It's kind of hard to pick sides in tribal warfare with each side doing unto each other over the years. A brutal dictator on the other hand...
So that's your argument? "We didn't liberate France right away." Yes, of course, you're right. America is the Great Satan and just wants to rule the world with an iron fist. How could I have been so blind? Thank you, moonbat.
Diplomacy failed with Iraq. They were given every opportunity. Now, after decades of state sponsored rape and torture, children imprisoned and buried alive, whole villages nerve gassed, etc., etc., ad nauseum; someone finally says "enough" and does something about it (thank you U.K., Australia, Poland, and the rest). And the socialist asshats all over the world spring to the defense of poor old Saddam, citing such luminary and level-headed allies as France and Russia as the "Voice of Peace."
It boggles the mind. It really does. Look, German, they (the Muslim extremists) hate you. They want to kill you. They are your sworn enemies. To them you are a beer-swilling, porn-corrupted, BMW driving Christian who must die or submit to Allah. The USA is not your enemy. Just because we have the firepower doesn't make us Imperialistic. We give the countries back after we conquer (in case you haven't noticed, you're still speaking German; and no offense intended, your people were extremely difficult opponents and almost had us whipped) We don't need Iraq's oil, we don't want everyone to have a McDonald's unless they fucking well want one. We want to drink beer, grill steaks, watch the kids play... maybe play a little baseball. With all of you. We want peace. But we damn sure ain't gonna stand around while innocents get slaughtered and call it peace.
...if Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair are lying, they're not alone. They're part of a vast conspiratorial network of liars that includes U.N. weapons inspectors and reputable arms control experts both inside and outside government, both Republicans and Democrats.
Maybe former CIA director John Deutch was lying when he testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee on Sept. 19, 1996, that "we believe that [Hussein] retains an undetermined quantity of chemical and biological agents that he would certainly have the ability to deliver against adversaries by aircraft or artillery or by Scud missile systems."
Maybe former defense secretary William Cohen was lying in April when he said, "I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons. . . . I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out."
Maybe the German intelligence service was lying when it reported in 2001 that Hussein might be three years away from being able to build three nuclear weapons and that by 2005 Iraq would have a missile with sufficient range to reach Europe.
Maybe French President Jacques Chirac was lying when he declared in February that there were probably weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and that "we have to find and destroy them."
Maybe Al Gore was lying when he declared last September, based on what he learned as vice president, that Hussein had "stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Finally, there's former president Bill Clinton. In a February 1998 speech, Clinton described Iraq's "offensive biological warfare capability, notably 5,000 gallons of botulinum, which causes botulism; 2,000 gallons of anthrax; 25 biological-filled Scud warheads; and 157 aerial bombs." Clinton accurately reported the view of U.N. weapons inspectors "that Iraq still has stockpiles of chemical and biological munitions, a small force of Scud-type missiles, and the capacity to restart quickly its production program and build many, many more weapons." That was as unequivocal and unqualified a statement as any made by George W. Bush.
Clinton went on to insist, in words now poignant, that the world had to address the "kind of threat Iraq poses . . . a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists . . . who travel the world among us unnoticed." I think Bush said that, too.
So if you like a good conspiracy, this one's a doozy. And the best thing about it is that if all these people are lying, there's only one person who ever told the truth: Saddam Hussein. And now we can't find him either.
Just like there is a law in Germany that you can't tell lies about how the Holocaust never happened.
You just said a mouthful right there. There's a world of difference between outlawing child abuse and outlawing speech. That would not happen here in the US.
Germany is walking right back into the Statist quagmire that spawned Hitler and you don't even know it. Y'all better start haulin' back on the reins of your bureaucrats real hard...
The free people in the rest of the world also need to stay vigilant. We have a lot of work to do here in the U.S. to keep the government on its leash.
Sorry, I'm not afraid to make value judgments on cultures. If your culture is anti-intellectual, highly authoritarian, unfair based on race, religion or gender, brutal in law-enforcement... then I think Western civilization is better, thank you very much. I know it's very hip and even normal among the University crowd to be anti-West despite all the comfort and freedom it gives us, but I no longer buy that crap.
How do you propose to get rid of these thugs? By dropping supplies at them? By somehow convincing them to let their poor citizens have said supplies and let us give them a proper education?
