And would I be setting a good example by acting like the typical slashdot poster? There are times to worry about spelling and grammar, and there are times to worry about content. And, there are times to worry about both. Am I perfect, no. I am a slashdot user who doesn't know everything, but I am able to teach people where to find the information they seek. I do not have perfect spelling, why is that so hard for people to grasp? But, I can show you how to find the correct spelling.
Teachers are no different than anyone else, so isn't it a bit unfair to expect more from them than from ourselves? Kids mirror their peers and family and teachers, yet teachers are required to know everything about everything. This is exactly the problem with our society. I don't have to be a good role model, thats what the teachers are paid for.
A good example of how weak the brains are in our society is that every time I come to slashdot for a reasonably intelligent conversation, it lands up being about grammar. To be honest, I don't give a hoot whether my students learn which words are verbs and how to spell hypocritical. Once they learn the value of education, those things will come. Instead I push them to learn the value of being an educated member of society. Would my students really open up to me if I critiqued every one of their thoughts with grammar rules and spelling mistakes? No.
In all seriousness though, while your parents don't understand your field of choice, they surely call you every time they need help. I hate getting calls that start with "Hi, you don't know me, but I am your moms friends hamsters former-owners uncles sons 2nd best friend, would you fix my computer? It doesn't work good."
After I posted, I was also thinking about how almost every application (games especially) have music or sounds incorporated into them. Maybe it would be a very handy combination.
He has 6 people in his department. The average is probably $9 per hour, or less. So, $432. $432 is well worth no hospital visits. There are probably 12-15 departments. ALso, this bonus is paid cash (actual bills, in the hand, which many like).
Rudeboy, you are my hero. I put that sig on a few days ago when the grammer nazis were driving me nuts. I thought it was simple, yet nobody grasps it. Do I need to reword it? I am sick of people worrying more about spelling than content. I do not have perfect spelling, and I make mistakes. I post here searching for someone to discuss/debate with, yet all I run into is idiots. Should I mention that I have a teaching degree (that always draws out the grammar psychos)?
Yeah, I noticed that on my post as well. I even previewed it for once! It didn't help I guess.
What I do not grasp is that AddressException quoted a capitalization mistake in my post, then also quoted my sig. Am I missing something here? Is he insulting himself? Seriously, I don't understand.
On a side note, a friend of mine works at a factory that had a terrible rate of accidents and injuries. Two years ago, they instituted a new injury policy. If nobody gets hurt in a department for 1 year, then everyone there gets an extra days pay. If 2 years, then 2 days pay each. If 3...... Since then, not one single injury has happened. This is not entirely true, but people now don't report minor scratches (which before let them leave work early). Also, if you don't miss a day of work all year, you get $100 the first year, $200 the 2nd, etc.... It has worked great! My friends department has not had an injury in 2 years, and the average days missed went from 10/year down to 1.5/year. And it only cost the company a few hundred bucks, which they quickly make up for in not sending anyone to the hospital. Now if someone is doing something dumb, everyone complains to them, and shows them the better way. Maybe this wouldn't work anywhere, and it has it's flaws, but so far it seems great.
I wonder if Microsoft employees use a disproportionately large number of MACs, or are more likely to be Firefox users. I mean, fast food workers never want to eat where they have worked, and people who work at many factories refuse to buy products from that factory. Maybe they feel hatred towards their employer.
On a serious note, I don't think the president of Harvard said anything wrong. Observing trends and tencencies backed up by actual numbers isn't sexism, it is reality. Men and women are different, especially women. I don't fricken understand them, and am insulted when people say we are equal! I am married, and she doesn't understand me either. We just look at the world quite differently.
"mentally ill and drug addicted clients"
vs.
"average alpha geek"
How many average alpha geeks land up as a mentally ill and drug addicted client? Does she server food to any of her former coworkers? A female friend of mine left CS for a similar reason.
I don't know, but when I was going through CS classes we started with about a 50:50 ratio of boys to girls. Okay, maybe 60:40. I only know of 3 girls out of maybe 30 that finished.
Just guessing, I would guess 30 boys finished. So 30:3? Seeing as how my/. number is 760290, does that mean/. has 76,290 female users? Wow!
No, I don't. Sorry about that. I didn't realize at first how confusing that was. What I was saying is that catching students plagiarizing is quite easy with google. Heck, many schools pay big bucks to use software for this exact purpose. It is far easier to simply copy a line from their work into google. Over 50% of the time google will come up with the exact source they copied the work from.
