The cops will find another reason to raid the NGO's and put them in jail for something else.
MS isn't doing anything but trying to make them sound like they are nice.
Look, if the police/government is corrupt, which is appears to be, they will find another reason. Sure, the software is easy to do, but they'll figure out something else, they always do.
The problem is the government is corrupt there. Giving away software won't change that.
Sixty thousand people have bought the game since May 2009, not in the last two weeks.
I bought the game a couple of months ago and every other game in my collection had been neglected.
The basic gist of it is that the entire world is generated from cubes on the fly. You explore, chop down trees, make tools, mine for minerals and stone, build houses/castles/towers/ridiculous pixel art sculptures and watch out for monsters which inhabit the world at night and dark corners of your mines and naturally-occuring caves. The world is generated on the fly as you explore, with mountains, rivers, forests, caves and the occasional treasure room. Multiplayer is in the early stages right now, but fun. Single player is an amazing time waster, it's so easy to get completely sucked into a world made up of giant pixels.
It's one of the best indie games I've ever tried and it's made by just one guy.
sounds interesting, but no demo. And I do NOT pay sight unseen for any games.
When it comes to smaller amounts(under 5k), it's a toss up on using Google Checkout or Paypal. But anything over that, and you're just asking for trouble. These guys were way past to point of needing a real credit card processor. With that kind of money, it makes a lot more sense to just get a merchant account. Look at Paypal like a piggy bank. It's fine for loose change, but you wouldn't stick your retirement money in there.
I wouldn't put my retirement money on the stock market either, but people do (did?)
Straw man. I never said it was because he was successful, but picture this: a small indie game making a few hundred bucks a week suddenly gets a 600,000 euro deposit. What does that look like to you? Paypal has a legal duty to prevent money laundering.
Mostly because of either no choice or few alternatives.
For payment-only, you often have no choice, because it's what eBay and/or a particular merchant accepts. On the other hand, for payment-only it's also relatively unproblematic, because you shouldn't have large amounts of money sitting in the account that PayPal could freeze.
For accepting money, you're much more exposed to PayPal's whims, and you also have a choice of what payment processor you use. However, you don't often have many good choices. Two of its competitors are Google Checkout and Amazon's payment service, but they're much less international. PayPal supports dozens of currencies and merchants in >100 countries, while Google Checkout is limited to only merchants in the U.S. and U.K., and Amazon's payments services only allow withdrawal of funds to U.S. bank accounts (and only do transactions in U.S. dollars). Since the Minecraft developer is Swedish, neither of those are options.
Another alternative is to set up a merchant account for processing credit-card payments yourself, but you need to be a certain size for that to be a sensible option. The Minecraft guy probably is big enough now that a merchant account makes sense, but he wasn't when he started out as a random 1-man shop selling a $10 game on the internet.
Basically there is a big gap in the market for lightweight payment-acceptance services available to non-American merchants. If you're in Sweden, you have PayPal, a merchant account, accepting bank transfers directly, and mailed payments.
Or use 2 bank accounts and never keep extra money in the 1 bank account you use for paypal?
When you get money into, you move it into the other account. When you need to pay something, you move money into the paypal account.
What happens if paypal decides to shut your account down? It doesn't get your money.
Really, I mean, wtf?
Sure, it might be more work, but then, shit like this won't happen.
Of course if they put a hold on your account and funds still go into it (which makes me wonder, how is that a hold on your account? you can't do much about that, but then, on hindsight, that seems weird, if not illegal.
But the part that gets me is the "if we detect funny business, we'll keep the money" If they are letting money go into the account, and not letting money out, then this here seems suspious enough to be investigated.
Are these the people who Google for "facebook login" and then proceed to assume that whatever they find is Facebook? The comments here are pure gold.
people do with everything. You won't know how many people i've helped over the phone, tell them to type in a certain address, and find out they used the search engine to type it in instead of the address. And then not know where the address bar is, even though they've been using the computer & internet for 5 years.
People are fucking stupid, don't try to use decent judgement, and sure as fuck don't bother to explore their computer to see how shit works.
I wish this wasn't modded flamebait. You folks should realize that revolution doesn't necessarily mean flag burning and civil war. It does mean that you have to gather enough popular support to oust the current government though.
Revolution CAN be peaceful. It will always cause upheaval, but if the system is broken enough, it needs to be thrown out and rebuilt.
Not that I'm saying its necessarily time for Americans to do so, or that this is the sort of issue that should cause a revolution, but there are more than just this fellow that seem to feel that one is necessary, on both sides of the political spectrum.
but get ready because that time is coming on us fast.
