>>>The 'old' strategy was aimless development of so many different handsets it was nuts.
Apple circa 1995, when they were on the verge of bankruptcy. Commodore circa 1993 and they did go bankrupt. Too many models can confuse customers - better to focus on just a few.
Commodore didn't have too many models. It went bankrupt because it was too slow to upgrade it's computers. And it, and other companies didn't understand what the computer market was turning into.
Now, the video game crash in 1984 was because of too many models (games) most of which sucked flooding the market.
Do you code? If not then how do you hack anything? You just load ROMs. So you're a modder. Now you may love the lifestyle, but in my not so humble opinion if you don't write code you really can only "hack" mechanical things because you can't alter the software of anything controlled by code. You can get other people to write it for you and run it. But does that really meet the definition? If so then I'm a mechanic. If that's the bar then half the world can be listed as hackers for jail breaking their phone. No sir you are a scenester. Which is okay I guess If you just want to look like you're a bad ass. Like those guys with all the Celtic tattoos on 50k "motorcycles". It's okay I guess. But it ain't no 1%er.
Wow, you've proven yourself to be Mr. Badass. Why don't you regal us with tales of your hacking adventures?
But for how long? The N900 activley encouraged users to hack around. There was a fucking xterm in the main menu. With Android you have to first research if the handset has an active community that provide modded images if you want all the fun.
I imagine a lot longer then Nokia is going to keep making N900 type of phones.
I am a web developer by day, and am a software developer by night. I make software so that I can sell it. One of my biggest worries is that I will make a really great piece of software, start selling it, then some big company filled with lawyers starts suing me because it run in Windows, and according to some messed up, obscure patent, I can't do that. I understand that they would not touch me right now since, let's face it, none of you have heard of me (as with the rest of the world). I am not banking hardcore. It is possible that one single program I write will though. That is a very high possibility. I try to program safe and not go too insane with the software I make and sell. If I go insane and make something incredible, these sleazy, douchbag lawyers will want a piece of my pie even though they had nothing to do with it, so they sue me. You should not be allowed to simply buy up a patent. You should be required to have a working model of what the patent is for. If you have a software patent for software that does not exist and you have no proof it exists, why are you allowed to own it? You have nothing to do with the software outside of a small piece of paper saying it. You have no programmers on payroll. You have no engineers on payroll. You are not paying or contracting anybody to make these innovations, you simply own them to say you do. I think it should be revamped to make these people show proof of concept at the very minimum in order to own a patent. Unfortunately, for people like me who make just as much selling software on the side as I do at my normal job (and it is not a small amount, it is just not big either), it is only a matter of time before the "I can retire now" software gets sold off, and then I get sued for some software patent from a company that has nothing to do with software outside of having a piece of paper saying they can. Proof of concept, or you lose it.
Okay, not sure exactly whats up with you, but you have some problems.
First you over think stuff too much.
Second, you don't seem to understand the legal system.
Third, I doubt anything you can create is going to cause a problem for you, unless your stealing code.
Fourth, who cares? Seriously, I can get sued for posting this comment, but does it stop me? Hell no.
If you got a good idea that you can program, and you think people will need it/pay for it, go for it dude. Don't give a fuck about what can or can't happen in some probable future.
If you have a great program inside you trying to get out, let it out. If your really worried about some software you have written, seek a lawyers advice.
I don't keep up on 360 hacks but to my knowledge MS didn't have their signing key compromised though.
The only hacks I know of are messing with the DVD drive to play pirated games. Has anyone really gotten homebrew to run on that thing?
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Yes, there is a jtag hack for the xbox 360 requiring an xbox that hasn't been updated since like august 2009 or something.
But there isn't anything like the PS3 hacks, so really Sony has more to lose, but since they were kind enough to include the masters keys in the console (or whatever it was), they really messed up.
Somebody used my wife's credit card number to buy merchandise and ship it to an address on the opposite coast. So she called up the credit card company and asked them what address was used. They refused to give it to her, citing privacy concerns! WTF, the identity thief's right to privacy now trumps the cardholder's right to go there and kick their ass?
You are pretty thick headed aren't you?
You said it yourself. SHE CALLED THE CARD COMPANY UP. So how the fuck are they really going to know it's her? She's talking to them on the telephone. Not much different then what the person did who got access to your wife's card.
