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Defending Earth From Asteroids With MADMEN
jolomo writes "A partner of Atlanta-based NASA Institute of Advanced Concepts is working on a concept they call MADMEN (Modular Asteroid Deflection Mission Ejector Nodes), which would launch a distributed attack against large Earth-bound objects. Thousands of MADMEN could be built by many nations and when launched, each would land on the object, drill into its surface and remove enough material to change its course."
If you want to see this effect try this (a teacher told me about that 10 years ago):
on a day without wind go in a light boat with something like 300 pounds of rocks. Go in the middle of a lake and launch all the rocks in the same direction as far as possible. After a while you'll notice that the boat is moving slowly in the opposite direction (depending on the weight and speed of the launches).
Nice trick that makes lot of sense in vaccum, with hundreds of 'rock launchers' and continous launches over a very long time.
As we say in French, "toute action entraine une reaction".
Iraq: war to save the U
Obviously a project named after the inventors.
Who read that as Defending the Earth From MADMEN with Asteroids?
Why not, when our country is being guarded by a LUNATIC
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So... like... a DDOS against a chunk of rock? ... heh. Imagine a Beo... nevermind.
We'd install them as dictators in the middle east!
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We cannot let there be a astronautical mineshaft gap!
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Will someone please tell these companies to stop turning to local schools for names for their projects.
Couldn't they just use all the infected Windows boxes out there for this?
Huh? Wazzat? Oh, it's not a DDOS? err...sorry carry on.
So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds.
ya but who would take credit for saving the planet ?
:)..
remember we're petty..
look at all the news channels... "when such and such broke, channel 5 was there first.. we rock".
Believe in Jesus our saviour.. the MADMAN from Saudi was the one that caused the asteroid to alter course.. Allah saved us.. so confusing.. might lead to WW III
Sorry bored.. and having a bad humor day.. please don't take this post seriously.
NASA really has beaten Congress in the stupid name department.
EVERYDAY IS CATURDAY
On the off chance that aliens drop by for a visit, could we use the drones to try breaking their ships into little pieces too? After reading Mission Earth years ago I always thought we needed some sort of space-pointing defence system, just in case;)
Why, oh why, do they keep coming up with these silly "destory or deflect the asteroid" schemes? Such "inside the box" thinking.
When is someone going to focus on the important alternative: how about moving Earth out of the way instead?
John.
Intuitor had a great article about this awhile ago.
the Moon
Get cracking on making that acronym work.
I can see it now
Russia: We pushed left, why didn't it change course?
USA: Why didn't you check first? we pushed right!
You can help. NOW!
Just suppose we do. And some crazy (Earthling) madman dictatorship country decides to play along - you know, for the protection of all man kind. But, surprisingly, all of his "madmen" seem to be targetted for Washington DC.... Would that mean George W. would change course and all of a sudden become a democrat... or smart...?
would be more interesting to attach the MADMEN to earth and see if we can go somewhere. Where we are is getting boring...
"The next generation of interesting software will be made on a Macintosh, not an IBM PC." -Bill Gates
Um...how would we do that? Start taking chunks out of the Earth?
I don't want to be OT here, but if you ask me what is the greatest danger right now for the planet, I certainly would not answer "destruction by an asteroid".
OTOH, the various side-effects linked to e.g. heavy pollution (courtesy from all of us but mostly from some countries *cough* usa *cough*) are quite damaging right here, right now.
Would it be possible to try and use this tech to build some distributed devices to resolve our immediate problems before focusing on asteroids ??
Sorry for the rant...
Karma cannot be described by words alone.
Only in Atlanta would an idea like, "Shoot it a bunch of times and see if it goes away" would such a solution be born.
Magic Eight Ball: Outlook not so good., Hmmm, how about Excel and Word?
I can see it now: "Yes, we're about to launch a large number of missiles armed with powerful explosives. All nuclear powers please remain calm. This is only a test. No, really, none of these will malfunction and visit death and destruction on somebody we're having a disagreement with. Honest."
I disagree. If we let nuclear proliferation and environmental degradation continue, our atmosphere will a perfect shield against asteroids. Any potential asteroid threat will simply burn up in the radioactive waste that is our atmosphere.
I saw it in this Simpson's episode once! It's true!
Thousands of MADMEN could be built by many nations...
And yet, would be completely financed by the US.
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
Will the MADMEN be good enough to stop say.... The moon gets hit by an asteroid knocking it off course and towards the earth.
So, maybe I played too much pool as a kid.
Evolution or ID?
Yeah its not like Asteroids ever caused any mass extinctions in the past.. .. Oh wait, thats right, Dinosaurs.
..There's a-dooin's a-transpirin'
How would you get thousands of units all fire chunks of asteroids in the same direction if the asteroid is rotating? If you fire in all direction the net effect would be pretty much nil.
Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me
I fully support using world leaders as ammunition to deflect asteroids.
I, for one, welcome our new Madmen-flinging overlords.
Isn't this what Armageddon was all about?? Defending the earth from asteroids with mad men....
tim
My favorite approach that I've heard so far is to paint the asteroid while its still a long way out. You paint one half to absorb radiation and leave the other side alone. The idea is that after long enough the sun will push the asteroid off course.
What kind of goofy people come up with this stuff?
My second favorite is to put rocket engines on lots of little asteroids and crash them into the big asteroid coming for earth. Some lucky bastard would get paid to sit in his chair at NASA with a joystick and play asteroids.
Imagine the pressure!
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In fact, a good sized asteriod could clear up a lot of this country's problems in a snap!
Look out congresswhores! Mama needs a new box a' cooties, and she is mad!
Back in my day we didn't have these fancy MADMEN...we had to use our trusty old ship with it's cannon, sheilds and thrusters. Of course, it never was apparent *why* we were shooting at the asteroids...we just knew that it made the little number at the top go higher.
