Maybe you should try to drown the bitterness trasforming yourself in the BOFH, or scheduling a meeting between the head of division and the aforementioned PHB when at random time on his screen appear naked girls or random farting noises could be heard from the speakers.
Not that being bitter is not an illegitimate reaction.
Dear Mac user,
this is an automatic message from your ISP.
Due to the last batch of Viruses/Worms/Trojans affecting the Microsoft users that you so despise, the network is congested, and you cannot reach Itunes stores and cannot download the Steve Jobs Picture of the day.
It seems to me that Debian is already there, we've got binary packages for the majority of people and we've got the apt-build package for those that want to rebuild their packages for whatever reason.
Perfect. Now consider the phrase that spurred my response:
Probably because you havn't finished installing Gentoo yet, once the compiling stops and you've used the system for a little bit you'll realize how much of a waste of time compiling everything is and hopefully you'll move onto Debian, where there's all the automation but none of the wasted time.
They say that gentooist do uncalled evangelism,
but it seem to me that you fell in the same
pattern.
Why do not reserve our energy to convert
more desktops from proprietary OS to a better
alternatives?
About testing/unstable, the same packages not working in testing were working in unstable.
This does not make a lot of sense to me.
The USE flags cannot seriously compromise a compilation; it is usually other settings in/etc/make.conf that can.
I am sorry, you do not seem to know gentoo well enough to do such statement, otherwise you would have said which USE flag could create problems.
And before moving the bug upstream, usually it is in bugs.gentoo.org that they are discussed.
Finally, each gentoo installation is unique in its own right, and each package is compiled in a lot more of different environments than the ones of the developers packaging the debs for debian.
It seems to me that we are moving in the right direction.
I am using gentoo for a while, and I must say I am very well off, thank you very much.
My 5 years old pc (maybe more, based on an I440BX) get faster and more responsive every day as a desktop, with xorg, gnome 2.8, with an appropriate choice of themes and eyecandy: I want to be productive, after all.
I have seen on the other hand people installing debian testing, having issues, and resolving them going in unstable(!).
I was trying to help these people, but I had difficulties to navigate between all those pkg, pkg-devel, pkg.12.23 etc. etc.
I have nothing against debian, most likely, were I using it I would know all the caveats and navigate easily, but at this moment, I see people that have troubles installing the drivers for video cards matching their kernels.
So, please refrain to attack something that seems growing instead of shrinking every day.
And consider that compiling from source helps to find bugs much faster than using binary distros.
In a way, the gentooist are gamma-testers, and deserve a modicum of respect.
This is very well possible, but the fact is, I would recognize this as a violation of my privacy, but would a child who has been subjected to control from a relative young age have the same response?
For the mobile story, a friend working in the field told me the old ETACS were completely analoc, so easy to tap into.
GSM should provide the necessary privacy, since the comunications are encrypted and there is the active need for the teleco to help the tapper.
If this is true, I guess we will need to have dsa keys for
the 3rd generation mobiles..
In the same way the child of today growns considering pretty normal carrying a RFID tag
with him, the grownup of tomorrow will find normal having the govern listen to his phone calls.
I guess it is a new policy between software makers, drug dealers and legislators alike:
When Thomas Jefferson said
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance some of you think he meant this?
Why should we limit our civil liberties in trade of "security"?
Why it is easy of letting something go, but hard and strenous to conquer it back?
Some things we are hearing around start making 1984 sound like a bed time history.
This is great.
These are the seed of the (r)evolution.
The general public must be made aware of the alternatives, and the preaching af the "geek" are usually disregarded, but if the info comes from a national newspaper..
Maybe hypocrite, but..
If you had taken the security warnings issued for the whole debian or gentoo package repositories in the last days you would have had a more fancy list.
Ah, and you would have needed quite a lot of Gb on your disk to install all the mentioned applications.
Nice one really. Call back when a Windows OS includes a compiler.
Cheers
So I guess you need to start collecting bluetooth devices.
I will stick with my palm m500 and magellan gps companion, that does everything I need, and then, some.
I guess I am of the idea a phone should just be used to make calls, and that it should be as small
as possible, rather than having a screen big enough to be usable for maps, directions etc.
When my sister decided that see needed a laptop for her university, I rejoed: her desktop would have been hijacked to my parents' room and I would install there Linux to be able to do video-conferencing with them.
I selected Suse 9.0 for the task, bought the local retail version in the (vane) hope that they could read the fine manuals, and I started installation during the Easter holidays when I went there.
