-sulphur is used in a millitary version of thermite called thermate. Im trying to find an independant explanation from why,though it seems it is to lower the melting point of the steel being cut, ie forming a eutectic, making it cut better
- potassium permangenate is used as an oxidising agent in some thermate/ite as well (perhaps mixed with something else to help ignite it?), hence K and Mn
- flourine may be present in the from of polytetraflouroethylene (teflon?) as a base for another oxidising agent according to this report http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/1344-QDsu 9M/webviewable/1344.pdf p120. According to it (a report on techniques for decommisioning nuclear reactors, which investigated thermite with additives):
"These characteristics show that the composition of the mixtures using polytetraflouroethylene as a base has a heat output 2.5 to 5.0 times higher than that of a mixture based on thermite."
- 1,3-diphenyl propane was recorded in "abundance" by the EPA not prof jones. They suggested the possible source as burning polyvynyl choloride compounds, although they admitted they had never before picked it up in ambient sampling such as this(which would suggest that there was at least SOMETHING decidedly strange about the fires in the towers, given the ubiquitous nature of PVC in modern buildings. )
As to the claims of partially evaporated steel, it is not him claiming this it is one Dr. Barnett in the NEW YORK TIMES! he was part of the initial (official) fema investigation, which reported on this anomoly, and recomended investigation into how it could occur, yet none was ever done (officially at least, I guess Prof jones took it up unofficially instead)
it is good to see someone who's objections are based on (what would be to you) logical reasoning (and, it seems, decent scientific knowledge), even if you dont have (m)any of the facts available, rather than the plain denial I see in most people. Should you wish to discuss it further with me, I'd be happy to talk to you on (oh no, eeeevill) msn messenger: hmmmmm_really At hotmail. Ive been looking into it for a while so I can steer you past the disinfo and crazy people and to the meat of the problem (and trust me, its as meaty as a triple bacon meat lovers pizza hold the cheese, base and sauce)
(oh buy the way, I know you havent read his paper on the collapses, or at least his subsequent presentation in which he shows the results of the analysis showing these elements, since you would have read his explanations for why they are there. It would seem a bit... perhaps hypocritical... to pick on the agenda of someone else, while "debunking" their work without actually reading it, wouldnt you say? (nor even reading the initial FEMA investigation it is partly based on it seems))
for anyone interested, all this is outlined in the pdf I linked earlier, But I'll link it again:
thanks for the insight. Im an app sci instrumentation student(was anyway). I know that. So take your smarmy better than thou attitude and stick it up your ignorant arse.
for the rest of you, the results show that the molten metal tested was NOT molten steel and aluminium from the planes/structure as suggested by an earlier post, since there are none of the other elements except Fe that should be there if it was from structural steel(eg chromium), and the aluminium is in low concentration, however it DOES have the characteristic sulphur, manganese, potassium, flourine (all "fingerprints" of thermate usage), and even more interestingly, 1,3-diphenlypropane, for which the only present explanation is that it's residue from the use of a sol-gel used with explosive nano-thermite charges..
It is all explained quite nicely in here, the electrone microprobe RESULTS (yes you can look at them yourself, "not CSI" indeed, dickhead.) are shown around page 77 on.
you cannot stop terrorism by blowing up countries and killing peoples families. you can only create more terrorists. watch a movie called "peace propaganda and the promised lands" and realise WHY they are being "terrorists" in the first place, then stop doing that to them. (hey and you might like to watch a short clip on you tube, look up gallaway sky news, its funny, he hands the "reporter" her ass big time)
did you know there was white hot molten metal in the rubble of 9/11? no im not exagerating. And electron microprobe results for it show all the markers of thermate? even the gel used to make explosive nanothermate for blasting?
have a look here, and also read the pdf linked near the top, you'll see the proof of what I am talking about
dont really know much about the mossad do ya...