How many nations have put rockets (with significant payloads) successfully into orbit? Right, I can count them on one hand too. So where do the other 995+ nations come in and what makes us think that any rouge nation that can lauch a rocket into space has the ability to aim it, much less land it on the surface of the asteriod?
And finally, are we suggesting that we want thousands of nations to have the ability to launch rockets with payloads into outer space (or at least orbit)? I'm not being elitist here, but I think most of use agree that nuclear proliferation wasn't quite the boon we all thought it was going to be.
...and that's the way the cookie crumbles.
I mean, do you really feel safer?
and does it not have a harder time moving? i can see an infestation of these buggers a la robotic arms from lexx, but they'd all have to be attached to the same side of the asteroid and launch a LOT of material to overcome their own added mass. i can't see rock dust having a lot of intertia no matter how hard its flung.
That's interesting, why would they choose drones to "drill"?
I would think if all they wanted to do was change the course of the asteroid, they could send up some astronauts that they find in oil rigs and menial jobs, to drill under the surface and place a nuclear explosive, then fly back home.
Oh.... wait. Dammit!
In all seriousness though, wouldn't there be a cheaper, more reliable alternative? I believe an object in motion will stay in motion, and with inertia, say an asteroid was on a straight trajectory direct to earth, decreasing its mass wouldn't change its vector at all, would it?
I thought that the madmen, osama bin ladin, saddam hussein, and those members of alquida, alqudia or however you spell it. as named by G.W were there to create terror not defend the earth
what if the hokie pokie was what it was all about
Food for thought:
1) With such a system in place, would the United States be morally or legally bound to intervene if an asteroid was destined (for example) Cuba, or North Korea?
2) Can such as system also be used to DIVERT or even AIM such a projectile as a weapon?*
*(If it helps you sleep, you can answer this to yourself as "it saved millions of lives and cut short the war by several years". You know what I am talking about)
Posted AC, because I work for The Man sometimes.
Whats new about this? Its just an ordinary DDoS on an astroid...? ;-)
It's a shot in a million, but if it happens we're toast. I'd like to know that there's a backup plan.
Granted, most space-based weaponry capable of taking out an asteroid would also be pretty effective against ground targets, or other countries' ballistic missiles.
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How abouy "mad hatters"? "Man" is gender specific
You are correct. An asteroid impact is not very likley. If it occurs, however, the cost is very high. This research is only $75,000. Cheap insurance.
Why not use an Illudium Q36 Explosive Space Modulator?
Are you Corn Fed?
--Mike--
"Their study is purely a conceptual exercise. Like an architect's preliminary renderings of a new building, it will provide a few pretty pictures, a paper report and food for thought. If feasible, a defense of the planet would require decades to develop and cost tens of billions of dollars."
In short they are paying 75k for a group of people to sit around a brainstorm ideas.
Neat concept, call me when we are actually past the idea part of it.
I think that Carl Sagan made a very good point, saying that the chance of an astroid hitting earth is increased when one develops a technology to deflect astroids from their path, not decreased.
"I'm sorry but worrying about asteroids is downright silly. Instead of spending money on something as fanciful as this, it would be much better to spend our energies on real problems: enviromental degradation, nuclear proliferation and such.
We may as well worry about the boogyman as far as issues that are likely to affect us."
Flashback 65 million years ago to the the late cretaceous: I'm sorry but worrying about asteroids is downright silly. Instead of spending time on something as fanicful as this, it would be much better to spend out energies on real problems: dropping stegasaurus populations, longer teeth and such.
We may as well worry about another protozoan extinction as far as issues that are likely to affect us...
He who failes to plan is dogmeat. What happens if we do nothing and say five years from now we find an asteroid coming towards us to wipe us out? You'll probably be the first to bitch and moan "why didn't we do something when we had time?"
There's a growing sense that even if The Future comes,
most of us won't be able to afford it.
-- Lemmy
Does NASA (or any other US gov thing) have a special department that think up cool acronyms?
Yes, several times in the past 4+ billion years asteroids have impacted our planet. However, the odds of one occuring anytime in the near future are absurdly small. I'd rather spend my time worrying about things that are more likely to kill me than this.
C - A language that combines the speed of assembly with the ease of use of assembly.
It's worth considering that a monoculture of these space guardians might be a bad thing in terms of reliabilty, and weigh that against the costs of implementing multiple designs.
--Mike--
The research may only be $75,000. Building something like this is a different matter. Can anyone say 5% of American Defence budget? Whats worse is it does nothing but give a slight piece of mind. Its like buying SCO licences, they may do nothing at all but someone somewhere will gain sone peace of mind from it.
Asteroid (meteor?) strikes are more common than you'ld think; just in 1908 what was probably a comet struck Siberia with the force of a good-sized atom bomb and leveled 1200 square miles of forest. Had an inhabited area been struck, destruction would have been massive.
Our best estimates seem to be this this is likely to happen every few hundred years; given that such an event might kill millions, it seems worth a minimal effort to take out a bit of insurance, and at least as sensible as banning GMOs.
How about a whole bunch of countries? A: We're just testing. Be cool.
B: We are cool. Are you cool?
C: He's cool. But why are you pointing that at us?
B: Pointing what at who?
D: KILL THE INFIDELS!!!!
Six hours later, asteroid hits Earth, everyone dies.
I haven't seen the movie on this yet, so I'm unable to comment one way or another.
Even the makers know how stupid this is, and that they are just waisting government money for no reason.
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...now the Walking Corpse John Kerry is a different matter. His only talent is being a gold-digger marrying rich women
No-one is going to spend billions of dollars up front on a device that would protect us in the unlikely event of an impending asteroid collision. I'd recommend anyone wanting to do conceptual design to solve this problem assume that *no* precautions have been taken in advance, the asteroid has been discovered by an amateur astronomer about as late as you might expect... but that, in the remaining few weeks, the budget with which to build and launch their rescue plan is a few trillion dollars.
Xenu loves you!
Just post a link to the asteroid on /.
That's "Mr. Soulless Automaton" to you, Bub.