What makes the article particularly irritating is that their own definition for 'cybercheat' doesn't match the context in which they're using it:
Cybercheating can be defined as cheating enabled by the internet – so cybercheating can occur in any course.
61.9% (757 students) admitted to engaging in online plagiarism. 59% copied a few sentences, 30% copied a few paragraphs, 12% copies a few pages, 4% copied entire documents, and 3% purchased essays. 22.3% admitted to engaging in such behaviors regularly.
It's plain old plagiarism, hardly 'enabled' by the internet and certainly not worthy of it's own new word.
The actual figures, while not brilliant, are far less worrying than they seem to be trying to lead us to believe, and the word 'cybercheating' is just another one of those ploys to gain extra coverage by still implying that the internet is something new and scary, rather than a day-to-day avenue by which old behaviours, from simple conversation to bullying to cheating are carried out.
Ya, I used to "librarycheat" by purposely picking up old encylopedias and copying the article word for word for reports.
In other words, students are still as lazy today as they were yesterday.
If I was on the board, I would have screamed for Ballmer's dismissal in September 1999, when he drove the MS share price down by 3.8% in a single day by saying "There is such an overvaluation of technology stocks that it is absurd. I would include our stock in that category." Ballmer might be a good business person, but as far as setting the corporate culture, he is an epic fail. The big question is, who should replace him as CEO?
The dude who does the PS3 commericals. I like him. They should put him in charge, at least he's sort of funny.
Back when Bush was president, I used to watch the news because I like seeing what stupid shit he did next. But now? Oh hell no. When a stupid man does stupid shit, it's funny. When a smart man does stupid shit, it's really fucking scarey.
When I was just a wee lad of like, 17 or 18, I got a Nintendo. And sure, I had a bit of a "dealing with anger" issue back then. I'd get pissed at the game, and send the controller flying at the Nintendo.
Well, after a bit, something breaks. So I realized I had a choice. Either get my anger in control and quick breaking/throwing stuff, or spend a lot of money replacing the stuff.
Needless to say, I don't get mad at Electronic items anymore, unless they are not fixable, then I get to break them. =)
Life sucks, shit breaks, getting pissed ain't going to change that.
Are the majority of us genuinely possessed of such remarkable self-control? Or might some of these self-reported stoics be exercising a bit of selective memory?
Just because the submitter has a temper and a foul mouth doesn't mean everyone does...
Problems with out government? Besides peeps can hold positions for a lifetime, is that that too many people have power they shouldn't.
If everyone worked for the governement (say 20 hours a week), and our basics of life (electricty, housing, healthcare, etc) where covered by that, then we'd have less crime because everyone's basics are met.
Also, don't let peeps hold the same positions for life. 1 Senate Term, 1 Congress term, etc.
Give candinates taht are running the same amount of TV time, and the same amount of money to do their campaigns on. No more raising money, no spending more then anyone else. Discuss the issues in public forums.
2 Party system? Has to go. Electorial system? Has to go. Time to get to a government of the people, ran by the people.
I can't figure out why this is news in any way. First off, TFA suggests that they are minors. So just to set the stage, we're essentially talking about a teenage breakup here. Not a great start. Next, we have a girl who decided it would be fun to post images of her boyfriend all over the Internet. Wow, that's a new one! I've never heard of anything like this before! And to top it all off, the double standard here is absurd. As another poster already mentioned, if the shoe was on the other foot, no one would think it's funny or cute in any way. So Slashdot has devolved into a gossip tabloid now? Wonderful.
Now I see why the "News for nerds. Stuff that matters." tag was removed from the top of the site.
Sorry, we'll get back to the tech of the superbowl articles for ya...
Cue the wayback machine to 1984ish. I'm either a 9th or 10th grader (sorry, started taking acid back then, memory's a little hazy on dates), I got into the science fair, because it was a way to get out of class and get my hands on a computer to use. TRS-80 Model III. See, back then, I was awestruck about computers. I did everything possible to get computer time. I took typing and office classes, I skipped class.
anyways, I didn't have a plan, so I took some source code for some figuring out rocket projectory or something, took who ever's name off of it (sorry dude, i was a stupid kid), put mine on it, and went back to playing video games on the computer.
Well, come science fair day, I get asked a bunch of questions about the program. Like what algorith i used, where it was in the source code and a bunch of other questions that I probably didn't fool anyone with made up crap.
Moral of the story? You do crap work, you'll get caught. Next time you steal someone elses work, study it, learn it, make it your own.
