Mod - I realize you probably hate windows and all, I was just pointing out some facts. Notice that I stuck up for IBM - That has to count for something! lol..
"or are you just being another Microsoft apologist?"
I'd say no, considering I was actually backing up IBM's OS's (and they support Linux btw..)
"Care to back that up with some links"
Sure if you don't know how to use a search engine on your own:
Unix Links:
http://antivirus.about.com/cs/unixthreats/
http://www.viruslist.com/eng/viruslist.html?id=303 3
This one is the best:
http://www.users.qwest.net/~eballen1/virefs.html
BSD Links:
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99539.htm
And I'm not even going to bother with DOS links, if you don't think DOS had it's share, you know absolutely nothing.
"Worms, as in the ones that ravage the net, are almost an entirely Microsoft phenomena"
LOL, That's only because most of the computers on the net run windows.. Back in the day your statement would have been true if you replaced the word WIndows with "DNS" (or BIND). But hey, I guess since you use Linux you must know everything right?
Get a mainframe or get the f$@ out of here.
Who's the moron now??:p
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Sorry if I was hard on you. I read your website and it looks good, but I would put more of a point on saying "Outlook" or "Email" born virus as opposed to "Windows" virus, as really, it offers no protection against Windows virus. If you really want more info let me know, I consider myself to know a little bit *giggle* about this subject..:D
Thanks for posting the full article!
So it's a BATCH FILE generator they are getting worked up about? LOL!
Try running a search for "Virus Creation Laboratories" or "VCL", and you will see a tool that has been around since the EARLY 1990's that does a MUCH better job then a batch file creator. You can actually pick from a variety of languages and it will auto-generate the code.
(is it really good to post this stuff on/. anyways? I shudder thinking of how many script kiddies are probably reading this!).
A batch file Trojan, btw, is NOT a computer virus.
This is very true, but there content is more what I was speaking of. I would like to see other players, that's all, competition is normally a good thing..
This type of virus is at least a decade old, why worry about it now? In fact the older virus creation lab (Search for that if you want proof, you'll find it) automattically created self-morphing virii using the assembler 8086 code set. The sky isn't falling, and any virus detector can pick up morphing virii.
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Well that would do you absolutely NO good what-so-ever. It's amazing the amount of people that think they know about a subject, when they are really very ignorant...
Believe it or not there are "white hat" virus writters just like hackers.. YAM (Youth Against Macafee) was one of the biggest back in the day..
Here's why your wrong:
"I have written a how-to about using Mozilla Mail to avoid Windows viruses."
Well, it might help protect against an OUTLOOK virus, but how the hell does it prevent "Windows" type virus? If I stick an infected floppy into your computer does Mozilla block it?? lol..
Do you realize that computer the computer virus was born much earlier then the invention known as WINDOWS? In fact the only reason that Windows is such a huge target is because of how many users there are, nothing more. There are PLENTY of Unix/Linux/BSD/DOS, etc. virus out there. The only OS I know of that doesn't have virus problems would be s/390, and z/OS (ibm mainframe).
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I'm glad microsoft is getting into this kind of thing. National Geographic has been doing a dismal job over the past few months, and there really are not enough players in the game. It's funny, in my experience most geeks really do like the great outdoors, so it seems a proper marriage to me!
Yeah except normally those studies are on sleep deprevation. See how long we can keep him up, then see what it's like when he sleeps. That's definitely a "grass is greener" scenerio! If you want a job you can sleep all the time, you should apply as an airline pilot!:O
In all my life the only people that can see sex in plain numbers have been math teachers/professors, lol:
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It's like the number is a beautiful woman, and the decimal representation is the pornographic pictures she posed for when she was young and needed the money. Yes, it looks like her, and it may even be useful. But the real thing is *so* much better.
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You should read the book before passing such judgement. I think the point the original poster was trying to make was the fact that Dan Brown discussing the number Phi in great detail in his book. Phi was on of Da Vinci's favourite numbers.. And it really is a great book, and the point of the "research" and the "tired old conspiracy theories" is the fact that he uses his research as "FACT" to prove/disprove some of those conspiracy theories, which is definitely not "tired" nor "old".
It looked to me like the author eliminated all fact from his statements, and wrote it off the top of his head, in a feel good manner. The 14.4 wasn't commerically available until well into the 90's...
I agree, saying mainframes are dated technology is the EXACT same thing as saying "computers" are dated technology. None of the people running "Big Iron" now are using s/370, and NONE of them are using machines older 5-10 years (if you think that's dated, ur wrong). In fact, I'd say that Unix would fall victim to that statement before "mainframes", as "mainframes" have at least been evolving exponentially, but since people still label them "mainframes", most people believe they are the same machines that takes punch-cards... (Yeah, yeah, I know, the new machines still take punch cards.. but when's the last time you actually SAW a punch card?!)
I'll use preview next time...
The list is flawed, you can say the mainframe is dated technology, but that's only because it is completely backward technology. Most mainframe shops now-a-days are using z800, or z9x0 machines, which are definitely NOT out of date, in fact are way ahead of the times. Do you really think Amex, Visanet (Vital), MC, etc. would use dated technology?? The issue is, the mainframes are the only computers that are actually up to the job....
