Doesn't need to. If you work at Google and you have a hand in an OSS browser, your manager says "take some time and work on the search feature in the browser, and by the way, since you're on our clock, make us the default search engine." There, it's done. You get a paycheck, the browser gets a useful working tool - for free.
You know, I wonder(and we will see) if HD-DVD might win by default if the so called rom-mark has issues. If a mastered Disney movie gets screwed up then distributed then continues to render all the Blu-Ray players useless, what kind of lawsuits wil we see happen. Mastering glitches happen all the time and the only one that comes to mind is the Back To The Future glitch that the studio replaced.
It seems like instead of going after the criminals that sell copied movies out of their trunk, they're making the consumer a type of police and forcing them to jump through hoops (by having players that can self destruct and buying BD+ discs). BluRay will be able to be copied especially once DVD-Jon gets a hold of one.
I have a 27" NEC Monitor Circa 1986 that is still my primary video device (no tuner, gotta use an external output device). It has 3 video inputs (2 stereo and 1 mono) with a video 2 thru and a monitor (to hook up a satellite monitor) feature. Video 2 jack is in the front which was the only thing like it that I've seen in the 80's. The Mono is the VTR connector that I've made a converter for with RCA jacks.
There is no remote for this however my 3 year old works pretty well.
I have close family that was affected by Katrina. The ones that are whining Whine* they didn't rescue us fast enough, they put us in a stadium and we didn't have food *Whine*. have this sense of entitlement and are losers. They are lazy. These are the same people that were given food stamp and cash credit cards that spent it on televisions, stippers, and booze. Mind you that this money comes from our taxes so WE are giving these 'unfortunate' people luxuries that we work hard ourselves to EARN.
Now, I'm not heartless and alot of people were put out that deserve a break and a little handout but you never hear of the stories of the families that move their family and start over (like the ones I know) without any assistance. You never hear of the real heroes that provide comfort and security for their familes ALL THE TIME. All we hear is how someone was stupid enough to stay in a flooded house for 2 weeks, get rescued by a recue worker that will never be thanked, and how this person is now going to be evicted from a hotel room. Well, you know what? GET A JOB.
I like Sony. I wasn't affected by this for I don't buy music with the Sony label nor am I a Microsoft user. I don't agree with what they did and they should be punished for it however I like most of Sony's electronics. As long as I can do waht I want to do with my stuff, I'm OK (which is why I canned MS) and I'm watching this Blu-Ray thing and as long as I get to view my content without phoning home or restrictions, I'll be OK.
[rant] Now, on a side note, I hate the way most of these studio DVD's are being released. I don't want trailers for upcoming movies or DVD's. I want the damn content. Disney is horrible. Universal is horrible. Warner Brothers is horrible. They need to take a cue from George Lucas' or Peter Jackson's released DVDs where it's only the movie when you insert it.
And then starting with Batman Begins, why do you have to go somewhere else to get the 'special' version that costs way much more than it should/used to for less content? I'm considering thinking about not being a customer after being bombarded with that crappy 'piracy' clip in front of most movies. I'm a damn customer, give me what I paid for. [/rant]
There is no Macintosh Tax like Microsoft Tax. If you call Apple, you can get a system WITHOUT the OS and get it cheaper. I've done it for graphic houses installations.
And if you are a Mac user, you know damn well that the so-called 'shovelware' is iLife that you're talking about is included FREE for new systems. All software on a Mac can be easily removed by dragging the application to the trash.
If Dell makes most of their money on the corporate or educational market, those markets already have licenses with Microsoft and pre-set images. For Dell to sell to the consumer, they can just tack on an OEM price for the OS like an upgraded hard drive for the small business or home user.
If Dell's market is 60% corporate and 40% consumer, they stand to make more money this way. If the per unit Microsoft tax is $6 on say 1,000,000 units, then Dell is out $6,000,000 for all the units. If they can charge a discounted OEM rate -say $40- for 40% of the 1,000,000, they can make $16,000,000 so that's a gross profit of $22,000,000.
With storage so cheap now and your average consumer doesn't need a 100+ GB drive, the cost makes sense.
Bill Gates is a hacker too. He dropped out of college and programmed what he did with no training (before he started to buy programmers). A hacker is an untrained person that has professional skills that profess in a certain area that should have taken them years, education, and experience to receive. They could also be enthusiastic about a diversion (music, sports, computing).
It could be music, sports, computers, driving, etc...
There are plenty of sport hacks and musician hacks. You hear it alot in music especially in piano and solo instruments.
It's kind of sad how the computer revolution has turned this word into implying something malicious.