During the installation, there was an option about the graphical environment:
*) No graphics *) Light version (No KDE) *) Uber Ultra Eye Cady Fat Colesterol Kde
Or something similar, I do not remeber in the detail, but I could select a less heavy DE than kde or gnome.
So, I stand back, and look the machine: amd 2400+, 256MB, nvidia 440Mx, and I say, it's ok, it can do it.
And it did.
Now, if it was a PIII 733, 128MB, riva TNT 16MB, I do believe I would have chosen the middle option (windowmaker maybe?).
It would have maybe been less user friendly, but for the few tasks my parents have to perform (e-mail, web, gnomemeeting) would have been ok.
So, if you are installing on an old hardware a new distribution that it takes pains to give you a "wonderful" gui experience, is really so strange to find that it goes slower than a previous version without special effects, tooltips, whatever?
So, next time Suse 9.0 (or now 9.1) is installed on an old machine, is it fair to ask the machine to behave correctly with a load that exceed its capacities? Or would not have been more logical selecting the offered choice of a light environment?
What keeps me out of MSWindowsTM is mostly a sense of claustrophobia, of having the walls closing on me.
When I am put in front of a windows machine I feel umconfortable, like somebody switched my keyboard layout and messed with the mouse.
I have to change mindset: I am not the master, but I am the slave, I have to abide to the "logic" of the computer, if there is a problem, I can very well not be able solve it, simply because I cannot see where is the defect.
Computers should be a symbol of man ingenuity, of his progress, not a tool to enslave them instead..
I do not want the computer to think for me. I have already the politicians and the TVs that try to convince me they know better.
The simplest tasks become impossible. The DOS prompt makes me want to scream, and the programs, with tons of toolbars and options make me dizzy.
I guess my past of heavy Amiga user helped me to know what a real machine and a real OS could do, but in general I can have the occasional wish to use a program, like dictation software, or a game, but it does not last long.
I can have Tribes II and NWN on my Linux Box, and I can try out sphinx.
In general, I see MSWindows like an invaluable tool that created the idea of the Personal Computer in each home (now more than one), but a tool that now has is time due.
It is time to move on. We cannot keep our keyboards being modeled after some long disappeared mechanical typewriters.
Is time to look forward, try at least the dvorak layout, and spare money for a keyboard with no staggering, install Linux on our family Pcs, whenever possible, and support the OSS community actively with financial support.
In one year of use of OSS/libre software, what are 100$, if one does not buy retail boxes or does not support in other ways the OSS community?
However, of these 100$, one could think to devote some to the FSF, that stands for the ideals that are not only behind Gentoo, but behind the whole GNU/Linux scenario.
So, why not support FSF AND Gentoo as well, still within the prefixed budget?
Maybe You could scrap something for the EFF as well...
This is new to me. I had the impression that he never was found guilty, otherwise the newspaper would never finish telling it to the readers.
I guess I'll have to check.
On the other side, I did not use a clock to take the timings, but I have seen on the italian TV much more people (and for longer time) from the opposition that from the government.
But I guess it is possible that the time spent listening to them is longer for me than what in reality is.
Well, abroad you do not find the "good" newspapers. You find the ones that make more sense to commercialize since they sell more. How much, is best left unsaid, but they are the most important ones.
So, the parent said that all the press in controlled by B.; you pretty much confirmed my idea it is not so.
For the copies of cd and dvds.. You invoke the zero tolerance. So no more people begging for money at traffic light, no more driving over the limit, no more wrongdoings.
It is difficult, if the police often look on the other side simply because there is not a simple solution, unless you will be the first to collect all the children beggin for money on the streets of the italian cities and ship them to their parents abroad, that will immediately send them back.
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Maybe you should try to drown the bitterness trasforming yourself in the BOFH, or scheduling a meeting between the head of division and the aforementioned PHB when at random time on his screen appear naked girls or random farting noises could be heard from the speakers.
Not that being bitter is not an illegitimate reaction.
Dear Mac user,
this is an automatic message from your ISP.
Due to the last batch of Viruses/Worms/Trojans affecting the Microsoft users that you so despise,
the network is congested, and you cannot reach Itunes stores and cannot download the Steve Jobs Picture of the day.
We apologize for the inconvenience.
And maybe his boss has IE as well, and when the Chris told him to use firefox, the boss said "Thanks, but no thanks, I will stick to mama Microsoft".
And another thing, he actully made the effort of organizing and collecting references.
I could be convinced of the fact, but I could not provide "evidences" to back up my statements out of the tip of my tongue.
Time to print it and stick it in my wallet, or to copy in my palm, whatever.
