leonardluen, who also happens to be my gardner, is also correct in stating it happens after the fact. the emotional track to decision making is shorter, and faster thant he logical track. this is important, to protect yourself in a fight-or-flight situation. you decide the emotional significance of sensory input before you decide the locial significance. the logical significance is also slower, as it has a lot of previous data to compare too. more study needs to be done on hearing, but all other sences definitly work this way. hearing is a bit different because of how speech recognition works, yet it still works the same as far as speed. You jump from a loud noise way before you logicall decide wether it makes sence to jump. So not only are all of your decisions based on emotion, they are also decided on emotion before you try to justify them with logic.
So, you wrote something logical down. That is a logical statement. But, we are talking about decisions. Why did you decide to write that? Your decision to write that was based upon emotion, like all decisions.
A better example might be this.....Bob decides to buy generic cereal to save money. Seems logical right? It is, but that isn't the reason he made that decision. Our minds simply don't work that way. So, we must dig deeper.
Bob, WHY did you decide to buy the generic.
Bob: Because I wanted to save money
But bob, why did you want to save money
Bob: Because I like to save money.
Why do you like to save money.
Bob: Because it makes me feel secure, and I want to buy a moped. ANd it makes me feel smart.
So, Bob made a logical decision, but the reasoning behind it was not logical at all. It was entirely an emotional decision, backed up by logical. We use logic to reationalize our decisions. It is this understanding that seperates the average joes from the experts in many fields. Especially fields where understanding the customer is important.
He is correct. Every decision the human mind makes is based entirely on emotion. Name a decision you have made, and it can easily be linked to the emotional reason you made it. We rationalize it with logic, but decide based upon emotion. It is simply how the mind works.
These guys must have enabled the BSOD FEATURE. Yes, you can force a BSOD. From WikiPedia...
"Windows includes a feature that can be used to manually cause a blue screen. To enable it, the user must add a value to the Windows registry. After that, a BSoD will appear when the user presses the SCROLL LOCK key twice while holding the right CTRL key"
In all honesty, I have ran a winXp machine for about 2 years now. I run a ton of applications, and use the machine very heavily. I have yet to have a BSOD. Actually, the only lockups I have had are using Firefox, though an update fixed that. Most BSOD instances can be fixed by upgrading drivers. I believe you can even find out which device caused the BSOD by the information on the screen (though it is all greek to me).
Did you just flame yourself?
Sorry, I couldn't resist. I actually thought he flamed himself too, until I saw you flaming yourself. I was really confused!
Which elementary school teachers are you referring to? Those that I know wouldn't have a clue what this was about. Also, they themselves don't give "a shot about technology."
"My god, a decent person with a constructive reply. You're awesome, man. Wish there were more like you."
I am also on this boat. Thanks for the reply.
"I'm not sure where I stand on the concept of America as the policeman/moral-authority of the world." I am also on this boat. I want to be a good guy, superhero nation, the hero to everyone, but it doesn't ever seem to turn out like it should. After 9/11 how many nations did we see sending us aid? How many times has the U.S. led relief efforts, just to find the world ignoring our requests for help.
I am not sure that areas like the middle east can ever be stable, and I am affraid it may be a lost cause. It is quite possible that a total ass dictator would be the only person who could keep the area stable. Think about this, the area is quite desolate, with large quantities of $$$ stored under the earth (oil). Combine this with the clashing cultures of the area, and you have a dangerous formula. Whomever controls the oil, has the $, and is a target. I don't quite see a way around this. I am admittendly undereducated on middle eastern culture though, so hopefully someone smarter than myself can find a ballance.
You are correct, I was just saying that we shouldn't forget that others are suffering, and we shouldn't give credit to Bush for being a hero when it wasn't his intention. Excellent point though.
Excellent point, however Sadam was far from "the most brutal and oppressive dictatorship on earth". Look around, there are many which are worse.
I think one problem Americans have is that it is rare for a nation to say "thank you" for any of their good deeds. It always seems to come back and bite them in the rear.
Also, Sadam was not removed for what it would do for Muslims, he was removed for an alterior motive. The benifit to the people of Iraq is simply a side effect. Either way it is good, I know, but I just wanted to point that out.
