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Hacking the Fluorescent Light

DynaSoar writes "MSNBC reports on an elegant hack performed on the common fluorescent tube. By mixing phosphorescent material with the usual white fluorescent material, American Environmental Products has developed a tube that continues to glow when shut off. Originally intended for submarines, and then used in places where terrorists could disrupt services, they are also perfect for power outages, providing some light so you don't have to thrash around in the dark looking for your candles and flashlights. Since the 'hack' is inside the tube, they can also be removed from their fixtures and carried around, as well as provide light even if they're shattered."

284 comments

  1. Light Sabres ! by cosmic_0x526179 · · Score: 3, Funny

    OMG, all they need to do is put a hard-shield around the glass tube ;P

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    1. Re:Light Sabres ! by cdrudge · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to the end of the article, they've already done it...well...maybe not lightsaber quality but at least enough to survive a hammer impact.

    2. Re:Light Sabres ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      That's just a rubber type coating. It prevents the glass from scattering all over the place, but the glass still breaks. This is nothing new, shatter-"proof" lights are used in many applications.

      It does not prevent the glass from breaking, it just encases the glass so it can't go anywhere and cause injury.

    3. Re:Light Sabres ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nah, all you need to make your own light sabre is some jellied gasoline and some empty fluorescent tubes. What could go wrong?

    4. Re:Light Sabres ! by timmi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So it's basically like the glass of the windshield of your car, (glass with a slightly flexible polymer coating that keeps the tiny shards from flying all over the cabin, right?

    5. Re:Light Sabres ! by Triple+Click · · Score: 3, Funny

      And install speakers that make "vumph" noises. (hey, you find a better way to describe lightsaber sounds)

    6. Re:Light Sabres ! by Rei · · Score: 1

      I'd be more interested in just the opposite: removing the existing coatings. You have a tube designed to take near vaccuum pressures, and dead tubes are viewed as worthless. If anyone can think of a good way to remove the current coating inside the tubes, you take dead tubes (which should be almost free, if not completely free), place a black-painted low-diameter copper pipe with a divider down the center inside it, re-seal and re-evacuate it (fill the tube with a reactive gas and a small amount of a reactant, seal the tube, and heat the reactant to react with the gas), and use it for very efficient solar water heating in cold climates. Heck, it might be cheap enough to justify things like solar air conditioning in a lot of areas. You could either get something like a small Yazaki industrial chiller (or one of their old home coolers), or convert a natural gas chiller.

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    7. Re:Light Sabres ! by It'sYerMam · · Score: 1

      You call yourself a geek? It's obviously a 'vwummm' noise!

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  2. uses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    besides that it's an interesting toy, what would be a real use for common people of this tube?

    -m-m-

    1. Re:uses by ciroknight · · Score: 4, Funny

      Are you kidding? I think if they make it commercially available I'll replace every light in the house with these!

      Glow in the dark lightbulbs is one of the best ideas I've ever heard. Think about when you're leaving a room and someone has left before you and turns out a light. No big deal you can still see. And how about everything that the blurb mentions? So quick to dismiss all of that?

      These things even glow when broken, which is just mega cool. Innovation at its best.

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    2. Re:uses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do I sleep if the thing stays lit?

    3. Re:uses by ciroknight · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't put it in the room where you sleep. Or for that matter your TV room.

      And if you still live with your mom, that could possibly be the same room..

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    4. Re:uses by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      They make great light sabres!

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    5. Re:uses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Set up a Beowulf cluster at home
      2. ...
      3. Profit

  3. Wondering about this hack... by Azadre · · Score: 1

    Aren't fluorescent bulbs the ones that implode if mishandled? I just don't want a face full of glass when the power is out. If I am incorrect, then this hack is awesome.

    1. Re:Wondering about this hack... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aren't fluorescent bulbs the ones that implode if mishandled?

      Incandescent (regular) bulbs implode if mishandled too.

    2. Re:Wondering about this hack... by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      not that i have seen, at work there was a trolly filled with flourescent tubes in the back and of course eventually one was broken, it was just snapped in two, with a few shards but far fewer than any incandescent bulb i have ever seen break. older tubes might shatter but now they are coated with something.

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    3. Re:Wondering about this hack... by BigDogCH · · Score: 1

      NO, they explode, hehe. Sorry, I can't think about Fluorescent Lights without thinking about this story. It has really impacted me.

    4. Re:Wondering about this hack... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. A maintenance guy dropped one in my office just the other day. More correctly, he had leaned it vertically against his ladder with one end resting on the floor. It fell over, and detonated when the other end impacted the floor. I wasn't watching the guy work, I just heard a loud pop, glanced over and saw an expanding cloud of glass fragments in the air, and quickly put my head down and turned away until everything landed

      There were tiny, tiny bits of broken glass EVERYWHERE. I mean, it flew far. We made the maintenance people come in and vacuum, but we're all still happening upon little fragments of glass.

      Considering how long those kinds of bulbs have been in use, and how litigious people are these days, it's a wonder they industry hasn't done anything to make things a little safer-- like maybe coating it with some kind of plastic so it behaves more like a car windshield when it breaks instead of a fragmentation grenade.

    5. Re:Wondering about this hack... by iantri · · Score: 1
      No, that's halogen bulbs like you find in the stand-up lamps. (they typically run 300-400W or so). And the implosion will only occur if they are breach while on; i.e. you hit it with a hammer while it's running or you handle the bulb with your hands (contrary to the instructions) getting skin oil on it causing it to break when it heats up.

      Florescent bulbs just shatter like an ordinary piece of gas.

    6. Re:Wondering about this hack... by TheGavster · · Score: 1

      In the event of a power outage, they are no more likely to do anything than any other flourescent lamp. I mean, sure there's the outside chance of a massive power surge before the outage doing something weird, but in general they're safe unless you treat them like javelins or lightsabers.

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    7. Re:Wondering about this hack... by Ixalon · · Score: 1

      My experience with fluorescent tubes breaking is that they tend to only leave a few large shards. Mind you, I've only had one break on me, when I stood on a £20 brand-new marine aquarium tube barefooted :(

    8. Re:Wondering about this hack... by ColaMan · · Score: 1

      Florescent bulbs just shatter like an ordinary piece of gas.

      For all you people wondering - fluorescent tubes are filled with lower-than-atmospheric-pressure gas - about 0.3% of atmospheric.

      They will pop when broken, however as they're generally a small volume (compared to eg. a TV tube) it's generally not much of a bother. Think about it - there's a gas discharge going on in the tube when it's running. Do you seriously think you can strike an arc over 3 feet long and keep it running in air? Not with the parts you've got in a fluoro light, that's for sure.

      Go look it up at Wikipedia and edumacate yourself :-)

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    9. Re:Wondering about this hack... by mr100percent · · Score: 1

      I'd be more worried about the Mercury vapor that's released when you break a fluorescent light. Mercury can cause brain damage, it's what made the Mad Hatter mad.

    10. Re:Wondering about this hack... by Skater · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've broken hundreds (I used to work in a hardware store, and we'd break old ones to get them in the dumpster).

      They break like any other glass. They're actually quite a bit stronger than people realize - customers would bring them up to the counter and set them down like they were fine crystal, then we'd slap 'em together and wrap them with plastic, flip them around, and do the other end with little concern for breaking (and I've never seen one break that way).

      The trick with these bulbs that once in a while they will shatter with no apparent provocation - we had that happen once with one of the tubes lighting the store. Companies sell clear plastic covers that go over them to contain the glass if it happens (and presumably to provide some protection from something hitting it).

      And, despite their strength, they tend to break at the most unfortunate moments. One time we were replacing every bulb lighting the store, and the only one we broke doing it was one right over the register where customers were standing.

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    11. Re:Wondering about this hack... by DECS · · Score: 1

      Mercury vapor is in... mercury vapor lamps, the stale white lamps used in street lighting. Sodium vapor lamps replaced some of them them, since they provide warmer light.

      Fluorescent lighting runs an arc through a tube of noble gas; it generally refers to argon white light tubes in commercial light fixtures, but is the same principle as neon lighting.

    12. Re:Wondering about this hack... by dbIII · · Score: 1
      I'd be more worried about the Mercury vapor that's released when you break a fluorescent light
      It isn't in fluorescent lights, I suspect you are thinking of mercury vapour lights.
      Mercury can cause brain damage
      It takes more than a few milligrams. That said while I don't really care about broken thermometers or free pools of mercury on a surface the vapour would have more of a chance to get into your system from a mercury vapour light. Many people have worked in close contact with mercury without getting in in their systems for insatnce gold miners. Samual Clemens lost a gold ring due to getting a lot of mercury on his hands (liquid metal embrittlement on the gold) but never showed any signs of mercury poisoning during his life. So long as you treat it like the poisonous liquid that it is and never breath the vapour or ingest the liquid then it just isn't in your system to poison you. Hatters were exposed to the vapour, while gold miners heated the mercury to recover it from condensed vapour in enclosed vessels.

      Like many other people I have mercury in my teeth in the form of an amalgam which is stable at any temperature that will not kill me.

    13. Re:Wondering about this hack... by mink · · Score: 1

      Some do now come with a protective sheath (non removable) around them, you can also buy plastic slip on covers with plastic ends that are effective.

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    14. Re:Wondering about this hack... by mink · · Score: 1

      Buy the ones with green ends, they are low murcury.
      Also dont huff the tubes.

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  4. wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    how do you turn these lights off.

    1. Re:wait a minute... by nxtr · · Score: 2, Funny

      You shoot them out. Oh wait.

    2. Re:wait a minute... by RevengeOfPoopJuggler · · Score: 3, Funny

      They come with a rusty spoon for you to gouge your eyes out with. Clever, really...

    3. Re:wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rent them to ravers.

    4. Re:wait a minute... by DrWhizBang · · Score: 3, Funny

      think "duct tape".

      If the women don't find you handsome...

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    5. Re:wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The answer is in your question. Wait a minute!

    6. Re:wait a minute... by Triple+Click · · Score: 0, Redundant

      You can't. Your only recourse is to tear out your eyes. I forsee this invention as being unpopular.

    7. Re:wait a minute... by kosmicki · · Score: 1

      Aw man, this is gonna make splinter cell 4 REALLY hard.

      *thwip!*

      *tinkle!*

      Sam: ... What the? They are still glowing...

      Guard: I theenk I saw sometheeng moving...

    8. Re:wait a minute... by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 2, Funny

      > how do you turn these lights off.

      Every box of tubes comes packaged with a hammer and a black bag.

