We used to buy computers from Datapoint in the late 70s and early 80s. Funny thing was, they'd send us extra equipment once in a while, when we'd ask, they'd say, oh, shipping error, send it back.
They also had a track record of zillions of quarters in a row of ever increasing revenue.
One day, some rookie accountant wondered why so mnay Holiday Inn rooms were being booked and no one was staying in them, investigated, and found they were ful of extra equipment, being shipped at end of quarter to show increased revenue. Huge scandal when that hit the news, stock dropped by a factor of ten overnight.
At least that's my memory of such long ago events, and I'm not even going to stick to it if someone has a better memory.
Well of course $CO is full of shit. But I'm just pointing out a possible (from a nitpicking PHB legal point of view) reason for their stance of not showing the code. Their stated reason, that all the infringing code could somehow disappear before the trial, is bogus and only shows how stupid and desperate they are. But aside from all that, there is this possible reason that might sound reasonable to idiots, and it needs to be pointed out.
Why can't they just point out the infringing source code in the kernel without revealing their own proprietary code that is being infringed upon?
They'd also have to show their proprietary code, if they want to show the similarity.
See, on the surface, this might sound good to a naive audience... like PHBs. But a moment's thought shows that if they truly are similar, whether one is a copy of the other, or they are both derived from a common legal source, or both were derived from first principles, as long as they are similar enough to be potentialy infringing at first quick glance... then it can't possibly hurt them to show their own version of the alleged infringing code.
But then a nitpicking lawyer (redundant?) might say, ah ha, you have shown your proprietary trade secret code, so it is now no longer a trade secret.
Choosing EFT does't improve your own security unless you are worried about having picked up somebody else's card by mistake. It doesn't have beans to do with the guy who steals your card; he has no obligation to choose EFT.
The point being that we are damned if e do and damned if we don't The world screams at us for not saving their butts soon enough and ofor saving their butts too soon, and never thanks us for the actual butt saving without sneering behind their hands how it would have been so much better if we'd done it sooner.
That's what makes me wish we had stayed isloationist and let Europe go to their own little hell.
That's what makes me almost think Shrub did the right thing.
I am sick and tired of European hyprocrisy at complaining about us saving butts.
Every other argument dragged in is irrelevant to wishing you folk would just cut the crap.
Without US financial support, Britain would have been bankrupt after the first year.
And it's still besides the point -- why does everyone point fingers at the US for being late, if we had no effect? Would you rather we had come in sooner, or not at all?
So you would rather we had stayed out of the European conflict?
That's what it comes down to. Without US support, Europe would have been run by nazis or communists. We get blasted for doing nothing or doing it too late or doing it too soon. No one ever says "Thanks". Didn't Rudyard Kipling have something to say about that fellow named Tommy?
Every other of your arguments is besides the point.
Nothing says "the Internet". The/. headline says the Net, which is dubious and vague. The poster says "IP", which is certainly not Intellectual Property.
None of it says The Internet or The Public Internet.
Europe roundly condcemned us for not joining WW I fast enough, even tho it was a purely European matter which the Europeans couldn't solve.
Then Europe roundly condemned us for not joining in WW II fast enough, even tho that too was a purely European matter which was in fact jump started by the disastrous treaty, drafted by France, which ended WW I.
Not to mention that while Roosevelt was trying to help the Chinese, who Japan had invaded in 1931 and 1937, the Europeans couldn't be bothered with some trifle so far away.
Then the Suez canal fiasco, where Egypt nationalized that wonder of colonial days, Britain and France invaded to take it back... and guess who told them to get out? Duhh... the US! How about that?
And who told the French that trying to recover Indochina after WW II ended was a mistake? Duhh... The US!
Then there's the Balkans again, 1990s, couple of purely European wars there... and you'd think, this having been the very hotbed which started WW I, that the Europeans would have been a bit more eager to put a lid on it... but wait a minute, I seem to remember France popping off their mouth that they wouldn't contribute any troops unless we contributed the lion's share.
And where were the Dayton Accords signed? Hmmmm... Datyton, Ohio, USA... how about that!
