"just because you can whine really loud it doesn't mean you can dictate to a game developer how to make their games. "
When you make a bad game you should be called on your shit. People had expectatinos of what to expect from the story, they weren't expecting happy fair fairy land ending but they did want an ending that made fucking sense to the awesome universe that was created with ME.
It doesn't help that most gamers are braindead and couldn't even begin to detect that the games story was already butchered in mass effect 2. ME2 was a good game and it's proof that most gamers don't really care about plot/story as long as the game is fun and the characters are emotionally engaging.
Everyone who thinks ME's story is good needs to have a good look at how it changed in mass effect 2.
An oldster is anyone older then roughly 30 (in the context of the article). People who can remember using 14.4 and/or slower modems, and playing things like LORD.
... it's still one of the few places left on the internet you can have somewhat intelligent discussion. Even with the stories being more baiting a good lot of us come for the comments and the fact that slashdot is still one of the few places in a world deeply mired in corruption and political bankruptcy.
You can't please everybody but the growth at all costs mentality always leads to mediocrity. There is a reason why any discussion or issues approaching intelligence naturally limits audience size. If you need to expand your audience you need to start a spinoff site that allows more mainstream lowest common denominator stuff.
... is really a part of the problem. Certain elements of the public have shown themselves so braindead (as these farmers are no doubt). Yet these kinds of people don't think about the unseen long-term consequences of what is currently generating their power that is more harmful for the environment but is not easily perceived by the human mind due to the long term effects and the inability of the public to get behind anything that doesn't emotionally grab them.
... security to begin with. The problem was no one predicted the internet would become the thing it was and most people are not intelligent enough to be using connected PC's to begin with. It's about the cognitive level of intelligence needed to be using such machines to begin with. It's not hard to keep safe without overbearing security and permissions it's about being intelligent about what kinds of machines with certain data you hook up to the net to begin with.
Lets remind ourselves that it is usually the users themselves that get into trouble by downloading or running things they shouldn't be. And many hackers would naturally "socially hack" people rather then 'hack things the hard way'. Security is only as good as the people who use your machines anyway. The idea that it "Users are too privileged" is a farce.
... is run by morons anyway, and a lot of the developers are just as stupid. Game development costs from the late 90's onwards have just been going up exponentially and killed a lot of smaller B and C level game developers so now we're stuck with game companies that are risk averse because the costs to make a game who's graphics are at the current GPU level is just too costly. Yet a 2D game like New super mario bros. Wii sells millions. Publishers/developers were too quick to kill 2D games when 3D arrived and basically did it to themselves financially, but they never got the message and DRM and all sorts of scam artistry is now the norm to try to capture every dollar they can. The industry over the last 10 years has been pretty bad, the worst part about this is the large segment of the population that pays for MMO's and DLC which feeds the completely corrupt game industry.
Except for roads, electrification, water and sewage, healthcare (outside the US), and the social safety net??? To say government doesn't govern at least somewhat in the interests of the people is a lie. The issue has always been the people do nothing to change things until the proverbial shit hits the fan (great depression).
" So why are we taking about evolution when there is really nothing in the bible, or at the Christian testament, that prevents it from validity."
Yes there is, having grown up in christendom it's quite obvious if evolution is true, then sin and death did not enter the world through disobedience. Christianity and the resurrection of christ hinge on sin existing, if it's all mythological sin doesn't exist and the 'punishment for sin' doesn't exist either (death). The purpose of christ dying and being raised makes no sense from a liberal christian standpoint. This is what makes religious people so frustrating. Their complete inability to reason.
Romans 5:14
"Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come."
"How can you possible be defending Kimble? He's not some patriotic defender of our IP rights. He has, time and time again, setup illegal businesses, had the government stop them and move on with a slap on wrists. He is a crook."
You mean like most modern businesses? At this point there is little difference between kimble and what is the status quo for the corporate sector. You're blind otherwise.
"I don't think this is a very popular opinion, but maybe someone can post a few reasons as to why they see my position as wrong."
I can give you a fuck tonne of reasons why gamers should get political. The tradition of open sourcing commercial PC games has dwindled to a crawl with multi-platform games. This can only be a bad thing from an innovation and modding standpoint. Many modern games started off as mods: League of legends, heroes of newerth and others are derived from the DOTA user created mod for warcraft 3. Counterstrike was originally a mod for half-life that went commercial. Game modding is a hotbed of innovation that has been severely curtailed by publishers trying to monetize everything. Notice the stupid legal rumblings around DOTA trademark.