    9. Re:wait a minute... by ShakiirNvar · · Score: 1

      C'mon, you just gave the game away, you're not supposed to give the feds the idea to use these lights!
      Guess I'd better find a new hobby ... ah well, saving the world was becoming hazardous to my health ... well my character at least :)

      PS: Splinter Cell rocks

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    10. Re:wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      ... they should at least find you handy.

      Parent should be "+5 Red Green Reference"!

    11. Re:wait a minute... by DJStealth · · Score: 1

      Umm.. if this is for military use, wouldn't they want the option of darkness as a form of camouflage?

      I think a UPS would be a better solution.

  5. Not to be nitpicky... by Exsam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but how is this a hack? I mean its not something we could do ourselves at home and while its really nifty I don't see its overall usefulness to the everyday person for the cost. Wouldn't it just be cheaper to install glow in the dark plastic strips along the hallways and such? Just my $0.02.

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    1. Re:Not to be nitpicky... by ciroknight · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But that'd make your house a little bit too Star Trek-ish for me..

      Hallways would be the best use for these, but also in rooms where you don't want to get stuck if the power goes out, like a storage room or a kitchen.

      It may be cheaper the low-tech way, but damned if it wouldn't look cool.

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    2. Re:Not to be nitpicky... by geeber · · Score: 1

      These were my thoughts exactly. To me the work hack implies a do-it-yourself workaround. None of this applies here.

    3. Re:Not to be nitpicky... by syukton · · Score: 1

      but also in rooms where you don't want to get stuck if the power goes out, like a storage room or a kitchen. ...or a public restroom.

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    4. Re:Not to be nitpicky... by Gunnery+Sgt.+Hartman · · Score: 1

      It's not so much a hack but someone's understanding and implementation of Physical Chemistry. Flourescent bulbs produce light by exciting electrons into the singlet state. Phosphouresence excites them into the triplet state which can produce a lot more light for less energy. That is about the only understanding that I got from that shitty class.

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    5. Re:Not to be nitpicky... by paz5 · · Score: 1

      A few years back i took one of those lights with 4 poles that kind of look over and around and are ment to be screwed into a normal socket and made the same kind of thing. I just filled the space between the four sections with glow in the dark glue. It made for a nice slight green glow after the light was turned off.

  6. So simple by koan · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Why didn't i think of that?

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    1. Re:So simple by MPHellwig · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you never had a watch with a light and glow in the dark strips in it?

    2. Re:So simple by koan · · Score: 1

      Actually I did...it was a radium dial =)

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  7. Old people will freak out by acidradio · · Score: 4, Funny

    While this is a great product, I can see people like my granny going nuts over this. She can't handle the TV anymore (called me because it wouldn't work - I guess it has to be plugged in!), the telephone (has no idea how voicemail works, thinks that I am my answering machine). When lightbulbs exist that won't turn off, that might just be over the top.

    1. Re:Old people will freak out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How old is your granny? Seriously, please watch her, she may be losing it. TV not plugged in? My mother and aunt are 88/90, they are losing it and it is things like that. Does she drive? Cook? Use sharp objects? Keep an eye on her.

    2. Re:Old people will freak out by acidradio · · Score: 1

      My Granny just turned 84 this week. Yes, she is losing it. That's what happens when you get to be that age. Well she is sort of losing it, not all. She does drive and cook. But she does not drive very much (I'd be surprised if it was more than 1000 mi/yr!) and the place she lives serves lunch and dinner. I try and keep an eye on her!

  8. Well, now... by Tiberius_Fel · · Score: 5, Funny

    I am installing these in my fleet of nuclear subs right away! :P

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    1. Re:Well, now... by loyukfai · · Score: 1

      When I sold you the subs I explicitly mentioned in the contract that you cannot replace the lightings with products from competing companies. Also sub #331 is due for refuelling, please contact our maintenance department for updated rates. Thanks again for your purchase!

    2. Re:Well, now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that must have been a joke but then I read that every american has their own SSN...

    3. Re:Well, now... by MemoryAid · · Score: 1

      Why would anyone anonymously submit such a masterful joke?

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  9. Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "...used in places where terrorists could disrupt services,..."

    Nothing like a little shilling for that fat government contract, yes?

  10. Bleh by LearnToSpell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...used in places where terrorists could disrupt services, they are also perfect for power outages...

    Because we all know that terrorist attacks are way more common than power outages. I hate this "War on Terror." It's the major reason for doing anything at this point, and it's not a particularly good one.

    1. Re:Bleh by rustbear · · Score: 3, Informative

      What is this "war on terror" that you speak of? Ahhh... I bet you mean the "struggle against violent extremism"...

      http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/07/26/news/terror .php

      http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/27/opinion/ smith/main712317.shtml

    2. Re:Bleh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Besides, if I'm trying to take down terrorists, I want the lights off. On the off chance that they don't have night vision goggles, darkness is a great cover.

    3. Re:Bleh by computerdude33 · · Score: 1

      No, it's called Debbie.

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    4. Re:Bleh by Blapto · · Score: 4, Funny
      Personally, I prefer "The War Against Terror(ism)." If only for the acronym.

      (You may need to check with a British person/google for a definition.)

    5. Re:Bleh by Xarius · · Score: 1

      I hate this "War on Terror."

      I second that, and propose that we all use the abbreviation that is so fitting:

      TWAT

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    6. Re:Bleh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I perfer the Global War on Radical Muslims, that way people can stratch their heads when I start refering to the glo-WORM.

    7. Re:Bleh by CProgrammer98 · · Score: 1

      London, England Thursday July 7th 2005. Read about it here

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    8. Re:Bleh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What's your point, Vanessa?

      The "worst attack on Britain since WWII" is a blip compared to the war and genocide that happens in other countries and is routinely ignored in favor of giving attention to the "problem" of occasional attacks on the west. The only reason terror against the west works at all is because of the predictably inappropriate response that's predictably elicited from western goverments.

      Get your head out of your ass. If you want to talk about terrorism, point to attacks that are clearly systematic, well-funded, and more common than fucking lightning strikes -- like state-sponsored terror in the Sudan, Baathist Iraq, Colombia, etc. But don't whine about London. It just makes you sound as dumb as the media who over-reported it, unwittingly serving the provinciality of the public and the political needs of western governments, particularly the UK and the US, who have routinely looked aside or aided state-sponsored terror in other countries (in direct conflict with their stated ideologies).

    9. Re:Bleh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much would you like to bet that there has been a power outage somewhere in the world since then.

      Grab a sense of perspective. 30 people died then. 200,000 people die every day. Something like half of them die from starvation, malnutrition, water-borne illness and lack of basic medical care. Many of these people are dying for lack of a few dollars a year worth of food, antibiotics, education and bleach.

      By contrast, the Bush administration appears to be working under the unproven hypothesis that by spending $60,000,000,000 or so per year they can eventually reduce the about 80 deaths per year caused by international terrorism.

    10. Re:Bleh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ehh, beats the war on drugs.

    11. Re:Bleh by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      I thought it was supposed to be a 'war on fear' actually. You know, blow up anything you are afraid of... seems to be what they are doing!

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    12. Re:Bleh by override11 · · Score: 1

      the war on terror is just an excuse for those in power to gather more power to themselves, and to control the masses. Its all bull-shit meant to scare people. Vote for someone other than a GOP.

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    13. Re:Bleh by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      I'd love to see that name translated into Arabic.

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    14. Re:Bleh by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      It's actually a war against a limited group of people in Iraq and Afghanistan. We're still waiting for the Department of Homeland Security and other agencies to hire some actual security experts who might help them to be more effective against terrorists anywhere else.

      I guess that description's too long and not catchy enough.

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    15. Re:Bleh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you, thank you. yes, yes, yes. Glad you got there before me.

  11. lightsabers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lightsabers

    DO IT

  12. Portable -- nice by Vandil+X · · Score: 1, Interesting

    From TFA: "The tubes can even be removed from their fixture and carried around as portable light sources."

    Now this is impressive. Unscrew the bulb/tube and walk with it to safety. Very nice idea.

    "Even if the tubes are shattered by an explosion, the shards will still provide light"

    A smart idea. Also can serve as a sort of "bread crumbs" way for people to explore in dark passageways and find their way back out. Kind of hard to clean up shattered glass tubing.

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    1. Re:Portable -- nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Where's the door? how do I get out of here, it's all dark - Oh fuck, somebody unscrewed all those glow-in-the-dark lightbulbs!"

    2. Re:Portable -- nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re:Portable -- nice by archgoon · · Score: 2, Funny

      You are likely to be eaten by a GRUE.

    4. Re:Portable -- nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not paint the walls with this stuff while we're at it? Any light absorbed into the surrounding environment is otherwise wasted.

      Bring on the Tron hallways! :D

    5. Re:Portable -- nice by Aranwe+Haldaloke · · Score: 1
      Kind of hard to clean up shattered glass tubing.

      I assume you haven't heard of the contraption usually known as "broom."

  13. Lights Out by jdp816 · · Score: 0

    So what do you do when you really do want the lights off? Wait? Geez.

  14. just what I need by egburr · · Score: 3, Funny

    I always wanted a light bulb that I couldn't turn off. I suppose I could just remove the switch and connect the wires, but this solution is so much simpler.

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  15. RTFA already by GoNINzo · · Score: 0, Redundant
    RTFA, and you'll see they cost 5 times what standard tubs cost. I don't see how they could justify that expense. Especially since most people can't reach the ceiling where they are normally mounted. (Though I'm 6'5", I could.)

    I wonder how deadly the chemicals in these are compared to normal tubes as well.

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    1. Re:RTFA already by pavon · · Score: 1

      In several buildings where I have worked, there are a few lights in each (large) room near the exits that cannot be turned off. They are considered safety/security lights, and even remain on when the power is lost (fed by a generator). Something like this could likely be less expensive than the electricity used to keep them on all the time. They would likely give off less light than a normal bulb, so you would need more of them, although the security lights generally run dimmer than normal anyway.

      I definitely agree that you won't see these in the home very often - they are more useful for certain industrial situations, and even there, their cost is such that they won't be replacing all florescent bulbs anytime soon. However, I don't see why they need to be that expensive, and I'd imagine the cost would go down significantly as volume of sales go up.

    2. Re:RTFA already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they'll figure out how to put a bunch of these "tubes" together and construct a series of surfaces people can place their feet on to reach the bulbs. I think there should be multiple surfaces with different degrees of height, because all ceilings aren't the same, called "rungs" or something. I like the name "ladder" for this invention! It's pretty catchy!

    3. Re:RTFA already by GoNINzo · · Score: 1
      Those 'rooms' won't be going away, they will still need generator power. The lighting portion is a tiny fraction of what is done in there normally. Things like fire alarms, emergency response systems, and phones are not going away.