(dont worry, I know youll just deny it and act like they are good little boys and girls. believe all the shit you want)
jesus christ people, occams razor is not your personal magic 8 ball, there is a LOGIC behind it, you cant just say "oh occams razor proves that wrong" because you want it to.
in this case OCCAMS RAZOR WOULD AGREE WITH THE BLOG: whats simpler:
- huge masterful (working/finished) plan to blow up 3000 people in airplanes that have security tighter than a beep beep beep after all the shit we've been fed, involving many people and equipment and tech (liquid explosives etc) not really seen before (if it was used in 7/7, WHY WHERE THEY RUNNING WITH THIS EASY TO SET OFF EXPLOSIVE????)
- government finds a bunch of idiots with delusions of importance and grandeur playing spy games, blows it all out of proportion for CLEAR political purposes.
oh Im sorry, was that the sound of occams razor cutting through your horseshit?
you have to watch that colgate triple stripe whitening toothpaste, someone could whiten their teeth so much, they could blind everyone that looks at them with the glare, and burn a hole through the cockpit door.... or, you know, bursh their teeth loudly or something...
anyway, re 7/7, watch "terrorstorm" on google video, you'll see that there was a "training" exercise being run on 7/7, involving muslim terrorists bombing 3 stations and a bus, at the exact time of the bombing (+- 30 mins) in the exact stations targetted by the bombing, and then all of a sudden it went live......
now think about this: the bomber on the bus was thought to perhaps not know it was a suicide mission: when he heard about the other "suicide" bombings witnesses said he panicked and tried to take his backpack off, which was when it exploded. Now imagine you where hired to be an actor in a terrorist drill, playing the part of a suicide bomber. You and 3 mates take the fake backback bombs and go buy return tickets, running and jumping with supposedly sensitive explosives on your backs. you split up as per the plan, your sitting on a bus, and all of a sudden you hear that bombs have gone off at the 3 places your mates where going too.....
(theres a lot more to it than that, watch terrorstorm)
yes but now imagine that the nest is the size of the middle east, they have nests all round the world, and they can talk to each other....
(no disrespect to muslims intended)
HAHAHAHA:( the post saying dont bother trying to figure out WHY the crazy person is forced (yes thats the right word) to kill himself, just close your eyes, hold your stinky breath and go back to sleep gets an insightfull, while the one pointing this out gets no mods...
ask yourself WHY. WHY would someone go to the trouble of strapping explosives to themselves and blowing themselves up. Dont fall for the "religious nut" copout. Thats just a side motivation. look up how these people got to be in this position. then stop putting them in that position.
watch "peace propaganda and the promised lands" on google video as a good starting place
I agree with you, but you forgot one extra thing: while they where taking your toothpaste away in hazmat suits, and thereby scaring the crap out of and pissing of people for no good reason at all, they where also killing the sons and daughters, brothers, sisters, parents friends and relatives of a couple of million new terrorists, all around the world, so the actual danger just tripled...
How about instead of taking our liberties to "protect ourselves" (from ourselves..) we stop pissing off the rest of the damn world. I mean, I got bit by a bullant when I was little. You know what I did after that? I STOPPED POKING THEM WITH STICKS WHILE STANDING ON THEIR NESTS....
forgot to say one other thing: normally when you get attacked by bullants out in a forest, you stop poking their nests with sticks. well anybody who actually researches the true history of israel/palestine/etc etc will see that the US/UK/Israel has a policy of poking bullants with sticks, untill they bite someone, then punishing both the bullants and the bitten people. watch "peace propaganda and the promised lands" on google video for an example
its called gradually getting the population used to living in a police state (which we pretty much are)
Think of it like this: if you just shake up and open a bottle of coke, itll spray everywhere. If you let it sit long enough for the co2 to dissolve, and open it slowly, there is no sudden shock to release the dissolved gas. Same thing with heating water in the microwave in a perfectly smooth container: you can get it hotter than 100 degrees without boiling, because there is no particular spot for the bubbles (of steam) to form.
