You have no idea. The problem is that the Java spec says you only get all the IP and patent licenses granted if you pass the TCK in 6 months time from releasing a beta. But you have no way to access the TCK if Oracle doesn't give it to you! And despite Suns promise to do so, they refused to give it to us (nor to anyone else who doesn't sign a completely restrictive NDA and Field of Use restriction).
Fazit: even if the code is under GPLv2, you cannot simply fork OpenJDK currently! (At least not without getting your pants sued off you)
Ross and I recently talked with the chief of the FSFE at a conference and showed him the Java spec and Java TCK license wording and the problems with that. He promised us to talk with RMS about it because the might use the word GPL in the TCK-license in a misleading way. Btw, there is a good reason why there is now a GPLv3 which has an explicit IP and patent grant clause (as the ALv2 has). So there is no war between FSF and ASF but exactly the opposite.
It's easy to say it was an overreaction, but imagine what would have happened if one of the planes would have crashed into the ocean or even worse into populated areas?
THEN they would have not only sued aeronautic control centres for letting them fly but also a lot of people would have died.
Having studied law myself I can honestly say that a pretty huge amount of advocates are dicks which only want to make as much money out of anything as they can.
From the 'old' RISC cores, there are only 3 really alive, and all of them mainly in the ÂC area:
.) Power (lot used in the automotive area from Motorola) .) MIPS (R3000 aka 3k for 32 bit and R4000 aka 4k for 64 bit) .) Acorn (remember the Archimedes?) ARM 7 and 9 cores which are now used in most handset devices.
(translation:
yes I know, I should have informed officials before it eats all our universe, but it's so convenient - don't need to carry down our trash anymore.)
Oh yes, and Jesus already told us:
"it is easier for a camel book to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich client man to enter the kingdom of Code"
Intel and AMD are using different production technologies for their dies.
For what i know, AMD is using IBMs SOI (Silicon On Insulator) which has much less drain current and therefor is much better at the same size. But it seems also more complicated to shrink this technology to 45nm.
Think about what all those TV and MMORPG addicts would do otherwise!
They maybe finally get interrested in politics and start asking questions?
For George its much more comfortable to have them playing games...
1.)
Austria != Australia
In Austria there are NO kangaroos, but the Alps, Mozart, Beethoven, Sissy, Schwarzenegger and the river danube in the middle of europe!
2.)
It should not be "Hans J. Briegal of the Australian Academy of Sciences"
but
"Hans J. Briegel of the Austrian Academy of Sciences"
You are true with your argument. But from a developers point of view, it is most important to not have to change your own code if u dont like!
I do technical project management more than 10 years. In the beginning there were people who know what computers may do - and people (mostly managers who do the 'cash' part) who absolotely do know NOTHING about computers.
And this was very good that way....
Nowadays 'cash' managers do believe they know what programming is about, and permanently try to insist for making technical decissions.
Almost all of this kind of management fuzzis think 'hey we've got mono', 'now lets do all things cheaply with Windows and then port them to Unix'
Most 'normal' manager really believe, that Microsoft.net programs may run 1:1 on Linux, HP-UX, AIX or whatever, and that's the really bad part about mono...
and thats not bad.
Consider, that java is not only the language itself, but also the whole environment!
And thats the real big difference to mono. Java may run on any Computer since 92' till 2050, without need to take care of what Microsoft will change in 2 years.
groovy is really cool.
It is a mixture between Java and Ruby!
You can use all Java JAR libraries and if you take care it is completely OS- and platform-independant.
Almost all of the OS-methods invoked by an application process also runs under the same process handle on the same processor like the main program (apart from using HURD, Mach or QNX!)
SMP would only save perfocmance if there are OS background tasks like a http server or a virus scan. But those would also heavily punish your hard disk, so it is not worth it for a gamers engine.
But if u need a professional working horse it should work very nice. Also remember, that a server program that runs unter SMP should ALWAYS be testet on a SMP station.
Preemptive multitasking with a single processor simply cannot show all runtime problems that may exist if real multitasking situations occur.
And this goal is to heavily increase the people going to his website or accessing his services.
So it is quite an analogy to the tax system! They import something and we export something.
If we can not stop their imports, then we have to stop the resulting exports!
Oki, to get more acurate: The european and american hoster are no problem, they can be sued to bancruptcy. For all other countries: Lets collect all urls of the advertising companies and block them. The major internet firms like google, yahoo, msn and most important the big internet providers like aol, etc should block the ip of those companies.
This is like the ordb (open relay black list) but in a reverse manner.
An simple example:
A chinese company xxx is spamming around doing some advertising for some of their pages.
If this ip will be blocked within a day by most ISP's, then nobody will show their pages. This way, spam mails will be incredibly less rentable and the number of spam mails will significantly drop
But it is currently not possible to patent trivia things! The current law is more like an analogy to the copyright of written books. So it is currently NOT possible to simply copy a software programm, and it is NOT possibly to infringe a patented mechanism!
