Using my iPad now it's wonderful, truly "magical" and I hope you'll get one soon, I find Flash annoying even on my i7 iMac can't wait for it to vanish and the iPad is helping on that front
"The US, supported at the time by most of Europe, Australia, Britain, and a generous mittenful of others (many of whom also pledged troops in support of the mission, and some of whom still have troops there) entered Afghanistan to find Bin Laden."
Apple have never understood the key to success, get the enterprise and you get the world. RIM and MS took this approach and look where they got, large segments of the markets that Apple have been powerless to even encroach upon.
I believe you are absolutely incorrect here, Apple products often become popular "in the home" and work their way into business use. Think of iPhones for example, how large companies (apparently) would have a Blackberry only policy, due to complaints, iPhones also would become supported. I've heard personal stories from US friends who can be given a free business Blackberry, but would rather pay for their own iPhone.
I had friends who had Blackberries, who switched to an iPhone and could NEVER look back. Anecdotes do not equal statistical fact, that said, surely you believe the likes of Windows Mobile and Blackberry have a one way trip, DOWN?
I agree and use it the same way, yet, over the longterm, it would be a bit like expecting people to answer their MySpace or Bebo accounts now:)
I'm 22, the majority of my friends only seem to use Facebook for all communications, AND they dont bother with personal messages, all talk is public, for the world to see... including drunken photos.
I am rare in that I prefer to use email for any serious text conversation. Why go to Facebook, and use a tortured "message" system, which THEN sends an alert email to the receiver, as well as the actual message arriving on their Facebook account!?!
Whats most interesting, why will Google allow HD video to be uploaded to YouTube, but have a CRAZY 25MB attachment limit for Gmail messages? I can understand if they dont want people hosting movies on their email account, forwarding leaked movies from one person to another....but cmon! 25MB is nothing!
Sorry if I'm a moron, but are T Mobile and AT&T compatible GSM? Could you buy an iPhone, and unlock it?
I bought an Original iPhone, "locked to the AT&T network", and had it jailbroken/unlocked. It worked perfectly fine, although we never had um, "Edge" here in New Zealand, we moved to a faster technology.
I'm waiting for the iPhone 4 to come out here officially, it JUST came out, and instantly sold out, I'm on a couple week waiting list...not cool! I would not personally recommend jailbreaking unless NEEDED, I could not use my iPhone without it, it would be saying "wheres AT&T? Emergency Calls Only!". I've always been scared of security issues, relying on some anonymous person under a fake name to hack around with my thousand dollar plus cellphone? I've always only installed MAJOR OS updates, for fear of the admittedly simple Jailbreaking process, especially with the new website approach! Boy, it couldnt get any easier?!
If you want an iPhone, but not AT&T, you might be able to get your match made in heaven! Otherwise, although I am an Apple fan, I believe Android phones are now at least equal to the iPhone in MANY ways.
I still remember a friend bringing his handheld police scanner around a few years ago, it picked up "analog calls", I was TERRIFIED at first, as we heard two burly sounding men talking about "rust on a shitbox Ford", I wasnt sure if they could also hear me! I was quick to change the tuning.
Police Scanners have always seemed unlawful to me, our police force know how they are being heard, and they tell each other to ring a cellphone, "ring me on oh two one....", now I suppose those cellphones will ALSO be cracked into by the radio boffins.
boxwood, I really dont think Microsoft were "rigging" the demo any more than is obvious, surely the computers were standard, not some custom built "supercomputers" with TERABYTES of RAM etc!:) I'm a longtime Mac user, and think that this "Mojave Experiment" is a dirty trick...but cmon, I doubt it was REALLY stacked against the consumer?
I dont know where you live, but what I meant was, I live in New Zealand, the bottom of the world, and yet I know as well as anyone that AT&T SUCKS big time. They have just about the worst brand image I could think of....even worse than BP right now.
I get excited about new hardware reviews, Apple, Android...I was interested to hear about the HP Slate vapourware... And in nearly every review of the iPhone, AT&T is always mentioned, often as one of the one or two major drawbacks of the phone. I live at the other end of the world, and yet, its drummed into us in a way that would take BILLIONS in positive spin to alter, that AT&T is absolute shit, and should be abolished!
With your MBP, what happened? What was different in the store compared to when you got home? Did it start belching fire and smoke?:)
Vodafone NZ http://www.vodafone.co.nz/iphone/plans.jsp is the only "official carrier", but its not an exclusive deal, presumably the others could also carry the iPhone.