I was just looking at all my favorite titles for PC gaming. Every one of them was then ported to the two major consoles. When PC gaming dies, I assume the consoles do as well. Maybe the news about EA buying out the NFL and other such news is also leading towards a "PC gaming is dead" mentality.
I have to say, these articles do help the everyday sheep learn what the ozone is, and what it does. I will always remember meeting a lady at the gas station. She was driving herself (and only herself) in her huge SUV. She was then commenting on how interesting the front page article about global warming was, and that I "should read it". I would like to point out that I was driving a 40mpg little car at the time (and still have it, 9 years later).
Thats funny, but oh so true! Take a random line from any paper turned in by a highschool student, plop it into google, and it will come up 50%+ of the time. I showed my students this, and still hit the 50% mark. They won't even change a few words so it doesn't send off flags. They would rather take a 0.
Wow, that is fairly even! I am impressed. So, considering this wasn't flamebate, it was actual information with a few opinions thrown in, I can assume that 4/10 of the voters were teachers.
"The correct place for the responsibility of learning is with the student, not the teacher."
I used to believe this, until I actually went into teaching. And while it would help for the students to take this responsiblity, we cannot expect them to when the schools are filled with absolutly horrid teachers. I am not sure, but here in the midwest we have thousands of people trying to land teaching jobs, unsuccessfully. Many of them would make great teachers. In the meantime, over half of our current teachers are horrid. Those unemployed sit and wonder if they can pay their mortguage, and the current teachers sit and whine because they are only making $35K per year. If the pay was too low, there wouldn't be thousands of people waiting for those jobs. The pay thing is off topic, but it does go along with part of the problem.
"If you want improved education, then convince students that this is true"
Firstly, I was a teacher. I left because the administration continued to let good teachers leave, and hired poor ones.
I have never had perfect grammar or spelling, and am not concerned about it. Actually, the English language is far more complex than, and less logical than any of the computer languages I have taught/used. This is a forum, not a thesis. A place to debate. When people use typos and spelling as ammo, it just shows what is wrong with the mentality of our culture. "If I can find a spelling mistake in a teachers writing, then I am not part of the problem, I am smarter than the teacher." Heck, I can't tell you how many times a parent has told me I was a terrible teacher because I couldn't answer one of their childs questions right away. I once had a student ask me the date that a certain president was born. Because I didn't know, I was a bad teacher. I offered to show her how to find that information, but that wasn't good enough. Our entire culture is like this. Find one flaw, and now that is the cause of all problems. I just get annoyed by this, and then also by people who go and defend these people. It just goes to show where our younger crowd learn their mentality. Oh yeah, and I didn't sit and spell check this either.
As for lazy administration...how about this?
I learned that substitute teaching doesn't get you a job. The admins around here don't hire their subs because there is a sub shortage. Instead, they would rather hire a teacher that they have never seen teach. Heck, they knew they would have an opening in my field, and while I was long-term-subbing, they wouldn't even take the time to come see me in action. Instead they hired someone else for the position. They called to tell me I wasn't chosen, but in the same call they asked me to teach 5 months of Advanced World History (not anywhere near what I am qualified for). Again, the admins do what makes their job easier, not what is best for the students.
I would also like to point out that every college class I had (teaching me to become a teacher) was being lead by a person who dropped out of teaching. Generally they were a lousy teacher, and guess what, they were still lousy at the college level! I made it through to become a state certified teacher, in the state with the highest standards of all 50 states. I did it with nearly a 4.0, while never staying awake through a class. The classes were horrid, pointless, and had no real purpose. Should I also say that I graduated from the University ranked in the top 10 in the nation for their education program? Many of my peers went into elementary education, with a 4.0 GPA, and yet couldn't understand the concept of fractions! They are now employed, and I am not. I won't coach, so I don't work.
Yeah, and now we know what is wrong with our adults. They are more worried about spelling and hurt feelings than content or education. Take the easy way out and critique someones spelling, rather than try to come up with any logic. The standard pathetic attempt to make yourself feel like you are not part of the problem......worry about grammar.
Oh yeah, i also typed this in about 20s, and am not worried about SPEEEELLLING!
Slashdot Mirror
And would I be setting a good example by acting like the typical slashdot poster? There are times to worry about spelling and grammar, and there are times to worry about content. And, there are times to worry about both. Am I perfect, no. I am a slashdot user who doesn't know everything, but I am able to teach people where to find the information they seek. I do not have perfect spelling, why is that so hard for people to grasp? But, I can show you how to find the correct spelling.