Remember that one of the most important patents - the mpeg layer 3 better known as mp3 - is from Germany, from the Frauenhofer Institute. And they were already able to protect their discovery with an european patent.
So all people who compare europe with the copy-all situation like practiced in some parts of asia simply speaks bullshit!
So if anyone claims that is is possibly to clone Windows in europe SIMPLY LIES!
On the other way it would be practically impossible for to simple single person to code a small piece of software without being frightend to be sued by a large company.
2 days ago there was a conference/meeting against software patens - and guess what: the main speaker was an american programmer: Richard Stallman himself!
best regards,
strub
vienna, austria (mozart but NO kangaroos)
The Dirac Impulse is one of the really great mathematical figures.
Think of an impulse with 1 Watt power in an infinite short time. Thus you have an infinite high peak level and an infinite rampant slope.
If u analyze a dirac impulse with FFT (fourier transformation) you will also get infinite harmonics. In other words it will consist of every possible frequency.
This would be really impressive if the power will be taken from the kinetic of the person who wears the shoe. This is nowadays std-technology for watches, so why don't they use similar tricks for their shoes?
The energy produced by a walking human being above 50kg should be more then enough.
> Actually, MS developed the initial versions of Terminal server, and sold the code and license off to Citrix.
I think you are wrong here.
MS licensed the rights of the windows 'kernel' to Citrix. Citrix then at first developed a multiuser kernel out of the original MS kernel.
And this multiuserkernel has been licensed back by MS and have been used as base for Win2k and the following MickySystems.
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You have no idea.
The problem is that the Java spec says you only get all the IP and patent licenses granted if you pass the TCK in 6 months time from releasing a beta. But you have no way to access the TCK if Oracle doesn't give it to you! And despite Suns promise to do so, they refused to give it to us (nor to anyone else who doesn't sign a completely restrictive NDA and Field of Use restriction).
Fazit: even if the code is under GPLv2, you cannot simply fork OpenJDK currently! (At least not without getting your pants sued off you)
Ross and I recently talked with the chief of the FSFE at a conference and showed him the Java spec and Java TCK license wording and the problems with that. He promised us to talk with RMS about it because the might use the word GPL in the TCK-license in a misleading way. Btw, there is a good reason why there is now a GPLv3 which has an explicit IP and patent grant clause (as the ALv2 has). So there is no war between FSF and ASF but exactly the opposite.
LieGrue,
strub
It's easy to say it was an overreaction, but imagine what would have happened if one of the planes would have crashed into the ocean or even worse into populated areas? THEN they would have not only sued aeronautic control centres for letting them fly but also a lot of people would have died. Having studied law myself I can honestly say that a pretty huge amount of advocates are dicks which only want to make as much money out of anything as they can.
seems like /. is having a unicode problem? ;)
ÂC -> uC -> micro controller
yes, and also AMD made them: Am29000
.) Power (lot used in the automotive area from Motorola)
.) MIPS (R3000 aka 3k for 32 bit and R4000 aka 4k for 64 bit)
.) Acorn (remember the Archimedes?) ARM 7 and 9 cores which are now used in most handset devices.
From the 'old' RISC cores, there are only 3 really alive, and all of them mainly in the ÂC area:
Most conversation is nowadays done per email, and most docs are generated.
When do you really need a printout of a document which is not actually generated or written in DocBook or another format resp. not sent per email?
Maybe some contract or FAX, but it's not that commonly used as it was a decade ago where we wrote virtually everything using a Wordprocessor.
black hole remindes me... http://nichtlustig.de/toondb/081110.html
(translation: yes I know, I should have informed officials before it eats all our universe, but it's so convenient - don't need to carry down our trash anymore.)
> All the rest I learned from the camel book.
Oh yes, and Jesus already told us: "it is easier for a camel book to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich client man to enter the kingdom of Code"
or: they moved it to cover up the US Flag on the moons surface?
Intel and AMD are using different production technologies for their dies. For what i know, AMD is using IBMs SOI (Silicon On Insulator) which has much less drain current and therefor is much better at the same size. But it seems also more complicated to shrink this technology to 45nm.
Think about what all those TV and MMORPG addicts would do otherwise! They maybe finally get interrested in politics and start asking questions? For George its much more comfortable to have them playing games...
1.)
Austria != Australia
In Austria there are NO kangaroos, but the Alps, Mozart, Beethoven, Sissy, Schwarzenegger and the river danube in the middle of europe!
2.)
It should not be "Hans J. Briegal of the Australian Academy of Sciences"
but
"Hans J. Briegel of the Austrian Academy of Sciences"
Read more at the University of Innsbruck/Austria page:
http://homepage.uibk.ac.at/homepage/c705/c705114/
You are true with your argument. But from a developers point of view, it is most important to not have to change your own code if u dont like!