Monsterous Asteroid Wiffle Ball Initiative?
Yes! Let's give the earth a propulsion system, and after that we won't need no stinkin spacecraft. Solves all the supply problems too!
"you'ld think; just in 1908 what was probably a comet"
That was almost a million hours ago. That is a lot of time in between strikes.
Evolution or ID?
"[They] probably got a room full of guys right now, just sittin' around thinkin' shit up." - Bruce Willis, Armegeddon
...and that's the way the cookie crumbles.
But, can't they find one that spells BRUCEWILLISWITHNUKES ?
Table-ized A.I.
Wouldn't it be esasier to build a large rail gun on the moon that could shoot projectiles into the asteroid instead? This would save the trouble of having to deal with the problems with what would be the equivilant of thousands of Mars landers.
when a country song is written about not only loosing the girl, house, truck and dog but the whole damn planet.
Evolution or ID?
boondoggle? fanciful? given that the earth has _never_ been hit by asteroids, right?
the threat is real even though the chance of you personally being wiped out by falling rocks on any given day is pretty low. i have fire insurance even though i don't know anyone who's house has burned down, have never personally seen one burn down. am i being fanciful? is my insurance policy a boondoggle?
nuke proliferation... why worry about that? worry instead about the crazy fochers who already have thousands of them and are building defenses against retaliation
What scares you guys the most. Meteors or nukes in space? The whole story reminds me a little too much of Iraqs missing weapons of mass destruction.
It's simplicity.
Reling on numbers and not in raw power as some projects to explode a nuclear device close to the object makes this solution very interesting.
Lots of cheap(?) devices. If some of them breaks, there's a lot more to carry on.
Scientia est Potentia
I can imagine the uproar by every earth friendly freak out there. Lets have hundreds of nuclear powered machines all over the planet. What if one malfunctions? Would it not create a dirty bomb? Being that the ammount of nuclear energy would be to o small to create a massive blast. If you are using nuclear power for energy, can it just be stored dormant??
"Cowardice in a race, as in an individual, is the unpardonable sin." --Teddy Roosevelt
Hey that wasn't in the movies!
Maybe we can get a Hyperspace Window Generator and fly the rock through earth!!!
Tsukasa: All I really want, is to be left alone...
Is it me or does this sound like these scientists have been playing Missile Command on KnoppixMAME? What do we do about little green men? Defender?
"We are accountable for not only what we do, but also that which we don't do." -- Moliere
No, wait, that's what the RNC is calling this year's election campaign.
Aren't a LOT of nations already producing thousands of mad men already? Do we really need any more?
Still though, this would make a great plot device for a James Bond movie.
I'm not tense. I'm just terribly, terribly, alert.
Hey, goddist filth!
The only thing you're supposed to do when a heavenly object is about to obliterate you is to pray. PRAY!
What?
Don't you believe in the tennets of your fairy tales? You're supposed to welcome the end of all the unbelievers with the faith and understanding that only the devout will make it to paradise. You're devout and you will be saved.
Riiiight?
That asteroid is nothing short of the HAND OF THE ALMIGHTY/STARK FIST OF REMOVAL.
You should accept it willingly, lovingingly. Even before it becomes a visible-eye object there should be enough songs and stories about it that the armies of the anointed will leave no dry-earth unshadowed as the seas surge and the sky darkens with its approach.
This whole "playing god" thing will just interfere with the destiny issue.
What happens when humanity does avert a disaster which is supposed to render all human life null-o-void-o?!
Why, would anyone want to interfere with that!?
Virgins for everyone?
Constant bliss that makes orgasm seem like a hangnail?
If anything you'd think humanity would just use a laser to sky-write
"SO LONG AND THANKS FOR THE TEMPTATION" moments before impact.
My guess is, a Sky-writing laser is much less expensive than a bunch of godless toys. Whoops, there goes my common sense again...if there's a buck to be made the more expensive option will be selected.
Stupid meat monkeys, you were put here to suffer, to suffer tempation and vice, shucks, you're all tainted...ahahahah! I've got your original sin RIGHT HERE and I'm wearing a fashionable red bow on it.
Every new form of media has it's own Requirimento
...a rocket.
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Its like buying SCO licences, they may do nothing at all but someone somewhere will gain some peace of mind from it.
Daryl? Is that you?
Consider instead a high power microwave source ionizing the mass that would have previously been cut into golf ball pieces, then using a particle accelerator instead of a mass driver. If the ion temperature is kept high enough, you'll only have pure ions to deal with, nice and conductive, and easier to control. You can then ship them out along the thrust vector of your choice, without the headaches of mechanical processing of materials.
Electrohydrodynamic accelleration of mass can be studied in labs on the ground, thus reducing R&D costs. It also offers the advantage of being throttled to any desired rate. In the hard vacuum of space, it should be feasible to keep the ions from contacting, and thus eroding the accelerator.
The mass will eventually condense back to solid matter, but will be quite dispersed by the time that happens, thus creating dust, instead of solid projectiles.
--Mike--
MADMEN diverts a disaster by knocking an asteroid off course.
2 years later, Aliens invade because we "attacked" their home planet with an asteroid.
That's a way to initiate first contact!
Honestly, I'd rather be incenerated by an asteroid collision than be dissected by thousands of Alien Hordes angry because we threw rocks at them.
I want to be a mad man.. comeon.. vote for me..
Jeoin
Maybe I've watched too many movies, but if an asteroid were on direct path to hit the Earth and would likely cause the extinction of mankind, do you think the government(s) would let us know about it before they took a crack at pushing it off course? Or do you think due to civil unrest that they would wait until the problem was solved to tell everyone?
Perhaps the scientific community would let it out first.
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
Thousands of MADMEN could be built by many nations and when launched
We couldn't even cooperate on the International Space Station (still not done). How would many nations work together on a defense system?