Well people/populations are like that. First they take your guns (seems logical enough, especially on a plane, even Im not gonna argue with that) then they take your pocket knives (ok..) then they take your nail clippers and plastic cutlery.. (wha?) then they take your toothpaste (huh? what the fuck?). at every stage the pre-flight search and the screening process gets more invasive, the ID you need (papers please) get more invasive, the database kept of your personal info gets bigger, but no one step is enough to "fizz" the population into a full scale revolt (see armed guards doing body searches at footy games, people arrested and locked up for days for peacefull protests, torture sanctioned by the president, unauthorised wiretapping sanctioned by the president. etc etc
Ask yourself this. If 10 years ago, all in one day, the government was to say: no pocket knives, plastic cutlery, nail clippers, metal thingies, pointy thingies, laptops, phones (assuming you had these two items) gameboys, walkmans, toothpaste, breast milk, bottles of water, mouthwash, god knows what, on planes. Body searches at sports games, they where going to torture people openly and no-one could do a thing about it. They would wiretap whoever they want and no one could do a thing about it, they where going to invade whoever they want and no one could do a thing about it, they would arrest anyone they want as a "terrorist" and hold them without charges indeffinately (while probably torturing them for info or fun) and no one could do a thing about it etc etc WOULDNT YOU BE PISSED OFF????WOuld you rise up and protect yourself, family, friends and children from a police state/fascism?
fucken sheeple. Wake up, or it'll be too late. Anyone alarmed by the above post (ie not a sheeple) start by watching "painful deceptions" on google video, then "the money masters" "truth and lies of 9/11", "martial law 9/11" "terrorstorm" etc etc, or, if you want a more scientific/research based intro, go to here , here , here and here
(by the way, why this fake terror and restrictions on flying? SO THAT ONLY THE POWERFULL CAN EASILY FLY of course. Those with private jets and helicopters, limo's waiting and entire wardrobes waiting, wont be worried about this crap. Your average family that has to put up with smelly grumpy kids with no toys to keep them occupied for a 10 hour flight, and the distinct likely hood of being stranded in their destination with NO luggage or possessions beyond what they have on their person will be...)
shouldnt they go public before they stop making episodes? I mean, shouldnt stargate land earthlings know there is a stargate? other wise, humanity has got nowhere, I mean, even the crappy little backwater planets with a few man-apes on them know what the chapa-ai(sp?) is, but not the majority of the tari (sp2?).....
you forgot
3. which is why this law was REALLY drafted... to abuse for the purpose of blocking blogs writing nasty things abbout the nice people in the gubmint.. you just watch, next they'll try to make some stupid law like you have to sign your real name in social networking sites, or get permission on your home computer or some other shit, of course, it's all to save the children...(whats worse, the physical abuse from a pedo, or the huge dick the government is sticking up all our non-corporate arses.)
It wont, if people continue to have faith in the us economy. If, for some reason, this faith starts to waver, for instance, due to a lack of demand for USD since they are no longer needed to buy oil, combined with a retarded administration and massive unpaid debts...
At least thats my understanding of it
(also, when in the last fifty years has the debt been anywhere even close to the current level?)
Now you can claim payback time is still 20 years or whatever, but you are forgetting, they are (in my magical la la land world) being payed for with reclaimed millitary invasion money, redirected from securing the oil fields to securing wind power, leaving money normally spent on actual oil/coal/gas purchases to other uses (whatever they might be)(not to mention saving plenty of peoples lives in the process). Even better would be if this was partially in the form of large rebates for homes to solar/wind power where possible, to enable distributed power generation, reducing blackouts etc.
Not sure of the cost of electricity where you are. It costs around 15c per kWh here in aust though. Assuming (and this could be wrong) that that IS average power, it would take $1000/15c= around 7000 hours, or 291 days to pay itself off. (lets be generous and round up by a factor of about 2 and make it 2 years)
As for Solar cells, they are a couple of times more expensice than that, so we are looking at maybe a 10 year payoff time, however solar cells last a lot longer than 10 years. (just looking at SES stirling en gine solar collector, aiming for $1 per watt (again their figures, Im assuming average power but not sure) by next year.)
As to my understanding of currency, it is, I'll admit, limited. I would like to hear how you justify calling the USD "universal irregardless of oil" though. Considering the massive US debt, offshoring of many jobs, deskilling etc etc, how else is faith in the US economy being maintained besides OIL and millitary? because without faith in the US, they're just slips of printed T.P.
yeah I guess those cars must have really sucked ass.