I agree entirely. But, in many instances, the governments brain-wash the people into hating another culture. In a country such as ours, yes, we can cause change. Many countries are too far stuck however. Look at the situation in the schools of North Korea right now. Seriously, it will scare the crap out of you. The children are being taught that they will each one day sacrifice their lives to stop the "american nazis". They truely believe this, and will someday die with honor killing americans. It is sad, but true. All of this, yet Bushy decides to invade Iraq, the single nation in the middle east without terrorist connections. The single nation which was following the rules of warfare. Sadam was not nice to his people, and he should die for it, but look around. There is much worse going on around the world, and we are ignoring it.
Here I sit trying to voice my rights, and help us take control of our government, yet even the/. crowd only makes wise cracks about my spelling, ignores the true content, and insists that the US is doing things correctly. Sad indeed.
You are correct, but in many instances it just doesn't work that way. Excellent point though.
Well of course, you are right, but I hope you noticed, but the "bush is evil" part was mostly a final thought, not the content of my reasoning. It was not a 20-minute discussion on why I believe bush is evil, nor was it meant to be debated (although I should have known it would happen). The purpose of the post was to pull the above discussion into something a little more productive, and less "juvenile".
Also, what home-soil terrorist attacks are you referring to? We are more affraid of terrorism now than ever. Terrorism isn't about death, it is about fear and loss of liberty. Bush has spread both. I will not debate this with you, because it is clearly true. I was not trying to propose some sort of multifaceted argument against bush, but was simply pointing out how the previous posters may have entirely missed the boat (or maybe found the wrong boat entirely). I should end every post with "bush is evil", because it distracts people away from the entire purpose of the discussion.
I am also not so sure that Bush has done anything to help protect the "home soil". What benifit would terrorists get from attacking the U.S.? Then people would rally behind bush! They are far better off to kill American soldiers, and inocent civilians overseas. That way we can watch it on the brain box, and talk about how none of us voted for bushy.
Now that I consider it, I think I will stick with being Juvenile. Children have an innocence that I love to watch, and they understand life from a perspective much more pure than adults. If the world was run by children we wouldn't have war, famine, corruption, or evil dictators promoting the growth of Walmart. And, we would all have plenty of legos.
Thank you for pointing this out. I appoligize for being harsh, but I was not a supporter of Clinton. Probably because I was too young to have a clue as to what was going on. I suppose though now I am implying that I currently do have a clue, which arguably isn't correct.
If you will, I never said that Clinton wasn't responsible for anything. I never mentioned him. Also, at what point did I suggest that anyone who spreads terror deserves any sympathy? No, really, find that in my post anywhere!
I never mentioned anything of the like, you simply cannot formulate a logical argument against what I have said.
Heck, look at every responce to what I wrote and you will see a VERY clear pattern. A pattern of ignorance, flaimbait, troll, and jackasses. Nobody can post a reasonable arguement, just ignorance and hatred, which isn't the solution.
If you notice, I was trying to throw blame around where it is deserved, while removing some of the ignorance from the previous posts. How is this bad, I don't know, but ignorance seems to be the sepecialty of the replies against me. Feel free to continue to argue against something I never said, and lets all see how far it gets you.
War is not waged between people, it is waged betwen governments. It is sick attitudes like this, of people deserving to die, that cause terror to begin with. Do you believe the German and Japanese people started the war? Could you for 1 moment consider that maybe the war would not have happened if the German and Japanese governments had been different? Start reading about history and how governments brainwash their citizens into following their wishes. Try reading about the current situation in the education system in N. Korea. Please, educate yourself, this is the only way to stop this ignorant thought process.
True, but lets not include Iraq in "the war on terror". According to the U.S. state department, Iraq was the only county in the middle east which did NOT have any al Qaeda connections. Although I suppose they do now, so I guess we have turned it into a "war on terror". Oh yeah, and lets not forget that we could have killed al Zarqawi in the past, because we knew right where he was and we had had him cornered. This was not our agenda however, so we let him live.