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Scenarios to be considered include the threat of a 360-foot-wide asteroid destined to hit Europe, a comet aimed at the Mississippi Valley and a small asteroid headed for the Pacific Ocean 200 miles off the California coast.
No scenario about Asia and Africa? Weird, last time I checked most of the population of the World was in Asia. It would make sense to at least think about it...
Iraq: war to save the U
Whats worse is it does nothing but give a slight piece of mind.
It's not about piece of mind, it's about the survival of our species. Besides, I'd rather that 5% of the DOD's money go to stopping asteroids then be spent on tanks.
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There is someone here on slashdot that has a sig that sums it up
"The moon is covered with astronomical odds".
Nobody wants nuclear proliferation and global degradation (other than GWB). However at the same time, it'll all be mute if suddenly an astronomer goes "Oh Shit, were gonna get slammed with a texas sized rock in 10 years" and we have no plan in place to deal with it. The problem is that nobody will take this kind of threat seriously until our feet are in the fire...
I'm of the mind set that we should ensure humanities survival by sprending ourselves out and working towards colonizing other planets and working on longterm off earth space colonies. Part of that strategy would be that every offworld establishment would have a complete copy of the earths data (world history / theorethical / medical / scientific / mechanical / etc) Basically, everything you'd need to build anything and the knowlege stored so it could be taught.
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
Has any time been spent calculating the odds of a killer maniac (or group thereof) wiping out all life on Earth?
As an rough estimate, with the Doomsday Clock as a reference, I humbly propose that the odds of a maniac killing us all are massively higher than the rogue asteroid issue.
Maybe we should be putting available cash towards world peace as a slightly higher priority.
Ever consider that the dinosaurs might still rule the Earth if they had MADMEN?
Anything even remotely on the scale of another Alvarez event will make any of those "real problems" seem trivial by comparison...
Besides, the Earth has been hit many times in it's history, ample evidence exists. The moon and our other neighbours in the inner system all show evidence of repeated strikes from comets/meteors through their history. The number of nuclear weapons detonated through the last 60 years doesn't even come close to being significant in view of the number of strikes the Earth has taken from other celestial bodies.
Bottom line, it's a fact that we've been struck before, and it is a statistical certainty that we will be struck again. Ever seen shooting stars? How often do those small items come to Earth? pretty common event really. Consider the damage that man made items not even a billionth of the mass of a medium sized asteroid have caused coming down...
I'm not marginalizing the other issues you bring up. Environmental degradation and nuclear proliferation are issues which demand our attention, but they aren't justification to marginalize this issue. Nor would an increase in our presence and utilization of space have anything but a positive effect on those issues.
Moving polluting industries to space is the single best way of keeping those polluting industries that our society depends on, while minimizing the environment they can damage. Proliferation of nuclear weapons is less tangible, but still a positive effect. If you are an emerging nation, which is going to be a bigger return for you on the world stage, possessing nuclear weapons or being part of the exploitation of space? Nuclear weapons may intimidate your neighbours, but have never positively impacted any society's material prosperity. Further, history bears out that those nations which partake in colonization outstrip their contemporaries which do not, and in pretty short order. So if the choice is colonize space, and reap the awards, or garner nuclear weapons, and reap some unproductive holes in the ground...
"Talk minus action equals nothing" - Joey Shithead, D.O.A.
"Talk minus action equals
Any Bruce Willis-type project is going to increases our chances of surviving a collision course, but also gives rogue individuals the ability to deflect asteroids towards the Earth. E.g. in year 2120 a President beseiged by oil shortage protests needs a diversion, and fast! Conveniently enough, a huge lump of pumice is screaming past the Earth:
"It is my sad duty to inform you that Pumona is on a >clickety clickety< collision course with the Earth.
Whoosh! Bang in the vacuum.
"Sadly, despite our best efforts, our guardian MADMEN could not change the course of Pumona. >flip flip flip< Someone used imperial measurements instead of metric.
Seriously folks, instead of blowing the asteroid up, couldn't it be sent off course in one piece by a series of atomic explosions a la Orion project?
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And everyone else who benefits for free from those same actions will continue to hate us.
I thought he was a Miserable Failure
I can't believe people would be as short sighted as to say 'the chances are so slim' blah blah blah.
If you had RTFA, they address those odds pretty well. The odds of getting another Tunguska sized impact are roughly 1 per 1000 years. That's an *average* people. To break it down, it could theoretically happen tomorrow. Further, if you had RTFA, you would note that an object of roughly the same size as the estimated Tunguska object (150 meters across) which was first discovered this year just passed within 3.8 million miles of our planet. That's roughly 16 times (two bytes) the distance from us to the moon....or pretty damn close.
These are ideas. If they sit around and come up with 1000 bad ideas for every good one, I still don't care. That one good idea might save my ass...or my family's collective ass.
There's always people who won't believe it can happen to them, though. Look at all the folks who insisted that, because of the SF quake in 1906, that they would be safe 'for their lifetime' since it couldn't happen again. Whoops. Tell that to the folks smashed in their cars when the elevated roadway collapsed. Or, 'Well, we know Mt. St. Helens is a Volcano, but it hasn't erupted since we've been keeping track...so it'll be safe as long as I'm alive.' Tell that to those folks who chose to stay and whose bodies will never be found underneath 100's of feet of mud.
Hell, the odds of being struck by lightning are VERY slim...but plenty of research goes into preventing that, and no one complains. The odds of being shot and killed are miniscule...but look how much money we spend on prevention. But as soon as you begin researching something that could, quite literally, kill millions of people in an instant, you're branded a 'waste of time and money'.
Tell you what. Give me back the taxes I spent that went to teaching your children, and I'll gladly redirect them to fund this type of research.
Only a toon could cook up that lame brain idea.
And the name of it, geez. It's like something out of a bad sci-fi story.
Not that it wouldn't work, mind, I'm just sayin'...
Every country would have to build belching robots, but without Bender, it just wouldn't work.
US: Everybody get ready to fire at the asteroids!
The rest of the world: Everybody get ready to fire at the US!
