Most companies can't afford the 36-72 hour downtime it requires to pull the multi-terrabyte database from tape back onto the SAN. And while backup to disk greatly speeds this up, it still takes a bit of time to restore multiple terabytes of data, even disk to disk.
That's why there's usually San replication on high availability environments.
The cost of even 1 minute of downtime is devistating.
Which is why for any large corpate system, particularilly trade information or other valuable data, it's usually spread over multiple data centers over multiple SAN's.
Where we worked we had two massive data centers that had data replication between the SAN's using specific zoning.
One at our location. One about 10 states away.
A San, for all intents and purposes, IS fully redundant in every conceiveable way. You can not, however, protect against three things.
1) Murphy's Law 2) Human Stupidity 3) Act of God
That way, short of having a nation wide catastrophy, you protect against #2 and #3 by having multiple data centers with different sets of people maintaining each location.
There's no current method of protection from #1.
Any person who has their entire reliance set upon a single San not only doesn't understand how a San works, but doesn't understand System Architecture and should look to find a new career.
Actually, xchat isn't on my Slackware distribution for what it's worth.
Not that I use ICQ/Other much anyway, as it tends to be a security hole.
And when I do use it, it's chrooted to a protected account anyway.
Feel free to infect my chrooted jail all you want. Really:)
That's the biggest issue that I think a lot of Linux advocates are saying is the big difference between Windows and Linux.
Both don't protect against absolute incompetence, but if you're going to be boned, get boned on Linux. Most people who get boned on Linux won't be boned as root and as such, other than loosing personal information won't have to go through the pain of a completely reformat and reinstallation.
Per the warranty agreement, HP states that software is given 'as-is' and they have limited to no support for any software on it.
The only section for free or open source software (which included the OS by the way) states they won't cover support (lets say this together) of the SOFTWARE.
In no way does it say they refuse to help with the HARDWARE.
Personally, I would take HP over the coals for this, because it's evidently AGAINST their warranty unlike what you currently believe.
Maybe you should re-read that warranty of yours. And maybe get glasses.
-=> Give me a story where grandma bought a computer and installed linux and has it running for a few years without any problems, then we'll talk.
How about a story where grandma bought a computer and installed windows and has it running for a few years without any problems, then we'll talk.
Oh wait, that's right, windows comes pre-installed so good dear ol' grandma doesn't have to worry about it. The pc 'just works'.
Hum. So hey, here's a thought. Get a prebuilt linux pc and give it to grandma, so that the linux version can 'just work' as well. And yes, they sell them.
-=>The way I see it is, the mass gaming market is going to adopt Vista, and that's the way MS are going -=>to force it down our throats. And I can't see any way out of it....
Actually, I thought of this as well. I gnashed my teeth, I kicked the cat, I chewed on the tail of the dog, then I realized 'ya know, if I wanted to play games that badly, I can probably just go out and get a PS3 or Wii'.
And if I need my gaming fix, that's precicely what I'll do.
At least until they screw that market up as well, then I'll probably do something productive, like go outside.
I hate to break it to you, but most financial institutions where you do sysadmin work, you deal with the quality assurance group, the business team, or heaven forbid, the sales team in defining how the systems are set up and in what ways they get upgraded.
So you have the choices of:
1) Do it the way you're told to do it, knowing full well it's going to bork. 2) Do it your way which you know is the right way, knowing full well you'll be called on it regardless of the outcome and likely get written up or layed off because of it. 3) Find a new job and quit.
20+ years in the sysadmin industry, and it's not changed.
You do run across the rare companies that actually give a damn about the sysadmin, but most of the time, lube up, because they won't bother to kiss you first.
Except that out of the box, Linux has a better chance of 'just working' with existing hardware than Windows XP.
Glad you have those driver CD's. What if you didn't? If it's a network card XP doesn't handle, frankly you're shafted unless you have another box you can download them from.
