This is the self protection of the GPL and LGPL. It's saying that since I allow you to benefit from my work, you agree to allow me to do the same with yours. It's called collaboration. I've seen a bunch of programs with the BSD licence get used by proprietary software without having anything ever contributed back.
This stuff happens because you shouldn't build open/free software off proprietary software. If you want to use open software as a foundation or library for your proprietary software, that's fine...but you don't develop open source code with a closed source language. It defeats the purpose of it being open. Linus found out the hardway and I'm glad that Open Office will hopefully be having an easier time...
I'd like to see a source based distro that relied on Autopackage for it's application myself... You'd let your libraries, the kernel, userland, X, Gnome/KDE, and low level OS type software be custom compiled ala Gentoo, and then for all your software like Firefox, Gimp, Mplayer, etc you would use Autopackages. It would be quite a challenge to create, but it would be well worth it...Here are a few further thoughts I've had on it.
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The first Xbox and Xbox360 have completely different architecture. The only way they'll be able to make it backwards compatible is to run it through an emulator, and that'll usually kill alot of processing power. I'd imagine they're not saying yet b/c they're still not sure if they'll be able to pull it off or not...assuming "not" at the moment.
I'm going to have to disagree here... Both the graphics and level of immersion in Shenmue on the Dreamcast are still of a much higher quality than what can be found on the majority of PS2 games today. Not only that, but we never got to see anything past the first couple of second gen games...for all we know the Dreamcast could be doing some pretty incredible things right now if it were given the chance. Sega only dropped it b/c they were too far in debt from the Saturn, it's not that they didn't believe it could keep up.
Being that Red Hat is one of the largest financial contributors to Linux and open source, Microsoft buying them and cutting that funding would take a huge chunk out of who they see as their only real threat at market dominance, the open/free community.
Am I the only one failing to see what Quake 4 is going to offer that Doom 3 hasn't already? Same graphics? Yep. Same gameplay? Yep. Similar Multiplayer? Yep.... These guys should have just focused on making mods and expansions rather than trying to brand this as a seperate game. I figure after the onslaught of FPS we saw last year maybe they'd give us a break for a year or two...:P
Re:Enough with the Xbox hype already!
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I'll second that... I'm a huge open-source and linux proponent....but I'm also a gamer. Whether I like MS or not, the Xbox 360's looking mighty promising. As far as corporate policy... MS, Sony and even Nintendo are fairly similar, so until someone creats an Open Console...we'll just have to deal with what we've got.
I'd expect the "free live weekends" to be fairly sporatic and not that frequent. Think of how on cable they'll let you watch HBO for free like 3 weekends out of the year....
What's even more amazing is that there was a survey done somewhere, and quite a large portion of the average joes couldn't tell the difference between the PS1 and PS2's graphics...so good luck selling 'em this new generation;)
That word theoretical is the one to watch... I'm going to assume they are also taking into account the graphics hardware's power, so the GPU could account for 1/3 of that total teraflop they're advertising... Still, if it's anywhere near...we should see some nice cheap server farms once they get Linux on this one;)
"I seem to recall Sony talking down the original X-Box back in the day... only to come out with a PS/2 console which in many ways is technically inferior. I've got a feeling history is repeating."
This sentence bothers me... Xbox didn't even begin development till the same year PS2 came out. Perhaps you were thinking of the Dreamcast?
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PS3 folks should be very scared. Just as Sony proved last time, the system with the best graphics doesn't always win... With 8 times the RAM and a triple core PPC processor, I don't see how anyone could call it the Xbox 1.5 though. Unfortunately, once you get past the new graphical capabilities of the next gen...you're still sadly left with the same gameplay we've been seeing since the 32 bit days....maybe Nintendo's eledged "Revolution" is the one to really be afraid of if they can carry out that promise.
And you see guys...that's the REAL problem with DRM and copy protection... Hackers and pirates will always find a way to rip stuff. It's the regular user with genuine reasons, like backups or transfers, that pay the price. It's just a waste of...well....everything.
Their biggest customers are probably in the tv, film and music industry... I saw Macrovision warnings at the beginning of VHS tapes long before I ever heard of install shield.
Well, that's because it's a powerPC variant. It's not the same PPC we find in Mac's. The regular PPC processors are designed for multipurpose use, as these will designed with game specifics in mind. They'll be similar, but not the same.
Actually you run into the lowest common denominator problem on consoles too. Most games are released for all the systems, yet since PS2 is so much slower than the Xbox and GC...they don't look that much better on them. You might get larger textures and anti-aliasing but not much more than that. The same thing will happen for this next generation too unless it's an exclusive title.
Don't forget that this new graphics card is using the new "unified" shader crap...so yet another new complex thing to hinder open source development on. nVidia's already stated they think it's a dumb idea...
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This is the self protection of the GPL and LGPL. It's saying that since I allow you to benefit from my work, you agree to allow me to do the same with yours. It's called collaboration. I've seen a bunch of programs with the BSD licence get used by proprietary software without having anything ever contributed back.