That won't work. How about use our military to force a regime change? No, that would be "Imperialism".
You make no attempt to understand the many different cultures and circumstances that people worldwide are put through
I understand that those cultures and the circumstances they create SUCK and need to be changed.
What would you do if some "thug with a gun" came and pointed his weapon at you? You would be forced to follow him.
No, I would do what he says until I had a chance to disarm him or alert the police who would then proceed to disarm him or shoot him if necessary, then get him proper medical attention and send him to a small cell filled with hulking sodomites where he belongs. What, you say some countries don't have a trustworthy police force? Well, some cultures just suck that way...
This "thug" controls the media and the schools, so it is very easy to brainwash a population into believing whatever they want.
Seems like you have a poorer opinion of these people than I do. It's not easy to brainwash someone to behave in ways that go against their beliefs. It's their culture of hatred and submission that lets these things happen.
It's the very "liberal" politics that you seem to support that create these subsidizations of domestic industries to protect "the worker", so I'm not sure what your point is there. Perhaps our government should keep a tighter rein on the corporate "exploitation" of poorer countries, but they don't really have any authority in those countries; are they supposed to just outlaw multinationals?
Most conflicts in the developing world are the result of social inequality and environmental degradation. Remove those problems and often the problems will go away.
I agree, and I think they better get working on it before it gets any worse. Bombing them with food and clothing isn't going to help.
And how long would we have to meet these needs? Would this include getting 3rd world countries to stop wasting time killing each other, spreading AIDS, dumping garbage and sewage in the streets and rivers, rallying around the latest thug with a gun that claims he is their savior? Or would it just allow them a couple of years to have a few more kids to add to the problem?
Real change needs to happen from within, and can only happen when the people are willing to work for it. No amount of relief is going to make a difference in the long run against superstition and bigotry.
Would this be a suitable platform to use as a base for experimental operating systems? Like, embed a lisp system and base all the higher-level OS functions on lisp?
Nowadays, FVWM has "COOL" features like antialiased text, rotated text, text drop shadows, text outline shadow (I've never seen text outline shadow anywhere else), semi-transparent widgets, etc, etc.
Unfortunately, most of the users seem to be extremely design-impaired / color-blind, so most of the screenshots on the web are ass-ugly. But don't let that stop you, people. You can make it look however you want.
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Hear Hear!
I even have the same second and third favorites as you! We're practically brothers! heheh...
Probably because most of us play video games and are also non-violent (other than self-defense, of course; I doubt there are many true pacifists among the geek). Most of us also know a lot of people who play video games and have yet to see them turn aggressively violent.
Not counting the occasional grade school fight, every fight I've ever been witness to has been started by jocks or "trash" (of any skin color)... none of them seemed like the video-game playing type;-)
Emperor penguins (for example) have a maximum land speed of 1.7 mph as they waddle along. Underwater they have an admittedly impressive (for the amphibious) and graceful max speed of 15 mph. I never did understand that quote. Perhaps the only time Linus has actually seen a penguin it had just been shot out of a cannon? Maybe it was strapped to the roof of a Mustang... Or could it have jumped off a 20 story building, forgetting for a moment that its wings are useless for aviation?
Democracy is the mistaken belief that more than half of the people are right, more than half of the time.
You're sig is accurate, but unfortunately almost all the other forms of government scan something like this: X is the mistaken belief that a small handful of people are right, and have the interests of the majority of citizens in mind, more often than once in a while.
most of the time programming or web design is fundamentally just another skilled trade
You're one of those guys whose algorithms always come out O = n^2, aren't you?
Being a "skilled technician" isn't enough when you need to write scalable software. And if you don't need scalability, you're probably better off with Excel/Access than a "programmer".
Knowing how to get around an Office suite, writing simple web sites and doing basic trouble shooting have nothing whatsoever to do with Computer Science and were never "in the realm of". Computer Science is the study of the mathematical basis of the whole concept of computers, and the application of those maths to existing or theoretical systems (if you're lucky / good enough to be in systems R&D). Any languages or tech skills you acquire along the way are incidental. "C Programming" is to "Computer Science" as "TV Repair" is to "Electrical Engineering". "Writing a simple web page" is to "Computer Science" as "Programming your VCR" is to "Electrical Engineering."