I would also like to point out that a "War" is often defined as clashing armies, or states, or coilitions. Not generally civilians. You cannot have a "war" on terror. War simply spreads more terror. If a people are being oppressed (from their prespective, not ours), they will spread terror against their oppressors. A man is the most dangerous when you take away his hopes and dreams, and from their perspective this is exactly what we have done (I am sure I stole that quote from somewhere). Lets not forget that only one nation has ever used a Nuclear Bomb during warfare, and it was used on civilians, TO SPREAD TERROR!
At least the polls are starting to show that Americans have started to figure out that Bush is evil, however it is too bad it took this long! Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
You my friend, are correct, though I guess your statement is bullshit then too (because you agreed with me). My point (which everyone else seemed to grasp) was that if someone "failed your science quiz", you need to tell them that they will need to work harder to whip the ass of those who have the natural talent. Instead, schools give them empty praise, and refuse to admit that some kids do not have the skills or abilities. If thsoe students want to achieve, they will have to work harder.
"I sure hope you're not a teacher."
I am not, but would like to. And when little Billy sucks at sciene, I am going to respectfully tell him that he sucks at science, and he will need to work harder than some other kids to achieve. It was the same way for myself with art. I enjoyed it, but sucked at it. Though often times, the empty praise given to Billy, well before he begins his science classes, is going to cause his natual reaction to be to give up. He wasn't warned that life will be hard, so when it gets tough, it is time to quit.
On a side note, the teaching profession is difficult to get into unless you conform to what everyone else believes.
We could use about 100 more such politically incorrect studies to be published, correct or not Maybe then we can get past the "everyone is equal" and "anyone can achieve anything" crap which has been holding Americas schools back.
I never did well in art classes, even though I tried harder in that class than others. Other kids just dominated in those classes, yet my teachers claimed that it was all about how hard you worked. Bull Crap! We are each born with a range of potential abilities in each area, and our effort/training determine where in that range we land. We have limits, and we are all different. Some of us just will never be able to draw, and some of us will never be able to handle geometry. Accepting this is critical to helping kids achieve greatness.
Also, when kids fail or really stink at a content area, we need to let them know that they suck! Instead many people want us to give them empty praise, over inflating their ego. Then, later in life, they find out that they cannot achieve anything, and they are not perfect (their peers will point this out). Soon they can be found plotting harm to their peers, and suffering from depression. Hmmm, could it have something to do with their self-image, which our culture and schools built for them?
No spelling and grammar neve were my strong suite either. Sorry for becomming slightly off topic, but I hate political correctness.
I was reading this thread, and am not sure that I see your point. The poster said that the Christian "cult" could and has lasted for a long time, and has always had power. You replied with something about the Christians not always "being in power". If you mean ruling the univers, then you are right, the Chritians have not, are not, and hopefully never will be in power. If you are talking about having power, and existing (like the poster claimed), then certainly the Christians have been in power for a couple thousand years, and their power has grown the entire time. Although their power has not always had the same strenght, and the faith always adapts to the changing customer, the cult itself has carried on for thousands of years.
In short, I think we were talking about a civilization lasting for thousands of years, or possibly a cult/religion, and I think it is clear that it has happened. Civilization is quite simply defined. If you do not believe that the Christian belief hasn't held varrying degrees of power over the last 2000 years, then why does this darn Christian chuch keep calling me and asking me for money? Maybe you should do some reading on the basic history of religion.
This is GREAT news! Finally it will be safe to walk through every area of Chicago.
I guess it boils down to this choice.......
either violent video games cause kids to be violent, or......
violent kids buy violent video games.
Hmmm, I wonder which is more logical? My opinion is that the fault lies in the parenting, though I think most parents don't want to accept this responsibility, so they find the nearest scapegoat (which they purchased for their child).
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leonardluen, who also happens to be my gardner, is also correct in stating it happens after the fact. the emotional track to decision making is shorter, and faster thant he logical track. this is important, to protect yourself in a fight-or-flight situation. you decide the emotional significance of sensory input before you decide the locial significance. the logical significance is also slower, as it has a lot of previous data to compare too. more study needs to be done on hearing, but all other sences definitly work this way. hearing is a bit different because of how speech recognition works, yet it still works the same as far as speed. You jump from a loud noise way before you logicall decide wether it makes sence to jump. So not only are all of your decisions based on emotion, they are also decided on emotion before you try to justify them with logic.