Seriously, if you want the content then pay for it
Mod parent up.
It's time to face facts - Torrenting copywritten videos and audio files is eventually going to get you bitten - And you can make all the academic arguements you want about 'data wanting to be free' and blah blah blah but the fact remains that as things sit today the law isn't on your side. Do I rip my DVDs and put them on my iPod? Absolutely. Do I share those rips online? No damn way.
Bullshit.
You want to buy stuff, you do it.
Does that make you better then me? Hell no. It makes a tool for the corps, ya.
How many times did you buy a CD only to find you like 1 song on it and the rest are crap? What about movies? Some are so bad, you should be paid to watch it, yet there you are, paying money to watch it.
See, you keep this cycle of being fed crap. You keep this cycle of DRM going, and you keep this cycle of corps crying over non existance loss in profits going.
... Personally I think it is time to just stop with the torrents. They expose people to too much risk. Even if they aren't exposing you to risk then you are exposing your neighbor by using their wireless. And if you are using TOR you're slowing that down for everyone and stop it.
Seriously, if you want the content then pay for it. if you can't afford it then don't watch/listen. I can almost guarantee that losing the latest stuff that the porn industry has turned out will in no way impair your enjoyment of life. If it isn't available in your country then it isn't. The same caveat applies...not having it probably won't hurt you much....
We can vote with our dollars here. I personally gave up torrents probably two years ago and I really don't miss it. There are a few legal avenues that work and are not too expensive. For the stuff that is too hard to get I ignore it. It will either eventually be legal to buy cheaply or I'll just simply never see it. Can we start to agree to stop playing this sick game with the content creators where they try to make us pay and we try not to?
First off, I'd like to say, fuck you.
It don't matter if I use torrent to get copy right material or not. In fact, even if torrents ceased to exist the Corps would still use piracy as an excuse.
You don't understand. Piracy is just an excuse to Corporation to apply crappy drm and laws to try to maximize their profit. That is all. They are still making money, they are just crying because in stead of getting $3 billion, they are getting $1 or $2 Billion in profit.
I don't buy most stuff. Music, Movies, TV Shows, most games (I do buy some games), I download. Guess what? I wouldn't buy most that shit anyways. Movies? I can go without. TV Shows? I can, well, watch on TV. Games? Most the ones I play, I purchase, ones I don't purchase are usually crappy shit I wouldn't give to me enemies.
And guess what? Most the peeps doing what I do, are just like me. And we aren't effecting the fucking bottom line of this out of control corporation. They are crying wolf, and you are buying it.
So, next time, before you spout "Let's get rid of torrents" learn exactly what you are saying, and maybe figure out if it would be effective.
Here's a little history.
Before Torrents there was:
Copy parties (where you'd meet in person and copy software) BBS (Bulletion Board Systems) People would call up using their modems and download software. Internet Age: FTP, FSP, then IRC, the P2P programs (Naspter, limewire, etc), then fucking finally Torrents.
So get fucking rid of torrents, and something new will pop up.
So, your solution, won't do shit for anyone.
And I do vote with my dollars. I don't spend it on crap, and I know the stuff is crap because I scope it out, for free, before hand. See, the corps can't put out something hoping I will be an unaware consumer and buy it up. I am a smart shopper. I can get stuff for free, so if you want me to fucking pay for it, it needs to be worth it. That is what really scares the corporations, is people like me.
Seriously, what is the significance of finding a 9000 year old grave? We know people existed 9000 years ago. We also know they're all dead. It's not news.
The Xians don't think that. Earth is 6000 years old. remember that.
More importantly, Saudi's official brand of Wahhabism dislikes anything that may be potentially idolatrous and proactively destroys historical monuments. Buildings found via excavation in Mecca have been bulldozed by royal edict.
That's because those old building had something that Saudi's officials fear. Probably birth documents saying Saudi's are all Jewish or something. One of the lost tribes. Come to think of it, they are pretty rich...
>>>The 'old' strategy was aimless development of so many different handsets it was nuts.
Apple circa 1995, when they were on the verge of bankruptcy. Commodore circa 1993 and they did go bankrupt. Too many models can confuse customers - better to focus on just a few.
Commodore didn't have too many models. It went bankrupt because it was too slow to upgrade it's computers. And it, and other companies didn't understand what the computer market was turning into.
Now, the video game crash in 1984 was because of too many models (games) most of which sucked flooding the market.