This stuff happens because you shouldn't build open/free software off proprietary software. If you want to use open software as a foundation or library for your proprietary software, that's fine...but you don't develop open source code with a closed source language. It defeats the purpose of it being open. Linus found out the hardway and I'm glad that Open Office will hopefully be having an easier time...
I'd like to see a source based distro that relied on Autopackage for it's application myself... You'd let your libraries, the kernel, userland, X, Gnome/KDE, and low level OS type software be custom compiled ala Gentoo, and then for all your software like Firefox, Gimp, Mplayer, etc you would use Autopackages. It would be quite a challenge to create, but it would be well worth it...Here are a few further thoughts I've had on it.
The first Xbox and Xbox360 have completely different architecture. The only way they'll be able to make it backwards compatible is to run it through an emulator, and that'll usually kill alot of processing power. I'd imagine they're not saying yet b/c they're still not sure if they'll be able to pull it off or not...assuming "not" at the moment.
I'm going to have to disagree here... Both the graphics and level of immersion in Shenmue on the Dreamcast are still of a much higher quality than what can be found on the majority of PS2 games today. Not only that, but we never got to see anything past the first couple of second gen games...for all we know the Dreamcast could be doing some pretty incredible things right now if it were given the chance. Sega only dropped it b/c they were too far in debt from the Saturn, it's not that they didn't believe it could keep up.
Umm....what's with the MS bullshit? I was talking about selling any of the new systems, Xbox360 included jackass...lol.
Same thing I was thinking...
Being that Red Hat is one of the largest financial contributors to Linux and open source, Microsoft buying them and cutting that funding would take a huge chunk out of who they see as their only real threat at market dominance, the open/free community.
Well someone's got to compete with Unreal Tournament 2007!
Am I the only one failing to see what Quake 4 is going to offer that Doom 3 hasn't already? Same graphics? Yep. Same gameplay? Yep. Similar Multiplayer? Yep.... These guys should have just focused on making mods and expansions rather than trying to brand this as a seperate game. I figure after the onslaught of FPS we saw last year maybe they'd give us a break for a year or two... :P
I'll second that... I'm a huge open-source and linux proponent....but I'm also a gamer. Whether I like MS or not, the Xbox 360's looking mighty promising. As far as corporate policy... MS, Sony and even Nintendo are fairly similar, so until someone creats an Open Console...we'll just have to deal with what we've got.
I'd expect the "free live weekends" to be fairly sporatic and not that frequent. Think of how on cable they'll let you watch HBO for free like 3 weekends out of the year....
What's even more amazing is that there was a survey done somewhere, and quite a large portion of the average joes couldn't tell the difference between the PS1 and PS2's graphics...so good luck selling 'em this new generation ;)
That word theoretical is the one to watch... I'm going to assume they are also taking into account the graphics hardware's power, so the GPU could account for 1/3 of that total teraflop they're advertising... Still, if it's anywhere near...we should see some nice cheap server farms once they get Linux on this one ;)
I was kind of getting tired of the red and grey brick, but green? :P
Expect to be up to your armpits in PS3 hype too as of this afternoon around 3pm(pacific). Sony's having a pre-E3 press conference today.
"I seem to recall Sony talking down the original X-Box back in the day... only to come out with a PS/2 console which in many ways is technically inferior. I've got a feeling history is repeating."
This sentence bothers me... Xbox didn't even begin development till the same year PS2 came out. Perhaps you were thinking of the Dreamcast?
PS3 folks should be very scared. Just as Sony proved last time, the system with the best graphics doesn't always win... With 8 times the RAM and a triple core PPC processor, I don't see how anyone could call it the Xbox 1.5 though. Unfortunately, once you get past the new graphical capabilities of the next gen...you're still sadly left with the same gameplay we've been seeing since the 32 bit days....maybe Nintendo's eledged "Revolution" is the one to really be afraid of if they can carry out that promise.
And you see guys...that's the REAL problem with DRM and copy protection... Hackers and pirates will always find a way to rip stuff. It's the regular user with genuine reasons, like backups or transfers, that pay the price. It's just a waste of ...well....everything.
I have no problem with copyrights being protected as long as they're not being abused ;)
Their biggest customers are probably in the tv, film and music industry... I saw Macrovision warnings at the beginning of VHS tapes long before I ever heard of install shield.
I always perfered "LinXbox"
Well, that's because it's a powerPC variant. It's not the same PPC we find in Mac's. The regular PPC processors are designed for multipurpose use, as these will designed with game specifics in mind. They'll be similar, but not the same.
Actually you run into the lowest common denominator problem on consoles too. Most games are released for all the systems, yet since PS2 is so much slower than the Xbox and GC...they don't look that much better on them. You might get larger textures and anti-aliasing but not much more than that. The same thing will happen for this next generation too unless it's an exclusive title.
The Xbox 360 processor(s) have a shared L2 of 1MB
Don't forget that this new graphics card is using the new "unified" shader crap...so yet another new complex thing to hinder open source development on. nVidia's already stated they think it's a dumb idea...