I mean, drivers would only ever have a vigil and risk getting arrested for a sucky car....(ever heard of a vigil for any petrol powered car? me neither)
I guess they sucked so much, perhaps the former drivers wanted to pay the nearly 2 million offered to stop GM crushing them just so they could smash them themselves? Sure wish I had that much money to throw away on sucky cars...
In other words, do a little research yourself and realise something very important.
One Hint: You're a moron. (not everyone needs to drive further than 122 miles per day. In fact, not many (as a percentage) really do)
How the hell can you say solar and wind dont provide enough power?
Solar panels on house roofs would provide far more power than needed by the house (200m^2*200watts perM^2 at full power * 0.2 % average solar power (including day/night/cloudy etc) = 8 Kw....) , even at todays shitty efficiency rates, and I have no idea why you would say theres not enough energy in wind.
As to cost, solar is a tad expensive at the moment, though sliver cells might help with this, but wind is less than $1 per watt.... How much is the US spending on iraq/afghanistan/iran next/other stupid wars for control of oil (among other things): oh yeah trillions. enough to completely power america with wind. wierd, wonder why they dont do that? (look up oil backed currency/federal reserve)
then there's cars. heres 3 options: electric (see "who killed the electric car") which IS very viable, no matter what youve been told to believe, Hydrogen, preferably with people creating most of their hydrogen needs at home from their own solar powered electrolysis machine, and finally, for those that still want to run on oil/diesel type fuels, thermal-depolymerisation (see changing world tech, oil from waste (turkey offal) at high efficiency)
in case you missed it, wind power is LESS THAN $1 per watt. average power usage of americans (including home/transport and I think industry) is about 6-7 KW. Stick a once off extra 6G's on top of new car/house purchases and its done, energy is paid for for life (except the small maintainence costs), or stop invading the middle east and use the saved money for renewables.
Only one problem. Oil backed currency. If Oil demand drops, demand for the US dollar drops, since opec nations only generally sell oil in USD, and the USD is no longer gold backed, meaning one of the few reasons it has any real value to other nations is to buy oil with.
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-sulphur is used in a millitary version of thermite called thermate. Im trying to find an independant explanation from why,though it seems it is to lower the melting point of the steel being cut, ie forming a eutectic, making it cut better
- potassium permangenate is used as an oxidising agent in some thermate/ite as well (perhaps mixed with something else to help ignite it?), hence K and Mn
- flourine may be present in the from of polytetraflouroethylene (teflon?) as a base for another oxidising agent according to this report http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/1344-QDsu 9M/webviewable/1344.pdf p120. According to it (a report on techniques for decommisioning nuclear reactors, which investigated thermite with additives):
"These characteristics show that the composition of the mixtures using polytetraflouroethylene as a base has a heat output 2.5 to 5.0 times higher than that of a mixture based on thermite."
- 1,3-diphenyl propane was recorded in "abundance" by the EPA not prof jones. They suggested the possible source as burning polyvynyl choloride compounds, although they admitted they had never before picked it up in ambient sampling such as this(which would suggest that there was at least SOMETHING decidedly strange about the fires in the towers, given the ubiquitous nature of PVC in modern buildings. )
As to the claims of partially evaporated steel, it is not him claiming this it is one Dr. Barnett in the NEW YORK TIMES! he was part of the initial (official) fema investigation, which reported on this anomoly, and recomended investigation into how it could occur, yet none was ever done (officially at least, I guess Prof jones took it up unofficially instead)
it is good to see someone who's objections are based on (what would be to you) logical reasoning (and, it seems, decent scientific knowledge), even if you dont have (m)any of the facts available, rather than the plain denial I see in most people. Should you wish to discuss it further with me, I'd be happy to talk to you on (oh no, eeeevill) msn messenger: hmmmmm_really At hotmail. Ive been looking into it for a while so I can steer you past the disinfo and crazy people and to the meat of the problem (and trust me, its as meaty as a triple bacon meat lovers pizza hold the cheese, base and sauce)
(oh buy the way, I know you havent read his paper on the collapses, or at least his subsequent presentation in which he shows the results of the analysis showing these elements, since you would have read his explanations for why they are there. It would seem a bit... perhaps hypocritical... to pick on the agenda of someone else, while "debunking" their work without actually reading it, wouldnt you say? (nor even reading the initial FEMA investigation it is partly based on it seems))
for anyone interested, all this is outlined in the pdf I linked earlier, But I'll link it again:
pdf showing thermate residue
recommended pre-reading (this is the paper that the pdf is a follow up on)
for the rest of you, the results show that the molten metal tested was NOT molten steel and aluminium from the planes/structure as suggested by an earlier post, since there are none of the other elements except Fe that should be there if it was from structural steel(eg chromium), and the aluminium is in low concentration, however it DOES have the characteristic sulphur, manganese, potassium, flourine (all "fingerprints" of thermate usage), and even more interestingly, 1,3-diphenlypropane, for which the only present explanation is that it's residue from the use of a sol-gel used with explosive nano-thermite charges..
