Monopoly$oft apologists continue attempt to make a virtue of Windoze 2008's bloat or attempt to ignore it, as they always did.
Meanwhile the PC market has matured and buyers these day's are looking critically at just why they should keep throwing away hardware just to keep up with fashion. People want more RAM for desktop video editing etc not simply to boot the goddam OS and they know it. Whether the shills like it or not, buyers are questioning previous behavior. Just look at the accelerating uptake of Linux world wide.
Gentoo is just Linux.
It's not the Messiah it's just a naught Distro!
Gentoo is just From Scratch (LFS) plus a buggy incomplete package manager.
Many distro's feature compile from source.
Many distro's feature a package manager.
Gentoo has a nice logo...
If learning the arcana of Linux is truly necessary for you why not just go to
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ ?
" Gentoo installation is easy and let's me feel (correctly or not) that I'm in control. "
You are kidding yourself.
When you get home from school today, ponder whether your grand children will care...
The brightest & most productive people on the planet do not hand assemble their fax machines any more that they hand install an OS.
Did you read this (below). It is not just sarcastic, it is pretty much accurate.
"Gentoo makes me so much more productive."
"Although I can't use the box at the moment because it's compiling something, as it will be for the next five days, it gives me more time to check out the latest USE flags and potentially unstable optimisation settings."
"Gentoo is more in the spirit of open source!"
"Apart from Hello World in Pascal at school, I've never written a single program in my life or contributed to an open source project, yet staring at endless streams of GCC output whizzing by somehow helps me contribute to international freedom."
"I use Gentoo because it's more like the BSDs."
"Last month I tried to install FreeBSD on a well-supported machine, but the text-based installer scared me off. I've never used a BSD, but the guys on Slashdot say that it's l33t though, so surely I must be for using Gentoo."
"Heh, my system is soooo much faster after installing Gentoo."
"I've spent hours recompiling Fetchmail, X-Chat, gEdit and thousands of other programs which spend 99% of their time waiting for user input. Even though only the kernel and glibc make a significant difference with optimisations, and RPMs and.debs can be rebuilt with a handful of commands (AND Red Hat supplies i686 kernel and glibc packages), my box MUST be faster. It's nothing to do with the fact that I've disabled all startup services and I'm running BlackBox instead of GNOME or KDE."
"...my Gentoo Linux workstation..."
"...my overclocked AMD eMachines box from PC World, and apart from the third-grade made-to-break components and dodgy fan..."
"You Red Hat guys must get sick of dependency hell..."
"I'm too stupid to understand that circular dependencies can be resolved by specifying BOTH.rpms together on the command line, and that problems hardly ever occur if one uses proper Red Hat packages instead of mixing SuSE, Mandrake and Joe's Linux packages together (which the system wasn't designed for)."
"All the other distros are soooo out of date."
"Constantly upgrading to the latest bleeding-edge untested software makes me more productive. Never mind the extensive testing and patching that Debian and Red Hat perform on their packages; I've just emerged the latest GNOME beta snapshot and compiled with -O9 -fomit-instructions, and it only crashes once every few hours."
"Let's face it, Gentoo is the future."
"OK, so no serious business is going to even consider Gentoo in the near future, and even with proper support and QA in place, it'll still eat up far too much of a company's valuable time. But this guy I met on #animepr0n is now using it, so it must be growing!"
" "Although I can't use the box at the moment because it's compiling something, as it will be for the next five days"
I keep hearing this...but, have never really run into the problem. "
Liar
Thank you so much for this poke in the eye to Gentoo Zealots.
Way to many new users get a horrible first impression of Linux by being sadistically pointed to things like Gentoo or Slack by retard l33t teenagers with big mouths.
" to be fair, GNOME started 8 months after KDE. that's less than 10% time difference put into each by now, and growing less with every passing day. "
Hey I was'nt aware the time diff was so small!
In that case Gnome folks need to get a move on!
Thanks for the info
C'Ya
" And when is the last time you saw a BSOD on XP? "
Just prior to replacing it with Linux actualy... six months ago.