Linux? Yea, you have the same issue, more so with wi-fi, but you're guarenteed a much better driver support out of the box than with Windows, which is a big plus in my book, especially when the hardware you use doesn't have the driver CD's and you're short on time.
For proper buildouts, easy to just make snapshot images and push them off. Works just as well with Windows and Linux. All it takes is setting up right the first time.
For upgrading though, Linux all the way. Never had a problem upgrading, regardless of the version difference. With windows, upgrades, while they may work, has been nothing but headaches that tend to require me to do reinstalls later because of things just being buggy.
Regedit/cleaners helped, but sometimes it just doesn't work. And when it just doesn't work in windows, why of course you can just bring up a debugger and pull up the source and find out what's causing the issue if there's no technical help for it... oh wait... that's right, Windows doesn't have that:)
It's good that you do file bug reports. Not many do. Frankly, a lot of people just piss and moan.
I file bug reports as well, with any application I use. Weither it's open source or closed source like IE and Microsoft. They can't fix what they don't know.
I have however browsed pages with flash, inbedded sound, mp3 or other applications and I've indeed have similiar symptoms to you on some sites, yet other sites I have no problems at all. It makes me wonder if the issue is with the enbedded media or how its enbedded. I did the most I could, I took a snapshot of the page design, sent that as a bug report, the url in question, and as much of the page design as I could gather. Hard to say, I'm not a web designer by trade.
As for the comment about 'why should a user search for a solution for software that's expected to work?'. Why should a user expect everything to work perfectly all the time? There's reasons that there's technical forums to help people with problems. You don't have hundreds of thousands of lines of code, or even hundreds of millions of lines of code, and expect it bug free, across every possible hardware configuration, every possible driver version, every possible concurrently running virus software, spyware, or anything else running, and snap your fingers and say 'perfect!'. Anyone assuming thusly is as much a 'hardcore fanboy' as anyone else, if for nothing else than they REFUSE to accept reality.
Also, I never claimed you made anything up. I claimed that it was no supporting evidence, which frankly there wasn't (and to be blunt still isn't).
Me? I accept reality. Each situation requires different outlooks and it's expected for every person to have at least enough common sense and intelligence to ask a simple question of 'Why?'.
If that makes me a rabid hardcore fanboy or pathetic, then I sir gladly accept that mantle.
Better that then a blind idiot who can't wipe their own ass.
1) They are so rabid about what they use they see no other alternatives. 2) They deal with people who are so dense that they don't want to hear the other alternatives.
Frankly, it didn't sound much like #1 here.
My view? If you're having bloat and crashes, and expect people to actually care, how about providing some documented cases (like oh, I don't know, the current memory usage that microsoft/linux/os2/other says your brouser is taking), then maybe listing what plugins your firefox is currently using? Otherwise, if people can't reproduce it, they do tend to take the more paranoid route and call foul and that it may possibly be made up.
Because, see, I can make stuff up too!
I use firefox and it turned my computer pink and made blood spit out of the screen!
I think i'll use IE. It only makes it cough up phlim. Phlim I can deal with, but blood?
Unless someone can 1) Verify that this indeed happens or 2) Have proof that it did happen, most people on the internet tend to think that 3) it's total bs or at the very least unlikely.
So while I can perceive that the brouser can bloat and eat up your resources, I can also perceive that my monitor can rain blood on the user. If you want people to take you seriously (as by your reaction you apparently do) then how about provide some facts to backup your claims?
I myself don't see firefox taking up more than 120M of resources, on either Linux or Windows
-> Windows Task Manager -> firefox.exe myusername 09 117.072K
I don't blame the media, at least for the existance. Only for continuance. I don't tend to watch much of the news as it tends to be bias or filtered in one form or another.
I just base what I see with my own eyes.
I do see good parents and I do see good children. And I always make a note to mention this to both children and parent when I see it, because with everything I see, I honestly don't see this as often as I see the bad.