The plans are expensive if you ask me, look at how little "talk" we get compared to in the USA! No NZers really talk on a cellphone, for decades now we've all txted.
Of course, the iPhones bought online or from a store are "unlocked", and you can pop the Vodafone SIM out, to go to another network. Simple!
Overall, Telecom has the best network I think, in terms of speed, definitely, I'm sticking with prepaid on Vodafone as soon as I get my new iPhone 4 (out the 30th here), but might change later.
Thank you! I'm so sick of reading reviews of the iPhone, and OF COURSE there is only one country in the world....the world population is 300 Million, not 6-7 BILLION you know!
We get it, people all around the world think "AT&T" and think "Vista". Just like Microsoft's product, sure, there are people saying "its not as bad as you think, please, come back!"....but we dont buy it (in both senses of the phrase).
I mean....when you have a superb cellphone running on a network with "telegraph" in its name....then you just KNOW theres going to be issues!
I was quite sure I *HAD* seen online ads for the Nexus One. I am an iPhone user with a healthy respect for Android, and while I never liked the design of the phone, I thought the Nexus One was a very cool idea, to push boundaries and set a new standard of Android quality.
Now that was a small ad, but quite effective, many people I know refuse to use "search bars", they go to "dub dub dub dot google dot com". I'm adamant I saw actual large product photo ads elsewhere online.
Even the name, "Nexus One", is quite cool, and its a "droid"! So much potential, and being the "official" Android phone...how could it fail like this? At least an apparent failure for sales.
But there are fundamental limits to what the "free market" can give you, just look at the state of US cell networks! Different frequencies, simlocks (on the GSM phones, ignore those silly CDMA things), and inferior service.
I agree about "never having dropped calls", here in NZ 97% (quoted) of the country is covered, we rarely make phone calls, but I've never heard of a "dropped call" before. Certainly nothing like in the USA , where comments mention not being able to use their phones in their own house....or only in ONE SPOT on their property!
Of course this doesnt excuse any problems the iPhone 4 IS or IS NOT having, but its worth considering, outside of that one country, does anyone really have any problems with cellphones?
New Zealand is a small country, granted, but I've never had a "dropped call" here. I cant remember anyone I know ever having a dropped call. Yes, we have areas with no signal at all, in the middle of nowhere http://www.vodafone.co.nz/coverage/
What I'd like to know is if dropped calls are common worldwide? When I hear online tales of "five dropped calls every day" or "I cant even use my phone in my house/I can only use my phone in one spot"...its crazy! How did things get this way? I've heard the blame being dumped on lack of regulation....and certainly, if the USA seems to be the only place where this (commonly) happens, that could be reasonable?
Although, a friend is on a business trip to Turkey, and his hotel Wifi sucks, he keeps dropping off Skype calls, garbled audio etc, so perhaps that counts as "dropped calls" too ?:)
Here in New Zealand, I run my Original iPhone on a prepaid plan, I am charged from my remaining balance (I normally put on $20NZD (15 USD or so) at a time), and my imported iPhone cost only about....600USD all up.
New iPhones are about 1300 NZD here, for the top of the line, about 922 USD according to Google conversion. I dont think thats unreasonable for a phone that will last years, until you upgrade:)
I find it hard to imagine getting worked up over a Nokia! I know friends who five+ years ago lusted after different Nokia models, normally because they "folded" in some "cool" way, nothing really hardware specific, just they were "high end" and Nokia was the only game in town. I believe the main phone one friend liked was the "e70", http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_E70 , Maddox certainly approves, http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone , the market, not so much:)
I absolutely think Nokia need to move to Android, but what is really so great about Nokia? I've mentioned before, when I think of Nokia, I think of high end phones with very good cameras (for a cellphone), only available on the top....3? of their current THOUSAND models.....and the game Snake. Wow! Sony Ericsson is in the same situation, they are apparently known for having good hardware in the past, small sales...and how would they compete against the likes of Samsung (who OWN many facets of modern tech in the way Sony used to dominate) and HTC?
I'm an iPhone user, have no plans on switching to Android, but hold a healthy respect for Google's phone OS.
In my very humble opinion, Nokia doesnt offer anything unique or special.
i don't see why updates are so important. iphone1? it doesnt run ios3...