      It really depends on the life of the bulb. If it's super long on the order of years, then it's worth it. But it's a standard bulb life, it's better to stick with normal response equipment.

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    4. Re:RTFA already by imboboage0 · · Score: 1

      5 times what the standard tubs cost? That's alot of money for a light.....

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    5. Re:RTFA already by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      I wonder how deadly the chemicals in these are compared to normal tubes as well.

      Since radium and tritium aren't allowed to be sold in something as fragile as a fluorescent tube, they probably use zinc sulfide as their phosphorescent material. Zinc sulfide MSDS says "Irritant. Harmful if swallowed due to the generation of hydrogen sulfide." You'd have to eat quite a lot of broken tube debris to ingest enough to develop a harmful concentration of H2S gas. Obviously, the glass shards from the broken tube pose a far greater risk than the phosphorescent materials inside.

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    6. Re:RTFA already by atcurtis · · Score: 1

      I wonder how deadly the chemicals in these are compared to normal tubes as well.


      Given that normal tubes have a drop of mercury within them (mercury vapour, when excited, emits UV light which the coating converts to visible light), how "safe" are normal tubes?

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    7. Re:RTFA already by Dun+Malg · · Score: 5, Informative

      After reading the tedious patent, apparently they are using strontium aluminate, not zinc sulfide. The toxicology on strontium aluminate is "This product is non-toxic". It's also reactive only with acids, and doesn't burn. Basically, about as hazardous as dirt.

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    8. Re:RTFA already by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 1

      for the 100th time,it is difficult to compare costs for a commodity item produced in the dekamillions to something new.

    9. Re:RTFA already by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing strontium aluminate - it glows for a much longer period of time than zinc sulfate.

      It's a shame that tritium isn't more widely used in the US. The phosphor and glass container do a pretty good job of mopping up the radiation, and it's reasonably long-lived. Should the container break, the gas dissipates quickly, and because it's so light, it won't settle near the floor of an enclosed space in any real concentration.

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    10. Re:RTFA already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you install ONE tube per important fixture, they become more reasonable.

    11. Re:RTFA already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that strontium IS radioactive (and used in french toothpastes for sensitive teeth, for some reason. French sensodyne brand toothpaste works much better than English sensodyne brand toothpaste, but the English sensodyne brand toothpaste isn't slowly killing you...)

    12. Re:RTFA already by syntaxglitch · · Score: 1

      Yes, but being radioactive alone isn't a big deal. What's the half-life and what type of radiation does it emit?

      Keep in mind that some "radioactive" materials are so harmlessly radioactive (most commonly depleted uranium) that they can be used as radiation shields around stuff that is dangerous.

    13. Re:RTFA already by Dun+Malg · · Score: 3, Informative
      Except that strontium IS radioactive

      No, the isotope Strontium-90 is radioactive. "Regular" Strontium is not.

      (and used in french toothpastes for sensitive teeth, for some reason. French sensodyne brand toothpaste works much better than English sensodyne brand toothpaste, but the English sensodyne brand toothpaste isn't slowly killing you...)

      Strontium chloride is about as dangerous as table salt. You really ought to research things rather than drawing half-baked conclusions from inaccurate data.

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    14. Re:RTFA already by CProgrammer98 · · Score: 1

      This guy isn't worried about glass shards...

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    15. Re:RTFA already by DJCouchyCouch · · Score: 1
      Basically, about as hazardous as dirt.
      holy shit! We should ban dirt before its too late!

      DJCC
    16. Re:RTFA already by deglr6328 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The SrxAlxOx is not the important part though. It is what is DOPED into the strontium aluminate that is important. Note that is says Sr4AL14O25: Eu Dy. That means dysprosium and europium are doped into the matrix of strontium aluminate. THESE are the important dopants which are responsible for the extremely long phosphorescent glow times.

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    17. Re:RTFA already by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      Yes, but being radioactive alone isn't a big deal. What's the half-life and what type of radiation does it emit? Keep in mind that some "radioactive" materials are so harmlessly radioactive (most commonly depleted uranium) that they can be used as radiation shields around stuff that is dangerous.

      Indeed, an important point to be sure. Strontioum-90, though, is a pretty nasty character. Half life of 28.78 years, very high energy beta particle emitter, and it readily substitutes for calcium if ingested, so it sticks in your bones and doesn't leave.

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    18. Re:RTFA already by syntaxglitch · · Score: 1

      Indeed, an important point to be sure. Strontioum-90, though, is a pretty nasty character. Half life of 28.78 years, very high energy beta particle emitter, and it readily substitutes for calcium if ingested, so it sticks in your bones and doesn't leave.

      Thank you for the clarification, and yes that's pretty bad. High-energy beta radiation coming from your bones for decades? Ack. Wouldn't want that anywhere near me.

    19. Re:RTFA already by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

      The human body sees strontium as if it were calcium.

      This could cause harm by being incorporate into bones, used in cell signalling, etc where calcium would be.

      I'm not talking radiation, but the fact it mimics calcium, yet is chemically different.

      There may be a risk, or there may not be. There is at least a theoretical danger.

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    20. Re:RTFA already by mink · · Score: 1

      The only place I have found it is in some emergency exit signs, It may be possible to pay the makers of these to make something like a Glowring (item I'd love to get my hands on).

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  16. reinventing by nozzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is an excellent example of advancing something that we take for granted. Although the idea of carrying one of these is really bad considering the thin glass walls of the tube, as a safety device it makes sense for these to be fitted to shops, warehouses and offices.

    1. Re:reinventing by kosmicki · · Score: 1

      They make one that can be hit with a hammer and not break. I imagine if they are intended to be taken out of the fixture (As in, the purchaser knows that one is accessable) you would get the tough ones. More 'spensive yes, but safer. I know if I had a shop/store I'd want a few of these. Put em right by the front door/counter so you can see to find a way out. (Not every store has emergency lighting.)

  17. Erm.. by Jicksta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Guys, I think the big reason this hasn't caught on already is that it would mean your lights could never be turned off instantly.

    Your room would remain lit up for the few hours it takes for the glowing substance to completely discharge.

    As neat as this feature is, I certainly wouldn't want it in my house.

    1. Re:Erm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it isn't using any electricity who cares whether it goes off instantly? If certain rooms require that then don't use one in it.

      Sheesh.

    2. Re:Erm.. by fbjon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes but it's great for preventing murder mysteries!

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    3. Re:Erm.. by Staplerh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As neat as this feature is, I certainly wouldn't want it in my house.

      Correct, it'd be a horrible addition to a standard house. In some circumstances, where the lights never turn off, this adds another level of safety.

      For example, I work in a bizzare housing complex near a Canadian public university. There are no windows, few doors and in many hallways absolutely zero sources of external light. While we do have emergency lights for power outages, tubes like these would certainly be useful to give confidence that one could count on a very low level of light to navigate within the first hour or so of a blackout.

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    4. Re:Erm.. by nharmon · · Score: 1

      Your room would remain lit up for the few hours it takes for the glowing substance to completely discharge.

      Just anticipate when you need to turn the lights off, and flip the switch a few hours before. :)

    5. Re:Erm.. by JediTrainer · · Score: 2, Funny

      For example, I work in a bizzare housing complex near a Canadian public university.

      This wouldn't be U of Toronto Scarborough Campus, would it? That whole place is a freaking bomb shelter.

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    6. Re:Erm.. by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Your room would remain lit up for the few hours it takes for the glowing substance to completely discharge.

            Ahh but you forget good ol' American know how. See our NEXT patent application is for our "Glo Lite" shield. Press a button and a cover rotates around and covers the light, plunging your room in total darkness. The adapter and shield kit will be available for $399.95 per bulb.

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    7. Re:Erm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol you must work at Simon Fraser. That place is a dark hideous dungeon.

    8. Re:Erm.. by Vagrant · · Score: 1

      For example, I work in a bizzare housing complex near a Canadian public university.

      Let me guess ... the Kingston Penitentiary.

    9. Re:Erm.. by agent0range_ · · Score: 1

      I don't think that homeowners looking to replace bedroom fixtures is the intended use of these. Industrial/commercial installations would benefit from this light in select applications. This isn't a replacement for the common lightbulb.

    10. Re:Erm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right, "It was a dimly lit and stormy night" just doesn't have the same ring to it, does it?

    11. Re:Erm.. by wasted+time · · Score: 1

      Or better yet, combine this idea with the solar/fiber optic light fixtures covered in a recent slashstory and you could almost eliminate the electricity completely. You would then have the added beneift of slowly dimming lights before bedtime.

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    12. Re:Erm.. by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      Well, the only place that I wouldn't want it is my bedroom. It'd be perfectly acceptable, eg, in my kitchen or my office. The idea of having some light in a power outage is pretty cool, as long as these lingering lights don't interfere with my sleeping.

  18. Has to be said... by thewiz · · Score: 4, Funny

    What a bright idea!

    I'll be here all night, ladies and gents!

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    1. Re:Has to be said... by Soul-Burn666 · · Score: 1

      Indeed it's brilliant!

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    2. Re:Has to be said... by boring,+tired · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, if you RTFA it's a pretty dim idea. :)

    3. Re:Has to be said... by EvilMidnightBomber · · Score: 1

      I'll be here all night, ladies and gents!

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  19. Don't they glow already? by marat · · Score: 1

    Many fluorescent lamps already glow long enough in the dark to be annoying. And there are already emergency lights anywhere where terrorists (or natural disaster) can disrupt services, and presumably their batteries last longer, and they are controllable.

    Well probably still a nice idea by itself, unlike using terrorist attack for the marketing.

    1. Re:Don't they glow already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you may not know is that the batteries in many of these emergency lights need to be changed (1 year? 5 years? not sure). So many of these lights no longer work when the power goes out. Check the one in your local McDonnalds, it probably does work anymore, where these tubes would

    2. Re:Don't they glow already? by kosmicki · · Score: 1

      I don't see this as a 'terrorist' thing, I think they are great for just general power outages. As I said somewhere else here, small stores and shops would benefit from these, as those places generally don't have battery powered emergency lights. These have tons of use, pretty much everywhere but residential use really. (Where you want to dark right away so you can sleep or watch a movie.) I imagine once production starts up we will see a price drop after a bit. I hope demand catches on, these are cool.

    3. Re:Don't they glow already? by ColaMan · · Score: 1

      I work underground in a mine - in some places there are access drives a kilometer or so long, lit with fluorescents. A few of these here and there in the chain would be handy in the inevitable power outage.