So while I fully agree with you that there are good parents, and good children, the fact of the matter is it's the bad parents and bad children that I was, and continue, to address.
And if people took responsibility for their behavior, then the parents who are at fault would have no concern to worry as they would no longer be in the catagory of having to worry about this to begin with.
Funny how that works.
So while I appreciate your viewpoint of the good in life and society, I must discount your presumptions of my own viewpoint being bias based on media.
I call it as I see it, and to date, I've not seen much good.
If what I see changes, then so will my viewpoint. That's how it's going to be.
Because everywhere I go, I see children misbehaving, destroying public property, going into stores and not only playing with merchandise they haven't purchased, but removing the possibility of others having a useable merchandise because of their actions.
And parents just looking on like zombies waiting for the next brain.
So if you arn't surrounded by these types of people, then my congratulations to you on a good community. I, and I'm sure many others like me, don't have that advantage.
Then frankly the parent gets help if they're not capable of doing it.
The fact the parents can at least recognize there's an issue says something.
If the parent then does everything humanly possible, within their power, to help the child, and those authorities in power recognize this fact, then yes, the parents should not be accountable.
But how many parents do you know actually will go to these extremes to help their children and not just sit back and say 'oh, let someone else deal with my child, because I give up'.
And frankly, that's the problem I'm seeing in today's wonderful society.
Yes... yes... for example microsoft has caused me the loss of hours a day just waiting for it to boot and defrag the disk because they never bothered to think of this before making their product.
I think we have a billion dollar lawsuit here waiting to happen!
Yes... we'll charge them... (puts pinky to lip) One BIIILLLIOOON dollars...
Personally, I'm waiting for the lawsuit that will charge the parents for the crime of the child.
As long as the child is under their care, and under their supervision, I think it's about damn time the parents start to take responsibility for their actions (or for that matter, their inactions) that precipitate a lot of these 'misfortunes'.
Charge a few parents with conspiracy or marking them as accomplaces would start to make a lot of these parents realize where the fault truely lies.
For those parents who say 'my child is just uncontrollable' or 'we can't watch them all the time!' I call bullshit. You have the child(ren) with you half a day, every day. If you can't identify signs of your child being some homocidal asshole, then frankly you shouldn't be a parent to begin with.
There's government sponsered methods (some free) that help problem youth out. I suggest these parents to spend the money on their children, and not the damn lawyers for once.
Yes, for we all know it's much better for new politicions who are currently wheeling and dealing with everyone around them to be able to survive the shark infested waters of politics and are willing to kiss, scrape, and bend over to anyone in seniority than it is to have an old shark in the pool who's already played all these games and no longer has a need to.
So, we have the young and corruptable, or the old and corrupted.
Solution is probably to remove all political parties and hire a bunch of 'the common people', but that also won't work as the economy would take a nose dive and any political agenda would be shirt-tailed.
Whatever we do, it's not like we have a choice. Just grab the jar of vasaline.
"... Maybe learn how to use windows? If that were truly the case, there would be far, far, far more outcry than there is. It's stable (not secure), that's all there is to it. Instability is more often caused by 3rd party drivers..."
--- Really? How about this. Give someone a home built system, fresh harddrive, then give them a WinXP/2000/2003 CD/DVD, then hand them a Linux (or BSD) CD/DVD, and have them install. My guess they will be frustrated with both equally, most likely moreso with Windows because they don't have the existing driver support usually on the installation CD/DVD.
The issue is what you just labeled. 'Maybe learn how to use windows?'. When 99% of every system is sold with an OEM version of windows (where you don't have the original CD's to reinstall if you lose or corrupt the system mind you) how many people out there using it can you seriously say know how to 'use it'? Or really give a rats ass on bothering to learn?
Yet these are the same people who piss and moan about Linux being 'evil' or 'hard to learn'. Rather funny how that works.