So when these launch do they play Aresomith?
I heard the first name was
Colliding 'Roid Assembly - Zero Fault Unitarian Kill System
a.k.a. CRA-ZFUKS
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I'm not sure why they continue to waste money researching ways to avoid asteroids; I know for a fact that it's actually MUCH better to get a rag-tag band of oil drillers and send them up to the asteroid and have them manually set off a nuclear bomb to deflect the asteroid.
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Jeez. And you think people would know better already
(deep movie voice)"We sent them into orbit to protect us from asteroids..."
..."
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(movie clip)"Really Sir, it is the only way. The scientists at NASA have it all figured out. They have developed this new A.I.
(deep movie voice)"Then they chose their own survivial over ours..."
(movie clip)Thousands of burrowing devices plunging into the earth. Paris is destroyed
Why can't I get a job thinking up this crap?
He who confuses his religion with his science knows neither.
Actually, I have reason to believe it was the spaceship my Ex-girlfriend's family came in on. It's the only explanation I can come up with atleast...
i think this was in a movie once
It is almost inevitable that any incoming rock will be rotating on all 3 axes. To move it efficiently would require these beasties being smart enough to know when to throw their rock. That's doable.
But how often will one of these things be in the right place at the right time? You would need hundreds if not thousands sitting and digging and waiting their turn.
How much will these things weigh? With a nuke generator, and drilling and launching equipment to handle a pound of rock at a time over and over, say 1000 pounds max.
If that thing isn't going to get the chance to launch 1000 one pound chuncks of rock, due to not being pointed in the right direction often enough, you'd do better to slam the things into the rock to try to move it.
I think the best idea yet is building a bunch of large engines and fuel tanks, going out and capturing some rocks, herding them into stable orbit at L-4, and strap on the engines. If they're ever needed they can easily fall out of L-4, slingshot around the moon, and head out towards the incoming. A properly placed kinetic swat will send it off into a safe orbit whether or not it breaks up.
"I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -- Bishop 341-B
Now we can get rid of that freakin moon that hogs all the good sky. ;)
Are they really going to launch Howard Dean up there?
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
The 300 pound rock is attached to a chain and the dude is also bringing a baseball bat.
Let's let the asteroid hit. Then we'll get to make $TRILLION$ cleaning up the destruction.
:)
Look at it this way, we're consumers, right? We consume. So when things die off or get destroyed there will be plenty of new jobs for the rest of us to live blissful happy lives consuming away without a care in the world.
Just hope it doesn't land on us.
*bliss*
Ever consider that the dinosaurs might still rule the Earth if they had MADMEN?
No! Surely they would had MAD-DINO system.
Three Squirrels
BETTER YET, why don't we put a giant 'laser' on the Moon ?
that way, GWB could get his Moon Base! AYMoonBABTU!
as this is a fusion of two well documented projects I propose to change the name from MADMAN to EVILMAN or maybe DR. EVILDOER.
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Sounds about how we defend the Earth from Peace.
So if they could be used to move objects away from earth .. couldn't they move objects towards earth?
... Madmen" Wolf
-Munch "and thus the name
"Attention, this is Principal Skinner, your principal, with a message from the Principal's Office. All students please proceed immediately to an assembly in the Butthead Memorial Auditorium.
Dammit, I wish we hadn't let the students name that one."
(Consider the distance Earth/Moon; to hit the Moon would be increadibly hard. I'm not going to discuss how little a simple asteroid is deflecting a friggin' moon!)
Besides, the plan is booring.
Much less aesthetical then using lots of cool nukes.
Also, we could send Mel Gibson to handhold the nukes, "Doctor Strangelove"-style! (Only thing better would be a "Braveheart" end...)
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This is the law of action and reaction at work: ,
When you fire a bullet, a certain force is required to launch that bullet.
This force can be represented by a vector, with a certain length, and heading.
In complex notation it could be 500 mark 90
The law of action/reaction says that for every vector 500 mark 90 there will be a vector 500 mark 270
and it is that vector that moves your boat or whatever.
yes -- we call that Newton's Law -- for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Unfortunately, deflecting asteroids is likely to be both easier and cheaper than world peace. Rocketry and space travel are things we know how to do, so all we need is to be able to do them a little better. Not only do we have no idea how to create world peace (what do we emulate, the Roman Empire?), we have no guarantee that a world without wars between nations would be any safer from evil governments or terrorists within those nations.
You sound like the "scientists invent X; still no cure for cancer" jokes on Fark, except it seems like you're serious.
The asteroids need to see this video. That'll make them think twice before landing on us.
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The hard part about working with MADMEN is making sure they stay on your side when they get to the asteroid...
All the members of the nuclear club increased the size of their nuclear arsenals without regard to their treaty obligations. And the USA won. The USA is the pre-eminent super-power now because it won the Arms Race. It wouldn't be the pre-eminent super-power if the smart bombs were not backed up by a nuclear arsenal. It wouldn't be the pre-eminent super-power if the B2 wasn't backed up by a nuclear arsenal.
Oh yeah, there was another clause in the non-proliferation treaty. Part of the Quid Pro Quo was that the nations with Nuclear power were supposed to make sure the nations without Nuclear power shared in the benefits of Nuclear Power. We haven't see much of that happening, have we?
As far as I can tell, there are thousands of MADMEN already running rampant in many nations OURS INCLUDED.
I want to use lasers to defend the Earth From asteroids
lose != loose
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(It's still far away, but coming fast.)
Look, it's this simple: Asteroids ROTATE, in wildly different ways and have a miniscule amount of local gravity.
How on earth is your loauncher supposed to touch down, let alone anchor itself? Then, if that can be achieved, how does it know which direction and when to chuck a load? Unless ALL units are completely sorted out, randonly chucking stuff off a rock is a waste of time - the combined effects will cancel eacg other out.