      Alright, so we have cap lamps as well, but still if I'm stuck somewhere with the power out, I'd want the gentle glow of a fluoro rather than have to use my cap lamp now, and have it possibly go out later in the Real Dark. Which is Bad, and very disconcerting when it happens.

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    4. Re:Don't they glow already? by John+Miles · · Score: 2, Funny
      You forgot:

      All of the electrons in your lamp's strontium phosphor have returned to their ground states.
      You are likely to be eaten by a grue.

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  20. H4XXORZ by nxtr · · Score: 0, Offtopic

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  21. The obvious problem... by qubex · · Score: 1

    The obvious problem I see is that if you switch them off, they keep on glowing. Clearly these are not useful except in a handful of very specific situations.

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    1. Re:The obvious problem... by nozzo · · Score: 1

      yeah specific like . . . submarines! No, seriously though what about pedestrian underpasses? when the juice goes out I don't wanna be halfway through one of those when a power cut hits - imagine ... echoey, very dark, then you hear odd shuffling sounds from behind you and from the drain grates - shudder - like a James Herbert novel!

    2. Re:The obvious problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or how about the subway?

      Folks used their cell phones to find their way out during the blackout. These things would've made matters much easier.

    3. Re:The obvious problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does all a favor and shoot yourself now.

      Your "obvious problem" is it's damn raison d'etre.

    4. Re:The obvious problem... by CProgrammer98 · · Score: 1

      Ummm Dude, That's the whole POINT of TFA - they're DESIGNED to keep glowing!

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    5. Re:The obvious problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well personally i can think of a few million places this would be nice.

      i live in nyc and about every stairwell is lit 24x7 in hundreds of thousands of buildings.

    6. Re:The obvious problem... by qubex · · Score: 1
      Do us all a favour and shoot yourself now.

      What I am saying is that these are useless in home environments, for example, where you'd want to switch the bedroom lights off before sleeping.

      And before you start telling people to shoot themselves, learn to formulate your sentences properly, ok?

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    7. Re:The obvious problem... by mink · · Score: 1

      In the home, they are useful everywhere but where you sleep or maybe entertained by electronic devices.

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  22. It cuts both ways...! by bogaboga · · Score: 1
    ...Originally intended for submarines, and then used in places where terrorists could disrupt services...

    The terrorists could also use the same technology to continue their work after a [US] strike takes out power.

    But the question is whether this is the same science in glow sticks or one Catholic rosary I have seen that glows in the dark.

    1. Re:It cuts both ways...! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But the question is whether this is the same science in glow sticks or one Catholic rosary I have seen that glows in the dark.

      Like the rosary, not the glo-stick. The Glo-stick is a chemlight. The rosary is a phosphorescent light

  23. Simple - a hobbyist could do it! here's how! by MindPrison · · Score: 1

    The idea is clever, and real simple. All you do: 1) Purchase some glow-in-the-dark paint availiable at any common hobby store (not reflective paint, but glo-paint!) 2) Paint your "light stick..." he he ) (that's the neon tube to those of you that actually thought of something else). 3) Make sure you paint around the MIDDLE of the tube and not the contact-areas as the paint probably can catch fire if too close to the hot-coils inside the tube...that is...NOT near the terminals) 4) Now re-insert it into the socket armature. Have fun! It works the same way...it'll glow for hours. Now...you see...the man who invented this...probably did the same, but inside the tube instead....don't try THAT yourself..unless you have some smart way of filling the lamp with neon gas...again...and sealing tight! That's todays lesson for you - Have fun kids!

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    1. Re:Simple - a hobbyist could do it! here's how! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Inside the tube probably works better though, because the light inside the tube is UV and more of it.

  24. Found the patent by GoNINzo · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's more detail on what he's doing with Patent 6,917,154. It's definately not a hack, it's just a new (and obviously expensive) process. Interesting quote:
    The after-glow phosphor of the scotopic after-glow lamp of the present invention is selected with a hyperbolic decay rate dropping to approximately ten (10%) percent of its initial brightness in about six minutes and to one-tenth that in an hour.
    Anyway, read up, interesting stuff.

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    1. Re:Found the patent by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      Ah, I see. They coat the inside of the bulb with large words, rendering it incomprehensible for up to an hour after the power goes out.

    2. Re:Found the patent by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      It's definately not a hack, it's just a new (and obviously expensive) process.

          Yes I see he managed to use his "word for the day", scotopic, about 50 times in the application. That MUST be expensive and highly technological, until you realize that scotopia only means:

      "The ability to see in darkness or dim light; dark-adapted vision."

            So the "scotopic enhanced phosphor" is any phosphor that glows in the dark and lets you see. Nothing new there. As for the hyperbolic decay, this is the normal pattern for any phosphorescent material.

            But I see he had you fooled. You could always get a job at the USPTO. Application approved! NEXT.

          "Yes I want to patent a circumferential device that has a continous working surface that is equidistant to its midpoint and converts angular velocity into translational velocity in a highly efficient manner..."

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    3. Re:Found the patent by The_Wilschon · · Score: 2, Funny

      scotopic

      What? What about SCO? They're suing the inventor of the lightbulb now?

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    4. Re:Found the patent by cmowire · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't call it a new process.

      One of my fellow artists made a tube exactly like the article describes. He just got some after-glow powder, dusted the inside of a neon tube with it, and filled it with neon.

      There's not much of an intuitive leap involved in this. Once you say "Well, I wonder what I can coat the inside of a neon tube with other than a normal phosphor" there's not many answers that come to you.

    5. Re:Found the patent by dnamaners · · Score: 2, Informative

      Heres a brief overview for those that hate to read patent apps.

      The word "scotopic" you seen in the app. refers to reduced illumination or reduced completeness of the wave lengths of light used to make white light. If I have "scotopic vision" it means I can function in low light.

      summary:
      These guys mixed up a set of additional phosphors that that they blended to produce this afterglow effect and tuned ti to be a nice green(sense human eyes are most sensitive to green) so you won't notice the slow reduction of glow over time. The bulbs have about a "hyperbolic decay rate dropping to approximately ten (10%) percent of its initial brightness in about six minutes".


      some of the phosphors used:
      Sr4AL14O25: Eu Dy (powere on phosphor)
      (Sr Mg)3 (PO4): Sn
      Mg WO4: W
      Ca WO4: Pb
      SrO (P2 O5 B2 O3): Eu
      Y2 O3: Eu
      La PO4: Co, Tb
      Sr2 P2 O7: Eu
      Ba Mg2 Al16 O27: Eu


      construction and function:
      Phosphors (I assume many or all of the above but I may be mistaken) are layered up in the tube as a chalky composite material and coated with aluminum oxide to prevent flaking off the walls. The after glow phosphors are coated on the outside of the tube, "the spray-on after-glow phosphor coating is slightly noticeable and causes only a slight decrease in normal lumen output". As someone surmised these phosphors absorb light from the tube as it is powered up and the greater light intensity in the tube is that which makes such a high density of phosphors useful and possible to so highly charge. These may well be similar phosphors to those found in glow plastics but I can not say for sure, however, they do work similarly. These tubes work on the older standard of operation, ie they are the wide mercury containing tubes, not the thin ones that don't have Hg that you have to use in the USA in new installations these days.

      enjoy

    6. Re:Found the patent by heinousjay · · Score: 1

      "Yes I want to patent a circumferential device that has a continous working surface that is equidistant to its midpoint and converts angular velocity into translational velocity in a highly efficient manner..."

      Dude, wow, you're gonna be a gazillionaire!

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    7. Re:Found the patent by krunk4ever · · Score: 1

      i was just going to ask how long it lasts since glow in the dark stuff (although fun) tend to die out within minutes.

      i am curious though, does initial brightness refer to the brightness of original flourescent lamp? or the brightness once the power outtage hits? hitting 10% of the original brightness in 6 minutes doesn't really give us much time and hitting 1% of that in 1 hour is basically useless at that point.

      though an interesting idea, how does this compare money wise with just getting a battery backup for those flourescent lamps? 5x the cost is quite a bit and florescent lamps arent usually cheap.

      another thing is, do we have to integrate it into the lamps themselves? glow-in-the-dark products work by absorbing light and slowing emmiting a glow which is only viewable after it gets dark. would it actually save money to purcahse a glow in the dark product seperate from the lamp and just place it inside or close to the lamp so it can absorb the light?

  25. shards by gcnaddict · · Score: 1

    if the tube breaks, not only can you use the shards for lighting for the next hour or so, you can also easily dispose of the shards too (well duh, theres no lighting and all the pieces of the tube are glowing :P)

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  26. Make them glow in the dark? by ShyGuy91284 · · Score: 1

    How incredibly new! *sarcasm* I think a lot of us had glow in the dark stars when we were kids. What I'm curious about is if they were able to increase the intensity far greater then those glowing pieces of plastic.... Nothing to see here. Move along.

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  27. Extra UV by jfengel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's a serious lack of actual data in the articles, but my suspicion is that by putting glow-in-the-dark stuff on the inside of the tube it benefits from all the extra UV that you get inside the tube.

    A fluorescent lamp glows by discharging electricity into a gas which then gives off UV. The phosphorescent coating inside the tube takes the UV and turns it into light.

    The glow-in-the-dark strips also respond to UV light, but in a way that stores and releases the energy later. You could just put up strips, but only a tiny percentage of the UV light from the tubes would hit them; the rest would leak out into the room. (And they're designed to give off as little UV as possible, since it's unhealthy and wasteful; you want it as visible light.)

    So by effectively putting the UV strips inside the tube, you charge them up when the light is on. You'd have to cover the walls with UV strips to get the same effect outside the lamp.

    For everyday people? Probably not. Not in your home, at least, where you probably want it dark when you turn off the lights. But in office buildings, these could be a nice alternative to the emergency lights that are required in most places. No extra wiring; you just fit fancy bulbs into the existing fluorescent fixtures.

    1. Re:Extra UV by NormalVisual · · Score: 2, Informative

      So by effectively putting the UV strips inside the tube, you charge them up when the light is on. You'd have to cover the walls with UV strips to get the same effect outside the lamp.

      You still won't get a comparable effect - the phosphor and glass envelope does a pretty good job of filtering the UV such that only a fraction is radiated out into the room. Having the phosphor inside the tube exposes it to a *much* higher UV level, and most phosphorescent compounds respond a whole lot better to UV than to visible light. Compare how much brighter a glow-in-the-dark item is after exposure to a UV-rich blacklight vs. a regular incandescent or fluorescent lamp.

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    2. Re:Extra UV by CrazedWalrus · · Score: 1

      For everyday people? Probably not. Not in your home, at least, where you probably want it dark when you turn off the lights.