Fact is, if you 'know how to make Windows work' you're still rebooting it every few weeks, if for nothing else than patching. And sorry to say, this DOES constitute down time. Linux (and most unix systems) don't need to be rebooted for the patches (barring kernel upgrades which happen in a blue moon).
Or better yet, do (what most people do) and have windows auto-update you. Always a fun thing when a patch partially fails and you're left with an unstable system. Oh that's right, just boot in single user mode, restore previous session (if you're lucky) or maybe uninstall it and cross your fingers that things wern't overwritten, because it shows in a log exactly what files were touched with the patch so you can recover from it, right? Oh yea, it doesn't.
For crashes? Try running multiple applications that are highly CPU intensive at the same time. Then talk to me again on how stable windows truely is.
Of course, the direct opposite of this that people fail to either fully grasp or comprehend is that if said bank robber was not stopped, the next bank they rob he'll have more civilians, more people with guns, more demands, and use civilians as better shields and cover because (lets say this together people) it worked so well the first time.
Is the bazooka approach better? Probably not. But letting them go isn't an option either.
Anyone have a better solution to stop this and cost minimal lives instead of just bitching like an impotent grandfather please, by all means, raise your hand.
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Most companies can't afford the 36-72 hour downtime it requires to pull the multi-terrabyte database from tape back onto the SAN. And while backup to disk greatly speeds this up, it still takes a bit of time to restore multiple terabytes of data, even disk to disk.
That's why there's usually San replication on high availability environments.
The cost of even 1 minute of downtime is devistating.
Which is why for any large corpate system, particularilly trade information or other valuable data, it's usually spread over multiple data centers over multiple SAN's.
Where we worked we had two massive data centers that had data replication between the SAN's using specific zoning.
One at our location. One about 10 states away.
A San, for all intents and purposes, IS fully redundant in every conceiveable way. You can not, however, protect against three things.
1) Murphy's Law
2) Human Stupidity
3) Act of God
That way, short of having a nation wide catastrophy, you protect against #2 and #3 by having multiple data centers with different sets of people maintaining each location.
There's no current method of protection from #1.
Any person who has their entire reliance set upon a single San not only doesn't understand how a San works, but doesn't understand System Architecture and should look to find a new career.
Actually, xchat isn't on my Slackware distribution for what it's worth.
:)
Not that I use ICQ/Other much anyway, as it tends to be a security hole.
And when I do use it, it's chrooted to a protected account anyway.
Feel free to infect my chrooted jail all you want. Really
That's the biggest issue that I think a lot of Linux advocates are saying is the big difference between Windows and Linux.
Both don't protect against absolute incompetence, but if you're going to be boned, get boned on Linux. Most people who get boned on Linux won't be boned as root and as such, other than loosing personal information won't have to go through the pain of a completely reformat and reinstallation.
Painful as hell, but not a total loss.
I'd be more concerned with them root kitting the in-memory applications.
sure, very hard, near impossible, but the key word is 'near' here.
Frankly put, long as it's on the internet, it's hackable if someone has enough reason.
Simple server-side solution? Frames and a scroll wheel. Ooo, difficult.
How about:
If you can't provide content we want to see, we won't go to your site even if it IS free?
I think that's the point that was made quite clear that you seemed to ignore as well.
All I said is maybe you should get glasses.
But if you want to call names, mr anal intruder boy, you can re-quote what you just said.
In what way does that DENY THE PERSON THE WARRENTY or in anyway DENY the warranty.
it does not, which frankly makes my point valid, and you smelling like shit.
Go thee hence and flush thyself.
Really?
# 1
Find it please and quote it.
I'm sure everyone here will be more than happy about the exact line that states something like:
Adding or removing any software outside of this, including a new operating system officially bones you without any ability of pre-applying vasaline.
In fact, here, let me help you: http://h40059.www4.hp.com/warranty/support/tc.php
Per the warranty agreement, HP states that software is given 'as-is' and they have limited to no support for any software on it.