When I use Linux to view the page, I get "Your operating system is not supported by Windows Media PLayer".
When I use the Mac to view the page, I get "Download Windows Media Player 9 for Mac OSX".
For those that aren't OS ambidexterous, Windows Media Player 9 for the Mac is nothing like Windows Media Player 9 for Windows. Windows Media Player 10 is able to support HD which there is no WMP10 for Mac. However, Apple has Quicktime7 available for Mac and Windows and each port is EXACTLY identical in output and function.
MPlayer is a hack. A very useful and well received and I thank the developers for it.
Microsoft doesn't support MPlayer for Linux nor do they have a media player for Linux. They did have version 6.4 availabe for Linux about 5 years ago and it was identical except for midi output.
DRM - I can burn a DVD using Sony's DVD burner (Dual Layer) and play it anywhere that will play a DVD. If I burn a DVD using Microsoft Windows Xp Media Center, I can only play it on THAT machine and not a DVD player.
My Sony Digital camera works with my Mac and Linux operating systems. My MSDN edition of Office 2003 only works on Windows of which there is a Mac edition that is nothing like the Windows version. I'm not holding my breath on the Linux edition.
Who has my interests at heart? It's not Microsoft.
Exactly. It also explains why there isn't a compatible Windows Media Player for any other Operating System other than Windows. If Microsoft were to release a Media Player that is EXACTLY the same across all Operating Systems, then I _might_ believe that they may have our best interests at heart.
But, they don't and they continue to stifle technological growth.
In those days, you could buy the browsers off the shelf for $40-$50 bucks (or download them for free like the rest of us).
And before DVD's hit mainstream, remember those VCD's in the computer stores? There was always that computer demo "Minds Eye" or something like that and Lawnmower Man.
It is a horrid wretched peice of software that should die like the rotting beast of Golgamathea that it is.
The Netscape 7 series was a much better browser for the Mac (Specifically Classic). It had proper CSS support, popup blocking, and the mail client didn't suck as well. There are much bettter choices available for OSX.
Outlook Express that was bundled with IE couldn't open hyperlinks. I'm just glad that I don't have to code to it anymore.
I don't care about what you build or I build. There's 200 million users out there that don't have a choice.
It's a matter of using an adding machine with a ledger vs. computer network with certified tax accounting procedures. Microsoft hasn't bothered me in 5 years - except for paid gigs. As soon as I read about activation for XP and Office 2000 (Retail) - the later editions, and the conditions required for it, I chucked them.
What don't you get about computer suppliers that have to pay Microsoft on EVERY computer out their door.
There is no way at this moment that you can buy a computer from Dell, HP, Lenovo, Gateway, GQ(and these guys are tiny), SystemMAX, Tiger, etc... where THAT supplier doesn't pay Microsoft on a system that doesn't have a Microsoft OS on it. It doesn't exist - only locally owned shops.
Show me a major supplier - in the tens of millions of units per year- of desktop computers that doesn't pay Microsoft and is 100% compatable with the general tax and accounting packages off the shelf or from a reputable vendor.
I never said you don't have options and I'm not complaining. My first comment is explicitly this
"Name a tier 1 Computer assembler/maker that doesn't pay a microsoft tax."
Apple and Sun came to mind. Then name the Tier1 business applications that are available on those platforms.
You can't which fall into my 3rd comment "In addition to that, what software company (Like Great Plains, People Soft, SAS) is going to distribute programming resources writing for other OS's that didn't have the 'exclusive' manufacturer tax."
I haven't dealt with SAS in over a couple of years and it looks like that they do a linux port now. Last I checked, MAS90 or MAS200 isn't available for Linux.
Again, the comments are hashed over the validity of a Microsoft monopoly on the desktop NOT if one could purchase a computer without Microsoft Windows installed.
The point of the discussion is hash out the validity of the Microsoft monopoly over the desktop, not that you could get a computer without Microsoft Windows installed and not pay anything to Microsoft. Of course you can find a local shop that will build you a personal computer for you to your specs and without installing Microsoft windows or paying a fee to Microsoft.
The Microsoft 'Tax' comes from an agreement that Microsoft made with computer sellers/assemblers/manufacturers. When BEOS was a threat for the home market - it was inexpensive, had multimedia and games out of the box and worked, Microsoft saw fit to disallow any manufacturers to sell their(MS) product if the manufacturers also sold units with the competition installed. In addition to that, if a manufacturer were to sell units with a competing OS installed, they would have to pay a fine to Microsoft in order to continue to sell Microsoft Windows pre-installed.