.net programs may run 1:1 on Linux, HP-UX, AIX or whatever, and that's the really bad part about mono...
I do technical project management more than 10 years. In the beginning there were people who know what computers may do - and people (mostly managers who do the 'cash' part) who absolotely do know NOTHING about computers.
And this was very good that way....
Nowadays 'cash' managers do believe they know what programming is about, and permanently try to insist for making technical decissions.
Almost all of this kind of management fuzzis think 'hey we've got mono', 'now lets do all things cheaply with Windows and then port them to Unix'
Most 'normal' manager really believe, that Microsoft
for the ones who got me wrong. The part that made me laugh is
Free in combination with (tm)
Because of a lawers view, a trademark is for making something CLOSED and only useable for the trademark owners.
From a philosophers view this is a really great antidigma (opposite to tautology)!
THAT is really funny ;)
and thats not bad.
Consider, that java is not only the language itself, but also the whole environment!
And thats the real big difference to mono. Java may run on any Computer since 92' till 2050, without need to take care of what Microsoft will change in 2 years.
groovy is really cool. It is a mixture between Java and Ruby! You can use all Java JAR libraries and if you take care it is completely OS- and platform-independant.
Almost all of the OS-methods invoked by an application process also runs under the same process handle on the same processor like the main program (apart from using HURD, Mach or QNX!)
SMP would only save perfocmance if there are OS background tasks like a http server or a virus scan. But those would also heavily punish your hard disk, so it is not worth it for a gamers engine.
But if u need a professional working horse it should work very nice. Also remember, that a server program that runs unter SMP should ALWAYS be testet on a SMP station.
Preemptive multitasking with a single processor simply cannot show all runtime problems that may exist if real multitasking situations occur.
And this goal is to heavily increase the people going to his website or accessing his services.
So it is quite an analogy to the tax system! They import something and we export something.
If we can not stop their imports, then we have to stop the resulting exports!
Oki, to get more acurate: The european and american hoster are no problem, they can be sued to bancruptcy. For all other countries: Lets collect all urls of the advertising companies and block them. The major internet firms like google, yahoo, msn and most important the big internet providers like aol, etc should block the ip of those companies.
This is like the ordb (open relay black list) but in a reverse manner.
An simple example:
A chinese company xxx is spamming around doing some advertising for some of their pages. If this ip will be blocked within a day by most ISP's, then nobody will show their pages. This way, spam mails will be incredibly less rentable and the number of spam mails will significantly drop
LieGrü,
strub
www.struct.at
But it is currently not possible to patent trivia things!
The current law is more like an analogy to the copyright of written books. So it is currently NOT possible to simply copy a software programm, and it is NOT possibly to infringe a patented mechanism!
Remember that one of the most important patents - the mpeg layer 3 better known as mp3 - is from Germany, from the Frauenhofer Institute. And they were already able to protect their discovery with an european patent.
So all people who compare europe with the copy-all situation like practiced in some parts of asia simply speaks bullshit!
So if anyone claims that is is possibly to clone Windows in europe SIMPLY LIES!
On the other way it would be practically impossible for to simple single person to code a small piece of software without being frightend to be sued by a large company.
2 days ago there was a conference/meeting against software patens - and guess what: the main speaker was an american programmer: Richard Stallman himself!
best regards, strub
vienna, austria (mozart but NO kangaroos)
> MS pioneered it long ago.
Damn!
Maybe Microsoft is having a patent on patenting interfaces?
The Dirac Impulse is one of the really great mathematical figures.
Think of an impulse with 1 Watt power in an infinite short time. Thus you have an infinite high peak level and an infinite rampant slope.
If u analyze a dirac impulse with FFT (fourier transformation) you will also get infinite harmonics. In other words it will consist of every possible frequency.
This would be really impressive if the power will be taken from the kinetic of the person who wears the shoe. This is nowadays std-technology for watches, so why don't they use similar tricks for their shoes? The energy produced by a walking human being above 50kg should be more then enough.
I think you are wrong here. MS licensed the rights of the windows 'kernel' to Citrix. Citrix then at first developed a multiuser kernel out of the original MS kernel. And this multiuserkernel has been licensed back by MS and have been used as base for Win2k and the following MickySystems.
there are 2 different mechan1sm for ip handling in WinNT
a) berkley core that can be programmed via the std C libraries sys/socket.h (bind(), listen(), accept(),..)
b) a WindowMessage based system that uses ad a) internally via a wrapper. This one is used by most of Win programms.
This explains the different delay times.
But if you look closer from the outside to a version > WinNT 4.0 SP2 you will get nearly the same response like the BSD branches of those times does.
best regards,
strub