The only section for free or open source software (which included the OS by the way) states they won't cover support (lets say this together) of the SOFTWARE.
In no way does it say they refuse to help with the HARDWARE.
Personally, I would take HP over the coals for this, because it's evidently AGAINST their warranty unlike what you currently believe.
Maybe you should re-read that warranty of yours. And maybe get glasses.
-=> Give me a story where grandma bought a computer and installed linux and has it running for a few years without any problems, then we'll talk.
How about a story where grandma bought a computer and installed windows and has it running for a few years without any problems, then we'll talk.
Oh wait, that's right, windows comes pre-installed so good dear ol' grandma doesn't have to worry about it. The pc 'just works'.
Hum. So hey, here's a thought. Get a prebuilt linux pc and give it to grandma, so that the linux version can 'just work' as well. And yes, they sell them.
There, we've talked. Have a nice day.
-=>The way I see it is, the mass gaming market is going to adopt Vista, and that's the way MS are going
-=>to force it down our throats. And I can't see any way out of it....
Actually, I thought of this as well. I gnashed my teeth, I kicked the cat, I chewed on the tail of the dog, then I realized 'ya know, if I wanted to play games that badly, I can probably just go out and get a PS3 or Wii'.
And if I need my gaming fix, that's precicely what I'll do.
At least until they screw that market up as well, then I'll probably do something productive, like go outside.
You switch jobs a lot. Don't you.
I hate to break it to you, but most financial institutions where you do sysadmin work, you deal with the quality assurance group, the business team, or heaven forbid, the sales team in defining how the systems are set up and in what ways they get upgraded.
So you have the choices of:
1) Do it the way you're told to do it, knowing full well it's going to bork.
2) Do it your way which you know is the right way, knowing full well you'll be called on it regardless of the outcome and likely get written up or layed off because of it.
3) Find a new job and quit.
20+ years in the sysadmin industry, and it's not changed.
You do run across the rare companies that actually give a damn about the sysadmin, but most of the time, lube up, because they won't bother to kiss you first.
Or more appropiately...
:)
Real sysadmins rip out and redo servers because our bosses who have no clue make us do it
Except that out of the box, Linux has a better chance of 'just working' with existing hardware than Windows XP.
:)
Glad you have those driver CD's. What if you didn't? If it's a network card XP doesn't handle, frankly you're shafted unless you have another box you can download them from.
Linux? Yea, you have the same issue, more so with wi-fi, but you're guarenteed a much better driver support out of the box than with Windows, which is a big plus in my book, especially when the hardware you use doesn't have the driver CD's and you're short on time.
For proper buildouts, easy to just make snapshot images and push them off. Works just as well with Windows and Linux. All it takes is setting up right the first time.
For upgrading though, Linux all the way. Never had a problem upgrading, regardless of the version difference. With windows, upgrades, while they may work, has been nothing but headaches that tend to require me to do reinstalls later because of things just being buggy.
Regedit/cleaners helped, but sometimes it just doesn't work. And when it just doesn't work in windows, why of course you can just bring up a debugger and pull up the source and find out what's causing the issue if there's no technical help for it... oh wait... that's right, Windows doesn't have that
It's good that you do file bug reports. Not many do. Frankly, a lot of people just piss and moan.
I file bug reports as well, with any application I use. Weither it's open source or closed source like IE and Microsoft. They can't fix what they don't know.
I have however browsed pages with flash, inbedded sound, mp3 or other applications and I've indeed have similiar symptoms to you on some sites, yet other sites I have no problems at all. It makes me wonder if the issue is with the enbedded media or how its enbedded. I did the most I could, I took a snapshot of the page design, sent that as a bug report, the url in question, and as much of the page design as I could gather. Hard to say, I'm not a web designer by trade.