Do you code? If not then how do you hack anything? You just load ROMs. So you're a modder. Now you may love the lifestyle, but in my not so humble opinion if you don't write code you really can only "hack" mechanical things because you can't alter the software of anything controlled by code. You can get other people to write it for you and run it. But does that really meet the definition? If so then I'm a mechanic. If that's the bar then half the world can be listed as hackers for jail breaking their phone. No sir you are a scenester. Which is okay I guess If you just want to look like you're a bad ass. Like those guys with all the Celtic tattoos on 50k "motorcycles". It's okay I guess. But it ain't no 1%er.
Wow, you've proven yourself to be Mr. Badass. Why don't you regal us with tales of your hacking adventures?
I predownload everything I want to watch.
I don't bother downloading stuff I don't want to watch, unless I'm getting something for someone else.
I don't watch commericals or have stuttering.
I typically get 720p of everything.
anyways, when it said video buffering, i thought we were talking about video buffering.
linux don't get good games.
But for how long? The N900 activley encouraged users to hack around. There was a fucking xterm in the main menu. With Android you have to first research if the handset has an active community that provide modded images if you want all the fun.
I imagine a lot longer then Nokia is going to keep making N900 type of phones.
I am a web developer by day, and am a software developer by night. I make software so that I can sell it. One of my biggest worries is that I will make a really great piece of software, start selling it, then some big company filled with lawyers starts suing me because it run in Windows, and according to some messed up, obscure patent, I can't do that. I understand that they would not touch me right now since, let's face it, none of you have heard of me (as with the rest of the world). I am not banking hardcore. It is possible that one single program I write will though. That is a very high possibility. I try to program safe and not go too insane with the software I make and sell. If I go insane and make something incredible, these sleazy, douchbag lawyers will want a piece of my pie even though they had nothing to do with it, so they sue me. You should not be allowed to simply buy up a patent. You should be required to have a working model of what the patent is for. If you have a software patent for software that does not exist and you have no proof it exists, why are you allowed to own it? You have nothing to do with the software outside of a small piece of paper saying it. You have no programmers on payroll. You have no engineers on payroll. You are not paying or contracting anybody to make these innovations, you simply own them to say you do. I think it should be revamped to make these people show proof of concept at the very minimum in order to own a patent. Unfortunately, for people like me who make just as much selling software on the side as I do at my normal job (and it is not a small amount, it is just not big either), it is only a matter of time before the "I can retire now" software gets sold off, and then I get sued for some software patent from a company that has nothing to do with software outside of having a piece of paper saying they can. Proof of concept, or you lose it.
Okay, not sure exactly whats up with you, but you have some problems.
First you over think stuff too much.
Second, you don't seem to understand the legal system.
Third, I doubt anything you can create is going to cause a problem for you, unless your stealing code.
Fourth, who cares? Seriously, I can get sued for posting this comment, but does it stop me? Hell no.
If you got a good idea that you can program, and you think people will need it/pay for it, go for it dude. Don't give a fuck about what can or can't happen in some probable future.
If you have a great program inside you trying to get out, let it out. If your really worried about some software you have written, seek a lawyers advice.
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Using WP7 is like peeing your pants while Redmond gives you a golden shower.
=)
I don't keep up on 360 hacks but to my knowledge MS didn't have their signing key compromised though.
The only hacks I know of are messing with the DVD drive to play pirated games. Has anyone really gotten homebrew to run on that thing?
Yes, there is a jtag hack for the xbox 360 requiring an xbox that hasn't been updated since like august 2009 or something.
But there isn't anything like the PS3 hacks, so really Sony has more to lose, but since they were kind enough to include the masters keys in the console (or whatever it was), they really messed up.
Somebody used my wife's credit card number to buy merchandise and ship it to an address on the opposite coast. So she called up the credit card company and asked them what address was used. They refused to give it to her, citing privacy concerns! WTF, the identity thief's right to privacy now trumps the cardholder's right to go there and kick their ass?
You are pretty thick headed aren't you?
You said it yourself. SHE CALLED THE CARD COMPANY UP. So how the fuck are they really going to know it's her? She's talking to them on the telephone. Not much different then what the person did who got access to your wife's card.
You so missed the point it's funny.
What makes the article particularly irritating is that their own definition for 'cybercheat' doesn't match the context in which they're using it:
Cybercheating can be defined as cheating enabled by the internet – so cybercheating can occur in any course.
