thats ok, in 20 years time routing internet traffic through America will be like moving spice through the Khyber pass. We'll just route around your broken ass antiquated technology.
ack apologies for any misconceptions... no I cant find where I thought I read that...
I realise Chris dibona is only a OSM for google but do you know if its maybe him I'm thinking of?
I do vaguely remember there being some management/board involvement with google but for the life of me I cant find my reference! guess I should lay off the crack pipe:)
I have to be honest... but I really dont think MS could take the DRM out of Vista even if they wanted to without re-releasing the OS. I hate the DRM as much as the next guy but I think Vista is riddled with DRM from the kernel up like a old plank is riddled with woodworm.
I meant ipods here when I said iTunes.... and when I say ipods I mean the new ipods.. -- my bad for the typo. I also realise that you guys will crack it eventually, but the reality is if Jobs really thought of the consumer he wouldn't be actively preventing it.
I dont know.... if Apple thought just once they could get a large enough slice of the MS pie, I think they would jump at the chance. I just think they have been staying out of the 'direct line of fire' with Microsoft because they know they cant compete with MS directly in this build them cheap sell them quick world.
yes, but can you use those 3rd party devices with iTunes? Can you use iTunes with Linux? do Apple actively fvck with the software to prevent it? Do they put chips in their accessories to prevent 'cheap knock offs' ?
I wouldnt mind if apple didnt support such behaviour... but to actively go against is makes them ALMOST as bad as Microsoft in my eyes:-|
I'll also add... that a lot of the old apple 'fan boys' have already switched their macs to Ubuntu.
Being quite a fan of OSX myself... I kinda share your own thoughts on this, but I also know that the large car manufacturers have already been pulled over the coals by the governments for monopolistic practices against their competitors and third parties. Imho software should be written for the hardware, Microsoft should not be able to dictate to Nvidia what will be on their graphics cards due to the implementation in DirectX.
But hey, if I excluded Apple from my analogy I'd only get flamed for being a steve jobs 'worshipper':-|
Doesnt Microsoft have a PC brand in india? I wouldn't mind them bundling Windows with that, after all its their hardware...
But then again you could say the same for Apples 'monopoly' on ipods and iTunes....
I think that you could argue since Apple make the hardware then they should be allowed to provide the software with the machine, but what do you have against an extra tick box at the Apple store?
itunes comes with iLife, not OSX... (pretty sure of it ?)
Is there a version of quicktime with OSX? not sure about that... probably.
I think after the Netscape/IE débâcle.. Apple and almost every other OS manufacturer felt they had to include something... I cant blame them really, An OS without a browser is kinda unthinkable. But 10 years ago when this case originally came about, that was a different story.
OSX does come with a basic dvd player... but its hardly Windows media player by anyones standards. Maybe Apple should now include iMovie 06 to compete with Movie maker 2? (it would make a lot of Apple fans happy;) )
It all sounds like a great big arms race to me, that in the end nobody (with enough money) will win. If Microsoft had been left to their own devices -- would we be going back to the draconian days of unix?
I say fuck them all... if everyone (including Apple) stopped bundling their shite to consumers then people could choose on real price and not who is shagging who:P
"before jobs left to start up Next, he wanted to open up the OS to other vendors. It was his successors that brought the idea at Apple to fruition and nearly bankrupted the company"
My point being, that this time Apple might be in a better position to do that.... since Apple are selling an OS that people seem to actually want. What you said is true though, and that was why I said it wouldn't surprise me if Apple was wary about doing it again.
Apple didn't screw the clone makers to intentionally malicious, I think they were just in serious trouble and that was the last 'nuclear' bomb they had left.
I realise this is OT, but as much I'd love to see OSX on beige box machines, and I do appreciate my mac..... Apple is becoming a monopoly in portable audio. From what they have done so far, they could be worse than Microsoft has ever been in the same ballpark as MS.
I don't think it would be a problem for Apple... in fact it might be the best opportunity for apple to sell OSX on beige box PCs. Contrary to popular belief, before jobs left to start up Next, he wanted to open up the OS to other vendors. It was his successors that brought the idea at Apple to fruition and nearly bankrupted the company at a time when Microsoft was bullying vendors with threats and pay offs. Having brought Apple back into the black, I cant say I blame Steve for having changed his mind since being at Next.
Rhetorical hypothetical question... but is it sheer coincidence that both BeOS and NeXT became liabilities when they decided to target x86 architectures and unbundle their OS? OR, was this destined to happen anyway due to their own proprietary platforms and was a last gasp for air from any desperate company before sinking with their ship?
(I'm not suggesting NeXT failed in the market place, but you have to admit I think Steve was relieved when they merged with Apple.)