      I mostly agree with your post, except for this last part. My house is REALLY dark when the lights are out, since there's not a lot of light from outside that would come in through the windows.

      This presents a problem, because I also have two small children, who have a hard time getting around in the dark. We use night lights, but they're about as effective as spitting in a monsoon because of the layout of the house.

      We have to make due, because the only alternative to night lights is leaving 3 60-W hall lights turned on all night (they're all wired together). This 'hack' [sic] is a GREAT thing, since, even at night, you don't necessarily want the WHOLE house dark -- just where you're sleeping. Unfortunately, since the alternative is increadibly uneconomical, that's what we end up doing.

      I didn't RTFA, but assuming that these are reasonably bright, they'd be really effective and economical night lights - great safety feature, and it scares the Boogey Man away to boot!

    3. Re:Extra UV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Replace 3 60W bulbs with 3 10W florescent, and even when on uses 1/2 the power of one of the bulbs alone.

    4. Re:Extra UV by CrazedWalrus · · Score: 1

      Indeed, and I've thought of this. Unfortunately, this brings us to the problem of the unweildy size of the flourescent bulbs (even the cute little light bulb shaped ones that are still 25% bigger than normal bulbs), combined with finite space in the lighting fixtures of rental properties. :-(

    5. Re:Extra UV by mink · · Score: 1

      Forget "glow in the dark" specific items. Just fire up a black light near a TV. Instantly charges the phosphors so when you turn the black light off it looks like you just turned the TV off (that residual slight glow).

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    6. Re:Extra UV by mink · · Score: 1

      Current compact fluorescent are the same size as a light bulb. However, IMO it's best to buy a replacement fixture that uses a circline or u shaped bulb (some are compact fluorescent) style bulb.

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  28. Have had them in Japan for years... by CaptainBogus · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have one in my bedroom here in Japan for the last four years. It is a ring florescent tube that glows like a night light after the light goes out. The light is made by NEC and is called Hotarukku (a play on the word hotaru, which is Japanese for firefly). It seems they launched the product in March 2000. http://www.nelt.co.jp/navi/la_shg/fre_shg.htm (Japanese) gives specs and has some pics showing the room lit with the light on and off.

    1. Re:Have had them in Japan for years... by eck011219 · · Score: 1

      Wow - that's got to be the fastest reply with comfortingly humorous cartoon renderings of Slashdotter's speculations that I've ever seen!

      Personally, these would drive me batty. But I can certainly see the value in them.

      Mostly, though, I like the sea of blinking LEDs when I walk through my dark office on the way to the bathroom in the middle of the night (don't worry - I work at home) - I find it very Star Trekkie and makes me feel like more of a cool dude than I do when the lights are on and you can see my stacks of work and empty Mountain Dew cans. These lights would blow my one moment of self-envy. So I respectfully say, "no thank you," to innovation.

      'Course, in the event of a terrorist attack on my house (which seems to be a disproportionate source of concern around here), my one-man office will be a blind madhouse of chaotic fervor. Good thing it's near the kitchen where I keep a flashlight.

      Or maybe this anti-terrorism application doesn't really apply to me ...

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    2. Re:Have had them in Japan for years... by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

      I visited that site and they also seem to have a special SEX serie ... I wonder if it gives the warm glow that's needed in my bedroom here.

      They also have Fresh, Mild and Relax ... :p

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    3. Re:Have had them in Japan for years... by mikael · · Score: 1

      Mostly, though, I like the sea of blinking LEDs when I walk through my dark office on the way to the bathroom in the middle of the night (don't worry - I work at home)

      You should try and get an Symbol's WS1000 wearable system with a RS1 Ring Scanner

      The main unit fits around the wrist like a skrill from Gene Roddenbury's "Final Conflict" and the finger mounted laser reader gives that Borg like look.

      Amazingly, there was actually a warehouse where the staff went on strike because they were being forced to wear these systems, and resented being made to look like a character from a science fiction movie.

      Personally, I'd prefer a system with 10 laser pointers. Then I could increase my productivity by 1000% and everybody could call me Edward Laserhands.

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    4. Re:Have had them in Japan for years... by keraneuology · · Score: 0

      Of course they have. Didn't you know that it is against the law to file for a patent in the US unless somebody has already been using the idea for years?

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    5. Re:Have had them in Japan for years... by 1010011010 · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, the pictures on this site:
      http://glolux.com/ appear to be the same as on that Japanese site.

      "Invented in Colorado"?

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    6. Re:Have had them in Japan for years... by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Cool, thanks for the tip. I'm off on a trip to Japan later this year. I'll be sure to visit the patent office when I get back so I can steal all the inventions the Japanese have come up with in the last 5 years.

    7. Re:Have had them in Japan for years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have the NEC ones in Australia too.
      I am so sick of marketing bullshit.

    8. Re:Have had them in Japan for years... by Rolan · · Score: 1

      They ARE the same, just someone did a crappy job of scaling the ones on the glolux.com site.

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  29. Sometimes I despair for the world. by crovira · · Score: 2

    This is a solution desperately looking for a problem. It isn't even a good one. It could only work in basements and office buildings, at night, if there are no windows nearby. (I presume you would be able to see your way around by the steady glow of the raging fires shining in through the broken windows.)

    This was indeed a hack and so is the guy.

    Didn't he ever ask himself "Why?"

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    1. Re:Sometimes I despair for the world. by Freexe · · Score: 1

      Something like these would be prefect for the Underground, where power failures leave you completly in the dark and happen fairly offen (normally for only a few seconds)

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    2. Re:Sometimes I despair for the world. by sugar+and+acid · · Score: 1

      Um emergency lighting. Many public places are required to have emergency lighting that is able to continue to give out sufficient light for people to exit the buiding after power has been cut. Currently these lights use separate self-contained units with a lead acid battery and low voltage bulbs. This is a bit simpler and quicker to install, just change the fluorescence tubes.

  30. Cool by broothal · · Score: 1

    Yay. So now I wont need an extension cord when I play with my light saber any more. Because we all play with a light saber now and then, right guys? Guys?

    1. Re:Cool by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Because we all play with a light saber now and then, right guys? Guys?

            Is that what you say you are doing when you are downloading pr0n? Playing with the light-saber eh, you dirty little boy...

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  31. Could this also be used for further energy savings by under_score · · Score: 1

    By turning the light on and off and using the afterglow would it be possible to get a lower overall energy usage?

  32. Gas is *not* harmless ... by jonathanweaver · · Score: 2, Informative

    The vapour in fluorescent tubes is mercury (Hg). Very bad to breathe, and perilous to touch too (unless you wash hard, and even potent cleansers aren't designed to remove heavy metal contamination).

    That's why they need phosphorescent coating in the first place: the excited Hg vapour emits UV, and it's actually the phosphors that 'fluoresce' visible EM.

    Competent safety procedures include vacating the area of a fluorescent bulb break for at least ten minutes, followed by thorough cleanup and HAZMAT disposal of the materials used.

    1. Re:Gas is *not* harmless ... by cloudofstrife · · Score: 1

      Maybe the afterglow of a busted fluorescent light should be interpreted as "Get the hell out of here!" intstead of "Ooh, look at the pretty lights!".

    2. Re:Gas is *not* harmless ... by cswiger2005 · · Score: 1

      mod parent up, but don't be paranoid about florescent bulbs, either. The amount of mercury in a normal 4-foot tube is about 5mg, which is about the same volume as the amount of ink on the tip of a ball-point pen.

      Sure you don't want to break a bulb and inhale the vapors deliberately, sure Hg is toxic, but if you break a bulb, it's not going to kill everyone within 100 feet, either. There isn't enough Hg in one bulb to be that dangerous. Good link here:

      http://www.nema.org/lamprecycle/epafactsheet-cfl.p df

      "Safe cleanup precautions: If a CFL breaks in your home, open nearby windows to disperse any vapor that may escape, carefully sweep up the fragments (do not use your hands) and wipe the area with a disposable paper towel to remove all glass fragments. Do not use a vacuum. Place all fragments in a sealed plastic bag and follow disposal instructions above."

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  33. A solution to the problem by azrane2005 · · Score: 1

    This will work great when the water-based fireplace blows a breaker!

  34. possibilities for energy conservation? by patreek · · Score: 1

    One obvious (at least to me) use for this that no one has mentioned yet is energy conservation. Just turn on your glowing fluorescent light, let it charge up, switch it off, and Ta-Da! you have light without using electricity for about an hour. True, the light is much weaker than standard electric lighting, but it is a step in the right direction.

    1. Re:possibilities for energy conservation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      But where does the energy to ch--

      oh.

      I bow before your mad trolling skillz.

    2. Re:possibilities for energy conservation? by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      You must be the guy that bought that fireplace
        http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/0 5/2244212&tid=126&tid=14

      that uses 4kW to electrolyse tap water to burn "cheaper" hydrogen, eh?

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    3. Re:possibilities for energy conservation? by patreek · · Score: 1

      how is that trolling? you could either... A) Turn your standard 15 watt tube on for 2 hours, get 2 hours of light, use 30 watts. or... B)Turn your glowing 15 watt tube on for 1 hour, get 1 hour of normal light and one hour of weaker glow, use 15 watts.

    4. Re:possibilities for energy conservation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about you just light a candle?

    5. Re:possibilities for energy conservation? by Jaime2 · · Score: 1

      Maybe you missed where the light decreases to 10% brightness in six minutes and 1% in one hour. Good enough to evacuate, but you wouldn't want to work under it. 1% light in a windowless office building would be about the same as an average suburban street without street lights in the middle of the night.

    6. Re:possibilities for energy conservation? by psetzer · · Score: 1

      Well, if it reduces flicker by continuing to glow, then it'd help speed the adoption of fluorescents, saving energy overall.

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    7. Re:possibilities for energy conservation? by Jaime2 · · Score: 1

      Electronic balast flourescents already do that. They flicker at an unnoticable 12KHz or so insted of the 60Hz of old fashioned balasts. They also get more light output from the same power consumption. Any new construction that is trying to be energy conscious is already using them. I have them in my shop at home and I love 'em.

      As for this technology being used for any energy conserving purpose, I'd doubt it. They don't glow white. If they where used to supplement the regular light output, the color would be strange.

      Also, we have a basic physics problem here. In order to be a energy conserving technology, one of two things would have to happen. The new material would have to provide some of it's own energy, or it would have to convert otherwise wasted energy into usable light. Obviously #1 isn't true. As for #2, the material absorbs UV light and emits visible light. That's the same thing that the normal coating on a flourescent light does. So, if it were contributing a significant amount of light during the off phase, it would be absorbing at least as much light during the on phase. That would cause the bulbs to be dimmer and would require more bulbs to get the same light level in the room. There goes the energy savings.