As for the comment about 'why should a user search for a solution for software that's expected to work?'. Why should a user expect everything to work perfectly all the time? There's reasons that there's technical forums to help people with problems. You don't have hundreds of thousands of lines of code, or even hundreds of millions of lines of code, and expect it bug free, across every possible hardware configuration, every possible driver version, every possible concurrently running virus software, spyware, or anything else running, and snap your fingers and say 'perfect!'. Anyone assuming thusly is as much a 'hardcore fanboy' as anyone else, if for nothing else than they REFUSE to accept reality.
Also, I never claimed you made anything up. I claimed that it was no supporting evidence, which frankly there wasn't (and to be blunt still isn't).
Me? I accept reality. Each situation requires different outlooks and it's expected for every person to have at least enough common sense and intelligence to ask a simple question of 'Why?'.
If that makes me a rabid hardcore fanboy or pathetic, then I sir gladly accept that mantle.
Better that then a blind idiot who can't wipe their own ass.
Humm... let's break this down.
Why are people Zealots or labeled Zealots.
Usually two reasons.
1) They are so rabid about what they use they see no other alternatives.
2) They deal with people who are so dense that they don't want to hear the other alternatives.
Frankly, it didn't sound much like #1 here.
My view? If you're having bloat and crashes, and expect people to actually care, how about providing some documented cases (like oh, I don't know, the current memory usage that microsoft/linux/os2/other says your brouser is taking), then maybe listing what plugins your firefox is currently using? Otherwise, if people can't reproduce it, they do tend to take the more paranoid route and call foul and that it may possibly be made up.
Because, see, I can make stuff up too!
I use firefox and it turned my computer pink and made blood spit out of the screen!
I think i'll use IE. It only makes it cough up phlim. Phlim I can deal with, but blood?
Unless someone can 1) Verify that this indeed happens or 2) Have proof that it did happen, most people on the internet tend to think that 3) it's total bs or at the very least unlikely.
So while I can perceive that the brouser can bloat and eat up your resources, I can also perceive that my monitor can rain blood on the user. If you want people to take you seriously (as by your reaction you apparently do) then how about provide some facts to backup your claims?
I myself don't see firefox taking up more than 120M of resources, on either Linux or Windows
-> Windows Task Manager -> firefox.exe myusername 09 117.072K
-> Extensions: spoofstick, adblock plus, tab mix plus, nuke anything, noscript.
I've also had it up for 3 weeks.
Ok, that's my proof. Let's see yours?
I don't blame the media, at least for the existance. Only for continuance. I don't tend to watch much of the news as it tends to be bias or filtered in one form or another. I just base what I see with my own eyes. I do see good parents and I do see good children. And I always make a note to mention this to both children and parent when I see it, because with everything I see, I honestly don't see this as often as I see the bad. So while I fully agree with you that there are good parents, and good children, the fact of the matter is it's the bad parents and bad children that I was, and continue, to address. And if people took responsibility for their behavior, then the parents who are at fault would have no concern to worry as they would no longer be in the catagory of having to worry about this to begin with. Funny how that works. So while I appreciate your viewpoint of the good in life and society, I must discount your presumptions of my own viewpoint being bias based on media. I call it as I see it, and to date, I've not seen much good. If what I see changes, then so will my viewpoint. That's how it's going to be.
Then I need to live where you do.
Because everywhere I go, I see children misbehaving, destroying public property, going into stores and not only playing with merchandise they haven't purchased, but removing the possibility of others having a useable merchandise because of their actions.
And parents just looking on like zombies waiting for the next brain.
So if you arn't surrounded by these types of people, then my congratulations to you on a good community. I, and I'm sure many others like me, don't have that advantage.
Then frankly the parent gets help if they're not capable of doing it.
The fact the parents can at least recognize there's an issue says something.
If the parent then does everything humanly possible, within their power, to help the child, and those authorities in power recognize this fact, then yes, the parents should not be accountable.
But how many parents do you know actually will go to these extremes to help their children and not just sit back and say 'oh, let someone else deal with my child, because I give up'.