Teachers are no different than anyone else, so isn't it a bit unfair to expect more from them than from ourselves? Kids mirror their peers and family and teachers, yet teachers are required to know everything about everything. This is exactly the problem with our society. I don't have to be a good role model, thats what the teachers are paid for.
A good example of how weak the brains are in our society is that every time I come to slashdot for a reasonably intelligent conversation, it lands up being about grammar. To be honest, I don't give a hoot whether my students learn which words are verbs and how to spell hypocritical. Once they learn the value of education, those things will come. Instead I push them to learn the value of being an educated member of society. Would my students really open up to me if I critiqued every one of their thoughts with grammar rules and spelling mistakes? No.
"PS, no you can't have my e-mail address. :)"
Street address would be fine.
In all seriousness though, while your parents don't understand your field of choice, they surely call you every time they need help. I hate getting calls that start with "Hi, you don't know me, but I am your moms friends hamsters former-owners uncles sons 2nd best friend, would you fix my computer? It doesn't work good."
After I posted, I was also thinking about how almost every application (games especially) have music or sounds incorporated into them. Maybe it would be a very handy combination.
He has 6 people in his department. The average is probably $9 per hour, or less. So, $432. $432 is well worth no hospital visits. There are probably 12-15 departments. ALso, this bonus is paid cash (actual bills, in the hand, which many like).
Rudeboy, you are my hero. I put that sig on a few days ago when the grammer nazis were driving me nuts. I thought it was simple, yet nobody grasps it. Do I need to reword it? I am sick of people worrying more about spelling than content. I do not have perfect spelling, and I make mistakes. I post here searching for someone to discuss/debate with, yet all I run into is idiots. Should I mention that I have a teaching degree (that always draws out the grammar psychos)?
Yeah, I noticed that on my post as well. I even previewed it for once! It didn't help I guess.
What I do not grasp is that AddressException quoted a capitalization mistake in my post, then also quoted my sig. Am I missing something here? Is he insulting himself? Seriously, I don't understand.
On a side note, a friend of mine works at a factory that had a terrible rate of accidents and injuries. Two years ago, they instituted a new injury policy. If nobody gets hurt in a department for 1 year, then everyone there gets an extra days pay. If 2 years, then 2 days pay each. If 3...... Since then, not one single injury has happened. This is not entirely true, but people now don't report minor scratches (which before let them leave work early). Also, if you don't miss a day of work all year, you get $100 the first year, $200 the 2nd, etc.... It has worked great! My friends department has not had an injury in 2 years, and the average days missed went from 10/year down to 1.5/year. And it only cost the company a few hundred bucks, which they quickly make up for in not sending anyone to the hospital. Now if someone is doing something dumb, everyone complains to them, and shows them the better way. Maybe this wouldn't work anywhere, and it has it's flaws, but so far it seems great.
I wonder if Microsoft employees use a disproportionately large number of MACs, or are more likely to be Firefox users. I mean, fast food workers never want to eat where they have worked, and people who work at many factories refuse to buy products from that factory. Maybe they feel hatred towards their employer.
Music to CS? Holy cow what a change! I crossed education and CS, but man, music might be an even greater change.
On a serious note, I don't think the president of Harvard said anything wrong. Observing trends and tencencies backed up by actual numbers isn't sexism, it is reality. Men and women are different, especially women. I don't fricken understand them, and am insulted when people say we are equal! I am married, and she doesn't understand me either. We just look at the world quite differently.
"mentally ill and drug addicted clients"
vs.
"average alpha geek"
How many average alpha geeks land up as a mentally ill and drug addicted client? Does she server food to any of her former coworkers? A female friend of mine left CS for a similar reason.
I don't know, but when I was going through CS classes we started with about a 50:50 ratio of boys to girls. Okay, maybe 60:40. I only know of 3 girls out of maybe 30 that finished.
/. number is 760290, does that mean /. has 76,290 female users? Wow!
Just guessing, I would guess 30 boys finished. So 30:3? Seeing as how my
No, I don't. Sorry about that. I didn't realize at first how confusing that was. What I was saying is that catching students plagiarizing is quite easy with google. Heck, many schools pay big bucks to use software for this exact purpose. It is far easier to simply copy a line from their work into google. Over 50% of the time google will come up with the exact source they copied the work from.
LOL, mod Jesus up. I didn't think I would say that today.
Who needs a 3d Sphere Interface for XP. We already have that SWEET "Bliss" green hilltop desktop and totally awesome start menu on the default theme!
I was just looking at all my favorite titles for PC gaming. Every one of them was then ported to the two major consoles. When PC gaming dies, I assume the consoles do as well. Maybe the news about EA buying out the NFL and other such news is also leading towards a "PC gaming is dead" mentality.