The vendors not wanting to be locked in fought this until MS forced BEOS to give up due to lack of cash spent on frivilous lawsuits. Microsoft current agreement is for the Tier 1 manufacturers (computers sellers that sell in the millions) to pay Microsoft their fee for licensing based upon the number of units sold, NOT the number of units sold with Windows pre-installed.
You can always get an OEM license from a local shop waived because Microsoft doesn't care about the shop that sells units in the hundreds or thousands.
Last I heard, you still can't get a Dell desktop without windows and NOT pay the microsoft tax that is built into the price.
Sure you can.
Dell pays the MS tax hence you can't get a Linux system from them without them paying the tax. Name a Tier1 computer assembler/maker(Intel Architechture implied) that also sells Microsoft Windows that doesn't pay the tax for EVERY machine out the door. They[Tier1] don't exist - except for the local computer shop[not Tier1] that sells the OEM licenses.
In addition to that, what software company (Like Great Plains, People Soft, SAS) is going to distribute programming resources writing for other OS's that didn't have the 'exclusive' manufacturer tax.
Where is the BEOS version? Mac Classic?
I understand that now Linux is starting to become a player for the desktop and the topic is wether or not Microsoft still is a monopoly. Well, you still can't get the above listed applications TODAY for any other Operating System (OK, SAS counts) due to the so called manufacturer 'tax' or displacment of resources that software publishing houses need convincing of.
I'll never consider Microsoft to play fair (and why should they) as long as their Windows Media Player - which they are fighing tooth and nail for it to become THE distribution standard with content providers - is not exatcly 100% equal with the Windows to Mac version, and the lack of a media player for Linux which they did have one for Mediaplayer 6.4.
Name a tier 1 Computer assembler/maker that doesn't pay a microsoft tax.
Last I heard, you still can't get a Dell desktop without windows and NOT pay the microsoft tax that is built into the price.
In addition to that, what software company (Like Great Plains, People Soft, SAS) is going to distribute programming resources writing for other OS's that didn't have the 'exclusive' manufacturer tax.
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Doesn't need to.
If you work at Google and you have a hand in an OSS browser, your manager says "take some time and work on the search feature in the browser, and by the way, since you're on our clock, make us the default search engine."
There, it's done. You get a paycheck, the browser gets a useful working tool - for free.
You know, I wonder(and we will see) if HD-DVD might win by default if the so called rom-mark has issues. If a mastered Disney movie gets screwed up then distributed then continues to render all the Blu-Ray players useless, what kind of lawsuits wil we see happen.
Mastering glitches happen all the time and the only one that comes to mind is the Back To The Future glitch that the studio replaced.
It seems like instead of going after the criminals that sell copied movies out of their trunk, they're making the consumer a type of police and forcing them to jump through hoops (by having players that can self destruct and buying BD+ discs). BluRay will be able to be copied especially once DVD-Jon gets a hold of one.
How do you know if one of the developers works for Google and happened to work on that part for the OSS browsers?
I watch movies at 1x.
I have a 27" NEC Monitor Circa 1986 that is still my primary video device (no tuner, gotta use an external output device).
It has 3 video inputs (2 stereo and 1 mono) with a video 2 thru and a monitor (to hook up a satellite monitor) feature.
Video 2 jack is in the front which was the only thing like it that I've seen in the 80's.
The Mono is the VTR connector that I've made a converter for with RCA jacks.
There is no remote for this however my 3 year old works pretty well.
I have close family that was affected by Katrina. The ones that are whining Whine* they didn't rescue us fast enough, they put us in a stadium and we didn't have food *Whine*. have this sense of entitlement and are losers. They are lazy. These are the same people that were given food stamp and cash credit cards that spent it on televisions, stippers, and booze.
Mind you that this money comes from our taxes so WE are giving these 'unfortunate' people luxuries that we work hard ourselves to EARN.
Now, I'm not heartless and alot of people were put out that deserve a break and a little handout but you never hear of the stories of the families that move their family and start over (like the ones I know) without any assistance. You never hear of the real heroes that provide comfort and security for their familes ALL THE TIME. All we hear is how someone was stupid enough to stay in a flooded house for 2 weeks, get rescued by a recue worker that will never be thanked, and how this person is now going to be evicted from a hotel room.
Well, you know what? GET A JOB.
I like Sony.
I wasn't affected by this for I don't buy music with the Sony label nor am I a Microsoft user.
I don't agree with what they did and they should be punished for it however I like most of Sony's electronics.
As long as I can do waht I want to do with my stuff, I'm OK (which is why I canned MS) and I'm watching this Blu-Ray thing and as long as I get to view my content without phoning home or restrictions, I'll be OK.