It is all explained quite nicely in here, the electrone microprobe RESULTS (yes you can look at them yourself, "not CSI" indeed, dickhead.) are shown around page 77 on.
results of testing of the wtc steel
you cannot stop terrorism by blowing up countries and killing peoples families. you can only create more terrorists. watch a movie called "peace propaganda and the promised lands" and realise WHY they are being "terrorists" in the first place, then stop doing that to them. (hey and you might like to watch a short clip on you tube, look up gallaway sky news, its funny, he hands the "reporter" her ass big time)
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.ht ml
http://www.rense.com/general66/ressp.htm
look up "terrorstorm" on google video (perhaps you should watch "painful deceptions" and "martial law 911" first
Id give you mod points if I could, even if funny gives you no karma boost :)
have a look here, and also read the pdf linked near the top, you'll see the proof of what I am talking about
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.ht ml
dont really know much about the mossad do ya... (dont worry, I know youll just deny it and act like they are good little boys and girls. believe all the shit you want)
in this case OCCAMS RAZOR WOULD AGREE WITH THE BLOG: whats simpler:
- huge masterful (working/finished) plan to blow up 3000 people in airplanes that have security tighter than a beep beep beep after all the shit we've been fed, involving many people and equipment and tech (liquid explosives etc) not really seen before (if it was used in 7/7, WHY WHERE THEY RUNNING WITH THIS EASY TO SET OFF EXPLOSIVE????)
- government finds a bunch of idiots with delusions of importance and grandeur playing spy games, blows it all out of proportion for CLEAR political purposes.
oh Im sorry, was that the sound of occams razor cutting through your horseshit?
anyway, re 7/7, watch "terrorstorm" on google video, you'll see that there was a "training" exercise being run on 7/7, involving muslim terrorists bombing 3 stations and a bus, at the exact time of the bombing (+- 30 mins) in the exact stations targetted by the bombing, and then all of a sudden it went live......
now think about this: the bomber on the bus was thought to perhaps not know it was a suicide mission: when he heard about the other "suicide" bombings witnesses said he panicked and tried to take his backpack off, which was when it exploded. Now imagine you where hired to be an actor in a terrorist drill, playing the part of a suicide bomber. You and 3 mates take the fake backback bombs and go buy return tickets, running and jumping with supposedly sensitive explosives on your backs. you split up as per the plan, your sitting on a bus, and all of a sudden you hear that bombs have gone off at the 3 places your mates where going too.....
(theres a lot more to it than that, watch terrorstorm)
yes but now imagine that the nest is the size of the middle east, they have nests all round the world, and they can talk to each other.... (no disrespect to muslims intended)
HAHAHAHA :( the post saying dont bother trying to figure out WHY the crazy person is forced (yes thats the right word) to kill himself, just close your eyes, hold your stinky breath and go back to sleep gets an insightfull, while the one pointing this out gets no mods...
ask yourself WHY. WHY would someone go to the trouble of strapping explosives to themselves and blowing themselves up. Dont fall for the "religious nut" copout. Thats just a side motivation. look up how these people got to be in this position. then stop putting them in that position.
