, I spent quite a bit ot time trying to debug the setup but eventially admitted defeat. The weirdest thing was that it was somewhat sporadic. I would get it working, but at reboot it would fail again....or even just suddenly give out. A desktop with no sound simply isn't acceptible, so I moved on.
My last attempt was going to be Fedora Core 2. At this point I was irritated enough so that I was very close to just installing XP. Afterall I knew it would work and would probably only crash once a week or so...sort of a middle ground from the previous distros I'd tried. The reason Fedora was my last attempt was because I had tried it years before and it left such a sour taste in my mouth (dependency hell) that I had refused to even consider it up to this point. In short I had very low expectations. However, all devices were detected correctly during a painless and trouble free install. it had a clean interface and most importantly, everything *just worked*. The addition of Apt-get, synaptic, et al. Completely cured the dependancy troubles I had seen previously. Overall besides a few minor annoyances such as lack of default mp3 support and nvidia lagging with a full dri driver for the vid card, it was simply refreshing.
So I recognize that everyones experiences can vary. I don't claim that Fedora Core 2 is perfect for everyones particular setup, but for me it was not just a nice fit...it was the ONLY distro that fit at all.
On a side note, before
What would your suggestion be? To gather in numbers in an attempt to reasonable and peaceably express the youth's desire for greater freedom's in the areas of knowledge and communication? Perhaps demand a democratic state?
Oh wait, they tried that already.
Tianamen SquareI'm from the U.S. I think we've already adopted them last I checked.
I've already seen a lot of things happen in my lifetime. The collapse of the USSR, foes become friends and than foes again, a nerdy kid with an accute business sense become, arguably, the most powerful man in business, and a B actor become president.....it's not the things you expect to happen in your lifetime that come as a surprise, it's the ones you never thought were possible.
The power of open source lies in the fact that no one outside of western nations could give a rat's ass over who has what patents. If the west isn't careful they're going to sue themeselves into second place in the world economy......
If they merged, what would the new company be called?........Smegway?
1. I'm afraid your off your rocker if you think you can't build a custom pc for less than an off the shelf Dell. On the low-end this is true, mainly due to the margin of savings being so small on a $500 dollar PC, but the more you spend the more exagerated the savings become. But don't take my word for it, go to newegg and build a PC comparable to a nice Dell and compare. (I don't feel like doing the clicking for you). Also remember that Dell is going to go the cheap route everywhere they can, e.g., cas 3.0 ram instead of cas 2.0, or the fact the OEM vid cards are NOT the equal of their retail counterpart, etc, etc
2. I'll never buy a Dell again. Not because of the hardware or because of the problems I've had with my laptop (a few), but due to the utter lack of professionalism with which they handled my customer support. I purchased "Next Day at your door Service" with my laptop. It took them 3 months to repair my LCD....that includes twice sending out a tech guy with the wrong part, multiple mysteriously cancelled repair orders, being given non-existant employee ID #'s and names, promised "appeasement itmes" (digi cams, palm's, etc) that were never delivered, and on and on. In fact the NEVER did fix the damn LCD, but ended up shipping me another laptop altogether (which to their credit was a better model). However, to their detriment this laptop is only partly functional with linux whereas the previous, carefully chosen model was 100% compatible.
One last parting shot: Who the heck ever heard of a computer manufacturer who doesn't have online billpay
Ding!! Ding!! Ding!!
You've been awarded the Bigoted Idiot of the Week prize!!!
How's it feel to know your a complete and utter Jackass?Another thing, if Linux's "iptables" interface to netfilter challenges you, then you have no business using computers at all.
Congratulations! You've won "The 1337ist Statement of the Day Award"!!
This is a tragically popular misconception, expecially amongst the nerd herd that hasn't studied enough science. Philosophy+introspection was a great success, but is glaringly inadequete if logic+science is ignored.
What we can measure may not be all that there is, but anything else is of absolutely no consequence whatsoever. By definition that which which has an effect must be measureable, therefore if it is not measurable it does not effect our existence and is thus inconsequential in any description of reality.
So I will assert that "there's no mystery that is beyond apprehension". Beyond human apprehension, perhaps. But the quality of being apprehensible simply means that it follows a set of ordered rules that can be defined and that can be grasped....that have meaning. For example, advanced mathematics is undeniably apprehensible, though not by all.
time for class/p :D
Man, we're a little paranoid aren't we? Horde's of foaming at the mouth open source radicals?
Personally, I'm a firm supporter of free markets (in the Smith sense) and capitalist economies. Since Mircrosoft actively prevents fair competition (remember that? the cornerstone of the capitalist ideal?), I think they should be put in check. If you can actually present any reason why this thinking is wrong, by all means contribute. So far you just sound like a winy little biatch.