Look, this isn't rock(et) science - this is Laser Science. :P
The best and ONLY viable way to divert asteroids is to hit them with light pressure. Nuclear bombs and rock-chucking bots are the legacy thinking from military minds, and not logical thinking.
Here's how to divert a rock:
Launch a 500 Megawatt Nuclear reactor into orbit, and attach it to a giant "Laser Beam". Use a high power ION drive to get the system into a position where it leads the asteroid by a few thousand klicks. It then positions itself such that it can place 500 Megawatts of laser power onto the surface of the asteroid, pushing in one direction only.
It sits there for a few years pushing on the asteroid, while using the ION engine to hold it's position (Newton says action = reaction!). We send several missions to refuel the ION engines and tend the reactor.
You only need to adjust an asteroids speed by 2 cm/s to effectively make it miss the Earth - and we'd want even less than that, because we'd want to actually snatch the thing into a highly elliptical Earth Orbit. Say 2,000,000 x 450 Kilometres.
Then we'd not only save the Earth, but snag a trillion tons of raw materials which can gradually be mined and used by the burgeoning space manufacturing and orbital processing facilities which will bound to develop if that much "free" material is just sitting there asking to be used.
Alternatively, and arguably easier is to use Gigawatt class lasers (which perform multiple duties: launching payloads into LEO, illuminating search and rescue efforts at night, light battlefields, accelerate interstellar probesm send data into the cosmos, a Ballistic Missile defence syste, providing light in the Luna night, satelite killer, surgical strike weapon par-excellence, space junk de-orbiter and asteroid diverter!) based on Earth to deflect incoming NEOs.
Earth based is preferable because it's cheaper and has many other uses. Plus, you can build 50+ Gigawatt class lasers and combine the power which would deflect objects the sizes of Ceres.
1x Gigawatt is the power required to launch a 1 metre diameter, 1 ton payload into Low Earth Orbit. Check out http://www.lightcrafttechnologies.com/ This from Liek Mayabo the CEO.
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send only a MADWOMAN? the asteroids will be in serious troubles after 11pm!
Can we sue them for insurance fraud if the system fails to protect us?
I like it here in my little dungeon cubicle with my computers and my coffee. I don't WANT to go to an asteroid!!!
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They're going to arm hundreds of nations with thousands of ICBM's ! I just had this flashback to Dr.Stranglove...
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Keep the earth still, but move the universe around it.
Even if it starts turning around and coming back before they meet (probably a better plan), it seems like a lot of time is lost going out and trying to meet the rock. And of course, it couldn't be mechanized; you'd have to send out a large crew on what would probably be a suicide mission. Look what a dicey thing it is just to get a lander working at a location as close as Mars (which is quite close by comparison).
Also, what if the thing wasn't really heading right at Earth (but would've missed by a few thousand miles) and our clever efforts accidentally point it dead-on? Would a subsequent congressional inquiry be called for?
Asteroids is so unfufilling compared with taking a fantasy draft team through a season, making your own plays and beating a friend on Madden 2004.
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I like the idea of a mass ejectors like the next guy but seriously think about the economics. I got a alternate to sending up minivan sized probes capable of drilling, mining, pelletizing and ejecting. Just send up a small* army of solar or nuclear powered ion engines that attach to the surface and eject comet dust at a programable vector. Ion thrusters should be taken seriously. The main advantage over mass ejectors is simplicity. Take a thin wire and tin foil add high voltage, save planet. Think ionic breeze. So instead of billions of dollars for a couple thousand half ton probes think millions of dollars for billions of 2 ounce ion thrusters(including fuel for the trip). Now those developing countries that are still in the developing stages of a space program can really help out. 'Here guys can you send up a lot of little rockets for us and if you happen to blow up a rocket or 2 np, we made a bunch.' And seriously if I see one post replying to this saying something to the regards of,"oh yeah send tin foil at a rock, that'd work" from someone without at least a basic understanding of physics so help me......
* ok not really small, more like 1000-100000 or more depending on requirements.
I don't have the answer to this. Scenarios I consider: 1. An asteroid whose path through space is essentially tangent to the Earth's orbit, and is coming head on. How many days warning might we have? How could we get anything to it an appreciable distance from Earth? 2. An Asteroid whose path is perpendicular to the plane of Earth's orbit. Same questions. In either of these two scenarios, unless you could get a year or more's worth of warning you could never position a defender. Accelerating to high speed to get into position kinda prevents landing on one of these bodies- you'd have to decelerate, then reverse direction and accelerate up to the body's speed. Even worse, you're coming from a bad angle - if the body is going to hit you in three months, you have to launch a defender to essentially where the earth will be in three months - that's a lot of distance. Given a few minutes with google, you could work out the distance the defender would have to cover (thus it's speed), and the acceleration it would have to accomplish to match it's speed and path to that of the incoming asteroid. Seems to me the only scenario this works with is asteroids more-or-less in earth's orbit that get bumped into a collision course, or comet-like bodies with a predictable period where we can pre-position defenders.
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I haven't read the article -- so apologies if this was addressed.
I wonder if you could use one of these devices to fly up to another satellite (say military, communications, etc) and disable it?
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Now tell me when are they going to start working on Defending Earth From Madmen With Asteroids?
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Sorry, but no amount of money will buy peace.
People will fight and kill for what they want. Peace always takes a back seat to anger, greed, ideology and a belief in inevitable victory.
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His only talent is being a gold-digger marrying rich women
Yes, if only the Bush family had that kind of talent... Bush would never would have lied about Saudi Arabia's direct involvement in September the 11th.
Hell, Prescott Bush would never had to sell Nazi war bonds "just to feed his family".
Funny how patriotic right-wingers pretend to be. Send Joe Sixpack off to die in Iraq for a lie, to keep the campaign contributions flowing from Riyhad.
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Murphy:
Why not bring a few Large asteroids into a maintainable stable orbit around Earth? Landing on large asteroids is probably difficult for many reasons. Assuming a few major difficulties were overcome, swing a few large boulders into orbit and attatch booster engines that would allow you to accelerate them out of orbit, using their momentum to launch them at inbound objects, hoping that the collisions would destroy or sufficiently alter their paths.