Computer technology has always been a tool, very seldom a business model (only for systems software / hardware companies). Most programmers work on in-house software for unrelated fields (e.g. I am a systems programmer/analyst for a concrete and aggregates company).
In short, no offense intended, I think your post is nonsense.
Does anyone know why the lameness filter keeps triggering on my name?
Perhaps the lameness filter is set to trigger on a combination of "Linux" with one of a list of "dirty words", and "mick", being sometimes used as an ethnic slur, is on that list?
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"Mingus Ah Um" Charles Mingus
"Bitches Brew" Miles Davis (early acid jazz, very unnerving)
Try some big band stuff, you can't go wrong with anything by Duke Ellington.
You're definitely going to need some Thelonius Monk, John Coltrane, and Billie Holiday.
You know what? All of that oil money is going to go to the Iraqi people, and then you're going to find something else to moan about.
What does a bloodthirsty tyrant have to do nowadays to earn the hatred of the Lefties? Vote Republican?
It's kind of hard to pick sides in tribal warfare with each side doing unto each other over the years. A brutal dictator on the other hand...
So that's your argument? "We didn't liberate France right away." Yes, of course, you're right. America is the Great Satan and just wants to rule the world with an iron fist. How could I have been so blind? Thank you, moonbat.
Who sold them their weapons?
Diplomacy failed with Iraq. They were given every opportunity. Now, after decades of state sponsored rape and torture, children imprisoned and buried alive, whole villages nerve gassed, etc., etc., ad nauseum; someone finally says "enough" and does something about it (thank you U.K., Australia, Poland, and the rest). And the socialist asshats all over the world spring to the defense of poor old Saddam, citing such luminary and level-headed allies as France and Russia as the "Voice of Peace."
It boggles the mind. It really does. Look, German, they (the Muslim extremists) hate you. They want to kill you. They are your sworn enemies. To them you are a beer-swilling, porn-corrupted, BMW driving Christian who must die or submit to Allah. The USA is not your enemy. Just because we have the firepower doesn't make us Imperialistic. We give the countries back after we conquer (in case you haven't noticed, you're still speaking German; and no offense intended, your people were extremely difficult opponents and almost had us whipped) We don't need Iraq's oil, we don't want everyone to have a McDonald's unless they fucking well want one. We want to drink beer, grill steaks, watch the kids play... maybe play a little baseball. With all of you. We want peace. But we damn sure ain't gonna stand around while innocents get slaughtered and call it peace.
Groundless? Get your head out of your ass!
I think Robert Kagan said it best:
I think you just did.
Just like there is a law in Germany that you can't tell lies about how the Holocaust never happened.
You just said a mouthful right there. There's a world of difference between outlawing child abuse and outlawing speech. That would not happen here in the US.
Germany is walking right back into the Statist quagmire that spawned Hitler and you don't even know it. Y'all better start haulin' back on the reins of your bureaucrats real hard...
The free people in the rest of the world also need to stay vigilant. We have a lot of work to do here in the U.S. to keep the government on its leash.
Sorry, I'm not afraid to make value judgments on cultures. If your culture is anti-intellectual, highly authoritarian, unfair based on race, religion or gender, brutal in law-enforcement... then I think Western civilization is better, thank you very much. I know it's very hip and even normal among the University crowd to be anti-West despite all the comfort and freedom it gives us, but I no longer buy that crap.
How do you propose to get rid of these thugs? By dropping supplies at them? By somehow convincing them to let their poor citizens have said supplies and let us give them a proper education?
That won't work. How about use our military to force a regime change? No, that would be "Imperialism".
I guess I just don't understand your logic.
You make no attempt to understand the many different cultures and circumstances that people worldwide are put through
I understand that those cultures and the circumstances they create SUCK and need to be changed.
What would you do if some "thug with a gun" came and pointed his weapon at you? You would be forced to follow him.
No, I would do what he says until I had a chance to disarm him or alert the police who would then proceed to disarm him or shoot him if necessary, then get him proper medical attention and send him to a small cell filled with hulking sodomites where he belongs. What, you say some countries don't have a trustworthy police force? Well, some cultures just suck that way...
This "thug" controls the media and the schools, so it is very easy to brainwash a population into believing whatever they want.
Seems like you have a poorer opinion of these people than I do. It's not easy to brainwash someone to behave in ways that go against their beliefs. It's their culture of hatred and submission that lets these things happen.