I have to say, these articles do help the everyday sheep learn what the ozone is, and what it does. I will always remember meeting a lady at the gas station. She was driving herself (and only herself) in her huge SUV. She was then commenting on how interesting the front page article about global warming was, and that I "should read it". I would like to point out that I was driving a 40mpg little car at the time (and still have it, 9 years later).
I find it funny that this is a feature...
"the first-ever search engine built from the ground up by Microsoft"
Also, does anyone know what "25 markets" would mean?
Thats funny, but oh so true! Take a random line from any paper turned in by a highschool student, plop it into google, and it will come up 50%+ of the time. I showed my students this, and still hit the 50% mark. They won't even change a few words so it doesn't send off flags. They would rather take a 0.
I don't know about the clutter, but the searching works great! It found exactly what I was looking for! http://beta.search.msn.com/results.aspx?FORM=MSNH& srch_type=0&q=google
30% informative
30% insightful
40% flamebait
Wow, that is fairly even! I am impressed. So, considering this wasn't flamebate, it was actual information with a few opinions thrown in, I can assume that 4/10 of the voters were teachers.
"The correct place for the responsibility of learning is with the student, not the teacher."
I used to believe this, until I actually went into teaching. And while it would help for the students to take this responsiblity, we cannot expect them to when the schools are filled with absolutly horrid teachers.
I am not sure, but here in the midwest we have thousands of people trying to land teaching jobs, unsuccessfully. Many of them would make great teachers. In the meantime, over half of our current teachers are horrid.
Those unemployed sit and wonder if they can pay their mortguage, and the current teachers sit and whine because they are only making $35K per year. If the pay was too low, there wouldn't be thousands of people waiting for those jobs. The pay thing is off topic, but it does go along with part of the problem.
"If you want improved education, then convince students that this is true"
How can we do this without decent teachers?
Firstly, I was a teacher. I left because the administration continued to let good teachers leave, and hired poor ones.
I have never had perfect grammar or spelling, and am not concerned about it. Actually, the English language is far more complex than, and less logical than any of the computer languages I have taught/used. This is a forum, not a thesis. A place to debate. When people use typos and spelling as ammo, it just shows what is wrong with the mentality of our culture.
"If I can find a spelling mistake in a teachers writing, then I am not part of the problem, I am smarter than the teacher."
Heck, I can't tell you how many times a parent has told me I was a terrible teacher because I couldn't answer one of their childs questions right away. I once had a student ask me the date that a certain president was born. Because I didn't know, I was a bad teacher. I offered to show her how to find that information, but that wasn't good enough. Our entire culture is like this. Find one flaw, and now that is the cause of all problems. I just get annoyed by this, and then also by people who go and defend these people. It just goes to show where our younger crowd learn their mentality.
Oh yeah, and I didn't sit and spell check this either.
As for lazy administration...how about this? I learned that substitute teaching doesn't get you a job. The admins around here don't hire their subs because there is a sub shortage. Instead, they would rather hire a teacher that they have never seen teach. Heck, they knew they would have an opening in my field, and while I was long-term-subbing, they wouldn't even take the time to come see me in action. Instead they hired someone else for the position. They called to tell me I wasn't chosen, but in the same call they asked me to teach 5 months of Advanced World History (not anywhere near what I am qualified for). Again, the admins do what makes their job easier, not what is best for the students.
Wahoo! Someone I can agree with for a change!
I would also like to point out that every college class I had (teaching me to become a teacher) was being lead by a person who dropped out of teaching. Generally they were a lousy teacher, and guess what, they were still lousy at the college level! I made it through to become a state certified teacher, in the state with the highest standards of all 50 states. I did it with nearly a 4.0, while never staying awake through a class. The classes were horrid, pointless, and had no real purpose. Should I also say that I graduated from the University ranked in the top 10 in the nation for their education program? Many of my peers went into elementary education, with a 4.0 GPA, and yet couldn't understand the concept of fractions! They are now employed, and I am not. I won't coach, so I don't work.
Yeah, and now we know what is wrong with our adults. They are more worried about spelling and hurt feelings than content or education. Take the easy way out and critique someones spelling, rather than try to come up with any logic. The standard pathetic attempt to make yourself feel like you are not part of the problem......worry about grammar.
Oh yeah, i also typed this in about 20s, and am not worried about SPEEEELLLING!
And we wonder what is wrong with our culture.
Anonymous coward is put on the name for a reason.