The reason apple have gotten away with it so far is that they dont bundle apps with the OS, but more apps with the hardware like dell 'bundles' AOL, Windows etc -- Apple bundles iLife and iwork trials.
YES the new policy would mean Apple would have to think about changing strategy, but I do believe that making it illegal to bundle an OS with a computer would be one of the best things to happen in recent times for the Consumer.
You could argue that Apple only has its name left to protect..... but if that argument is true then OSX is always associated with Apple. The reality of it is, I don't believe the majority of those valid OSX licenses own the Vista license they bootcamp from. XP yes? but you could hardly turn a corner without XP being peddled almost free of charge once.
I do however think that the price of OSX would go up to the $180 -$200 mark because in the past the hardware and limited marketshare subsidized the price of the software. I might even consider putting it on my Linux box.... or maybe not.
Yes,I like my Linux and my macs... I'm no apple fan boy but I despise what MS has done to the industry more than I love Steve Jobs. I for one, welcome our new hardware overlords without Pre-installed crap, just think! this would mean no more AOL and Norton trials:P (a plus even for windows users)
What I've said for years is that "Software should be written for the hardware, NOT the other way around" Would we all not be happy if soft 'win' modems never existed? In the vision the EU wants.... they never would have.
whats good for the goose is good for the gander, and Since the TPB has done nothing illegal in their country.... Media defender under the request of all the movie studios have in fact been hacking DDOSing and exploiting TPB.
I dont understand where the issue here is:
TPB has, like google... done nothing wrong legally OTOH The MAFIAA obviously has...
clear cut case, question really is who should pay what damages -- The media conglomerates should be used to buck passing, they cant even pay their own artists fairly.
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thats ok, in 20 years time routing internet traffic through America will be like moving spice through the Khyber pass. We'll just route around your broken ass antiquated technology.
depends on the country you live in you insensitive American clod! ... now how did I guess you were American?
ack apologies for any misconceptions ... no I cant find where I thought I read that...
:)
I realise Chris dibona is only a OSM for google but do you know if its maybe him I'm thinking of?
I do vaguely remember there being some management/board involvement with google but for the life of me I cant find my reference!
guess I should lay off the crack pipe
It turned me off when I heard us Euros were losing backwards hardware compatibility when you Americans weren't.... Now I just wont bother my ass :-|
But then, I was always going to be a hard sell in the first place.
I hate to be the tinfoil hat wearer here but I blame google....
:-|
Google has no incentive in TB surviving....
Google provides Mozilla with LOTS of funding and has a director on board?
coincidence?
I noticed your post had a few typos... but I'm not a nazi
:)
One question though, was the 'aiming for the KY' intentional?
I wonder how many 'borrowed' copies of leopard have been booted off of ipods :)
rumours are, thats exactly what they are doing :-| but just a 'smidgen' more bug fixes
I have to be honest... but I really dont think MS could take the DRM out of Vista even if they wanted to without re-releasing the OS. I hate the DRM as much as the next guy but I think Vista is riddled with DRM from the kernel up like a old plank is riddled with woodworm.
"wooosh"
AKA "I don't want to admit I'm illiterate and will pretend the 'joke' flew over his head"
grats!
Yes.... but when you then threaten to take that incentive away (which MS has done repeatedly in the past) I'd consider that forcing
"Can you use iTunes with Linux?"
I meant ipods here when I said iTunes.... and when I say ipods I mean the new ipods.. -- my bad for the typo.
I also realise that you guys will crack it eventually, but the reality is if Jobs really thought of the consumer he wouldn't be actively preventing it.
I dont know.... if Apple thought just once they could get a large enough slice of the MS pie, I think they would jump at the chance. I just think they have been staying out of the 'direct line of fire' with Microsoft because they know they cant compete with MS directly in this build them cheap sell them quick world.
yes, but can you use those 3rd party devices with iTunes?
:-|
Can you use iTunes with Linux? do Apple actively fvck with the software to prevent it?
Do they put chips in their accessories to prevent 'cheap knock offs' ?
I wouldnt mind if apple didnt support such behaviour... but to actively go against is makes them ALMOST as bad as Microsoft in my eyes
lol like updating to 10.4.10?
:-|
:P -- everything else worked fine tho!
I had partial success with that.... sadly it couldnt detect one of my SATA controllers... so I had to give up
stoopid fricking Promise controllers
Now THAT would be something worth seeing :)
:D /ducks
Although in my 'perfect world' Microsoft would be split up into 3 separate entities... OS - Office - Gaming
I can dream right ?
I'll also add... that a lot of the old apple 'fan boys' have already switched their macs to Ubuntu.