I can name at least 3 retailers that still support there credit card networks with WinNT 3.51. I can name at least 2 that still use OS/2, and at least 5 that still use DOS 6.0 or below. Windows NT 4 is still offically supported by Microsoft remember, so it doesn't really make it an old technology.
You could also mention s/360. "Generation 3 chips, from the 1960's". Then s/370, then s/390, basically, what I am trying to say is "Mainframe technology" is #11. Then you can add all the programming languages.. JCL (JES2, JES3) for example, is technology that's past 40 years old, REXX is fairly old, ASM - how old is assembler, anyone know?
Technology we wish would die : Windows NT..
Don't get too excited, since when has a "swarm" of anything been a good thing? I'm sure as sh*t that this will be a military dream come true. How hard would it be to shoot down 10,000 nanobot's using ordinary arms?
"Backwards compatibility is extremely overrated"
That's what Microsoft thinks too.. Guess what, the only thing that kept mainframes alive since 1962 has been it's amazing backwards compatibility. That's why I still believe, despite microsoft's money, and influence, that any _real_ player (i.e. Linux) truly has the ability to take over M$ market share, all pre-windows versions are obsolete, and could be replaced (and MUST be replaced) every x years, so why does it _HAVE_ to be replaced by M$? For a mainframe, there are MILLIONS of source code that date back to the early 70's that are STILL IN USE TODAY, you couldn't simply make them obsolete and discontinue software support, which means also, that the mainframe will not die for a VERY long time.
This is very true. IMHO once the ants deal with Prey, even though they have not been programmed to in any way, that will be real AI. AI is the ability to make decisions without ever having dealt with the scenerio before. An ant creating a "city" for example, isn't AI at all, it's good programming, yes, but not AI. If you suddenly add Prey to the equation and the ants learn ways to deal with said prey (evolution people!) then THAT would be true AI, and I feel we are still MINIMUM 5 years from this point..
As for the authors you mentioned, I started reading Dan Brown, and now I'm a true follower. Every technology he writes about is true. Another great one I'd like to add is "The Cobra Event" by Richard Preston. The technology covered in this book is SCARY. You may have heard of his book "The Hot Zone", I'd recommend Cobra event as the technology is more true-to-life. It was written years ago with future predictions on technology, and if you watch CNN at ALL you would know that his technology has become a reality, Bio-terrorism at it's scariest..
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Mod - I realize you probably hate windows and all, I was just pointing out some facts. Notice that I stuck up for IBM - That has to count for something! lol..
"or are you just being another Microsoft apologist?" I'd say no, considering I was actually backing up IBM's OS's (and they support Linux btw..) "Care to back that up with some links" Sure if you don't know how to use a search engine on your own: Unix Links: http://antivirus.about.com/cs/unixthreats/ http://www.viruslist.com/eng/viruslist.html?id=303 3
This one is the best:
http://www.users.qwest.net/~eballen1/virefs.html
BSD Links:
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99539.htm
And I'm not even going to bother with DOS links, if you don't think DOS had it's share, you know absolutely nothing.
"Worms, as in the ones that ravage the net, are almost an entirely Microsoft phenomena"
LOL, That's only because most of the computers on the net run windows.. Back in the day your statement would have been true if you replaced the word WIndows with "DNS" (or BIND). But hey, I guess since you use Linux you must know everything right?
Get a mainframe or get the f$@ out of here.
Who's the moron now?? :p
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Sorry if I was hard on you. I read your website and it looks good, but I would put more of a point on saying "Outlook" or "Email" born virus as opposed to "Windows" virus, as really, it offers no protection against Windows virus. If you really want more info let me know, I consider myself to know a little bit *giggle* about this subject.. :D
Thanks for posting the full article! So it's a BATCH FILE generator they are getting worked up about? LOL! Try running a search for "Virus Creation Laboratories" or "VCL", and you will see a tool that has been around since the EARLY 1990's that does a MUCH better job then a batch file creator. You can actually pick from a variety of languages and it will auto-generate the code. (is it really good to post this stuff on /. anyways? I shudder thinking of how many script kiddies are probably reading this!).
A batch file Trojan, btw, is NOT a computer virus.
This is very true, but there content is more what I was speaking of. I would like to see other players, that's all, competition is normally a good thing..
This type of virus is at least a decade old, why worry about it now? In fact the older virus creation lab (Search for that if you want proof, you'll find it) automattically created self-morphing virii using the assembler 8086 code set. The sky isn't falling, and any virus detector can pick up morphing virii.
Well that would do you absolutely NO good what-so-ever. It's amazing the amount of people that think they know about a subject, when they are really very ignorant... Believe it or not there are "white hat" virus writters just like hackers.. YAM (Youth Against Macafee) was one of the biggest back in the day.. Here's why your wrong: "I have written a how-to about using Mozilla Mail to avoid Windows viruses." Well, it might help protect against an OUTLOOK virus, but how the hell does it prevent "Windows" type virus? If I stick an infected floppy into your computer does Mozilla block it?? lol..