Seriously, they bitch about piracy then try to get laws passed that is only going to make people accept piracy over the lame ass rules you get when you pay.
I'm not a big history buff, but I enjoy history. Why? Probably because sometime I heard those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
But also because I realized that humans are stupid, greedy, and only care about themselves.
Which is why we don't ever change.
Sure there is expections, as there always is, but unless we either figure a way to keep our basic natures in check, we will never succeed.
You know, as much as I hate to agree with FLOSSies on...well pretty much anything, I have to say RMS is looking spot on with his right to read story. The most basic fundamental rights we have enjoyed for centuries are being taken away by a bunch of weasel lawyers and corrupt officials. Sadly there ain't a damned thing we can do about it either, unless someone here has a couple of billion lying around to buy some politicians with?
Really? Doing marches, protesting and that stuff won't work?
You do realize the one thing the government is afraid of is it's people taking to the streets to voice their unapproval?
.... Reductum ad absurdum is not simply a logical argument...
No, it's not. because it's a fucking latin term that most people are going to have to look up to understand what it means.
And when it looked it, it says: Reductio ad absurdum is the actual term.
So either your totally into Rectums and had to use that word, or it's some stupid verison of the same word in a language that is DEAD.
Seriously, drop the latin. The language is dead and it makes you look like a snob for using it, and then on top of that, it's not even sure you used it right.
I disagree. My PS2, Xbox and Wii are all modded. How many pirated games do I own for these platforms? None.
Ya, well, my PS2, Xbox 360 (jtag), Wii, Gamecube, GBA, PSP are all modded and how many pirated games do I own for these platforms? None. Since apparently I can't "own" this software according to it's publishers. =)
I have a shit load of pirated games and crap for those systems. Oh ya. I won't deny it.
But here's the kicker, I would of NEVER bought any of those games new. NEVER.
Games I do like, and play, i buy.
I try out new crap all the time. Always have, ever since I discovered pirated BBS back on the C64. But god, do I play all those games? No. Besides I don't have time, it seems a lot of companies like to put out crappy games. Or crappy ports.
I got all my consoles for hacking. Now that the PS3 can be hacked, I'm considering getting one.
But my point is, while some of the people who buy games new might stop buying new games because of this hack, I doubt it's going to have any significant impact on the sales of games. Xbox 360's have been DVD Firmware hacked to play backups, Wii can be soft modded to play backups, and they both have good sales of systems, games and online content.
If it's true that PS3 don't cost sony any money to make anymore, they'd be getting some sales from a new customer because of this hack. System, extra controllers, etc.
without it, or anything like it, i will never spend the money.
God, I didn't think of it before, but i'm horrible.
Much like homeless people asking for change, I'll ignore emails. Hot Chicks? Can't touch them in person or online. Both people and computers make me mad sometimes, enough that I want to hit them, but i don't. Human & computer error messages are hard to understand most the time.
um, i'd write more, but my computer is looking at me funny.
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The cops will find another reason to raid the NGO's and put them in jail for something else.
MS isn't doing anything but trying to make them sound like they are nice.
Look, if the police/government is corrupt, which is appears to be, they will find another reason. Sure, the software is easy to do, but they'll figure out something else, they always do.
The problem is the government is corrupt there. Giving away software won't change that.
How is it our fault that some people choose to live in small fucking towns with nothing in them?
We don't care. Move away if it's so bad.
Seriously, you don't like your choices, move to somewhere where you get the choices you want.
You didn't like the prices of ma & pa's stores? Open your own.
your problem is your a sheep. you baa, baa, baa, but don't actually get off your ass to fix your situation.
BAA BAA BAA
It's simple. Declassify everything.
Nothing secret, nothings top secret, nothing is hidden from the public.
Just how the government should be, and needs to be.
It's pretty simple.
Consider everything that your company has you use, to be monitored.
Your computer, your phone, your cubicle/office.
Software they say you have to use.
Sure, that's maybe a bit paranoid, but if you assume it, your less likely to do stupid crap on their equipment that can be trouble for you later.
When I got fired and the employer withheld my wages, I took it to labor & Industries and filed a complaint.
They are who you talk to.
They are setup for this sort of stuff.
Providing what the employers did was illegal. If it's not, then you might need a lawyer.
You're not a King fan until you've read The Dark Tower series. It's his masterpiece.
That god. I stopped being a King fan a few decades ago.