My Original iPhone is currently running 3.0, I dont have any more recent updates since my iPhone is jailbroken and unlocked, I dont enjoy risking my very expensive unsubsidised iPhone never sold in my country just to get a ".something" after the 3. There are some apps that I cannot run, that seem to mostly require connectivity updates in the OS, but normally, for almost all users, the Original iPhone runs iPhone OS 3.0+ just fine.
My iPhone is now three years old, it wont support "iOS" 4.0, I dont think thats a bad lifespan, tech needs to constantly move forward. I am going to buy an iPhone 4 just as soon as I possibly can, I'd buy one right this second if I could, but its not like my Original iPhone is TERRIBLY outdated to the point of being unusable!
I wasnt meaning to be a pedant, just clarifying that the Original iPhone still runs all the OS updates until this very latest 4.0 (also excluding iPad's 3.2 version)
A flop in whos language? The Original iPhone (I have one) was a seminal moment in Cellphone history...what other cellphone was half as revolutionary in recent years? Probably only the Motorola RAZR...
Out of all the people interested in the Original iPhone, how many were complaining? Just the nerds, I'd wager. "No removable battery! waaaa! waaaa!", is that such a problem? No video recording, that was definitely odd I agree, but not a deal breaker. No 3G, again, odd, but I STILL am not on a 3G plan, I currently live fine in 2010 without 3G.
Was the Original iPhone lacking in features of current, 2010 smartphones? Sure. But it was NEVER a "flop", I think you're thinking of the Microsoft Kin...
The thing is, can you actually imagine Nokia having high end hardware? Compared to say, HTC and other Android makers?
I think the majority of people know the Nokia brand as "high quality cameras" (on their "high end" phones) and Snake. Similar to Sony Ericsson, I dont see SE having kick ass phones anytime soon, people into Android have a zillion other brands offering lower prices, more features, better designs....people who like the iPhone have...Apple.
Being in a fickle, narrow niche means one stumble and you're seriously hurt.
As opposed to what, offering 4000 different models, all with different numerical names, "oh, I see you have the 4356, nearly as nice as my 4356i which has blue buttons", while going absolutely NOWHERE?
Where do Nokia make their sales? Do people get excited about each Nokia release? "mummy, one day, I'll save up and own a Nokia XXXX!"?
In New Zealand, the "feature phone" end of our carriers was generally all Nokia, you'd have black and white screens, as cheap as possible, a friggin' 4K "colour" screen model, a 65K colour model WITH A CAMERA!!!!!.... not terribly exciting. And then Samsung (and others) seem to have came in and taken over the featurephones offered here.
So, Nokia had NOTHING interesting or high end (apart from the N95 which was not really offered), nothing sexy, but lots of cheap junk, which was promptly beaten in price by other makers! Sounds a lot like the PC market....just competing on price will get you nowhere.
How many models do you want? High end manufacturers should focus on making the BEST products in the world, you wouldnt ask Lamborghini to make Tractors or...boat engines would you?
Ok, bad example, yet, do you hear "Lamborghini" and think of boats or tractors? If you were Steve Jobs, would you want to make a crappy "feature phone"?
I love the iPhone, I highly respect Android. I'd figure that the future is all Google VS Apple, Apple will still have the iPhone (and iTouch, iPad), Google software will run on all other phones. Todays "high end" is tomorrows bargain basement. Why continue "feature phones" anyway? I feel embarrassed for my friends and relatives with such shitty phones.
Out of all the Nokia models, which are actually good? You can argue you need a cheap "candybar" format, a cheap "flip"...and then what? A hundred different crappy phones running the same crappy OS? With a handful of (sort of) high specced phones running a COMPLETELY different OS with poor support?
I totally agree, and CANNOT understand how ANYONE here could ever defend Nokia's current position. The way they have stumbled, its almost "Microsoft-esque", constant F*** ups, crappy products, no marketing...
Yes, Microsoft apparently holds the majority of users...and yet where is the buzz? The Vibrancy, the life? Sure as hell not with Microsoft!
I am an iPhone user and tremendously respect Android. I wouldnt know how to surmise my feelings towards both Microsoft and Nokia in the phone market...what must it feel like to compete against Google and Apple? To work on product after product that goes nowhere, and FAST! Hmm, perhaps thats a feature?:)
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Using my iPad now it's wonderful, truly "magical" and I hope you'll get one soon, I find Flash annoying even on my i7 iMac can't wait for it to vanish and the iPad is helping on that front
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I believe you are absolutely incorrect here, Apple products often become popular "in the home" and work their way into business use. Think of iPhones for example, how large companies (apparently) would have a Blackberry only policy, due to complaints, iPhones also would become supported. I've heard personal stories from US friends who can be given a free business Blackberry, but would rather pay for their own iPhone.