Many modern games have had modding nerfed out-right because of publishers realizing they can just withhold modding tools and monetize content via DLC instead. Supreme commander 2 is a case in point. In the demo modding was enabled, in the retail release you have to do all sorts of convoluted stuff to mod the game.
Companies are now trying to extend "IP" property rights to anything made with their tools and that's bullshit, the people who came up with counterstrike using half-lifes engine, which was derived from the quake engine is a case in point. We build new games on top of code from old ones so we don't have to reinvent the wheel. Modern game publishers want to create artificial barriers to entry by extending IP to choke off innovation that modding creates and/or use it to hinder competitors by locking up code.
I was there during the 'golden era' of PC gaming during the mid to late 90's where mods and map-making was a great and wonderful thing. One of the things that separates console gaming from PC gaming is mods - the ability to actually change and make the game better then what the developers put out.
Gamers rights are a great way to attempt to reform copyright. I'm one of those gamers that is ticked off by DRM and how companies are playing loosey-goosey with an out-dated and totally corrupt copyright regime, that was always corrupt from the get-go because it took advantage of an technologically ignorant public. Software licensing (where you are never allowed to own anything) is bullshit and against the public interest when it comes to games. There are no term limits on copyrights for software, software makers can just sit on source-code or bury it. So owners of games can't get source when a company has gone defunct or the game is over 10 years old and that should never happen.
There's no logical reason for any game to stop working on any modern computer at all but stupid copyright laws give way too much power to business and "creators" and the source code never enters the public domain and many game owners, fans, gamedevs and hobbyist devs get fucked in the ass.
Imagine if someone could sit on and/or bury a process to create life saving drugs or some world changing tools because they have patents/copyrights that never expire. I use an extreme example because the things we can learn from how things are made or badly made allow us to make better tools and products and lead to unexpected innovations.
The software industry is one of those industries that desperately needs more innovation in how software is made and created.
Things like this should be possible remaking an old game a big corproation has lost interest in (because it is no longer profitable)
Things like freespace SCP will be imposible in the future if no one does anything about the corrupt copyright laws and reigns in the game industries abuses.
... at the beginning of the PS2/Xbox1/Gamecube era. Developers even in the late 90's in the late PS1 era with the advent of 3D hardware accelerators were saying the same thing and Interplay went bellyup because it didn't diversify and their developers went their own way or got acquired by other publishers. The $60 (rather $70-80/w dlc) game is still here.
lol now I know why you posted AC, typical of Americans ALWAYS pointing to the 'evil russian bogeyman' because when someone comes up with a valid criticism that private media prevents the public from protecting itself from private power, this must mean the only alternative is russian style authoritarianism!
"Don't forget inflation when complaining about game prices."
Let's not forget wage stagnation. Everyone forgets about the most important thing - stagnation of wages. What matters is purchasing power and that is more complicated to calculate.
"There is a reason that Starcraft 2 took about 12 years to show up."
The reason it took 12 years for SC2 to show up was world of warcraft was a success even blizzard didn't predict. They predicted they'd get something like 400,000 consistent subs, and it shot up into millions. Warcraft is what put Starcraft and diablo sequels on the backburner, it wasn't because other game companies couldn't compete in the space. We had Company of heroes, dawn of war and supreme commander. All valiant attempts in the RTS genre.
"It's one thing to use genetic engineering to fight disease and obvious medical problems."
We already use genetic engineering for social reasons: Medicine and food. Next most people would select for beautiful children and I think the urge for pretty people is way too strong to stop GE from happening whether we like it or not.
... the media and schools that keep the public purposely uninformed. As long as corporate media can do as they please voting either on the internet or off doesn't mean a lot.
Slashdot Mirror
lol you're proof most gamers are braindead. No wonder you posted AC. You just confirmed it with your contortions.
"just because you can whine really loud it doesn't mean you can dictate to a game developer how to make their games. "
When you make a bad game you should be called on your shit. People had expectatinos of what to expect from the story, they weren't expecting happy fair fairy land ending but they did want an ending that made fucking sense to the awesome universe that was created with ME.
It doesn't help that most gamers are braindead and couldn't even begin to detect that the games story was already butchered in mass effect 2. ME2 was a good game and it's proof that most gamers don't really care about plot/story as long as the game is fun and the characters are emotionally engaging.
Everyone who thinks ME's story is good needs to have a good look at how it changed in mass effect 2.
ME2 plot analysis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR558wTjOUU
"If you have to resort to fooling people instead of legitimately making a good argument, you don't have a leg to stand on."