Do you realize that computer the computer virus was born much earlier then the invention known as WINDOWS? In fact the only reason that Windows is such a huge target is because of how many users there are, nothing more. There are PLENTY of Unix/Linux/BSD/DOS, etc. virus out there. The only OS I know of that doesn't have virus problems would be s/390, and z/OS (ibm mainframe). -=DR=-
I'm glad microsoft is getting into this kind of thing. National Geographic has been doing a dismal job over the past few months, and there really are not enough players in the game. It's funny, in my experience most geeks really do like the great outdoors, so it seems a proper marriage to me!
Yeah except normally those studies are on sleep deprevation. See how long we can keep him up, then see what it's like when he sleeps. That's definitely a "grass is greener" scenerio! If you want a job you can sleep all the time, you should apply as an airline pilot! :O
My idol. He has the dream job my friends. IT dream job? Setting up the Playboy mason's network. Number 2 : Any job in Amsterdam.
In all my life the only people that can see sex in plain numbers have been math teachers/professors, lol: " It's like the number is a beautiful woman, and the decimal representation is the pornographic pictures she posed for when she was young and needed the money. Yes, it looks like her, and it may even be useful. But the real thing is *so* much better. "
You should read the book before passing such judgement. I think the point the original poster was trying to make was the fact that Dan Brown discussing the number Phi in great detail in his book. Phi was on of Da Vinci's favourite numbers.. And it really is a great book, and the point of the "research" and the "tired old conspiracy theories" is the fact that he uses his research as "FACT" to prove/disprove some of those conspiracy theories, which is definitely not "tired" nor "old".
They are talking about Phi not Pi, Phi is an H of a lot cooler then Pi.. - Robert Langdon.
It looked to me like the author eliminated all fact from his statements, and wrote it off the top of his head, in a feel good manner. The 14.4 wasn't commerically available until well into the 90's...
I agree, saying mainframes are dated technology is the EXACT same thing as saying "computers" are dated technology. None of the people running "Big Iron" now are using s/370, and NONE of them are using machines older 5-10 years (if you think that's dated, ur wrong). In fact, I'd say that Unix would fall victim to that statement before "mainframes", as "mainframes" have at least been evolving exponentially, but since people still label them "mainframes", most people believe they are the same machines that takes punch-cards... (Yeah, yeah, I know, the new machines still take punch cards.. but when's the last time you actually SAW a punch card?!)
I'll use preview next time... The list is flawed, you can say the mainframe is dated technology, but that's only because it is completely backward technology. Most mainframe shops now-a-days are using z800, or z9x0 machines, which are definitely NOT out of date, in fact are way ahead of the times. Do you really think Amex, Visanet (Vital), MC, etc. would use dated technology?? The issue is, the mainframes are the only computers that are actually up to the job....
I can name at least 3 retailers that still support there credit card networks with WinNT 3.51. I can name at least 2 that still use OS/2, and at least 5 that still use DOS 6.0 or below. Windows NT 4 is still offically supported by Microsoft remember, so it doesn't really make it an old technology.
You could also mention s/360. "Generation 3 chips, from the 1960's". Then s/370, then s/390, basically, what I am trying to say is "Mainframe technology" is #11. Then you can add all the programming languages.. JCL (JES2, JES3) for example, is technology that's past 40 years old, REXX is fairly old, ASM - how old is assembler, anyone know? Technology we wish would die : Windows NT..
Don't get too excited, since when has a "swarm" of anything been a good thing? I'm sure as sh*t that this will be a military dream come true. How hard would it be to shoot down 10,000 nanobot's using ordinary arms?
"Backwards compatibility is extremely overrated" That's what Microsoft thinks too.. Guess what, the only thing that kept mainframes alive since 1962 has been it's amazing backwards compatibility. That's why I still believe, despite microsoft's money, and influence, that any _real_ player (i.e. Linux) truly has the ability to take over M$ market share, all pre-windows versions are obsolete, and could be replaced (and MUST be replaced) every x years, so why does it _HAVE_ to be replaced by M$? For a mainframe, there are MILLIONS of source code that date back to the early 70's that are STILL IN USE TODAY, you couldn't simply make them obsolete and discontinue software support, which means also, that the mainframe will not die for a VERY long time.
This is very true. IMHO once the ants deal with Prey, even though they have not been programmed to in any way, that will be real AI. AI is the ability to make decisions without ever having dealt with the scenerio before. An ant creating a "city" for example, isn't AI at all, it's good programming, yes, but not AI. If you suddenly add Prey to the equation and the ants learn ways to deal with said prey (evolution people!) then THAT would be true AI, and I feel we are still MINIMUM 5 years from this point.. As for the authors you mentioned, I started reading Dan Brown, and now I'm a true follower. Every technology he writes about is true. Another great one I'd like to add is "The Cobra Event" by Richard Preston. The technology covered in this book is SCARY. You may have heard of his book "The Hot Zone", I'd recommend Cobra event as the technology is more true-to-life. It was written years ago with future predictions on technology, and if you watch CNN at ALL you would know that his technology has become a reality, Bio-terrorism at it's scariest..