An alternate method would use space elevators kind of like cosmic trebuchets. You could lift pieces of a massive object up the elevator to be assembled and then fling it at the threatening meteor.
This could also be put to use to assault the new Chinese Moon and Mars colonies. Trebuchets can be extremely effective weapons. I'm sure the Chinese will quickly surrender their colonies after being bombarded by frozen cows for a week or so.
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Do you yankee devils think for one minute that the Chinese will allow a madmen gap to develop?
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Ever consider that the dinosaurs might still rule the Earth if they had MADMEN?
That's an interesting point you bring up. It makes me wonder, how would today's Earth have evolved if the dinosaurs had never been wiped? Would the planet be ruled by huge, smart reptiles? Or perhaps dumb ones?
Perhaps the occasional cataclysm is beneficial to the planet in the long run, by wiping out species that have hit (or are approaching) some sort of evolutionary wall. If humans were similarly wiped by an asteroid, would something still more advanced evolve in our absence?
Caveat Emptor is not a business model.
Destroying asteroids with MADMEN? At first glance, I thought we were strapping dune coons to warheads.
I'd just like to step in and make a few corrections and clarifications:
"Obviously a project named after the inventors."
Judge for yourselves, The original AJC posting had a picture of us, as did the actual article. The article also included a nice illustration of the MADMEN.
"But if you ask me, the whole thing sounds like something cooked up by Hubert J. Farnsworth."
Since I designed the MADMEN nodes, does that mean I know officially qualify as a mad scientist?
"NASA really has beaten Congress in the stupid name department."
NASA did not come up with the acronym, nor did they have anything at all to do with this project. The acronym was concocted by AC (the guy on the left in the pic). I'm working on the design for the landers, but managed to write an entire paper on the system without using the acronym. We (SpaceWorks Engineering, Inc.) are not partners with NIAC. They are a group which sponsors far out research like this. We are a completely independant company from them or NASA.
NASA has done some work in asteroid detection, and has similar groups which have done some work on asteroid deflection (with giant lasers I believe) but no dedicated organization for this sort of stuff.
"In short they are paying 75k for a group of people to sit around a brainstorm ideas. Neat concept, call me when we are actually past the idea part of it."
Hopefully we'll win a NIAC phase II for this and actually build something and get more in depth with the concept.
"If some of them breaks, there's a lot more to carry on."
That's pretty much the whole point of the swarm.
"How much will these things weigh? With a nuke generator, and drilling and launching equipment to handle a pound of rock at a time over and over, say 1000 pounds max."
More like 1300 kg, but the in space transfer stage weight a lot more than that
"Asteroids ROTATE, in wildly different ways and have a miniscule amount of local gravity. "
The MADMEN would definitely have to be located around the asteroid and would obviously only fire when on one side.
And landing on an asteroid is not really that hard, its already been done by a spacecraft not even intended to land on one.
I'd rather get hit by an asteroid than get slammed by a Texas-sized Texas any day of the week.
Since a sizeable astroid hits maybe once in a million years, you have a lot to play with.
Once in how many years a mad dictator/president could try to extort the rest of the earth? (remember that we had a fair share of mad dictators/presidents in the last 2000 years)
Once in how many years a group of madman might try to return earth to "it original state"?
Once in how many years someone might want to commit a really spectacular suicide?
A good writer would have said
MADMEN Defend Earth from Asteroids
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Mod me offtopic if you must, but is anyone else sick of all these acronyms that were probably thought up before the words they would represent? As soon as I see any of these kinds of acronyms I immediately stop taking the project seriously.
I know what the naysayers would argue. Probes have a high failure rate (Beagle II anyone). The body would blow small pieces raining down bite size destruction. But I would argue:
Probes fail-yes; but hey, we are still practicing. Practice makes perfect.As for the blowing into small pieces.
Umm
...small pieces can burn up in the atmosphere
...small pieces don't do as much damage.
... a great many will be sent on a vector leading away from earth; density is inversely proprtional to radius squared. (ie less mass, less destruction)
... who says we can't blow up the small pieces.
Could it hurt so much to try it once? Just pick some benign asteroid minding his own business and blow the f**ker away? Then, see what happens. At least, simulate it!!!You don't have to be smart to use a Mac, you just have to be smart enough to buy one
From the title, I was so sure that someone had come up with an asteroid defense system that involved hurling SCO executives into space!
Asteroids of the kind that caused mass extinction of life forms on earth had two main things in their favor:
l. size
2. speed
So, something coming at Earth at thousands of mph is going to be intercepted by MADMEN?
Also, have we not had a few fly-bys that were not detected until they had flown-by?
We are toast if one like the dinosaur end-rule-on-earth
one comes along.
"Defending the Earth from MADMEN with asteroids" You never know when a criminal mastermind with asteroid controlling capability will aim one of these things at us. Perhaps a new government department needs to be formed. We could start it off with say a 2 or 3 billion dollar study to seek out MADMEN with REAL weapons of mass destruction. Maybe G dubya should be incharge, he already has lots of experience hunting something that cannot be found.
uh...that's 'moot', not 'mute'.
Why? You ask. Well think about this...
- the time when this is needed to avert a worldwide catastrophy is FAR TOO LATE to be doing your first real live test
- the asteroids have to go *somewhere* so why not somewhere useful
For those of you who failed basic math, 1+1=2 means Trial Runs of "MADMEN" Asteroid Deflections by slamdunking them into Mars. While they're at it, some of these "asteriods" in the test might just as well be Comets (ie slamdunked into Mars for the water).Visit CryptoGnome in his home.
So we're shooting Darl into space?
Maybe somebody can answer this. Wouldn't attaching a (very, VERY) large lightsail to an asteroid be the easiest way to change its orbit. If it was large enough it would produce sufficient force over a long enough time period to change its orbit enough that it would no longer be a hazard. I have never seen this idea in print and I wonder if it is because it would fail in some way I am not seeing.