[rant]
Now, on a side note, I hate the way most of these studio DVD's are being released.
I don't want trailers for upcoming movies or DVD's.
I want the damn content.
Disney is horrible. Universal is horrible. Warner Brothers is horrible.
They need to take a cue from George Lucas' or Peter Jackson's released DVDs where it's only the movie when you insert it.
And then starting with Batman Begins, why do you have to go somewhere else to get the 'special' version that costs way much more than it should/used to for less content?
I'm considering thinking about not being a customer after being bombarded with that crappy 'piracy' clip in front of most movies. I'm a damn customer, give me what I paid for.
[/rant]
It's $10,000 in the states. I believe that law enforcement can confiscate it and not return it if you don't have proper documentation.
What's the big deal here?
There's no story and who cares if a site leaves a persistent cookie?
Much more can be obtained by perusing the logfiles on the hosted server.
The fee is tax deductible, you'll get better results, and if there is a problem, you accountant has to assist.
There is no Macintosh Tax like Microsoft Tax.
If you call Apple, you can get a system WITHOUT the OS and get it cheaper. I've done it for graphic houses installations.
And if you are a Mac user, you know damn well that the so-called 'shovelware' is iLife that you're talking about is included FREE for new systems. All software on a Mac can be easily removed by dragging the application to the trash.
If Dell makes most of their money on the corporate or educational market, those markets already have licenses with Microsoft and pre-set images.
For Dell to sell to the consumer, they can just tack on an OEM price for the OS like an upgraded hard drive for the small business or home user.
If Dell's market is 60% corporate and 40% consumer, they stand to make more money this way.
If the per unit Microsoft tax is $6 on say 1,000,000 units, then Dell is out $6,000,000 for all the units.
If they can charge a discounted OEM rate -say $40- for 40% of the 1,000,000, they can make $16,000,000 so that's a gross profit of $22,000,000.
With storage so cheap now and your average consumer doesn't need a 100+ GB drive, the cost makes sense.
I know plenty of designers that still use Corels vector art from Corel 4.
Bill Gates is a hacker too.
He dropped out of college and programmed what he did with no training (before he started to buy programmers).
A hacker is an untrained person that has professional skills that profess in a certain area that should have taken them years, education, and experience to receive. They could also be enthusiastic about a diversion (music, sports, computing).
It could be music, sports, computers, driving, etc...
There are plenty of sport hacks and musician hacks. You hear it alot in music especially in piano and solo instruments.
It's kind of sad how the computer revolution has turned this word into implying something malicious.
*Official* Microsoft Windows Media Player download page http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/mp10 /default.aspx
When I use Linux to view the page, I get "Your operating system is not supported by Windows Media PLayer".
When I use the Mac to view the page, I get "Download Windows Media Player 9 for Mac OSX".
For those that aren't OS ambidexterous, Windows Media Player 9 for the Mac is nothing like Windows Media Player 9 for Windows.
Windows Media Player 10 is able to support HD which there is no WMP10 for Mac.
However, Apple has Quicktime7 available for Mac and Windows and each port is EXACTLY identical in output and function.
MPlayer is a hack. A very useful and well received and I thank the developers for it.
Microsoft doesn't support MPlayer for Linux nor do they have a media player for Linux. They did have version 6.4 availabe for Linux about 5 years ago and it was identical except for midi output.
DRM -
I can burn a DVD using Sony's DVD burner (Dual Layer) and play it anywhere that will play a DVD.
If I burn a DVD using Microsoft Windows Xp Media Center, I can only play it on THAT machine and not a DVD player.
My Sony Digital camera works with my Mac and Linux operating systems.
My MSDN edition of Office 2003 only works on Windows of which there is a Mac edition that is nothing like the Windows version.
I'm not holding my breath on the Linux edition.
Who has my interests at heart? It's not Microsoft.
Exactly. It also explains why there isn't a compatible Windows Media Player for any other Operating System other than Windows.
If Microsoft were to release a Media Player that is EXACTLY the same across all Operating Systems, then I _might_ believe that they may have our best interests at heart.
But, they don't and they continue to stifle technological growth.
In those days, you could buy the browsers off the shelf for $40-$50 bucks (or download them for free like the rest of us).
And before DVD's hit mainstream, remember those VCD's in the computer stores? There was always that computer demo "Minds Eye" or something like that and Lawnmower Man.
You don't need IE to update Windows.
Windows(between Ctrl and Alt on most keyboards) + Pause|Break > Automatic Updates
It is a horrid wretched peice of software that should die like the rotting beast of Golgamathea that it is.