watch "peace propaganda and the promised lands" on google video as a good starting place
I agree with you, but you forgot one extra thing: while they where taking your toothpaste away in hazmat suits, and thereby scaring the crap out of and pissing of people for no good reason at all, they where also killing the sons and daughters, brothers, sisters, parents friends and relatives of a couple of million new terrorists, all around the world, so the actual danger just tripled... How about instead of taking our liberties to "protect ourselves" (from ourselves..) we stop pissing off the rest of the damn world. I mean, I got bit by a bullant when I was little. You know what I did after that? I STOPPED POKING THEM WITH STICKS WHILE STANDING ON THEIR NESTS....
you watch too much old batman
hey back off father john, ive got a mum for that :) and she doesnt hug me funny :|
forgot to say one other thing: normally when you get attacked by bullants out in a forest, you stop poking their nests with sticks. well anybody who actually researches the true history of israel/palestine/etc etc will see that the US/UK/Israel has a policy of poking bullants with sticks, untill they bite someone, then punishing both the bullants and the bitten people. watch "peace propaganda and the promised lands" on google video for an example
Think of it like this: if you just shake up and open a bottle of coke, itll spray everywhere. If you let it sit long enough for the co2 to dissolve, and open it slowly, there is no sudden shock to release the dissolved gas. Same thing with heating water in the microwave in a perfectly smooth container: you can get it hotter than 100 degrees without boiling, because there is no particular spot for the bubbles (of steam) to form.
Well people/populations are like that. First they take your guns (seems logical enough, especially on a plane, even Im not gonna argue with that) then they take your pocket knives (ok..) then they take your nail clippers and plastic cutlery.. (wha?) then they take your toothpaste (huh? what the fuck?). at every stage the pre-flight search and the screening process gets more invasive, the ID you need (papers please) get more invasive, the database kept of your personal info gets bigger, but no one step is enough to "fizz" the population into a full scale revolt (see armed guards doing body searches at footy games, people arrested and locked up for days for peacefull protests, torture sanctioned by the president, unauthorised wiretapping sanctioned by the president. etc etc
Ask yourself this. If 10 years ago, all in one day, the government was to say: no pocket knives, plastic cutlery, nail clippers, metal thingies, pointy thingies, laptops, phones (assuming you had these two items) gameboys, walkmans, toothpaste, breast milk, bottles of water, mouthwash, god knows what, on planes. Body searches at sports games, they where going to torture people openly and no-one could do a thing about it. They would wiretap whoever they want and no one could do a thing about it, they where going to invade whoever they want and no one could do a thing about it, they would arrest anyone they want as a "terrorist" and hold them without charges indeffinately (while probably torturing them for info or fun) and no one could do a thing about it etc etc WOULDNT YOU BE PISSED OFF????WOuld you rise up and protect yourself, family, friends and children from a police state/fascism?
fucken sheeple. Wake up, or it'll be too late. Anyone alarmed by the above post (ie not a sheeple) start by watching "painful deceptions" on google video, then "the money masters" "truth and lies of 9/11", "martial law 9/11" "terrorstorm" etc etc, or, if you want a more scientific/research based intro, go to here , here , here and here (by the way, why this fake terror and restrictions on flying? SO THAT ONLY THE POWERFULL CAN EASILY FLY of course. Those with private jets and helicopters, limo's waiting and entire wardrobes waiting, wont be worried about this crap. Your average family that has to put up with smelly grumpy kids with no toys to keep them occupied for a 10 hour flight, and the distinct likely hood of being stranded in their destination with NO luggage or possessions beyond what they have on their person will be...)
nice to see one awake person... (well two actually, since the other reply would have to be sarcastic.. (wouldnt it?)
hehe nicely put (but wait, the bible is the word of god. He's allowed to say that stuff, just not us.....)
shouldnt they go public before they stop making episodes? I mean, shouldnt stargate land earthlings know there is a stargate? other wise, humanity has got nowhere, I mean, even the crappy little backwater planets with a few man-apes on them know what the chapa-ai(sp?) is, but not the majority of the tari (sp2?).....
you forgot 3. which is why this law was REALLY drafted... to abuse for the purpose of blocking blogs writing nasty things abbout the nice people in the gubmint.. you just watch, next they'll try to make some stupid law like you have to sign your real name in social networking sites, or get permission on your home computer or some other shit, of course, it's all to save the children...(whats worse, the physical abuse from a pedo, or the huge dick the government is sticking up all our non-corporate arses.)