Despite Monopol$oft'sclaims I have personally found XP to be far more fragile than Linux.
I choose Redhat/Fedora Linux on my PC & Yellowdog Linux on my old clamshell iBook.
I agree.
Bear in mind Gnome started after KDE so it is tailing. I admire Gnome aims in general, using gnome is "Mac like", clean & simple but lacks functionality. KDE has been more Windoze-ish, less consistent but more functionality. And since I mention 'Doze I think you would agree that KDE is now way ahead of 'Doze in most respects.
Try Fedora - lots of thrid part supprt in english.
Better yet grab Mepis - run it as a CD based live distro or install to HDD in minutes. Both good choices. Before going Linux check your Hardware compatibility. (It is still the case that hardware vendors lazily only support Monopol$oft in the majority of cases but is steadily improving)
" I can imagine the shit in the pants of a neophyte who sees "kernel panic" on their screen. "
Uninformed FUD.
I have not seen a kernel panic on a Linux PC in many years. More often than not used to be caused by immature reverse engineered hardware drivers but has much improved now.
" Fedora is a bleeding edge development distro.
Give a try to Mandrake, you'll find that it generally installs on out of the box boxen, quicker, easier and with less intelligent input than Windows."
Uninformed FUD.
Mandrake is generally buggier than either Fedora or SuSE.
Get your facts straight.
Virus writers are just bored amateurs by and large.
The stuff they put out is so crap it barely works.
The only reason it is a threat is because of the attitude of Monopoly$oft & the fools who use their crap.
Ahh I feel better now...
"And the Rev. B "security" models will contain combat programs to rid your business of unwanted Time Lords, just like real Daleks... Exterminate! Exterminate! [prezzybox.com]"
You know my grandmother goes shopping to the mall in something like this!
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Monopoly$oft apologists continue attempt to make a virtue of Windoze 2008's bloat or attempt to ignore it, as they always did. Meanwhile the PC market has matured and buyers these day's are looking critically at just why they should keep throwing away hardware just to keep up with fashion. People want more RAM for desktop video editing etc not simply to boot the goddam OS and they know it. Whether the shills like it or not, buyers are questioning previous behavior. Just look at the accelerating uptake of Linux world wide.
and good fucking riddance!
Gentoo is just Linux. It's not the Messiah it's just a naught Distro! Gentoo is just From Scratch (LFS) plus a buggy incomplete package manager. Many distro's feature compile from source. Many distro's feature a package manager. Gentoo has a nice logo... If learning the arcana of Linux is truly necessary for you why not just go to http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ ?
" Gentoo installation is easy and let's me feel (correctly or not) that I'm in control. " You are kidding yourself. When you get home from school today, ponder whether your grand children will care... The brightest & most productive people on the planet do not hand assemble their fax machines any more that they hand install an OS.
Did you read this (below). It is not just sarcastic, it is pretty much accurate. "Gentoo makes me so much more productive." "Although I can't use the box at the moment because it's compiling something, as it will be for the next five days, it gives me more time to check out the latest USE flags and potentially unstable optimisation settings." "Gentoo is more in the spirit of open source!" "Apart from Hello World in Pascal at school, I've never written a single program in my life or contributed to an open source project, yet staring at endless streams of GCC output whizzing by somehow helps me contribute to international freedom." "I use Gentoo because it's more like the BSDs." "Last month I tried to install FreeBSD on a well-supported machine, but the text-based installer scared me off. I've never used a BSD, but the guys on Slashdot say that it's l33t though, so surely I must be for using Gentoo." "Heh, my system is soooo much faster after installing Gentoo." "I've spent hours recompiling Fetchmail, X-Chat, gEdit and thousands of other programs which spend 99% of their time waiting for user input. Even though only the kernel and glibc make a significant difference with optimisations, and RPMs and .debs can be rebuilt with a handful of commands (AND Red Hat supplies i686 kernel and glibc packages), my box MUST be faster. It's nothing to do with the fact that I've disabled all startup services and I'm running BlackBox instead of GNOME or KDE."