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That's a great idea to paint the asteroid!!
We could send the "Queer Eye" guys up on a large rocket to give the asteroid a makeover. Maybe that'll change it's course! After all, isn't that what they are really good at?
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"boondoggle" (pronounced "BRRRHN-DAAAARG-LLLLL" was the only dinosour astronoaut. The tiny proportion of academic dinos had determined the imminent extinction using a cleaver combination of ice lenses and lakes acting as a primitive telescope.
The enormous intellectual effort to create the worlds first interplanetary vehicle, basically a giant slingshot using silurian rubber trees, shoulod not be overlooked. BRRHN-DAAAARG-LLLLs made the supreme sacrifice in attempting to transport a clutch of eggs to the red planet. His legacy is the recently acquired photo from mars showing his eroding skeleton..
Let us raise our beers in salute to BRRHN-DAAAARG-LLLL
There's something I'm a little confused about. We're going to need to send robots to this rock with enough energy to dig a hole and throw a rock tennis ball. Now since the robot is going to have the fuel to do that... wouldn't it be able to use that same energy to power a tiny plasma engine to push energy in the other direction? Energy is engery, isn't it?
Would it be more efficient to use it to dig and fling, or just power mini engines... I'm sure $ has something to do with it also.
this has probably been mentioned, but wouldnt it be easier to just denonate a series of explosives in close vicinity and let the shockwaves adjust the trajectory? the robot method seems far more complex (bruce willis style).
I'm trying to believe that this idea might be workable but I haven't managed it yet. For starters, it requires us to assemble a fleet of MADMEN as a precaution, which is a far more expensive solution than anything reactive and therefore less likely to be approved. The obvious mechanism seems to be a hail of thermonuclear-tipped missiles, each exploding alongside the target to vaporise a chunk of rock and drive it aside. Yes, this may make the asteroid break up, but I don't see that as a big problem. Partly because with multiple missiles, two little asteroids aren't much more of a problem than one big one. Partly because Earth's atmosphere makes us immune to really small missiles. The only major drawback I can see with this method is the risk of generating a cloud of debris that acts to destroy the followup rounds before they can detonate. Anyone know about this? The MADMEN approach is going to be so many orders of magnitude more expensive it just doesn't seem to make sense. The problem just isn't hard enough to deserve Rube Goldberg solutions of this kind.
Anyone thinking of those headless screaming dudes in Serious Sam? I think we should put RF transmitters on those things, and each of them could broadcast "AAAAAAAAAAAAaah" on several frequencies. Maybe that'd scare the piss out of the asteroid and it would change course...
I remember seeing a short documentary on this once. What made this significant, but not until much later, was that there was a pattern of trees that was still standing. This pattern was also seen after the Hiroshima bomb was dropped; and was seen again in a small scale nuclear test in a lab. I can't recall the pattern exactly, but it resembled a shape like the state of Idaho.
Just explode it far enough away that it doesn't even come close to breaking up the rock, just pushes it a tiny bit away from us. Then we probably won't have to worry about that rock again for a million years.
Otherwise, I'd hate to be the one to have to build those robots.
The more lead time we had, the farther away it would be when we got to nudge it. The earth is only 8,000 miles across. So, worst case scenario, we have to move it its relative trajectory enough so that it has changed by 8000 miles when it gets to us.
So, worst case (rock is going to hit the earch dead on, we need to nudge it 4000 miles), we would need to add about 0.45 miles per hour per year of lead time we have (how long before the rock will hit us can we get the missile next to the rock, NOT as how long before the rock will hit us will we know it is going to hit). I got this number like this:
Diameter of earth (called DEE) = 7926 miles Hours in a year (called YH) = 8760
DEE / YH = .9
We'd only ever need to nudge it by half the width of the earth, so 0.45 mph in the right direction would do the trick, if we could get the bomb(s) out there at least a year before it hit.
I'm sure the physics are more complicated than that, but I think the idea is pretty sound.
So perhaps what we need to do is spend more money and time looking for these things, to give us enough time to take care of it.
Of course, it mainly works for asteroids. who can predict the Oort Cloud?
The question of how much energy it would take to add 0.45 mph to X mass rock I leave as an activity for you. For a big rock, it's a lot of energy, but still doable. For a smaller rock, we could probably get away with a few months lead time.
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I solved this Earth defense thing last year and no one thanked me...
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I solved this Earth defense thing last year and no one thanked me...
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You know, I agree with most of what you're saying, but for once, can we not make an asinine statement about President Bush. If you don't like him, fine, but do you REALLY think he wants nuclear proliferation and global degardation?? Let's keep focused on the topic and leave partisan squabbles confined to political topics. Thanks, just my $0.02.
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"Total destruction the only solution" - Bob Marley
Yeah and it's not like humanity wouldn't have its collective thumb up its ass when the first rock comes screaming through the atmosphere.
Oh, and BTW go ahead and cancel the other astronomical projects that handle the detection in the first place. We don't need to waste all that valuable funding looking for something that might happen only once in a 1000 years. Hope it's not 10 years from now.
In fact, the word nasa in Toki Pona means "foolish".
crawl back under that bridge from where you came you lying leftist-pig troll.
Either them or everyone on HGTV. It might not work but at least it would look pretty.
It's not cool to respond to your own post but in the unlikely event it's read I'll take the heat. I was thinking about how silly my math was, because a small nudge might have a huge effect on the outer orbit, but a relatively small effect on the perihelion.
The more I think about it, the more I think that we could someday be in a position where we're just gonna get hit, practically no matter what we do. Other times we could have a good opportunity to save ourselves. It depends on the relative projected angular momentums of earth and the rock at the projected collision point.
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Robot Ben Affle-- not wait, that's redundant.
Anywho, for our part, do we have to look up in the sky in reaaaaalllll slooooooooow motion?
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