Than maybe you could kindly suggest your local PHB to read it, telling him that there he could find the reason why his homepage is now www.XXX.XXX?
I meant convert people to GNU land, from the dollar green pastures of WindowsTM.
It seems to me that Debian is already there, we've got binary packages for the majority of people and we've got the apt-build package for those that want to rebuild their packages for whatever reason.
Perfect. Now consider the phrase that spurred my response:
Probably because you havn't finished installing Gentoo yet, once the compiling stops and you've used the system for a little bit you'll realize how much of a waste of time compiling everything is and hopefully you'll move onto Debian, where there's all the automation but none of the wasted time.
They say that gentooist do uncalled evangelism, but it seem to me that you fell in the same pattern.
Why do not reserve our energy to convert more desktops from proprietary OS to a better alternatives?
About testing/unstable, the same packages
/etc/make.conf that can.
not working in testing were working in unstable.
This does not make a lot of sense to me.
The USE flags cannot seriously compromise a
compilation; it is usually other settings in
I am sorry, you do not seem to know gentoo well enough to do such statement, otherwise you would
have said which USE flag could create problems.
And before moving the bug upstream, usually it
is in bugs.gentoo.org that they are discussed.
Finally, each gentoo installation is unique in its own right, and each package is compiled in a lot more of different environments than the ones of the developers packaging the debs for debian.
It seems to me that we are moving in the right direction.
I am using gentoo for a while, and I must say I am very well off, thank you very much.
My 5 years old pc (maybe more, based on an I440BX) get faster and more responsive every day as a desktop, with xorg, gnome 2.8, with an appropriate choice of themes and eyecandy: I want to be productive, after all.
I have seen on the other hand people installing debian testing, having issues, and resolving them going in unstable(!).
I was trying to help these people, but I had difficulties to navigate between all those pkg, pkg-devel, pkg.12.23 etc. etc.
I have nothing against debian, most likely, were I using it I would know all the caveats and navigate easily, but at this moment, I see people that have troubles installing the drivers for video cards matching their kernels.
So, please refrain to attack something that seems growing instead of shrinking every day.
And consider that compiling from source helps to find bugs much faster than using binary distros.
In a way, the gentooist are gamma-testers,
and deserve a modicum of respect.
Thank you very much.
This is very well possible, but the fact is, I would recognize this as a violation of my privacy, but would a child who has been subjected to control from a relative young age have the same response?
For the mobile story, a friend working in the field told me the old ETACS were completely analoc, so easy to tap into.
GSM should provide the necessary privacy, since the comunications are encrypted and there is the active need for the teleco to help the tapper.
If this is true, I guess we will need to have dsa keys for the 3rd generation mobiles..
Absolutely.
In the same way the child of today growns considering pretty normal carrying a RFID tag with him, the grownup of tomorrow will find normal having the govern listen to his phone calls.
I guess it is a new policy between software makers, drug dealers and legislators alike:
Take them when they are young.When Thomas Jefferson said The price of freedom is eternal vigilance some of you think he meant this?
Why should we limit our civil liberties in trade of "security"?
Why it is easy of letting something go, but hard and strenous to conquer it back?
Some things we are hearing around start making 1984 sound like a bed time history.
Yes. And Enron was an healty business.
Cannot discount a scenario as impossible, just improbable.
This is great.
These are the seed of the (r)evolution.
The general public must be made aware of the alternatives, and the preaching af the "geek" are usually disregarded, but if the info comes from a national newspaper..
Maybe hypocrite, but..
This only if you did not compiled anything against said package. Dependencies can be broken, but in that case the package manager is able to help.
If you had taken the security warnings issued for the whole debian or gentoo package repositories in the last days you would have had a more fancy list. Ah, and you would have needed quite a lot of Gb on your disk to install all the mentioned applications. Nice one really. Call back when a Windows OS includes a compiler. Cheers
You can, on the other hand, read the e-book you were
reading yesterday night, or even write down
a memo or an e-mail.
I see.
So I guess you need to start collecting bluetooth
devices.
I will stick with my palm m500 and magellan gps
companion, that does everything I need, and then,
some.
I guess I am of the idea a phone should just be
used to make calls, and that it should be as small
as possible, rather than having a screen big
enough to be usable for maps, directions etc.
For one, you cannot connect devices like keyboards,
gpses etc. etc.
Can you install a diet program in a phone as easily as in a pda?
Can you program your pda?
A pda is a programmable computer, can be said the same for a phone (running maybe a proprietary OS) ?