    8. Re:possibilities for energy conservation? by mink · · Score: 1

      That only leads to cursing the glare.

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  35. And this is a hack... how? by durandal61 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A company produces an interesting variation of a product that has been mass-produced for decades, and it's called a hack? And how did you manage to get your shiny new favourite word, "terrorist" in a summary on flourescent tubes? Let me read that again. Interesting story, puerile summary.

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    1. Re:And this is a hack... how? by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      And how did you manage to get your shiny new favourite word, "terrorist" in a summary on flourescent tubes?

            Everyone knows that people who buy incandescent lights are terrorists. Studies have shown that every single terrorist has installed a light bulb at some time in their lives.

            Personally, I applaud people who use the word terrorist for everything. The sooner the word is abused, the sooner people will stop using it and things can go back to normal. If you don't agree with me, then you must be a terrorist too!

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    2. Re:And this is a hack... how? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been using lights like these ever since I moved in to my house 8 years ago, and this is supposed to be some sort of new invention???

    3. Re:And this is a hack... how? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The loose definition of a hack is to take existing ideas/products/protocols and produce something cleverly innovative from them.

      This can clearly be labelled a hack.

  36. For those who missed it... by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    those were filled with petrol

    1. Re:For those who missed it... by mikael · · Score: 1

      They should have used aviation fuel - that's much harder to ignite.

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    2. Re:For those who missed it... by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1

      Nah they shoud'a filled dem with gasoline. Dat petrol stuff is more dangerous than my mamma after finishing a bottle of granpappy's corn squeezins.

  37. Wait a minute... by DrWhizBang · · Score: 1

    does it involve gasoline and soap? 'Cause if so, it's been done and it doesn't work too good.

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  38. Been done - and much cheaper. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go to your local hobby store, buy glow in the dark paint. It is not opaque . . . paint it on your light tube, install . . . and you'll get the same emergency lighting.

    It's also in the anarchist cookbook.

  39. A simple solution by grozzie2 · · Score: 3, Funny
    Executive Summary: Marketing to the traditional 'hot button' market bullets of efficiency and ecological awareness is no longer effective in the marketplace. Recent changes in marketplace mindset require an adjustment in marketing philosophy that will allow for increased margins on traditional commodity items. Initial trials of the new marketing concepts have proven very effective, and an overall shift of marketing strategy is necessary for the company to continue operations.

    Problem: Domestically produced commodity items are no longer cost competetive in the marketplace. Increased competition from overseas manufacturing is producing insurmountable pricing pressure on commodity items. Company is approaching insolvency.

    Solution: Minor cosmetic changes to commodity product manufacturing process. Re-write marketing material to reflect the change, emphasis on the 'terrorist' application. Increase sale price dramatically to reflect the new 'terrorist' application.

    Results: Small increase in sales volume, substantial improvement of product margins. Financial insolvency averted.

    Conclusions: Terrorist hysteria is an effective marketing tool. Properly exploited in the marketing literature, the terrorist hysteria can breath new financial life into any product that is no longer producing adaquate margins through traditional channels.

    Future Risk Analysis: A fundamental shift in marketing strategy brings with it inherent market risks. The major risk of this conceptual change is that the public mindset will begin to discard the 'terrorist threat', rendering increased marketing efforts in this area ineffective. This risk is deemed minimal at this time, the majority of the expenditures required to maintain the public mindset are being undertaken by the federal government, with a virtually unlimited budget for this marketing effort. This paradigm shift by our company is essentially parasite marketing where our relatively small marketing budget is being used to leverage the expenditures of the federal government. This strategy should remain effective for a minimum of one election cycle, so we should see improvements in the bottom line for at least the next 10 quarters. The primary risk moving forward is that the federal government expenditures to promote terrorist hysteria are reduced, with a resultant loss of marketplace mindset for this strategy. This is a relatively small risk moving forward, and partially offset by hundreds of companies such as our own, all focussed on re-working marketing strategies to promote and extend the terrorist hysteria.

    Recommendations: Marketing budget needs to be re-allocated. Television advertising should only be purchased on networks whose news organizations properly emphasize the terrorist threat. The same for print media advertising. The marketing department needs to re-allocate human resources, emphasis on 'product efficiency' needs to be lowered, with appropriate staffing reductions. A new team needs to be established to emphasize the 'security' aspect of the product. A 'threat analyst' should be hired, and put in charge of this new team, who will be responsible for producing white papers emphasizing the 'security' aspect of the product, with particular detail on the 'terrorist' aspect.

    1. Re:A simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod this karma whore up! He worked hard for it.

    2. Re:A simple solution by grozzie2 · · Score: 1

      hahaha. Shoulda posted ac I guess. In reality, it's just some musings over a wake up coffee, but seemed sooooo appropriate...

    3. Re:A simple solution by wings · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, I know marketing and sales people who think and work just like this, and it's scary. It's like deja-vu.

    4. Re:A simple solution by mink · · Score: 1

      I do not believe they even make the tubes. They stole graphics and other things from NEC Lighing's website, who does make tubes as described. Either they are buying them and re-branding them or have stolen web content and tech from another company.

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  40. Pshaw by burtdub · · Score: 0

    MacGyver's known this for years. Why, with just a tub of cottage cheese and a Tickle-me-Elmo he can turn it into a fully functional PS3.

  41. Re:Could this also be used for further energy savi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no, a capacitator needs to be charged and an inductor needs to euh lets call it charged as well

    the load procces takes up most power, besides flouresant light are pretty low in energy usage
    i wonder if this harms the power usage of the lamps
    basicaly the glow in the dark substance is poluting
    the the coating that makes the light visible

    but i'm no electrical engenier

  42. hotaru, the firefly? by serutan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sheesh! Those Japanese have a different word for Everything!

    1. Re:hotaru, the firefly? by keraneuology · · Score: 1

      But what is the japanese word for "slashdotted off the face of the planet"?

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    2. Re:hotaru, the firefly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you, Steve Martin.

  43. Marketing by lanced · · Score: 0

    I can see the marketing dweebs getting their hands on this bad boy. While the lights are on, the room looks normal, proper, clean even. There would be no advertising for the darker culture, the elements that more conservative people abhor.

    But turn off the lights, and all of the sudden you get ads for... well, I'll let your mind wander. Just little logos, or maybe slogans, painted on the inside of the lights that glows for a few hours after the club or restaurant gets 'busy.' Perhaps in a bathroom fixture in an hourly hotel room.

    I suddenly feel my brain shrinking from thinking like a marketer. I'm gonna go wash my hands now...

  44. Efficiency by BarryNorton · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wonder how much the (powered) light output is diminished for a feature that will be used for a vanishingly small part of the useful lifetime of each tube...

    1. Re:Efficiency by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 1

      Only the energy that is lost to heat and such from the absorbemit cycle, which I'm guessing is a vanishingly small amount.

      It's not like the phosphors are a black hole when the light is on and only emit light when it's off. The lights might be dimmed a little bit while they are charging, but once they're saturated, they're going to be emitting and absorbing the same amount of energy continuously.

  45. Now if they could only... by stubear · · Score: 1

    ...make floursecent tubes that emit a decent color and intensity of light I might consider using them.

    1. Re:Now if they could only... by tubabeat · · Score: 1

      In that case you should perhaps try visiting the link in the article to the manufacturers website - as that seems to be their other product.

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  46. sounds familiar? by CloudDrakken · · Score: 0

    By "Colorado Firm" did they mean to say
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla "Nikola Tesla" ?

    1. Re:sounds familiar? by mink · · Score: 1

      It looks to me (and others) that by Colorado firm they mean NEC Lighting of Japan.

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  47. Why is this a hack? by rmo101 · · Score: 1

    It seems that the use of the word 'hack' is sufficient to get any bit of product development on to /. This article is an example of product development, not a hack!

    1. Re:Why is this a hack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a fine hack. Once I've got it installed, I'm gonna hack my oven to cook me some dinner then hack my remote control so I can watch the Simpsons.

  48. bonus: reduced flicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In terms of annoying flicker from fluorescent lights, this will be like adding a capacitor across "noisy" DC current to smooth it out -- fluorescent light will have smoother, more natural look without the headache-inducing flicker.

  49. Uses by tkdog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Possible uses: Nightlights - turn the kids light off and it glows for a while so they go to sleep (you'd still need the little light on the way to the bathroom). Folks are willing to pay extra for baby stuff. 1 out of 5 (or 10) of the lights in a commercial or institutional (esp schools) setting. I was in a cubical farm the other day and the lights went out. A few glowing tubes would have made it much more pleasant for folks to sit around goofing off. Stairways. Hospitals - the one I worked at had to work on rewiring areas to provide emergency lights. This would be cheaper.

  50. Energy Savings by Shashvat · · Score: 1

    This could also be used for energy savings - you don't need to supply power to the lamp continuously. Power off the lamp and still get the illumination for a while. When it gets dim, turn on the power again. Put in a timer circuit and it happens automatically. Assuming you could do a 50% on 50% off cycle, you've automatically doubled the efficiency of the lamp (by reusing UV energy that was otherwise lost).

    The lamp pays for itself. Your energy sources last longer. The world is a better place.

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    1. Re:Energy Savings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't believe you can get away with saying that on slashdot!

      Where do you think the energy to provide the afterglow comes from??

      "In this house,we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"

    2. Re:Energy Savings by VernonNemitz · · Score: 1

      You are overlooking the "overall efficiency" factor. Inside a fluorescent light some energy is wasted. Some goes to make the mercury emit UV. Some, not all, of the UV is absorbed by the flurescent phosphors (some is absorbed by the glass of the bulb). Some of the ordinary light fluoresced is radiated through the glass; some is absorbed by the glass -- and some is radiated inside the tube, toward the (opaque!) fluorescent coating on the other side of the tube. There is PLENTY of opportunity here for phosphorescent materials to collect energy to re-emit when the power is off!

      Next, it might be noted that ordinary AC already fluctuates between max power and zero power; ordinary fluorescent bulbs are already turning on and off rapidly. The parent posting is simply suggesting that with phosphorescent bulbs, a lesser rate can still work (say 30Hz instead of 60hz, and of course a square wave and not a sine wave is specified.

  51. Re:Could this also be used for further energy savi by Nqdiddles · · Score: 1

    That was my first thought on reading the summary. I really hope my boss doesn't read Slashdot today...
    The company I work for actually had a competition a few years back to find the best suggestions for cost-cutting. The person who won the trip to a World Cup Soccer match actually suggested we turn the lights off in the office at night (when there's nobody there!). At the time we all joked that if they hadn't thought of that they evidently had bigger problems than cost-cutting...
    If these lights could be made to provide a higher percentage of the "power on" light, and last for a little longer, I could really see the bean counters going for this.