61.9% (757 students) admitted to engaging in online plagiarism. 59% copied a few sentences, 30% copied a few paragraphs, 12% copies a few pages, 4% copied entire documents, and 3% purchased essays. 22.3% admitted to engaging in such behaviors regularly.
It's plain old plagiarism, hardly 'enabled' by the internet and certainly not worthy of it's own new word.
The actual figures, while not brilliant, are far less worrying than they seem to be trying to lead us to believe, and the word 'cybercheating' is just another one of those ploys to gain extra coverage by still implying that the internet is something new and scary, rather than a day-to-day avenue by which old behaviours, from simple conversation to bullying to cheating are carried out.
Ya, I used to "librarycheat" by purposely picking up old encylopedias and copying the article word for word for reports.
In other words, students are still as lazy today as they were yesterday.
Code cowboy?
Seriously?
Did you get on your horse and round up them code?
Seriously dude, you were/are a programmer, your job is boring, quit trying to make it should exciting. It's not.
If I was on the board, I would have screamed for Ballmer's dismissal in September 1999, when he drove the MS share price down by 3.8% in a single day by saying "There is such an overvaluation of technology stocks that it is absurd. I would include our stock in that category." Ballmer might be a good business person, but as far as setting the corporate culture, he is an epic fail. The big question is, who should replace him as CEO?
The dude who does the PS3 commericals. I like him. They should put him in charge, at least he's sort of funny.
Back when Bush was president, I used to watch the news because I like seeing what stupid shit he did next. But now? Oh hell no. When a stupid man does stupid shit, it's funny. When a smart man does stupid shit, it's really fucking scarey.
When I was just a wee lad of like, 17 or 18, I got a Nintendo. And sure, I had a bit of a "dealing with anger" issue back then. I'd get pissed at the game, and send the controller flying at the Nintendo.
Well, after a bit, something breaks. So I realized I had a choice. Either get my anger in control and quick breaking/throwing stuff, or spend a lot of money replacing the stuff.
Needless to say, I don't get mad at Electronic items anymore, unless they are not fixable, then I get to break them. =)
Life sucks, shit breaks, getting pissed ain't going to change that.
Just because the submitter has a temper and a foul mouth doesn't mean everyone does...
Foul Mouth? Get Orbitz!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Has8vDacmo8
Problems with out government? Besides peeps can hold positions for a lifetime, is that that too many people have power they shouldn't.
If everyone worked for the governement (say 20 hours a week), and our basics of life (electricty, housing, healthcare, etc) where covered by that, then we'd have less crime because everyone's basics are met.
Also, don't let peeps hold the same positions for life. 1 Senate Term, 1 Congress term, etc.
Give candinates taht are running the same amount of TV time, and the same amount of money to do their campaigns on. No more raising money, no spending more then anyone else. Discuss the issues in public forums.
2 Party system? Has to go. Electorial system? Has to go. Time to get to a government of the people, ran by the people.
I can't figure out why this is news in any way. First off, TFA suggests that they are minors. So just to set the stage, we're essentially talking about a teenage breakup here. Not a great start. Next, we have a girl who decided it would be fun to post images of her boyfriend all over the Internet. Wow, that's a new one! I've never heard of anything like this before! And to top it all off, the double standard here is absurd. As another poster already mentioned, if the shoe was on the other foot, no one would think it's funny or cute in any way. So Slashdot has devolved into a gossip tabloid now? Wonderful.
Now I see why the "News for nerds. Stuff that matters." tag was removed from the top of the site.
Sorry, we'll get back to the tech of the superbowl articles for ya...
If you discover you're dating a vengeful psycho bitch, don't ever break up with her.
I wasn't aware there was any other types.
Maybe.. she's an entertainer pretending to be a politicans, infact did you know people PAY to hear the dumbest woman on the earth speak?
I pay my dumb women for other things, and no, talking isn't one of them.
Cue the wayback machine to 1984ish. I'm either a 9th or 10th grader (sorry, started taking acid back then, memory's a little hazy on dates), I got into the science fair, because it was a way to get out of class and get my hands on a computer to use. TRS-80 Model III. See, back then, I was awestruck about computers. I did everything possible to get computer time. I took typing and office classes, I skipped class.
anyways, I didn't have a plan, so I took some source code for some figuring out rocket projectory or something, took who ever's name off of it (sorry dude, i was a stupid kid), put mine on it, and went back to playing video games on the computer.