At least thats my understanding of it
(also, when in the last fifty years has the debt been anywhere even close to the current level?)
Large-scale systems of greater than l00 kW cost in the range of $1,000 to $2,000 per kilowatt. I've seen cheaper estimates, but perhaps they might have been optimistic, cant find them now anyway. This is "rated power output", which on a large scale commercial site, I would think to be average power output, not peak but I'm not sure on that.
Now you can claim payback time is still 20 years or whatever, but you are forgetting, they are (in my magical la la land world) being payed for with reclaimed millitary invasion money, redirected from securing the oil fields to securing wind power, leaving money normally spent on actual oil/coal/gas purchases to other uses (whatever they might be)(not to mention saving plenty of peoples lives in the process). Even better would be if this was partially in the form of large rebates for homes to solar/wind power where possible, to enable distributed power generation, reducing blackouts etc.
Not sure of the cost of electricity where you are. It costs around 15c per kWh here in aust though. Assuming (and this could be wrong) that that IS average power, it would take $1000/15c= around 7000 hours, or 291 days to pay itself off. (lets be generous and round up by a factor of about 2 and make it 2 years) As for Solar cells, they are a couple of times more expensice than that, so we are looking at maybe a 10 year payoff time, however solar cells last a lot longer than 10 years. (just looking at SES stirling en gine solar collector, aiming for $1 per watt (again their figures, Im assuming average power but not sure) by next year.)
As to my understanding of currency, it is, I'll admit, limited. I would like to hear how you justify calling the USD "universal irregardless of oil" though. Considering the massive US debt, offshoring of many jobs, deskilling etc etc, how else is faith in the US economy being maintained besides OIL and millitary? because without faith in the US, they're just slips of printed T.P.
I mean, drivers would only ever have a vigil and risk getting arrested for a sucky car....(ever heard of a vigil for any petrol powered car? me neither)
I guess they sucked so much, perhaps the former drivers wanted to pay the nearly 2 million offered to stop GM crushing them just so they could smash them themselves? Sure wish I had that much money to throw away on sucky cars...
In other words, do a little research yourself and realise something very important.
One Hint: You're a moron. (not everyone needs to drive further than 122 miles per day. In fact, not many (as a percentage) really do)
Solar panels on house roofs would provide far more power than needed by the house (200m^2*200watts perM^2 at full power * 0.2 % average solar power (including day/night/cloudy etc) = 8 Kw....) , even at todays shitty efficiency rates, and I have no idea why you would say theres not enough energy in wind.
As to cost, solar is a tad expensive at the moment, though sliver cells might help with this, but wind is less than $1 per watt.... How much is the US spending on iraq/afghanistan/iran next/other stupid wars for control of oil (among other things): oh yeah trillions. enough to completely power america with wind. wierd, wonder why they dont do that? (look up oil backed currency/federal reserve) then there's cars. heres 3 options: electric (see "who killed the electric car") which IS very viable, no matter what youve been told to believe, Hydrogen, preferably with people creating most of their hydrogen needs at home from their own solar powered electrolysis machine, and finally, for those that still want to run on oil/diesel type fuels, thermal-depolymerisation (see changing world tech, oil from waste (turkey offal) at high efficiency)
in case you missed it, wind power is LESS THAN $1 per watt. average power usage of americans (including home/transport and I think industry) is about 6-7 KW. Stick a once off extra 6G's on top of new car/house purchases and its done, energy is paid for for life (except the small maintainence costs), or stop invading the middle east and use the saved money for renewables.
Only one problem. Oil backed currency. If Oil demand drops, demand for the US dollar drops, since opec nations only generally sell oil in USD, and the USD is no longer gold backed, meaning one of the few reasons it has any real value to other nations is to buy oil with.
tell you what, have a look at "who killed the electric car", then come back.