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  52. Subway? by cei · · Score: 1

    they can also be removed from their fixtures and carried around

    Great!!! My "Christopher Lambert in Subway" Halloween costume is complete!!!

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  53. Erm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If he's still living with his mom I hope tv room means television.

  54. Re: Light Saber by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is exactly the reason we need this technology right now. I am already imagining fluorescent tube light saber battles... oh yeah, come get some of the glowing.

  55. recharable battery by notjim · · Score: 2, Insightful

    cool as this sounds, its over engineered, a recharble battery and battery powered bulb could do the same.

    1. Re:recharable battery by TeknoHog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think this solution is much more elegant than a battery-based one. This has no extra parts compared to a regular fluorescent light, whereas the battery system has several pieces that could break. And a rechargeable battery will go bad over time.

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    2. Re:recharable battery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is already the case.. Some of the light fittings we have in our computer centre come with built in batteries for a power out situation..

  56. I sense... by isny · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I sense a large number of Star Wars related accidents in the not too distant future.

    1. Re:I sense... by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      Hell, in my day I didn't need no fancy new-fangled phosphorescent gizmos to pretend a fluorescent bulb was a lightsaber before breaking it across my brother's nose. Then he sprayed oven cleaner in my eyes.

      And this was before we had been exposed to those dangerously violent video games like Frogger.

  57. It must be said. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a former employee in R&D for American Environmental Products who was wrongfully terminated due to backstabbing politics, I thought it only fair to to take a page out of AEP's own rulebook and play dirty. As such, here are a few projects that are still under wraps for future release:

    1. A faucet that continues to release water after being shut off.

    2. A car engine that won't start on a full tank.

    3. Slashcode that won't accept a submission if it hasn't been posted before.

    What goes around, comes around, AEP. Take that.

  58. An illuminating article indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    about time someone shed some light on this.

    (ducks)

    1. Re:An illuminating article indeed by sagenumen · · Score: 1

      I don't know why, but I'm laughing out loud over this. I wish I had mod points.

  59. No more flickering! by TerranFury · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I hate existing flourescent bulbs. They give me a headache. This phosphor which glows continuously should help to reduce flicker.

    Even a much shorter-lived phosphor would be good: If one could develop a phosphor which decays at about the rate that a lightbulb filament cools down, then we get both flicker-free lighting AND essentially instantaneous turn-off.

    1. Re:No more flickering! by cswiger2005 · · Score: 2, Informative

      A good fluoresent bulb shouldn't flicker, but older ones sure did, and yeah, they give lotsa people headaches.

      The thing is, the older bulbs tended to just have one phosphor (ie, would be either a reddish tint, or a pale blueish tint), and you were supposed to mix and match tubes to have some of both lighting the area to sort of blend into a neutral white.

      Those sort of bulbs look like crap, IMO, but newer tubes combine both phosphors and produce something closer to a normal white light, which is easier on the eyes and a lot less annoying.

      All of this being said, I'd rather use halogen, except for the heat. This being summer and all, a ~20W fluorescent bulb beats the heck out of a 100W incandescent, or a 300W halogen in terms of not heating the room up....

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  60. Well, it has one use by markass530 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As a former submariner, I can attest to it's usefullness on a submarine. The only places that are dark are berthing, and Control, if we are doing night ops. The cost isn't prohibitive on a submarine, so that doesn't matter. There already is a emergency lighting system in place, that runs of the battery on loss of AC, but it would be great to not need that right away, and save some of the juice in the battery.

    1. Re:Well, it has one use by Shadowlore · · Score: 1

      The only places that are dark are berthing, and Control, if we are doing night ops.

      Why would Control need to be darkened for "night ops" in a submarine w/o windows? Why would a submarine w/o windows need any part if it's interior dark for "night ops"?

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    2. Re:Well, it has one use by markass530 · · Score: 1

      The submarine isn't the weakness, us humans are. The officer of the deck needs his eye's to be able to see as far as possible on through the periscope. He needs "night eyes". For example, ever go from a light environment, to a dark one. You can't see shit for a couple seconds, and then your visibility slowly increases. We use red light in control, to be able to see things since this does not affect "night eyes". During Periscope depth night operations, the oncoming Officer of the Deck will spend 10-20 minutes in a "dark room" getting his eyes adjusted before taking the watch. Oh, and "a submarine w/o windows" would include pretty much every submarine, excepting the variety that appear on album covers, and at tourist destinations.

    3. Re:Well, it has one use by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

      Why not use a light amplification system instead of just a standard periscope?

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    4. Re:Well, it has one use by markass530 · · Score: 1

      If it ain't broke don't fix it? The US Navy swears by this fucking motto. The soundpowered phones still used at ths primary mean of in-ship communications date back to 1920's technology. They are fucking cool because they always fucking work no matter what power goes out, but it burns my fucking ass that they haven't implemented some sort of auxilarry amplification system. I digress...

    5. Re:Well, it has one use by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      As a former submariner, I can attest to it's usefullness on a submarine. The only places that are dark are berthing, and Control, if we are doing night ops.
      I was wondering about that myself - You can't use them in Control as you want it dark *now* when you kill the lights. You don't want them in berthing as you want it dark for people to sleep. You don't want them in the mess decks as you frequently need to darken it for running films, etc... That pretty much leaves a few passages ways and the machinery spaces where they might be useful. OTOH you increase your logistics costs by having two types of bulbs.

      So, as a former submariner, I don't think they'll be particularly useful.

      The article says this is being tested on the USS Alabama - I know a chief aboard her, I'll ask him.

    6. Re:Well, it has one use by markass530 · · Score: 1

      Another point is the L.E.D Lights. Right before I got out, I was building some test case L.E.D Overhead lighting. They were going to be used by shipyard first. There initial cost is fairly high, but the fact thet they won't fucking break, use VERY little juice, and last a fucking long time make them seem like just what the doctor ordered. Fuck glow in the dark Flourescent, gimme some L.E.D's. less maintenance anyone?

    7. Re:Well, it has one use by Mark+of+THE+CITY · · Score: 1

      Putting in an image intensifier in the optics chain shouldn't be that hard. I wonder if it was tried and deemed inadequate.

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  61. Hey! by waltew · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Finally we get those cool umbrellas from Blade Runner.

  62. Pah! Thats nothing take a look at this... by frostilicus2 · · Score: 1

    A man in England has some different ideas concerning the fluorescent tube.

    Seems kinda dangerous - not something that you should try at home...

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    1. Re:Pah! Thats nothing take a look at this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can get a neat QuickTime VR panorama here.

  63. PRIOR ART!? by Dark+Coder · · Score: 1

    Sorry, fella. But seriously, there is prior art to this one.

    Read on...

    In March 11, 1986, a college dormitory had a power outage in the middle of the nite. Imagine a hallway without windows, just dorm doors.

    Anyway, there is a lone light fixture that illuminated the middle of the hall. Naturally, like moth, students began to congregate around the lite.

    It remained bright enough for some of the students to hold conversation in sign language.

    It stay alit for four hours before the power was restored. More than 10% of brightness remains.

    So, I swiped the tube... I still have it...

    1. Re:PRIOR ART!? by Y-Crate · · Score: 1

      I bet your university was pissed that someone stole the tube from one of their battery-equipped emergency lights.

    2. Re:PRIOR ART!? by Dark+Coder · · Score: 1

      I mean... I swapped the tube... I still have it... (sheesh)

      Dang, Freudian slips.

  64. This reminds me of... by idonthack · · Score: 1

    ...a short story by Philip K. Dick called "Foster, You're Dead". Find a copy and read it, it's good. It's about a kid during an alternate-reality cold war whose father refuses to buy a nuke shelter. Wikipedia Link
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  65. Good hack. by zippthorne · · Score: 1

    The problem with neon is that it glows orange. The solution has been to use mercury vapor which emits ultraviolet and coat the inside of the tubes with a florescent material to bring it down to visible (and mostly white) light. I'd say the real achievement here is getting a mostly white glow-in-the-dark phosphor. You don't really appreciate white light until you have to deal with odd colors a lot. I pity those who work in "dance"clubs.

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    1. Re:Good hack. by Tekgno · · Score: 1

      It isn't all that bad.

      BOOBIES!

      Excuse me, it has been a long weekend. BTW, I'm a bouncer.

  66. Uhh... Hack?? Hack?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is going on with the use of Hack? So anytime someone invents or improves something it's a 'hack'? Give me a break guys.

  67. Mod Parent Up by Punboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mod parent up +1 Zork Reference

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  68. So how do you turn it off? by imstanny · · Score: 1

    or am I missing something by not reading the article?

  69. I've had something like this for a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I bought a blue compact fluorescent bulb a while ago for no particular reason. When switched off, the bulb continues to glow perceptably for a couple minutes. It's not bright enough to light up the room, but it looks really weird. I hope the bulbs mentioned in the article, which I haven't read, glow a little brighter.

  70. That just killed spy video games by INetEngineer · · Score: 1

    This will completely ruin the premise of shooting out the lights in Splinter Cell!