So, you wrote something logical down. That is a logical statement. But, we are talking about decisions. Why did you decide to write that? Your decision to write that was based upon emotion, like all decisions.
A better example might be this.....Bob decides to buy generic cereal to save money. Seems logical right? It is, but that isn't the reason he made that decision. Our minds simply don't work that way. So, we must dig deeper.
Bob, WHY did you decide to buy the generic.
Bob: Because I wanted to save money
But bob, why did you want to save money
Bob: Because I like to save money.
Why do you like to save money.
Bob: Because it makes me feel secure, and I want to buy a moped. ANd it makes me feel smart.
So, Bob made a logical decision, but the reasoning behind it was not logical at all. It was entirely an emotional decision, backed up by logical. We use logic to reationalize our decisions. It is this understanding that seperates the average joes from the experts in many fields. Especially fields where understanding the customer is important.
He is correct. Every decision the human mind makes is based entirely on emotion. Name a decision you have made, and it can easily be linked to the emotional reason you made it. We rationalize it with logic, but decide based upon emotion. It is simply how the mind works.
"6549AD: Tourist trips to the depths black hole #XX9...Roundrip fare only $9999.999 denars."
So, if I put a penny in the bank now, and resist spending it until then, I will be able to afford to go?
How is this troll? How come jokes made against the Bush party are always labeled as troll?
The only reason to take a joke seriously would be if you feared it might be true.
NO, they explode, hehe. Sorry, I can't think about Fluorescent Lights without thinking about this story. It has really impacted me.
These guys must have enabled the BSOD FEATURE. Yes, you can force a BSOD. From WikiPedia...
"Windows includes a feature that can be used to manually cause a blue screen. To enable it, the user must add a value to the Windows registry. After that, a BSoD will appear when the user presses the SCROLL LOCK key twice while holding the right CTRL key"
In all honesty, I have ran a winXp machine for about 2 years now. I run a ton of applications, and use the machine very heavily. I have yet to have a BSOD. Actually, the only lockups I have had are using Firefox, though an update fixed that. Most BSOD instances can be fixed by upgrading drivers. I believe you can even find out which device caused the BSOD by the information on the screen (though it is all greek to me).
So, people should start filing lawsuits against them ASAP. They can no longer say that they don't filter content. Obviously they do! Sue the bastards!
Did you just flame yourself?
Sorry, I couldn't resist. I actually thought he flamed himself too, until I saw you flaming yourself. I was really confused!
Which elementary school teachers are you referring to? Those that I know wouldn't have a clue what this was about. Also, they themselves don't give "a shot about technology."
The nuclear option could create a Balkanized Internet where two computers find different Web sites at the same address.
So what is the difference? Half of my customers using IE have this happen all the time, and they have no clue. Spyware? On my computer?
Yup, and 90.1% of 2nd posts are redundant!
/.ers will find it funny when it happens.
And, 75.2% of modders will mod this as redundant, and 18% of
"My god, a decent person with a constructive reply. You're awesome, man. Wish there were more like you."
I am also on this boat. Thanks for the reply.
"I'm not sure where I stand on the concept of America as the policeman/moral-authority of the world." I am also on this boat. I want to be a good guy, superhero nation, the hero to everyone, but it doesn't ever seem to turn out like it should. After 9/11 how many nations did we see sending us aid? How many times has the U.S. led relief efforts, just to find the world ignoring our requests for help.
I am not sure that areas like the middle east can ever be stable, and I am affraid it may be a lost cause. It is quite possible that a total ass dictator would be the only person who could keep the area stable. Think about this, the area is quite desolate, with large quantities of $$$ stored under the earth (oil). Combine this with the clashing cultures of the area, and you have a dangerous formula. Whomever controls the oil, has the $, and is a target. I don't quite see a way around this. I am admittendly undereducated on middle eastern culture though, so hopefully someone smarter than myself can find a ballance.
You are correct, I was just saying that we shouldn't forget that others are suffering, and we shouldn't give credit to Bush for being a hero when it wasn't his intention. Excellent point though.