Now I personally am not a big fan of Bush, or either gulf war. But by gum, the UN signed up in 1991 to cleanup Iraq, put in sanctions, rid it of the big nasty weapons... and who actually monitored it and enforced it? The US mostly. France and Germany even agreed to a UN resolution just a few months ago telling Saddam he had stalled long enough.. yet when it came time to back it up, they slid into a corner and made silly noises.
I personally am sick and tired of saving Eurpoe's ass. WW I, WW II, Suez, Balkans... why don't you damn fools get some spine and take care of yourselves?
I have a naive belief in balance in the universe. Of course, the universe takes a while to make its effects known...
But anyway, I believe this will backfire badly on Microsoft. Of course they paid SCO a bunch of money to throw more FUD in Linux's way, and free source software in general. Whether or not they put SCO up to it in the first place, I don't know.
However... I can't see how this could have any merit, and after all has been shown to be the usual FUD, it will strengthen free source software very much. I believe that's why Microsoft is keeping quiet. They can afford to throw a few million at SCO for "licensing" and never miss it when it turns out to be a lost cause. A few pantywaists will flee Linux. Anyone with half a brain will proceed as if nothing has happened, because, well, nothing *has* happened.
And after it's all over, Microsoft's arguments about the evils of free source software will look more and more inane.
Every tactic Microsoft has tried has backfired or at least failed, and the bigger the lie, the more egg on their face when it is discovered.
You need a good grounding in practical aeronautics, like weight. I doubt very much these balloons would have any kevlar armor. Keerist, a balloon is a huge thing! The German balloons of WW I were military weapons going in harm's way and had no armor, do you really think anyone is going to armor a com balloon where every penny counts?
They may well compartmentalize the bag, but all that will mean is that it has to come down for repair when the bag is peirced, and they will be able to do that under some kind of graceful degradation control. Still a DoS. A mission kill doesn't necesarily mean destruction.
No, the communication gondola won't be shielded. Weight, weight, weight. There's a reason airplanes use so much expensive equipment and materials, they want to save weight, and as expensive as that is, it's cheaper than a bigger engine and wings, or bag in this case.
It is my understanding that if something is explicitly marked as copyrighted, then damages are not limited to sale prioce of the product. It's only the basic implicit copyright that every written document inherits that can collect no damages.
First, my comment refered directly and only to the non-equivalency of the two court cases.
Second, you have an interesting bias.
and truly *sane* (not profit-driven) decisions are made
Interesting that you consider profit driven decisions to be insane. Tell me, have you always made buying decision with complete disregard for price? Have you ever taken a job and ignored pay? Would you keep your current job if your pay was cut in half?
Over the top rants like yours almost make me want to become a megacorp lover.
This farmer destroyed evidence, intentionally lied, all because he doesn't like Monsanto. Whether or not Monsanto deserves to be disliked, this farmer intentionally messed with them and the law, especially where he destroyed evidence after he was told not to.
This has nothing in common with the Canadian case.
In Transparent Society, he said we can't keep that privacy, like you say, it's long gone from the barn. But trying to restrict who gets to see it is also a long gone horse. The rich and powerful will always have access, legally and openly or otherwise.
Best to let EVERYBODY look at ALL info. Right now, the rich and powerful can look at everybody's info, but (1) we don't know it, and (2) we can't look at theirs.
I'd rather be able to look at everybody's info, including the rich and powerful, even at the tradeoff of knowing that my neighbors are looking at mine.
The problem isn't that the info is available. The problem is that it is only available to the rich and powerful.
And with men and women's violation of the age old long-hair-is-woman, short-hair-is-man code
Both wore long hair, and men had beards and mustaches, up until around WWI, 1914-1918, and I believe it was because gas masks don't work well with facial hair. I am not sure why long hair got the shove at the same time, but that's the way it looks...
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Emacs already has all that.
Emacs!
Vi!
Come on come on, one and all, joint the flamefest!
Mr. Godwin, meet the nazis of the unix world.
Flying low down only, or does it inlcude the ones down low for repair?
We used to buy computers from Datapoint in the late 70s and early 80s. Funny thing was, they'd send us extra equipment once in a while, when we'd ask, they'd say, oh, shipping error, send it back.
They also had a track record of zillions of quarters in a row of ever increasing revenue.