Except this is not how the human mind works. The fact that you even give credence to republicans at all shows how intellectually bankrupt you are.
http://bit.ly/dYaWUc
An oldster is anyone older then roughly 30 (in the context of the article). People who can remember using 14.4 and/or slower modems, and playing things like LORD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend_of_the_Red_Dragon
... it's still one of the few places left on the internet you can have somewhat intelligent discussion. Even with the stories being more baiting a good lot of us come for the comments and the fact that slashdot is still one of the few places in a world deeply mired in corruption and political bankruptcy.
You can't please everybody but the growth at all costs mentality always leads to mediocrity. There is a reason why any discussion or issues approaching intelligence naturally limits audience size. If you need to expand your audience you need to start a spinoff site that allows more mainstream lowest common denominator stuff.
... is really a part of the problem. Certain elements of the public have shown themselves so braindead (as these farmers are no doubt). Yet these kinds of people don't think about the unseen long-term consequences of what is currently generating their power that is more harmful for the environment but is not easily perceived by the human mind due to the long term effects and the inability of the public to get behind anything that doesn't emotionally grab them.
... security to begin with. The problem was no one predicted the internet would become the thing it was and most people are not intelligent enough to be using connected PC's to begin with. It's about the cognitive level of intelligence needed to be using such machines to begin with. It's not hard to keep safe without overbearing security and permissions it's about being intelligent about what kinds of machines with certain data you hook up to the net to begin with.
Lets remind ourselves that it is usually the users themselves that get into trouble by downloading or running things they shouldn't be. And many hackers would naturally "socially hack" people rather then 'hack things the hard way'. Security is only as good as the people who use your machines anyway. The idea that it "Users are too privileged" is a farce.
... is run by morons anyway, and a lot of the developers are just as stupid. Game development costs from the late 90's onwards have just been going up exponentially and killed a lot of smaller B and C level game developers so now we're stuck with game companies that are risk averse because the costs to make a game who's graphics are at the current GPU level is just too costly. Yet a 2D game like New super mario bros. Wii sells millions. Publishers/developers were too quick to kill 2D games when 3D arrived and basically did it to themselves financially, but they never got the message and DRM and all sorts of scam artistry is now the norm to try to capture every dollar they can. The industry over the last 10 years has been pretty bad, the worst part about this is the large segment of the population that pays for MMO's and DLC which feeds the completely corrupt game industry.
"Actually, they never were."
Except for roads, electrification, water and sewage, healthcare (outside the US), and the social safety net??? To say government doesn't govern at least somewhat in the interests of the people is a lie. The issue has always been the people do nothing to change things until the proverbial shit hits the fan (great depression).
" So why are we taking about evolution when there is really nothing in the bible, or at the Christian testament, that prevents it from validity."
Yes there is, having grown up in christendom it's quite obvious if evolution is true, then sin and death did not enter the world through disobedience. Christianity and the resurrection of christ hinge on sin existing, if it's all mythological sin doesn't exist and the 'punishment for sin' doesn't exist either (death). The purpose of christ dying and being raised makes no sense from a liberal christian standpoint. This is what makes religious people so frustrating. Their complete inability to reason.
Romans 5:14
"Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come."
"I am still stunned that people think this way..."
Don't be. Human reasoning doesn't work the way the enlightenment thought.
http://bit.ly/dYaWUc
"I'm not planning to go see this movie, but - CARTOON TURTLES!"
How is this different from being disappointed by starwars prequels or mass effect 3's ending? or ME2's horrible plot?
Criticism of ME3's ending
http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/
Criticism of ME2's plot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR558wTjOUU
"The only good Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were the original B&W comics."
And the videogames! I spent hours in the arcade and console playing that multiplayer. :P
"War causes violent behaviour too, but no congressman as ever putting a bill against, have they?"
I can't wait until I hear that Videogames are a part of that 'axis of evil'.
"How can you possible be defending Kimble? He's not some patriotic defender of our IP rights. He has, time and time again, setup illegal businesses, had the government stop them and move on with a slap on wrists. He is a crook."
You mean like most modern businesses? At this point there is little difference between kimble and what is the status quo for the corporate sector. You're blind otherwise.
"I don't think this is a very popular opinion, but maybe someone can post a few reasons as to why they see my position as wrong."