I had friends who had Blackberries, who switched to an iPhone and could NEVER look back. Anecdotes do not equal statistical fact, that said, surely you believe the likes of Windows Mobile and Blackberry have a one way trip, DOWN?
I agree and use it the same way, yet, over the longterm, it would be a bit like expecting people to answer their MySpace or Bebo accounts now :)
I'm 22, the majority of my friends only seem to use Facebook for all communications, AND they dont bother with personal messages, all talk is public, for the world to see... including drunken photos.
Its also not a server, so why give me this status update:
"You are currently using 446 MB (5%) of your 7485 MB"
I'm a heavy user of email, and am only using 5% of what I receive...for FREE.
What non-commercial user needs 7GB of free online text storage? Really "640MB ought to be enough for anyone", just let me send a video to my friends!
I am rare in that I prefer to use email for any serious text conversation. Why go to Facebook, and use a tortured "message" system, which THEN sends an alert email to the receiver, as well as the actual message arriving on their Facebook account!?!
Whats most interesting, why will Google allow HD video to be uploaded to YouTube, but have a CRAZY 25MB attachment limit for Gmail messages? I can understand if they dont want people hosting movies on their email account, forwarding leaked movies from one person to another....but cmon! 25MB is nothing!
Sorry if I'm a moron, but are T Mobile and AT&T compatible GSM? Could you buy an iPhone, and unlock it?
I bought an Original iPhone, "locked to the AT&T network", and had it jailbroken/unlocked. It worked perfectly fine, although we never had um, "Edge" here in New Zealand, we moved to a faster technology.
I'm waiting for the iPhone 4 to come out here officially, it JUST came out, and instantly sold out, I'm on a couple week waiting list...not cool! I would not personally recommend jailbreaking unless NEEDED, I could not use my iPhone without it, it would be saying "wheres AT&T? Emergency Calls Only!". I've always been scared of security issues, relying on some anonymous person under a fake name to hack around with my thousand dollar plus cellphone? I've always only installed MAJOR OS updates, for fear of the admittedly simple Jailbreaking process, especially with the new website approach! Boy, it couldnt get any easier?!
If you want an iPhone, but not AT&T, you might be able to get your match made in heaven! Otherwise, although I am an Apple fan, I believe Android phones are now at least equal to the iPhone in MANY ways.
Good luck!
I still remember a friend bringing his handheld police scanner around a few years ago, it picked up "analog calls", I was TERRIFIED at first, as we heard two burly sounding men talking about "rust on a shitbox Ford", I wasnt sure if they could also hear me! I was quick to change the tuning.
Police Scanners have always seemed unlawful to me, our police force know how they are being heard, and they tell each other to ring a cellphone, "ring me on oh two one....", now I suppose those cellphones will ALSO be cracked into by the radio boffins.
boxwood, I really dont think Microsoft were "rigging" the demo any more than is obvious, surely the computers were standard, not some custom built "supercomputers" with TERABYTES of RAM etc! :) I'm a longtime Mac user, and think that this "Mojave Experiment" is a dirty trick...but cmon, I doubt it was REALLY stacked against the consumer?
:)
I dont know where you live, but what I meant was, I live in New Zealand, the bottom of the world, and yet I know as well as anyone that AT&T SUCKS big time. They have just about the worst brand image I could think of....even worse than BP right now.
I get excited about new hardware reviews, Apple, Android...I was interested to hear about the HP Slate vapourware... And in nearly every review of the iPhone, AT&T is always mentioned, often as one of the one or two major drawbacks of the phone. I live at the other end of the world, and yet, its drummed into us in a way that would take BILLIONS in positive spin to alter, that AT&T is absolute shit, and should be abolished!
With your MBP, what happened? What was different in the store compared to when you got home? Did it start belching fire and smoke?
hi antdude,
Vodafone NZ http://www.vodafone.co.nz/iphone/plans.jsp is the only "official carrier", but its not an exclusive deal, presumably the others could also carry the iPhone.
The plans are expensive if you ask me, look at how little "talk" we get compared to in the USA! No NZers really talk on a cellphone, for decades now we've all txted. Of course, the iPhones bought online or from a store are "unlocked", and you can pop the Vodafone SIM out, to go to another network. Simple!