"...my Gentoo Linux workstation..."
"...my overclocked AMD eMachines box from PC World, and apart from the third-grade made-to-break components and dodgy fan..."
"You Red Hat guys must get sick of dependency hell..."
"I'm too stupid to understand that circular dependencies can be resolved by specifying BOTH .rpms together on the command line, and that problems hardly ever occur if one uses proper Red Hat packages instead of mixing SuSE, Mandrake and Joe's Linux packages together (which the system wasn't designed for)."
"All the other distros are soooo out of date."
"Constantly upgrading to the latest bleeding-edge untested software makes me more productive. Never mind the extensive testing and patching that Debian and Red Hat perform on their packages; I've just emerged the latest GNOME beta snapshot and compiled with -O9 -fomit-instructions, and it only crashes once every few hours."
"Let's face it, Gentoo is the future."
"OK, so no serious business is going to even consider Gentoo in the near future, and even with proper support and QA in place, it'll still eat up far too much of a company's valuable time. But this guy I met on #animepr0n is now using it, so it must be growing!"
" "Although I can't use the box at the moment because it's compiling something, as it will be for the next five days" I keep hearing this...but, have never really run into the problem. " Liar
Thank you so much for this poke in the eye to Gentoo Zealots. Way to many new users get a horrible first impression of Linux by being sadistically pointed to things like Gentoo or Slack by retard l33t teenagers with big mouths.
" to be fair, GNOME started 8 months after KDE. that's less than 10% time difference put into each by now, and growing less with every passing day. " Hey I was'nt aware the time diff was so small! In that case Gnome folks need to get a move on! Thanks for the info C'Ya
" And when is the last time you saw a BSOD on XP? " Just prior to replacing it with Linux actualy... six months ago. Despite Monopol$oft'sclaims I have personally found XP to be far more fragile than Linux. I choose Redhat/Fedora Linux on my PC & Yellowdog Linux on my old clamshell iBook.
I agree. Bear in mind Gnome started after KDE so it is tailing. I admire Gnome aims in general, using gnome is "Mac like", clean & simple but lacks functionality. KDE has been more Windoze-ish, less consistent but more functionality. And since I mention 'Doze I think you would agree that KDE is now way ahead of 'Doze in most respects.
Telling a newbie to start with slack is just plain sadistic.
Try Fedora - lots of thrid part supprt in english. Better yet grab Mepis - run it as a CD based live distro or install to HDD in minutes. Both good choices. Before going Linux check your Hardware compatibility. (It is still the case that hardware vendors lazily only support Monopol$oft in the majority of cases but is steadily improving)
" I can imagine the shit in the pants of a neophyte who sees "kernel panic" on their screen. " Uninformed FUD. I have not seen a kernel panic on a Linux PC in many years. More often than not used to be caused by immature reverse engineered hardware drivers but has much improved now.
" Fedora is a bleeding edge development distro. Give a try to Mandrake, you'll find that it generally installs on out of the box boxen, quicker, easier and with less intelligent input than Windows." Uninformed FUD. Mandrake is generally buggier than either Fedora or SuSE. Get your facts straight.
They're going to arm hundreds of nations with thousands of ICBM's ! I just had this flashback to Dr.Stranglove...
No matter how much of this Monopoly$oft indulges in they will not prevail in the long run.
This is really stale for any one who has even nodding aquaintance with this.
Virus writers are just bored amateurs by and large. The stuff they put out is so crap it barely works. The only reason it is a threat is because of the attitude of Monopoly$oft & the fools who use their crap. Ahh I feel better now...
"And the Rev. B "security" models will contain combat programs to rid your business of unwanted Time Lords, just like real Daleks... Exterminate! Exterminate! [prezzybox.com]" You know my grandmother goes shopping to the mall in something like this!
Am I not the only one who immediately considers the harm these could be put to?
Scary to think of all that hardware flying around up there run by a dilbert culture!