Excellent point, however Sadam was far from "the most brutal and oppressive dictatorship on earth". Look around, there are many which are worse.
I think one problem Americans have is that it is rare for a nation to say "thank you" for any of their good deeds. It always seems to come back and bite them in the rear.
Also, Sadam was not removed for what it would do for Muslims, he was removed for an alterior motive. The benifit to the people of Iraq is simply a side effect. Either way it is good, I know, but I just wanted to point that out.
I agree entirely. But, in many instances, the governments brain-wash the people into hating another culture. In a country such as ours, yes, we can cause change. Many countries are too far stuck however. Look at the situation in the schools of North Korea right now. Seriously, it will scare the crap out of you. The children are being taught that they will each one day sacrifice their lives to stop the "american nazis". They truely believe this, and will someday die with honor killing americans. It is sad, but true. All of this, yet Bushy decides to invade Iraq, the single nation in the middle east without terrorist connections. The single nation which was following the rules of warfare. Sadam was not nice to his people, and he should die for it, but look around. There is much worse going on around the world, and we are ignoring it.
/. crowd only makes wise cracks about my spelling, ignores the true content, and insists that the US is doing things correctly. Sad indeed.
Here I sit trying to voice my rights, and help us take control of our government, yet even the
You are correct, but in many instances it just doesn't work that way. Excellent point though.
Well of course, you are right, but I hope you noticed, but the "bush is evil" part was mostly a final thought, not the content of my reasoning. It was not a 20-minute discussion on why I believe bush is evil, nor was it meant to be debated (although I should have known it would happen). The purpose of the post was to pull the above discussion into something a little more productive, and less "juvenile".
Also, what home-soil terrorist attacks are you referring to? We are more affraid of terrorism now than ever. Terrorism isn't about death, it is about fear and loss of liberty. Bush has spread both. I will not debate this with you, because it is clearly true. I was not trying to propose some sort of multifaceted argument against bush, but was simply pointing out how the previous posters may have entirely missed the boat (or maybe found the wrong boat entirely). I should end every post with "bush is evil", because it distracts people away from the entire purpose of the discussion.
I am also not so sure that Bush has done anything to help protect the "home soil". What benifit would terrorists get from attacking the U.S.? Then people would rally behind bush! They are far better off to kill American soldiers, and inocent civilians overseas. That way we can watch it on the brain box, and talk about how none of us voted for bushy.
Now that I consider it, I think I will stick with being Juvenile. Children have an innocence that I love to watch, and they understand life from a perspective much more pure than adults. If the world was run by children we wouldn't have war, famine, corruption, or evil dictators promoting the growth of Walmart. And, we would all have plenty of legos.
Thank you for pointing this out. I appoligize for being harsh, but I was not a supporter of Clinton. Probably because I was too young to have a clue as to what was going on. I suppose though now I am implying that I currently do have a clue, which arguably isn't correct.
If you will, I never said that Clinton wasn't responsible for anything. I never mentioned him. Also, at what point did I suggest that anyone who spreads terror deserves any sympathy? No, really, find that in my post anywhere!
I never mentioned anything of the like, you simply cannot formulate a logical argument against what I have said.
Heck, look at every responce to what I wrote and you will see a VERY clear pattern. A pattern of ignorance, flaimbait, troll, and jackasses. Nobody can post a reasonable arguement, just ignorance and hatred, which isn't the solution.
If you notice, I was trying to throw blame around where it is deserved, while removing some of the ignorance from the previous posts. How is this bad, I don't know, but ignorance seems to be the sepecialty of the replies against me. Feel free to continue to argue against something I never said, and lets all see how far it gets you.
War is not waged between people, it is waged betwen governments. It is sick attitudes like this, of people deserving to die, that cause terror to begin with. Do you believe the German and Japanese people started the war? Could you for 1 moment consider that maybe the war would not have happened if the German and Japanese governments had been different? Start reading about history and how governments brainwash their citizens into following their wishes. Try reading about the current situation in the education system in N. Korea. Please, educate yourself, this is the only way to stop this ignorant thought process.