I can give you a fuck tonne of reasons why gamers should get political. The tradition of open sourcing commercial PC games has dwindled to a crawl with multi-platform games. This can only be a bad thing from an innovation and modding standpoint. Many modern games started off as mods: League of legends, heroes of newerth and others are derived from the DOTA user created mod for warcraft 3. Counterstrike was originally a mod for half-life that went commercial. Game modding is a hotbed of innovation that has been severely curtailed by publishers trying to monetize everything. Notice the stupid legal rumblings around DOTA trademark.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/02/10/blizzard-opposing-valve-39-s-dota-trademark.aspx
Many modern games have had modding nerfed out-right because of publishers realizing they can just withhold modding tools and monetize content via DLC instead. Supreme commander 2 is a case in point. In the demo modding was enabled, in the retail release you have to do all sorts of convoluted stuff to mod the game.
Companies are now trying to extend "IP" property rights to anything made with their tools and that's bullshit, the people who came up with counterstrike using half-lifes engine, which was derived from the quake engine is a case in point. We build new games on top of code from old ones so we don't have to reinvent the wheel. Modern game publishers want to create artificial barriers to entry by extending IP to choke off innovation that modding creates and/or use it to hinder competitors by locking up code.
I was there during the 'golden era' of PC gaming during the mid to late 90's where mods and map-making was a great and wonderful thing. One of the things that separates console gaming from PC gaming is mods - the ability to actually change and make the game better then what the developers put out.
Gamers rights are a great way to attempt to reform copyright. I'm one of those gamers that is ticked off by DRM and how companies are playing loosey-goosey with an out-dated and totally corrupt copyright regime, that was always corrupt from the get-go because it took advantage of an technologically ignorant public. Software licensing (where you are never allowed to own anything) is bullshit and against the public interest when it comes to games. There are no term limits on copyrights for software, software makers can just sit on source-code or bury it. So owners of games can't get source when a company has gone defunct or the game is over 10 years old and that should never happen.
There's no logical reason for any game to stop working on any modern computer at all but stupid copyright laws give way too much power to business and "creators" and the source code never enters the public domain and many game owners, fans, gamedevs and hobbyist devs get fucked in the ass.
Imagine if someone could sit on and/or bury a process to create life saving drugs or some world changing tools because they have patents/copyrights that never expire. I use an extreme example because the things we can learn from how things are made or badly made allow us to make better tools and products and lead to unexpected innovations.
The software industry is one of those industries that desperately needs more innovation in how software is made and created.
Things like this should be possible remaking an old game a big corproation has lost interest in (because it is no longer profitable)
Chrono resurrection
http://www.opcoder.com/projects/chrono/
Things like freespace SCP will be imposible in the future if no one does anything about the corrupt copyright laws and reigns in the game industries abuses.
Freespace scp
"Not usually a nitpicker but COME ON!"
Most people are of average intelligence or below, it's not surprising. Most people are not intelligent enough or have enough impulse control.
... at the beginning of the PS2/Xbox1/Gamecube era. Developers even in the late 90's in the late PS1 era with the advent of 3D hardware accelerators were saying the same thing and Interplay went bellyup because it didn't diversify and their developers went their own way or got acquired by other publishers. The $60 (rather $70-80 /w dlc) game is still here.
lol now I know why you posted AC, typical of Americans ALWAYS pointing to the 'evil russian bogeyman' because when someone comes up with a valid criticism that private media prevents the public from protecting itself from private power, this must mean the only alternative is russian style authoritarianism!
"Don't forget inflation when complaining about game prices."
Let's not forget wage stagnation. Everyone forgets about the most important thing - stagnation of wages. What matters is purchasing power and that is more complicated to calculate.
"There is a reason that Starcraft 2 took about 12 years to show up."
The reason it took 12 years for SC2 to show up was world of warcraft was a success even blizzard didn't predict. They predicted they'd get something like 400,000 consistent subs, and it shot up into millions. Warcraft is what put Starcraft and diablo sequels on the backburner, it wasn't because other game companies couldn't compete in the space. We had Company of heroes, dawn of war and supreme commander. All valiant attempts in the RTS genre.
"The effort to perfect man into someone's ideal image has always resulted in mass death."
The effort not to change man is leading to the same problems, so what is your big solution?
"It's one thing to use genetic engineering to fight disease and obvious medical problems."
We already use genetic engineering for social reasons: Medicine and food. Next most people would select for beautiful children and I think the urge for pretty people is way too strong to stop GE from happening whether we like it or not.
... the media and schools that keep the public purposely uninformed. As long as corporate media can do as they please voting either on the internet or off doesn't mean a lot.
You didn't see the point when he showed how you could find bugs in algorithms as you typed them.