The Netscape 7 series was a much better browser for the Mac (Specifically Classic).
It had proper CSS support, popup blocking, and the mail client didn't suck as well.
There are much bettter choices available for OSX.
Outlook Express that was bundled with IE couldn't open hyperlinks.
I'm just glad that I don't have to code to it anymore.
I don't care about what you build or I build. There's 200 million users out there that don't have a choice.
It's a matter of using an adding machine with a ledger vs. computer network with certified tax accounting procedures.
Microsoft hasn't bothered me in 5 years - except for paid gigs. As soon as I read about activation for XP and Office 2000 (Retail) - the later editions, and the conditions required for it, I chucked them.
What don't you get about computer suppliers that have to pay Microsoft on EVERY computer out their door.
There is no way at this moment that you can buy a computer from Dell, HP, Lenovo, Gateway, GQ(and these guys are tiny), SystemMAX, Tiger, etc... where THAT supplier doesn't pay Microsoft on a system that doesn't have a Microsoft OS on it. It doesn't exist - only locally owned shops.
Show me a major supplier - in the tens of millions of units per year- of desktop computers that doesn't pay Microsoft and is 100% compatable with the general tax and accounting packages off the shelf or from a reputable vendor.
I never said you don't have options and I'm not complaining. My first comment is explicitly this
"Name a tier 1 Computer assembler/maker that doesn't pay a microsoft tax."
Apple and Sun came to mind.
Then name the Tier1 business applications that are available on those platforms.
You can't which fall into my 3rd comment
"In addition to that, what software company (Like Great Plains, People Soft, SAS) is going to distribute programming resources writing for other OS's that didn't have the 'exclusive' manufacturer tax."
I haven't dealt with SAS in over a couple of years and it looks like that they do a linux port now. Last I checked, MAS90 or MAS200 isn't available for Linux.
Again, the comments are hashed over the validity of a Microsoft monopoly on the desktop NOT if one could purchase a computer without Microsoft Windows installed.
The point of the discussion is hash out the validity of the Microsoft monopoly over the desktop, not that you could get a computer without Microsoft Windows installed and not pay anything to Microsoft.
Of course you can find a local shop that will build you a personal computer for you to your specs and without installing Microsoft windows or paying a fee to Microsoft.
The Microsoft 'Tax' comes from an agreement that Microsoft made with computer sellers/assemblers/manufacturers.
When BEOS was a threat for the home market - it was inexpensive, had multimedia and games out of the box and worked, Microsoft saw fit to disallow any manufacturers to sell their(MS) product if the manufacturers also sold units with the competition installed.
In addition to that, if a manufacturer were to sell units with a competing OS installed, they would have to pay a fine to Microsoft in order to continue to sell Microsoft Windows pre-installed.
The vendors not wanting to be locked in fought this until MS forced BEOS to give up due to lack of cash spent on frivilous lawsuits.
Microsoft current agreement is for the Tier 1 manufacturers (computers sellers that sell in the millions) to pay Microsoft their fee for licensing based upon the number of units sold, NOT the number of units sold with Windows pre-installed.
You can always get an OEM license from a local shop waived because Microsoft doesn't care about the shop that sells units in the hundreds or thousands.
Dell pays the MS tax hence you can't get a Linux system from them without them paying the tax.
Name a Tier1 computer assembler/maker(Intel Architechture implied) that also sells Microsoft Windows that doesn't pay the tax for EVERY machine out the door.
They[Tier1] don't exist - except for the local computer shop[not Tier1] that sells the OEM licenses.
Where is the BEOS version? Mac Classic?
I understand that now Linux is starting to become a player for the desktop and the topic is wether or not Microsoft still is a monopoly.
Well, you still can't get the above listed applications TODAY for any other Operating System (OK, SAS counts) due to the so called manufacturer 'tax' or displacment of resources that software publishing houses need convincing of.
I'll never consider Microsoft to play fair (and why should they) as long as their Windows Media Player - which they are fighing tooth and nail for it to become THE distribution standard with content providers - is not exatcly 100% equal with the Windows to Mac version, and the lack of a media player for Linux which they did have one for Mediaplayer 6.4.
Name a tier 1 Computer assembler/maker that doesn't pay a microsoft tax.
Last I heard, you still can't get a Dell desktop without windows and NOT pay the microsoft tax that is built into the price.
In addition to that, what software company (Like Great Plains, People Soft, SAS) is going to distribute programming resources writing for other OS's that didn't have the 'exclusive' manufacturer tax.