It's the very "liberal" politics that you seem to support that create these subsidizations of domestic industries to protect "the worker", so I'm not sure what your point is there. Perhaps our government should keep a tighter rein on the corporate "exploitation" of poorer countries, but they don't really have any authority in those countries; are they supposed to just outlaw multinationals?
Most conflicts in the developing world are the result of social inequality and environmental degradation. Remove those problems and often the problems will go away.
I agree, and I think they better get working on it before it gets any worse. Bombing them with food and clothing isn't going to help.
Maybe you should actually read the article. One of the goals is to reduce the weight of the equipment from 100+ pounds to 50 pounds.
And how long would we have to meet these needs? Would this include getting 3rd world countries to stop wasting time killing each other, spreading AIDS, dumping garbage and sewage in the streets and rivers, rallying around the latest thug with a gun that claims he is their savior? Or would it just allow them a couple of years to have a few more kids to add to the problem?
Real change needs to happen from within, and can only happen when the people are willing to work for it. No amount of relief is going to make a difference in the long run against superstition and bigotry.
Would this be a suitable platform to use as a base for experimental operating systems? Like, embed a lisp system and base all the higher-level OS functions on lisp?
Nowadays, FVWM has "COOL" features like antialiased text, rotated text, text drop shadows, text outline shadow (I've never seen text outline shadow anywhere else), semi-transparent widgets, etc, etc.
Unfortunately, most of the users seem to be extremely design-impaired / color-blind, so most of the screenshots on the web are ass-ugly. But don't let that stop you, people. You can make it look however you want.
Hear Hear!
I even have the same second and third favorites as you! We're practically brothers! heheh...
A way to get mules that doesn't involve getting a horse drunk enough to jump a donkey!
Probably because most of us play video games and are also non-violent (other than self-defense, of course; I doubt there are many true pacifists among the geek). Most of us also know a lot of people who play video games and have yet to see them turn aggressively violent.
Not counting the occasional grade school fight, every fight I've ever been witness to has been started by jocks or "trash" (of any skin color)... none of them seemed like the video-game playing type ;-)
Emperor penguins (for example) have a maximum land speed of 1.7 mph as they waddle along. Underwater they have an admittedly impressive (for the amphibious) and graceful max speed of 15 mph. I never did understand that quote. Perhaps the only time Linus has actually seen a penguin it had just been shot out of a cannon? Maybe it was strapped to the roof of a Mustang... Or could it have jumped off a 20 story building, forgetting for a moment that its wings are useless for aviation?
You're sig is accurate, but unfortunately almost all the other forms of government scan something like this: X is the mistaken belief that a small handful of people are right, and have the interests of the majority of citizens in mind, more often than once in a while.
You're one of those guys whose algorithms always come out O = n^2, aren't you?
Being a "skilled technician" isn't enough when you need to write scalable software. And if you don't need scalability, you're probably better off with Excel/Access than a "programmer".
Knowing how to get around an Office suite, writing simple web sites and doing basic trouble shooting have nothing whatsoever to do with Computer Science and were never "in the realm of". Computer Science is the study of the mathematical basis of the whole concept of computers, and the application of those maths to existing or theoretical systems (if you're lucky / good enough to be in systems R&D). Any languages or tech skills you acquire along the way are incidental. "C Programming" is to "Computer Science" as "TV Repair" is to "Electrical Engineering". "Writing a simple web page" is to "Computer Science" as "Programming your VCR" is to "Electrical Engineering."
Computer technology has always been a tool, very seldom a business model (only for systems software / hardware companies). Most programmers work on in-house software for unrelated fields (e.g. I am a systems programmer/analyst for a concrete and aggregates company).
In short, no offense intended, I think your post is nonsense.
Not quite true... there are always jobs for nurses.
Does anyone know why the lameness filter keeps triggering on my name?
Perhaps the lameness filter is set to trigger on a combination of "Linux" with one of a list of "dirty words", and "mick", being sometimes used as an ethnic slur, is on that list?
Except a bonobo is not a monkey... chimps are apes, monkeys have tails.
Of course, the theorem could be changed to "Given an infinite amount of primates...", but that one has already been proven (sans typewriter.)
Oh my!
I can't afford it, but thanks for the info. That's good news, indeed.