Think it was around the book "It". It was just, so crappy, i could never go back.
Like a lot of writers, he lost the drive & hunger he had back when he wasn't as famous.
Okay, so we are using the internet for long distance surgery and what the fuck else.
the USA has a big red button that says, "Press to shut down Internet in case of emergency".
Can we see a problem here?
Were it not for her putting PayPal as the main eBay payment processor, this shit would have never happened as PayPal would be DEAD.
Those of you living in California, DO NOT VOTE MEG WHITMAN IF YOU HAVE HALF A BRAIN.
Too late. people that live in California are shown to not have any brains.
How many slashdot accounts do you have?
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what's google?
So do I google "youtube" or do I youtube "google"?
I'm confused.
Sixty thousand people have bought the game since May 2009, not in the last two weeks.
I bought the game a couple of months ago and every other game in my collection had been neglected.
The basic gist of it is that the entire world is generated from cubes on the fly. You explore, chop down trees, make tools, mine for minerals and stone, build houses/castles/towers/ridiculous pixel art sculptures and watch out for monsters which inhabit the world at night and dark corners of your mines and naturally-occuring caves. The world is generated on the fly as you explore, with mountains, rivers, forests, caves and the occasional treasure room. Multiplayer is in the early stages right now, but fun. Single player is an amazing time waster, it's so easy to get completely sucked into a world made up of giant pixels.
It's one of the best indie games I've ever tried and it's made by just one guy.
sounds interesting, but no demo. And I do NOT pay sight unseen for any games.
Off to: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5793219/Minecraft_Alpha_1.0.17_04___Server_0.1.4 to download a working copy so i can check it out.
Am I being an asshole? Sure. But honestly, dev's who can't put demos out should expect this from internet savvy peeps.
If dude wants me to pay any money before i check out his game, he's better be on his knee's in front of me, with his mouth full.
Of course, unless he's into that, he could just make a fucking demo.
When it comes to smaller amounts(under 5k), it's a toss up on using Google Checkout or Paypal. But anything over that, and you're just asking for trouble. These guys were way past to point of needing a real credit card processor. With that kind of money, it makes a lot more sense to just get a merchant account. Look at Paypal like a piggy bank. It's fine for loose change, but you wouldn't stick your retirement money in there.
I wouldn't put my retirement money on the stock market either, but people do (did?)
....how the hell the guy made €600,000 from Minecraft?
The same reason that people spends hours playing farmville or mafiawars.
Straw man. I never said it was because he was successful, but picture this: a small indie game making a few hundred bucks a week suddenly gets a 600,000 euro deposit. What does that look like to you? Paypal has a legal duty to prevent money laundering.
Looks to me like a business start up. Seeing as before paypal withheld their money and they made that announcement.
http://notch.tumblr.com/post/1075326804/hiring-some-people-getting-an-office-and-all-that
Which is on the article, that I guess you didn't read.
Dang, don't recall your posts from before today, but your seriously a negative person.
Mostly because of either no choice or few alternatives.
For payment-only, you often have no choice, because it's what eBay and/or a particular merchant accepts. On the other hand, for payment-only it's also relatively unproblematic, because you shouldn't have large amounts of money sitting in the account that PayPal could freeze.
For accepting money, you're much more exposed to PayPal's whims, and you also have a choice of what payment processor you use. However, you don't often have many good choices. Two of its competitors are Google Checkout and Amazon's payment service, but they're much less international. PayPal supports dozens of currencies and merchants in >100 countries, while Google Checkout is limited to only merchants in the U.S. and U.K., and Amazon's payments services only allow withdrawal of funds to U.S. bank accounts (and only do transactions in U.S. dollars). Since the Minecraft developer is Swedish, neither of those are options.
Another alternative is to set up a merchant account for processing credit-card payments yourself, but you need to be a certain size for that to be a sensible option. The Minecraft guy probably is big enough now that a merchant account makes sense, but he wasn't when he started out as a random 1-man shop selling a $10 game on the internet.
Basically there is a big gap in the market for lightweight payment-acceptance services available to non-American merchants. If you're in Sweden, you have PayPal, a merchant account, accepting bank transfers directly, and mailed payments.
Or use 2 bank accounts and never keep extra money in the 1 bank account you use for paypal?
Get 2 Bank accounts.
1 is your paypal account.
When you get money into, you move it into the other account.
When you need to pay something, you move money into the paypal account.
What happens if paypal decides to shut your account down? It doesn't get your money.
Really, I mean, wtf?