One day, some rookie accountant wondered why so mnay Holiday Inn rooms were being booked and no one was staying in them, investigated, and found they were ful of extra equipment, being shipped at end of quarter to show increased revenue. Huge scandal when that hit the news, stock dropped by a factor of ten overnight.
At least that's my memory of such long ago events, and I'm not even going to stick to it if someone has a better memory.
We had that power deregulation fiasco about the same time the economy went down hill. Coincidence?
I think not!
It just shows to go ya, if you can't keep your electrical grid running, you can't have hacking!
If it's baroque, postfix it ....
Well of course $CO is full of shit. But I'm just pointing out a possible (from a nitpicking PHB legal point of view) reason for their stance of not showing the code. Their stated reason, that all the infringing code could somehow disappear before the trial, is bogus and only shows how stupid and desperate they are. But aside from all that, there is this possible reason that might sound reasonable to idiots, and it needs to be pointed out.
Why can't they just point out the infringing source code in the kernel without revealing their own proprietary code that is being infringed upon?
... like PHBs. But a moment's thought shows that if they truly are similar, whether one is a copy of the other, or they are both derived from a common legal source, or both were derived from first principles, as long as they are similar enough to be potentialy infringing at first quick glance ... then it can't possibly hurt them to show their own version of the alleged infringing code.
They'd also have to show their proprietary code, if they want to show the similarity.
See, on the surface, this might sound good to a naive audience
But then a nitpicking lawyer (redundant?) might say, ah ha, you have shown your proprietary trade secret code, so it is now no longer a trade secret.
That is their reason^Wexcuse.
Choosing EFT does't improve your own security unless you are worried about having picked up somebody else's card by mistake. It doesn't have beans to do with the guy who steals your card; he has no obligation to choose EFT.
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The point being that we are damned if e do and damned if we don't The world screams at us for not saving their butts soon enough and ofor saving their butts too soon, and never thanks us for the actual butt saving without sneering behind their hands how it would have been so much better if we'd done it sooner.
That's what makes me wish we had stayed isloationist and let Europe go to their own little hell.
That's what makes me almost think Shrub did the right thing.
I am sick and tired of European hyprocrisy at complaining about us saving butts.
Every other argument dragged in is irrelevant to wishing you folk would just cut the crap.
Without US financial support, Britain would have been bankrupt after the first year.
And it's still besides the point -- why does everyone point fingers at the US for being late, if we had no effect? Would you rather we had come in sooner, or not at all?
Sure am tired of saving Europe's cowardly ass.
So you would rather we had stayed out of the European conflict?
That's what it comes down to. Without US support, Europe would have been run by nazis or communists. We get blasted for doing nothing or doing it too late or doing it too soon. No one ever says "Thanks". Didn't Rudyard Kipling have something to say about that fellow named Tommy?
Every other of your arguments is besides the point.
Nothing says "the Internet". The /. headline says the Net, which is dubious and vague. The poster says "IP", which is certainly not Intellectual Property.
None of it says The Internet or The Public Internet.
Europe roundly condcemned us for not joining WW I fast enough, even tho it was a purely European matter which the Europeans couldn't solve.
... and guess who told them to get out? Duhh ... the US! How about that?
... The US!
... and you'd think, this having been the very hotbed which started WW I, that the Europeans would have been a bit more eager to put a lid on it ... but wait a minute, I seem to remember France popping off their mouth that they wouldn't contribute any troops unless we contributed the lion's share.
... Datyton, Ohio, USA ... how about that!
... and who actually monitored it and enforced it? The US mostly. France and Germany even agreed to a UN resolution just a few months ago telling Saddam he had stalled long enough .. yet when it came time to back it up, they slid into a corner and made silly noises.
... why don't you damn fools get some spine and take care of yourselves?
Then Europe roundly condemned us for not joining in WW II fast enough, even tho that too was a purely European matter which was in fact jump started by the disastrous treaty, drafted by France, which ended WW I.
Not to mention that while Roosevelt was trying to help the Chinese, who Japan had invaded in 1931 and 1937, the Europeans couldn't be bothered with some trifle so far away.