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  71. Offline Illumination by theREALbillder · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Date: Thursday, September 23, 1999 7:21 AM From: http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma/offline.htm Offline Illumination; Steamshovel Press Spooky Boys With Spooky Toys by Uri Dowbenko Future War: Non-Lethal Weapons in Twenty-First Century Warfare by Colonel John B. Alexander, US Army (Retired) (1999, St. Martin's Press, 254 pp.. $24.95) Colonel John Alexander never met a war he didn't like. As an unofficial spokesman for the Military-Industrial Complex, Alexander has written a book called Future War in which he continues to ply his trade -- promoting war -- and most importantly advocating those all-important expendables called "weapons systems." The oxymoronic "non-lethal weapons" which Alexander touts are anything but. They include exotic systems like electromagnetic weapons, chemical and biological warfare, so-called physical restraints like goop guns, etc., acoustic weapons, as well as information warfare technologies, which include good old-fashioned military propaganda -- like his book itself. Without questioning the wrong-headed abstruse US Government policies of war-making, he includes a brief history of War's Greatest Hits in a chapter called "Are We the World's Police Force?" Alexander's answer is an unequivocal yes. These include -- Restore Hope: Somalia; United Shield: Somalia Round II; Uphold Democracy: Haiti; Bosnia; The Idaho Rebellion (just kidding). Internet Bashing In a chapter called "Information Warfare," Alexander sounds the alarm about -- you guessed -it -- the "dangers of the Internet." You see, those nasty hackers, crackers and phrackers are out to get the Information Infrastructure. How do we know? Alexander says so. "It is predicted that anti-hacker software sales will increase from $1.1 billion in 1995 to greater than $16 billion in 2000," he writes. "The President's Committee of Critical Infrastructure Protection noted the increased likelihood of computer terrorism and recommended that research and development, now $250 million annually, should be increased $100 million per year until $12 billion is provided on a yearly basis." No matter what the "security" problem, all we need to do is spend more taxpayer dollars on the Military-Industrial Complex. Secret Life of John Alexander Virtually disregarded in this book is Alexander's spooky background as a Psy0ps (or psychological operations) expert, as well as a psychic warfare- mind control operative. According to Alex Constantine, author of Virtual Government (Feral House, 1997), Colonel John Alexander has displayed a long term interest in the paranormal and "has actively promoted psychic metal bending among government personnel using the techniques pioneered by Jack Houck of McDonnell-Douglas." Before his "retirement," Alexander had a 32-year career in the Army, including a stint as director of Advanced Systems Concepts Office, US Army Laboratory Command Alexander was also chief of the Advanced Human Technology Office & Security Command (INSCOM) and ran the "non-lethal" weapons lab at Los Alamos in New Mexico. Alexander allegedly also has a doctor's degree in thanatology, the science of death. British reporter Armen Victorian concludes that John B. Alexander is an active operative assigned to a covert military group "specializing in dissemination of disinformation," collectively known as the "Aviary." In a recent interview, David Morehouse, author of Psychic Warrior, (St. Martin's Press, 1996) reports that "Alexander was a Special Forces officer in Vietnam who commanded a Montagnard battalion. Others say he was a member of the Phoenix Project [the notorious CIA assassination program]. When he came out, he worked with the intelligence community and he never left." Later Alexander led a CIA harassment campaign against Morehouse. Alexander, the "retired" colonel working for the CIA, Jim Schnabel and Joe McMoneagle were all actively involved in spreading disinformation Campaign against him on the Internet, says Morehouse. Politically Incorrect Warrior And why was Morehouse harassed?

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  72. perfect for the darkroom by tchdab1 · · Score: 1

    do they come in flourescent red?

  73. This is one of those things... by Biomechanical · · Score: 1

    Where you look at it and think,

    `Well gee whiz, why didn't anyone do this before? It's so obvious.'

    It's like when you're a kid and you're trying out your new watch with the glow-in-the-dark hands by holding it up to the light and then turning the light off to see the neat little dots.

    It's like the ball-bearing. For years grease, at first animal and then more refined, was used to keep wheels from burning on axles, probably after a carter with roast pork or chicken greased fingers had to make an emergency repair.

    Some years later, bullets are being made for muskets and early pistols by using molds, and dropping small amounts of lead down the inside of a tower into tepid water.

    What was the thing that triggered the mental connection between wheels and balls to allow the wheel to spin much more freely?

    What was the trigger that prompted someone to look at a fluorescent light bulb and think,

    `Hey, if we put some sort of glow-in-the-dark shit in that, it'll work even when it's off!'

    I love these little inventions because you never really think about them and make the connections, but then once someone does, it all just seems so simple and obvious.

    I think it's a perfect example of the humorous theory that ideas are just out there, like bits of benign radiation just zipping about the cosmos, and every once in a while they pass through the right person's head and trigger off all the right neurons to germinate that idea inside that person's mind.

    `Eureka!'* He cried as he leapt from the bath, his face aglow with sudden clarity of thought.

    * `Hand me a towel!'

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    1. Re:This is one of those things... by mink · · Score: 1

      It is a real shame nothing was invented by these guys though. All they have done is taken a product from Japan, attached patriotic anti-terrorism fear marketing and ripped of stuff from the real manufacturers website.

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  74. MUST READ THIS by the+obvious · · Score: 1

    THIS IS THE WORST IDEA EVER! this is why: WHEN YOU GO TO SLEEP AND YOU TURN OFF YOUR LIGHT....IT WONT TURN OUT!!!!!~!! YOU'LL NEVER SLEEP!!!!! that hard cover better have a snooze button taht makes it go black, or else this will become quickly the "worst idea ever."

    1. Re:MUST READ THIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't put one one in your fucking bedroom, you stupid fucking fuck.

    2. Re:MUST READ THIS by Aeiri · · Score: 1

      THIS IS THE WORST IDEA EVER!... (etc)

      You have flourescent light bulbs where you live? This is more for buildings, or maybe the hallways of apartment buildings, than anything else.

    3. Re:MUST READ THIS by afidel · · Score: 1

      Yes, I use compact flourescents in my lamps, in my garage, basement, just about everywhere except the bedroom and computer room where I need a black body light source to color match for daylight. Modern electronic balasts have done away with the nasty flickering and current coatings do a much better job of dealing with the cool color spectrum (although there are no coatings that can yet create anything that close to the 6500K of an ideal white light source or the ~5800K or the sun, there are bulbs that can do ~5200K which is good enough to fake it).

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  75. Mod parent up - it sounds an even better hack by michaeldot · · Score: 1

    The only downside I can think of right now is that the effort needed to scrape off the coating and later reseal the tube might exceed that of just making a vacuum tube designed for the task in the first place.

    But I love this kind of grass roots recycling thinking!

    1. Re:Mod parent up - it sounds an even better hack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you could just try bathing the (opened on one end) fluorescent tube in some sort of acid bath. The glass should survive exposure unaffected. An organic solvent might also be used if the coating is organic (no idea).

  76. Lightsabres!!! by RobinH · · Score: 1

    These would be great for lightsabre battles! Much better than pouring gas inside of one anyway... but you'd need to wear gloves.

    Really though, regarding the post, does everything need to be related to terrorism? Isn't that just a marketing ploy? Don't we already have our anti-terrorist duct tape at the ready? :)

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  77. See Through Walls by kenji_watanabe · · Score: 1

    What ever happened to this fluorescent light bulb hack? I'd pay good money for x-ray specs, even if they are 3m long.

  78. Mercury is not involved by dbIII · · Score: 1
    The vapour in fluorescent tubes is mercury (Hg)
    Incorrect. Argon is not mercury. Mercury vapour lights contain mercury, not fluorescent tubes.
    unless you wash hard, and even potent cleansers aren't designed to remove heavy metal contamination
    Consider a drop of mercury on a surface. Watch it skitter about and not stick to anything. Mercury is very easy to clean up so long as you have a low point for it to go to.
    Competent safety procedures ... HAZMAT disposal
    Sounds important but missed the point, the article wasn't about mercury vapour lights.
    1. Re:Mercury is not involved by cswiger2005 · · Score: 1
      Incorrect. Argon is not mercury. Mercury vapour lights contain mercury, not fluorescent tubes.
      Argon is not Mercury. However, fluorescent tubes contain *both* Argon (or Neon) *and* Mercury:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorescent_tube
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    2. Re:Mercury is not involved by dbIII · · Score: 1
      However, fluorescent tubes contain *both* Argon (or Neon) *and* Mercury
      Someone in the lighting industry (I'm not and I no longer know anyone who is) had better fix that wikipedia article - mecury hasn't been used there for a long time.

      I suggest you google for a more informed source - and no, don't take me as an informed source since I don't have any dead tree references handy on a weekend.

    3. Re:Mercury is not involved by mink · · Score: 1

      The green end tubes (ones often called mercury free) do in fact contain mercury. Just so little of it that you are allowed to dispose of them in normal trash.
      I have found no one making mercury free tubes.

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  79. Science by TheFlamingPrinceandP · · Score: 1

    If the new material absorbs the UV light and releases visible light more slowly, doesn't that mean that the outer coating on the bulb has less UV to absorb for itself?

  80. Re:RTFA already (Sr in Sensodyne) by wakdjunkaga · · Score: 1
    Sensodyne has a web page thumbnailing how Strontium Chloride works in their toothpaste. http://www.sensodyne.com.au/how_it_works.htm

    Also read a more informative piece in http://www.drhoffman.com/page.cfm/444 which references "Strontium ranelate boosts bone density in elderly women" from N Engl J Med 2004;350:459-468. This article outlines different forms of Strontium that have been used in medicine, and their effects. Looks like Sr actually aids in increasing bone density, and tooth integrity.

    BTW, Sr-90, being a good beta emitter, is used in nuclear gauging. Years ago I maintained and calibrated Betamike(TM) gauging systems measuring extruded plastic web from 0.010" up to approx. 0.100" thick (control system maintenance only; we farmed out all the 'hot' work).

    Sr-90 (28.78 yr half-life, pure beta emitter) breaks down to Yttrium-90 (64.1 hour half-life, also beta), then to Zirconium 90 (stable). Does a good job, but, after 15 to 20 years, and enough of the the source has changed to Zr it is necessary to boost amplifier gain pretty high resulting in a poor s/n ratio.

    While checking my facts ran across this useful page which goes into some detail on nuclear weapon physics, and what the byproducts are for a typical fission device. http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/Sciences/Chemi stry/NuclearChemistry/NuclearWeapons/FirstChainRea ction/EffectsNucl/WeaponEffects.htm

  81. Re: Mercury vapor and fluorescent lights by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 1
    Mercury vapor is in... mercury vapor lamps, the stale white lamps used in street lighting. [...] Fluorescent lighting runs an arc through a tube of noble gas
    Mercury vapor is also in fluorescent lights.
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  82. Re: Mercury vapor and fluorescent lights by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 1
    It [mercury vapor] isn't in fluorescent lights
    Yes, it is.
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  83. One for the kiddies... by tallguy81 · · Score: 1

    The first thought that came to me was a "night light."

    Basically, you could put this in your kid's room, and it would act like a regular light. When bedtime came, you'd shut off the light, leaving the glow. Your kid could get some sleep, and then the glow would go away.

    Or the lights would cast an eerie glow on your kid's toys, traumatizing him/her for life. Whatever.

  84. Real hackers use LEDs by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    which, in a way are even more retro-cool since many of the first computers used LED readouts, so it's like a wayback machine to the real future.

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    1. Re:Real hackers use LEDs by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      [some resource links from some friends of mine at the Fremont Arts Council, which puts on an annual light show by local Fremonsters in or near Seattle]

      You can find incandescent "grain of wheat" lamps at www.allelectronics.com, or similar ones at Radio Shack for 2 or 3 times the price.

      In some cases Christmas lights work well.

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  85. People is starting to develop cancer... by maitas · · Score: 1

    But there's no relation whatesoever to those strange all nigth on lighths...