When my sister decided that see needed a laptop for her university, I rejoed: her desktop would
have been hijacked to my parents' room and I would
install there Linux to be able to do
video-conferencing with them.
I selected Suse 9.0 for the task, bought the
local retail version in the (vane) hope that
they could read the fine manuals, and I started
installation during the Easter holidays when I
went there.
During the installation, there was an option
about the graphical environment:
*) No graphics
*) Light version (No KDE)
*) Uber Ultra Eye Cady Fat Colesterol Kde
Or something similar, I do not remeber in the
detail, but I could select a less heavy DE than
kde or gnome.
So, I stand back, and look the machine:
amd 2400+, 256MB, nvidia 440Mx, and I say,
it's ok, it can do it.
And it did.
Now, if it was a PIII 733, 128MB, riva TNT 16MB,
I do believe I would have chosen the middle option
(windowmaker maybe?).
It would have maybe been less user friendly, but
for the few tasks my parents have to perform
(e-mail, web, gnomemeeting) would have been ok.
So, if you are installing on an old hardware
a new distribution that it takes pains to give
you a "wonderful" gui experience, is really so
strange to find that it goes slower than
a previous version without special effects,
tooltips, whatever?
So, next time Suse 9.0 (or now 9.1) is installed
on an old machine, is it fair to ask the
machine to behave correctly with a load that
exceed its capacities? Or would not have been more
logical selecting the offered choice of a light
environment?
Just my thoughts.
Best Regards
What keeps me out of MSWindowsTM is
mostly a sense of claustrophobia, of having
the walls closing on me.
When I am put in front of a windows machine I
feel umconfortable, like somebody switched my
keyboard layout and messed with the mouse.
I have to change mindset: I am not the master,
but I am the slave, I have to abide to the
"logic" of the computer, if there is a problem,
I can very well not be able solve it, simply
because I cannot see where is the defect.
Computers should be a symbol of man ingenuity,
of his progress, not a tool to enslave them
instead..
I do not want the computer to think for me.
I have already the politicians and the TVs that
try to convince me they know better.
The simplest tasks become impossible.
The DOS prompt makes me want to scream, and the
programs, with tons of toolbars and options make
me dizzy.
I guess my past of heavy Amiga user helped me to
know what a real machine and a real OS could do,
but in general I can have the occasional wish to
use a program, like dictation software, or a game,
but it does not last long.
I can have Tribes II and NWN on my Linux Box, and
I can try out sphinx.
In general, I see MSWindows like an invaluable
tool that created the idea of the Personal
Computer in each home (now more than one), but
a tool that now has is time due.
It is time to move on. We cannot keep our
keyboards being modeled after some long
disappeared mechanical typewriters.
Is time to look forward, try at least the dvorak
layout, and spare money for a keyboard with
no staggering, install Linux on our family
Pcs, whenever possible, and support the OSS
community actively with financial support.
Best Regards
It is a laudable intention.
In one year of use of OSS/libre software, what are
100$, if one does not buy retail boxes or does not support in other ways the OSS community?
However, of these 100$, one could think to devote some to the FSF, that stands for the ideals that are not only behind Gentoo, but behind the whole GNU/Linux scenario.
So, why not support FSF AND Gentoo as well, still within the prefixed budget?
Maybe You could scrap something for the EFF as well...
I do not understand.
The bottom line is that he has been completely
acquitted from any wrongdoing, even if in the past
he was judged innocent only due to the time factor.
On the other side, I do not doubt he is a smart guy.
Clever ? Maybe he should have stayed outside politics,
he would have spared a lot of sofferences.
Well see what the Italians will do next elections.
This is new to me. I had the impression that he never was found guilty, otherwise the newspaper would never finish telling it to the readers.
I guess I'll have to check.
On the other side, I did not use a clock to take the timings, but I have seen on the italian TV much more people (and for longer time) from the opposition that from the government.
But I guess it is possible that the time spent listening to them is longer for me than what in reality is.
Well, abroad you do not find the "good" newspapers.
You find the ones that make more sense to commercialize since they sell more. How much, is best left unsaid, but they are the most important ones.
So, the parent said that all the press in controlled by B.; you pretty much confirmed my idea it is not so.
For the copies of cd and dvds.. You invoke the zero tolerance. So no more people begging for money at traffic light, no more driving over the limit, no more wrongdoings.
It is difficult, if the police often look on the other side simply because there is not a simple solution, unless you will be the first to collect all the children beggin for money on the streets of the italian cities and ship them to their parents abroad, that will immediately send them back.
Think of the solution, not of the problem.