True, but lets not include Iraq in "the war on terror". According to the U.S. state department, Iraq was the only county in the middle east which did NOT have any al Qaeda connections. Although I suppose they do now, so I guess we have turned it into a "war on terror". Oh yeah, and lets not forget that we could have killed al Zarqawi in the past, because we knew right where he was and we had had him cornered. This was not our agenda however, so we let him live.
I would also like to point out that a "War" is often defined as clashing armies, or states, or coilitions. Not generally civilians. You cannot have a "war" on terror. War simply spreads more terror. If a people are being oppressed (from their prespective, not ours), they will spread terror against their oppressors. A man is the most dangerous when you take away his hopes and dreams, and from their perspective this is exactly what we have done (I am sure I stole that quote from somewhere). Lets not forget that only one nation has ever used a Nuclear Bomb during warfare, and it was used on civilians, TO SPREAD TERROR!
At least the polls are starting to show that Americans have started to figure out that Bush is evil, however it is too bad it took this long! Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
You my friend, are correct, though I guess your statement is bullshit then too (because you agreed with me). My point (which everyone else seemed to grasp) was that if someone "failed your science quiz", you need to tell them that they will need to work harder to whip the ass of those who have the natural talent. Instead, schools give them empty praise, and refuse to admit that some kids do not have the skills or abilities. If thsoe students want to achieve, they will have to work harder.
"I sure hope you're not a teacher."
I am not, but would like to. And when little Billy sucks at sciene, I am going to respectfully tell him that he sucks at science, and he will need to work harder than some other kids to achieve. It was the same way for myself with art. I enjoyed it, but sucked at it. Though often times, the empty praise given to Billy, well before he begins his science classes, is going to cause his natual reaction to be to give up. He wasn't warned that life will be hard, so when it gets tough, it is time to quit.
On a side note, the teaching profession is difficult to get into unless you conform to what everyone else believes.
We could use about 100 more such politically incorrect studies to be published, correct or not Maybe then we can get past the "everyone is equal" and "anyone can achieve anything" crap which has been holding Americas schools back.
I never did well in art classes, even though I tried harder in that class than others. Other kids just dominated in those classes, yet my teachers claimed that it was all about how hard you worked. Bull Crap! We are each born with a range of potential abilities in each area, and our effort/training determine where in that range we land. We have limits, and we are all different. Some of us just will never be able to draw, and some of us will never be able to handle geometry. Accepting this is critical to helping kids achieve greatness.
Also, when kids fail or really stink at a content area, we need to let them know that they suck! Instead many people want us to give them empty praise, over inflating their ego. Then, later in life, they find out that they cannot achieve anything, and they are not perfect (their peers will point this out). Soon they can be found plotting harm to their peers, and suffering from depression. Hmmm, could it have something to do with their self-image, which our culture and schools built for them?
No spelling and grammar neve were my strong suite either. Sorry for becomming slightly off topic, but I hate political correctness.
I was reading this thread, and am not sure that I see your point. The poster said that the Christian "cult" could and has lasted for a long time, and has always had power. You replied with something about the Christians not always "being in power". If you mean ruling the univers, then you are right, the Chritians have not, are not, and hopefully never will be in power. If you are talking about having power, and existing (like the poster claimed), then certainly the Christians have been in power for a couple thousand years, and their power has grown the entire time. Although their power has not always had the same strenght, and the faith always adapts to the changing customer, the cult itself has carried on for thousands of years.
In short, I think we were talking about a civilization lasting for thousands of years, or possibly a cult/religion, and I think it is clear that it has happened. Civilization is quite simply defined. If you do not believe that the Christian belief hasn't held varrying degrees of power over the last 2000 years, then why does this darn Christian chuch keep calling me and asking me for money? Maybe you should do some reading on the basic history of religion.
This is GREAT news! Finally it will be safe to walk through every area of Chicago.
I guess it boils down to this choice.......
either violent video games cause kids to be violent, or......
violent kids buy violent video games.
Hmmm, I wonder which is more logical? My opinion is that the fault lies in the parenting, though I think most parents don't want to accept this responsibility, so they find the nearest scapegoat (which they purchased for their child).