Sure, it might be more work, but then, shit like this won't happen.
Of course if they put a hold on your account and funds still go into it (which makes me wonder, how is that a hold on your account? you can't do much about that, but then, on hindsight, that seems weird, if not illegal.
But the part that gets me is the "if we detect funny business, we'll keep the money" If they are letting money go into the account, and not letting money out, then this here seems suspious enough to be investigated.
That's she's detectable on exoplanets.
Still didn't stop ya for doing her.
Are these the people who Google for "facebook login" and then proceed to assume that whatever they find is Facebook? The comments here are pure gold.
people do with everything. You won't know how many people i've helped over the phone, tell them to type in a certain address, and find out they used the search engine to type it in instead of the address. And then not know where the address bar is, even though they've been using the computer & internet for 5 years.
People are fucking stupid, don't try to use decent judgement, and sure as fuck don't bother to explore their computer to see how shit works.
I wish this wasn't modded flamebait. You folks should realize that revolution doesn't necessarily mean flag burning and civil war. It does mean that you have to gather enough popular support to oust the current government though.
Revolution CAN be peaceful. It will always cause upheaval, but if the system is broken enough, it needs to be thrown out and rebuilt.
Not that I'm saying its necessarily time for Americans to do so, or that this is the sort of issue that should cause a revolution, but there are more than just this fellow that seem to feel that one is necessary, on both sides of the political spectrum.
but get ready because that time is coming on us fast.
Seriously, they bitch about piracy then try to get laws passed that is only going to make people accept piracy over the lame ass rules you get when you pay.
I'm not a big history buff, but I enjoy history. Why? Probably because sometime I heard those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
But also because I realized that humans are stupid, greedy, and only care about themselves.
Which is why we don't ever change.
Sure there is expections, as there always is, but unless we either figure a way to keep our basic natures in check, we will never succeed.
You know, as much as I hate to agree with FLOSSies on...well pretty much anything, I have to say RMS is looking spot on with his right to read story. The most basic fundamental rights we have enjoyed for centuries are being taken away by a bunch of weasel lawyers and corrupt officials. Sadly there ain't a damned thing we can do about it either, unless someone here has a couple of billion lying around to buy some politicians with?
Really? Doing marches, protesting and that stuff won't work?
You do realize the one thing the government is afraid of is it's people taking to the streets to voice their unapproval?
.... Reductum ad absurdum is not simply a logical argument ...
No, it's not. because it's a fucking latin term that most people are going to have to look up to understand what it means.
And when it looked it, it says: Reductio ad absurdum is the actual term.
So either your totally into Rectums and had to use that word, or it's some stupid verison of the same word in a language that is DEAD.
Seriously, drop the latin. The language is dead and it makes you look like a snob for using it, and then on top of that, it's not even sure you used it right.
I disagree. My PS2, Xbox and Wii are all modded. How many pirated games do I own for these platforms? None.
Ya, well, my PS2, Xbox 360 (jtag), Wii, Gamecube, GBA, PSP are all modded and how many pirated games do I own for these platforms? None. Since apparently I can't "own" this software according to it's publishers. =)
I have a shit load of pirated games and crap for those systems. Oh ya. I won't deny it.
But here's the kicker, I would of NEVER bought any of those games new. NEVER.
Games I do like, and play, i buy.
I try out new crap all the time. Always have, ever since I discovered pirated BBS back on the C64. But god, do I play all those games? No. Besides I don't have time, it seems a lot of companies like to put out crappy games. Or crappy ports.
I got all my consoles for hacking. Now that the PS3 can be hacked, I'm considering getting one.
But my point is, while some of the people who buy games new might stop buying new games because of this hack, I doubt it's going to have any significant impact on the sales of games. Xbox 360's have been DVD Firmware hacked to play backups, Wii can be soft modded to play backups, and they both have good sales of systems, games and online content.
If it's true that PS3 don't cost sony any money to make anymore, they'd be getting some sales from a new customer because of this hack. System, extra controllers, etc.
without it, or anything like it, i will never spend the money.
God, I didn't think of it before, but i'm horrible.
Much like homeless people asking for change, I'll ignore emails.
Hot Chicks? Can't touch them in person or online.
Both people and computers make me mad sometimes, enough that I want to hit them, but i don't.
Human & computer error messages are hard to understand most the time.
um, i'd write more, but my computer is looking at me funny.
Nah, you're getting it wrong. Obviously, military spending destroyed ancient Greece ;)
Yes, they spent all the money on oil.