Overall, Telecom has the best network I think, in terms of speed, definitely, I'm sticking with prepaid on Vodafone as soon as I get my new iPhone 4 (out the 30th here), but might change later.
Thank you! I'm so sick of reading reviews of the iPhone, and OF COURSE there is only one country in the world....the world population is 300 Million, not 6-7 BILLION you know!
We get it, people all around the world think "AT&T" and think "Vista". Just like Microsoft's product, sure, there are people saying "its not as bad as you think, please, come back!"....but we dont buy it (in both senses of the phrase).
I mean....when you have a superb cellphone running on a network with "telegraph" in its name....then you just KNOW theres going to be issues!
Perhaps AT&T should rebrand as Cingular again? The ol' Mohave Experiment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojave_Experiment
I was quite sure I *HAD* seen online ads for the Nexus One. I am an iPhone user with a healthy respect for Android, and while I never liked the design of the phone, I thought the Nexus One was a very cool idea, to push boundaries and set a new standard of Android quality.
Excuse the source, http://techcrunch.com/2010/01/06/nexus-one-google-homepage/
Now that was a small ad, but quite effective, many people I know refuse to use "search bars", they go to "dub dub dub dot google dot com". I'm adamant I saw actual large product photo ads elsewhere online.
Even the name, "Nexus One", is quite cool, and its a "droid"! So much potential, and being the "official" Android phone...how could it fail like this? At least an apparent failure for sales.
But there are fundamental limits to what the "free market" can give you, just look at the state of US cell networks! Different frequencies, simlocks (on the GSM phones, ignore those silly CDMA things), and inferior service.
Its embarrassing.
I agree about "never having dropped calls", here in NZ 97% (quoted) of the country is covered, we rarely make phone calls, but I've never heard of a "dropped call" before. Certainly nothing like in the USA , where comments mention not being able to use their phones in their own house....or only in ONE SPOT on their property!
Of course this doesnt excuse any problems the iPhone 4 IS or IS NOT having, but its worth considering, outside of that one country, does anyone really have any problems with cellphones?
New Zealand is a small country, granted, but I've never had a "dropped call" here. I cant remember anyone I know ever having a dropped call. Yes, we have areas with no signal at all, in the middle of nowhere http://www.vodafone.co.nz/coverage/
:)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_signal
What I'd like to know is if dropped calls are common worldwide? When I hear online tales of "five dropped calls every day" or "I cant even use my phone in my house/I can only use my phone in one spot"...its crazy! How did things get this way? I've heard the blame being dumped on lack of regulation....and certainly, if the USA seems to be the only place where this (commonly) happens, that could be reasonable?
Although, a friend is on a business trip to Turkey, and his hotel Wifi sucks, he keeps dropping off Skype calls, garbled audio etc, so perhaps that counts as "dropped calls" too ?
Thank you for your insight :)
....600USD all up.
:)
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Here in New Zealand, I run my Original iPhone on a prepaid plan, I am charged from my remaining balance (I normally put on $20NZD (15 USD or so) at a time), and my imported iPhone cost only about
New iPhones are about 1300 NZD here, for the top of the line, about 922 USD according to Google conversion. I dont think thats unreasonable for a phone that will last years, until you upgrade
I find it hard to imagine getting worked up over a Nokia! I know friends who five+ years ago lusted after different Nokia models, normally because they "folded" in some "cool" way, nothing really hardware specific, just they were "high end" and Nokia was the only game in town. I believe the main phone one friend liked was the "e70", http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_E70 , Maddox certainly approves, http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone , the market, not so much
Thank you for your opinion!
I absolutely think Nokia need to move to Android, but what is really so great about Nokia? I've mentioned before, when I think of Nokia, I think of high end phones with very good cameras (for a cellphone), only available on the top....3? of their current THOUSAND models.....and the game Snake. Wow! Sony Ericsson is in the same situation, they are apparently known for having good hardware in the past, small sales...and how would they compete against the likes of Samsung (who OWN many facets of modern tech in the way Sony used to dominate) and HTC?
I'm an iPhone user, have no plans on switching to Android, but hold a healthy respect for Google's phone OS.
In my very humble opinion, Nokia doesnt offer anything unique or special.
i don't see why updates are so important. iphone1? it doesnt run ios3...