Well, come science fair day, I get asked a bunch of questions about the program. Like what algorith i used, where it was in the source code and a bunch of other questions that I probably didn't fool anyone with made up crap.
Moral of the story? You do crap work, you'll get caught. Next time you steal someone elses work, study it, learn it, make it your own.
Seriously, if you want the content then pay for it
Mod parent up.
It's time to face facts - Torrenting copywritten videos and audio files is eventually going to get you bitten - And you can make all the academic arguements you want about 'data wanting to be free' and blah blah blah but the fact remains that as things sit today the law isn't on your side. Do I rip my DVDs and put them on my iPod? Absolutely. Do I share those rips online? No damn way.
Bullshit.
You want to buy stuff, you do it.
Does that make you better then me? Hell no. It makes a tool for the corps, ya.
How many times did you buy a CD only to find you like 1 song on it and the rest are crap?
What about movies? Some are so bad, you should be paid to watch it, yet there you are, paying money to watch it.
See, you keep this cycle of being fed crap. You keep this cycle of DRM going, and you keep this cycle of corps crying over non existance loss in profits going.
You sir, are the problem, not the solution.
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Personally I think it is time to just stop with the torrents. They expose people to too much risk. Even if they aren't exposing you to risk then you are exposing your neighbor by using their wireless. And if you are using TOR you're slowing that down for everyone and stop it.
Seriously, if you want the content then pay for it. if you can't afford it then don't watch/listen. I can almost guarantee that losing the latest stuff that the porn industry has turned out will in no way impair your enjoyment of life. If it isn't available in your country then it isn't. The same caveat applies...not having it probably won't hurt you much. ...
We can vote with our dollars here. I personally gave up torrents probably two years ago and I really don't miss it. There are a few legal avenues that work and are not too expensive. For the stuff that is too hard to get I ignore it. It will either eventually be legal to buy cheaply or I'll just simply never see it. Can we start to agree to stop playing this sick game with the content creators where they try to make us pay and we try not to?
First off, I'd like to say, fuck you.
It don't matter if I use torrent to get copy right material or not. In fact, even if torrents ceased to exist the Corps would still use piracy as an excuse.
You don't understand. Piracy is just an excuse to Corporation to apply crappy drm and laws to try to maximize their profit. That is all. They are still making money, they are just crying because in stead of getting $3 billion, they are getting $1 or $2 Billion in profit.
I don't buy most stuff. Music, Movies, TV Shows, most games (I do buy some games), I download. Guess what? I wouldn't buy most that shit anyways. Movies? I can go without. TV Shows? I can, well, watch on TV. Games? Most the ones I play, I purchase, ones I don't purchase are usually crappy shit I wouldn't give to me enemies.
And guess what? Most the peeps doing what I do, are just like me. And we aren't effecting the fucking bottom line of this out of control corporation. They are crying wolf, and you are buying it.
So, next time, before you spout "Let's get rid of torrents" learn exactly what you are saying, and maybe figure out if it would be effective.
Here's a little history.
Before Torrents there was:
Copy parties (where you'd meet in person and copy software)
BBS (Bulletion Board Systems) People would call up using their modems and download software.
Internet Age: FTP, FSP, then IRC, the P2P programs (Naspter, limewire, etc), then fucking finally Torrents.
So get fucking rid of torrents, and something new will pop up.
So, your solution, won't do shit for anyone.
And I do vote with my dollars. I don't spend it on crap, and I know the stuff is crap because I scope it out, for free, before hand. See, the corps can't put out something hoping I will be an unaware consumer and buy it up. I am a smart shopper. I can get stuff for free, so if you want me to fucking pay for it, it needs to be worth it. That is what really scares the corporations, is people like me.
I have my cat's pick on my facebook pic, now i'm going to get a ton of furry peeps wanting dates.
Guess I better get Second Life up and running.
Seriously, what is the significance of finding a 9000 year old grave? We know people existed 9000 years ago. We also know they're all dead. It's not news.
The Xians don't think that. Earth is 6000 years old. remember that.
More importantly, Saudi's official brand of Wahhabism dislikes anything that may be potentially idolatrous and proactively destroys historical monuments. Buildings found via excavation in Mecca have been bulldozed by royal edict.
That's because those old building had something that Saudi's officials fear. Probably birth documents saying Saudi's are all Jewish or something. One of the lost tribes. Come to think of it, they are pretty rich...