:-|
Being quite a fan of OSX myself... I kinda share your own thoughts on this, but I also know that the large car manufacturers have already been pulled over the coals by the governments for monopolistic practices against their competitors and third parties. Imho software should be written for the hardware, Microsoft should not be able to dictate to Nvidia what will be on their graphics cards due to the implementation in DirectX.
But hey, if I excluded Apple from my analogy I'd only get flamed for being a steve jobs 'worshipper'
Doesnt Microsoft have a PC brand in india? I wouldn't mind them bundling Windows with that, after all its their hardware...
But then again you could say the same for Apples 'monopoly' on ipods and iTunes....
I think that you could argue since Apple make the hardware then they should be allowed to provide the software with the machine, but what do you have against an extra tick box at the Apple store?
itunes comes with iLife, not OSX... (pretty sure of it ?)
;) )
Is there a version of quicktime with OSX? not sure about that... probably.
I think after the Netscape/IE débâcle.. Apple and almost every other OS manufacturer felt they had to include something... I cant blame them really, An OS without a browser is kinda unthinkable. But 10 years ago when this case originally came about, that was a different story.
OSX does come with a basic dvd player... but its hardly Windows media player by anyones standards. Maybe Apple should now include iMovie 06 to compete with Movie maker 2? (it would make a lot of Apple fans happy
It all sounds like a great big arms race to me, that in the end nobody (with enough money) will win. If Microsoft had been left to their own devices -- would we be going back to the draconian days of unix?
And thats a good thing?
I say fuck them all... if everyone (including Apple) stopped bundling their shite to consumers then people could choose on real price and not who is shagging who:P
I'm not trying to be critical or offensive...
but I'm guessing you missed this part
"before jobs left to start up Next, he wanted to open up the OS to other vendors. It was his successors that brought the idea at Apple to fruition and nearly bankrupted the company"
My point being, that this time Apple might be in a better position to do that.... since Apple are selling an OS that people seem to actually want. What you said is true though, and that was why I said it wouldn't surprise me if Apple was wary about doing it again.
Apple didn't screw the clone makers to intentionally malicious, I think they were just in serious trouble and that was the last 'nuclear' bomb they had left.
I realise this is OT, but as much I'd love to see OSX on beige box machines, and I do appreciate my mac..... Apple is becoming a monopoly in portable audio. From what they have done so far, they could be worse than Microsoft has ever been in the same ballpark as MS.
I don't think it would be a problem for Apple... in fact it might be the best opportunity for apple to sell OSX on beige box PCs. Contrary to popular belief, before jobs left to start up Next, he wanted to open up the OS to other vendors. It was his successors that brought the idea at Apple to fruition and nearly bankrupted the company at a time when Microsoft was bullying vendors with threats and pay offs. Having brought Apple back into the black, I cant say I blame Steve for having changed his mind since being at Next.
:P (a plus even for windows users)
Rhetorical hypothetical question... but is it sheer coincidence that both BeOS and NeXT became liabilities when they decided to target x86 architectures and unbundle their OS? OR, was this destined to happen anyway due to their own proprietary platforms and was a last gasp for air from any desperate company before sinking with their ship?
(I'm not suggesting NeXT failed in the market place, but you have to admit I think Steve was relieved when they merged with Apple.)
The reason apple have gotten away with it so far is that they dont bundle apps with the OS, but more apps with the hardware like dell 'bundles' AOL, Windows etc -- Apple bundles iLife and iwork trials.
YES the new policy would mean Apple would have to think about changing strategy, but I do believe that making it illegal to bundle an OS with a computer would be one of the best things to happen in recent times for the Consumer.
You could argue that Apple only has its name left to protect..... but if that argument is true then OSX is always associated with Apple. The reality of it is, I don't believe the majority of those valid OSX licenses own the Vista license they bootcamp from. XP yes? but you could hardly turn a corner without XP being peddled almost free of charge once.
I do however think that the price of OSX would go up to the $180 -$200 mark because in the past the hardware and limited marketshare subsidized the price of the software. I might even consider putting it on my Linux box.... or maybe not.
Yes,I like my Linux and my macs... I'm no apple fan boy but I despise what MS has done to the industry more than I love Steve Jobs.
I for one, welcome our new hardware overlords without Pre-installed crap, just think! this would mean no more AOL and Norton trials
What I've said for years is that "Software should be written for the hardware, NOT the other way around" Would we all not be happy if soft 'win' modems never existed? In the vision the EU wants.... they never would have.
whats good for the goose is good for the gander, and Since the TPB has done nothing illegal in their country.... Media defender under the request of all the movie studios have in fact been hacking DDOSing and exploiting TPB.
I dont understand where the issue here is:
TPB has, like google... done nothing wrong legally
OTOH The MAFIAA obviously has...
clear cut case, question really is who should pay what damages -- The media conglomerates should be used to buck passing, they cant even pay their own artists fairly.