My Original iPhone is currently running 3.0, I dont have any more recent updates since my iPhone is jailbroken and unlocked, I dont enjoy risking my very expensive unsubsidised iPhone never sold in my country just to get a ".something" after the 3. There are some apps that I cannot run, that seem to mostly require connectivity updates in the OS, but normally, for almost all users, the Original iPhone runs iPhone OS 3.0+ just fine.
My iPhone is now three years old, it wont support "iOS" 4.0, I dont think thats a bad lifespan, tech needs to constantly move forward. I am going to buy an iPhone 4 just as soon as I possibly can, I'd buy one right this second if I could, but its not like my Original iPhone is TERRIBLY outdated to the point of being unusable!
I wasnt meaning to be a pedant, just clarifying that the Original iPhone still runs all the OS updates until this very latest 4.0 (also excluding iPad's 3.2 version)
The 1st generation iPhone was a flop...
A flop in whos language? The Original iPhone (I have one) was a seminal moment in Cellphone history...what other cellphone was half as revolutionary in recent years? Probably only the Motorola RAZR...
Out of all the people interested in the Original iPhone, how many were complaining? Just the nerds, I'd wager. "No removable battery! waaaa! waaaa!", is that such a problem? No video recording, that was definitely odd I agree, but not a deal breaker. No 3G, again, odd, but I STILL am not on a 3G plan, I currently live fine in 2010 without 3G.
Was the Original iPhone lacking in features of current, 2010 smartphones? Sure. But it was NEVER a "flop", I think you're thinking of the Microsoft Kin...
The thing is, can you actually imagine Nokia having high end hardware? Compared to say, HTC and other Android makers?
I think the majority of people know the Nokia brand as "high quality cameras" (on their "high end" phones) and Snake. Similar to Sony Ericsson, I dont see SE having kick ass phones anytime soon, people into Android have a zillion other brands offering lower prices, more features, better designs....people who like the iPhone have...Apple.
Where is Nokia's niche?
Being in a fickle, narrow niche means one stumble and you're seriously hurt.
As opposed to what, offering 4000 different models, all with different numerical names, "oh, I see you have the 4356, nearly as nice as my 4356i which has blue buttons", while going absolutely NOWHERE?
Where do Nokia make their sales? Do people get excited about each Nokia release? "mummy, one day, I'll save up and own a Nokia XXXX!"?
In New Zealand, the "feature phone" end of our carriers was generally all Nokia, you'd have black and white screens, as cheap as possible, a friggin' 4K "colour" screen model, a 65K colour model WITH A CAMERA!!!!!.... not terribly exciting. And then Samsung (and others) seem to have came in and taken over the featurephones offered here.
So, Nokia had NOTHING interesting or high end (apart from the N95 which was not really offered), nothing sexy, but lots of cheap junk, which was promptly beaten in price by other makers! Sounds a lot like the PC market....just competing on price will get you nowhere.
How many models do you want? High end manufacturers should focus on making the BEST products in the world, you wouldnt ask Lamborghini to make Tractors or ...boat engines would you?
Ok, bad example, yet, do you hear "Lamborghini" and think of boats or tractors? If you were Steve Jobs, would you want to make a crappy "feature phone"?
I love the iPhone, I highly respect Android. I'd figure that the future is all Google VS Apple, Apple will still have the iPhone (and iTouch, iPad), Google software will run on all other phones. Todays "high end" is tomorrows bargain basement. Why continue "feature phones" anyway? I feel embarrassed for my friends and relatives with such shitty phones.
Out of all the Nokia models, which are actually good? You can argue you need a cheap "candybar" format, a cheap "flip"...and then what? A hundred different crappy phones running the same crappy OS? With a handful of (sort of) high specced phones running a COMPLETELY different OS with poor support?
I totally agree, and CANNOT understand how ANYONE here could ever defend Nokia's current position. The way they have stumbled, its almost "Microsoft-esque", constant F*** ups, crappy products, no marketing...
:)
Yes, Microsoft apparently holds the majority of users...and yet where is the buzz? The Vibrancy, the life? Sure as hell not with Microsoft!
I am an iPhone user and tremendously respect Android. I wouldnt know how to surmise my feelings towards both Microsoft and Nokia in the phone market...what must it feel like to compete against Google and Apple? To work on product after product that goes nowhere, and FAST! Hmm, perhaps thats a feature?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybian
Just imagine how different things would be had the iPhone been exclusive to Verizon, like SJ originally planned...
:)
That said, in the USA, its not like the iPhone has been a terrible flop