And frankly, that's the problem I'm seeing in today's wonderful society.
Yes... yes... for example microsoft has caused me the loss of hours a day just waiting for it to boot and defrag the disk because they never bothered to think of this before making their product. I think we have a billion dollar lawsuit here waiting to happen! Yes... we'll charge them... (puts pinky to lip) One BIIILLLIOOON dollars...
Personally, I'm waiting for the lawsuit that will charge the parents for the crime of the child.
As long as the child is under their care, and under their supervision, I think it's about damn time the parents start to take responsibility for their actions (or for that matter, their inactions) that precipitate a lot of these 'misfortunes'.
Charge a few parents with conspiracy or marking them as accomplaces would start to make a lot of these parents realize where the fault truely lies.
For those parents who say 'my child is just uncontrollable' or 'we can't watch them all the time!' I call bullshit. You have the child(ren) with you half a day, every day. If you can't identify signs of your child being some homocidal asshole, then frankly you shouldn't be a parent to begin with.
There's government sponsered methods (some free) that help problem youth out. I suggest these parents to spend the money on their children, and not the damn lawyers for once.
We can rebuild him.
Rebuild him... better... stronger... faster...
Yes, for we all know it's much better for new politicions who are currently wheeling and dealing with everyone around them to be able to survive the shark infested waters of politics and are willing to kiss, scrape, and bend over to anyone in seniority than it is to have an old shark in the pool who's already played all these games and no longer has a need to.
So, we have the young and corruptable, or the old and corrupted.
Solution is probably to remove all political parties and hire a bunch of 'the common people', but that also won't work as the economy would take a nose dive and any political agenda would be shirt-tailed.
Whatever we do, it's not like we have a choice. Just grab the jar of vasaline.
"... Maybe learn how to use windows? If that were truly the case, there would be far, far, far more outcry than there is. It's stable (not secure), that's all there is to it. Instability is more often caused by 3rd party drivers..."
--- Really? How about this. Give someone a home built system, fresh harddrive, then give them a WinXP/2000/2003 CD/DVD, then hand them a Linux (or BSD) CD/DVD, and have them install. My guess they will be frustrated with both equally, most likely moreso with Windows because they don't have the existing driver support usually on the installation CD/DVD.
The issue is what you just labeled. 'Maybe learn how to use windows?'. When 99% of every system is sold with an OEM version of windows (where you don't have the original CD's to reinstall if you lose or corrupt the system mind you) how many people out there using it can you seriously say know how to 'use it'? Or really give a rats ass on bothering to learn?
Yet these are the same people who piss and moan about Linux being 'evil' or 'hard to learn'. Rather funny how that works.
Fact is, if you 'know how to make Windows work' you're still rebooting it every few weeks, if for nothing else than patching. And sorry to say, this DOES constitute down time. Linux (and most unix systems) don't need to be rebooted for the patches (barring kernel upgrades which happen in a blue moon).
Or better yet, do (what most people do) and have windows auto-update you. Always a fun thing when a patch partially fails and you're left with an unstable system. Oh that's right, just boot in single user mode, restore previous session (if you're lucky) or maybe uninstall it and cross your fingers that things wern't overwritten, because it shows in a log exactly what files were touched with the patch so you can recover from it, right? Oh yea, it doesn't.
For crashes? Try running multiple applications that are highly CPU intensive at the same time. Then talk to me again on how stable windows truely is.
So sir, it is I who call bullshit.
Of course, the direct opposite of this that people fail to either fully grasp or comprehend is that if said bank robber was not stopped, the next bank they rob he'll have more civilians, more people with guns, more demands, and use civilians as better shields and cover because (lets say this together people) it worked so well the first time.
Is the bazooka approach better? Probably not. But letting them go isn't an option either.
Anyone have a better solution to stop this and cost minimal lives instead of just bitching like an impotent grandfather please, by all means, raise your hand.