Then the Suez canal fiasco, where Egypt nationalized that wonder of colonial days, Britain and France invaded to take it back
And who told the French that trying to recover Indochina after WW II ended was a mistake? Duhh
Then there's the Balkans again, 1990s, couple of purely European wars there
And where were the Dayton Accords signed? Hmmmm
Now I personally am not a big fan of Bush, or either gulf war. But by gum, the UN signed up in 1991 to cleanup Iraq, put in sanctions, rid it of the big nasty weapons
I personally am sick and tired of saving Eurpoe's ass. WW I, WW II, Suez, Balkans
I have a naive belief in balance in the universe. Of course, the universe takes a while to make its effects known ...
... I can't see how this could have any merit, and after all has been shown to be the usual FUD, it will strengthen free source software very much. I believe that's why Microsoft is keeping quiet. They can afford to throw a few million at SCO for "licensing" and never miss it when it turns out to be a lost cause. A few pantywaists will flee Linux. Anyone with half a brain will proceed as if nothing has happened, because, well, nothing *has* happened.
But anyway, I believe this will backfire badly on Microsoft. Of course they paid SCO a bunch of money to throw more FUD in Linux's way, and free source software in general. Whether or not they put SCO up to it in the first place, I don't know.
However
And after it's all over, Microsoft's arguments about the evils of free source software will look more and more inane.
Every tactic Microsoft has tried has backfired or at least failed, and the bigger the lie, the more egg on their face when it is discovered.
A one letter change makes it ... baboons!
There now, that's better, isn't it...
You need a good grounding in practical aeronautics, like weight. I doubt very much these balloons would have any kevlar armor. Keerist, a balloon is a huge thing! The German balloons of WW I were military weapons going in harm's way and had no armor, do you really think anyone is going to armor a com balloon where every penny counts?
They may well compartmentalize the bag, but all that will mean is that it has to come down for repair when the bag is peirced, and they will be able to do that under some kind of graceful degradation control. Still a DoS. A mission kill doesn't necesarily mean destruction.
No, the communication gondola won't be shielded. Weight, weight, weight. There's a reason airplanes use so much expensive equipment and materials, they want to save weight, and as expensive as that is, it's cheaper than a bigger engine and wings, or bag in this case.
Says quite clearly UNWANTED. Content is irrelevant, sending it without prior permission is the crime.
I can print all the leaflets I want. How about I use your envelopes and stamps (and return address) to send them out?
It is my understanding that if something is explicitly marked as copyrighted, then damages are not limited to sale prioce of the product. It's only the basic implicit copyright that every written document inherits that can collect no damages.
Not just for showing me the code ... but also for showing me that pathetic isn't always something to be deprecated.
(*Well actually I have, but that don't fit into my slashdot-image and would not make this joke funny.)
What really fits the image is using the slightest excuse to brag that you don't fit the image.
First, my comment refered directly and only to the non-equivalency of the two court cases.
Second, you have an interesting bias.
and truly *sane* (not profit-driven) decisions are made
Interesting that you consider profit driven decisions to be insane. Tell me, have you always made buying decision with complete disregard for price? Have you ever taken a job and ignored pay? Would you keep your current job if your pay was cut in half?
Over the top rants like yours almost make me want to become a megacorp lover.
This farmer destroyed evidence, intentionally lied, all because he doesn't like Monsanto. Whether or not Monsanto deserves to be disliked, this farmer intentionally messed with them and the law, especially where he destroyed evidence after he was told not to.
This has nothing in common with the Canadian case.
In Transparent Society, he said we can't keep that privacy, like you say, it's long gone from the barn. But trying to restrict who gets to see it is also a long gone horse. The rich and powerful will always have access, legally and openly or otherwise.
Best to let EVERYBODY look at ALL info. Right now, the rich and powerful can look at everybody's info, but (1) we don't know it, and (2) we can't look at theirs.
I'd rather be able to look at everybody's info, including the rich and powerful, even at the tradeoff of knowing that my neighbors are looking at mine.
The problem isn't that the info is available. The problem is that it is only available to the rich and powerful.
And with men and women's violation of the age old long-hair-is-woman, short-hair-is-man code
Both wore long hair, and men had beards and mustaches, up until around WWI, 1914-1918, and I believe it was because gas masks don't work well with facial hair. I am not sure why long hair got the shove at the same time, but that's the way it looks...