Nah, the Athlon was the greatest thing in sliced silicon. But I digress - I've had a W2K beta for some time now. Assuming they work the bugs out of the hardware support and fix up some of the display glitches (you know, the usual errata) I think it'll be a stunning release for the corporate world. Right now, however, it sucks. It will likely continue to suck until atleast sp1. But everybody already knows that. =)
Not unless you plug it into a phone. Where are the privacy violations? Honestly - does the FBI care what you eat? "Oh my god, that kid on 3rd and Elm in the white house has loose stools!!!"
Comeon, the worst security exploit would be a buffer overflow in the cup-o-noodles module.
You know, it sounds like a good idea on the surface, but I thought about it alittle bit and I think that alot of people might look on this as being childish. I mean, this is Microsoft's party, and here we are going off to crash it. Is it fair? Wouldn't we cry foul if MS decided to hold a W2K media-fest the day 2.4 came out?
It's great that we have people who want to support and encourage the use of linux, but I think that the timing here could have been better. Why compete like this - wasn't the whole point of linux simply building a better product and letting the consumer / marketplace decide?
Microsoft's implementation of security, if you'll read the article for this post, is severely lacking. Other features sound like old (very old) news for what is suppose to be a brand-new OS. And what about the promised scalability?
Old for the UNIX community, new for the Windows.
It's unfortunate that microsoft doesn't like to fully share it's APIs with the outside world.
And here I was thinking the Microsoft Foundation Classes (MFCs) *were* the API. Maybe I misunderstood you.:\ No, they document their APIs... just not all of it. To be honest, MS' way of doing things is ass-backwards. Take the MFCs, the main interface many programmers use to get into windows: it has macros that call other macros that reference include files which reference other macros inside those include files which.... well, need I continue? What's worse, many classes ask you to treat options which aren't implimented as "live"... many of them never will be. And even if they were, wasn't the whole point of C++ and OOPs to prevent such stupidity? MS' seems to have gone to great length to bastardize OOP. Ah, but I'm getting off-topic here. =)
Yeah, they would have adopted linux (after China), but somebody found out the feng shi was bad and had to destroy all copies of redhat. In the meantime, they aquired several linux companies like LinuxOne with an option on two more, and sold them to an overseas firm who sold them back 10 Linux firms like LinuxOne. Meanwhile money had been filtered through the switzerland accounts, and finally it came back that the originator of this had about 1 billion in cash and 13 companies that didn't exist.
I don't think anybody thinks Linux is a superior general purpose desktop OS to Win2000, *YET*.
And that's the whole crux of the matter. If I'm a network admin and all my users have Outlook I really don't have much choice - I gotta go with MS Exchange. Even if it crashes daily. Even if I have to come in at 4:00am to reboot them. Even if I hate it. I have to use it because the support just isn't there. I'm literally forced into that solution. And until linux can catch up to me and say "hey, I have a solution to get you out of this mess." I can't switch - my users will kill me if they can't have those embraced-and-extended features Outlook has.
Office compatibility is moot on a server. In fact, an admin who runs Office on a production server has a particular designation: idiot.
Okay, you have a point there. =) But, taking the point one step further: linux does not have support for MS Exchange, and while the server may not have Office on it, you can bet the Marketing and Sales departments all have Outlook on their desktops and want those nice embraced-and-extended features Outlook affords them.
What "owns" the vertical market space for thin servers? What is going into vertical areas like resteraunt software? What is expanding into desktop and embedded areas at an exponential rate?
Only proves that linux is great for commodity hardware. Which is what I said initially. It's source is freely available and fairly easy to navigate (well, if you love C *g*). It's only natural that it would branch into these markets. But it isn't exactly taking the corporate world by storm - and that's where the gigabucks are. Besides, the "embedded market" isn't sexy and all hyped up. Who cares what OS runs a department store's fridge or security system?
All in all though, linux is making progress at a very nice rate. It's hard to compare it's improvements with NT on a broad scale, however, because the focus is different for each OS. One focuses on the GUI and making things easier to administer. The other is focused on technical superiority.. even if that means that adding support for your zip drive requires 20 lines worth of typing in a fairly cryptic way.
At this point, the list of people not supporting Linux is likely shorter than the list of people who are. I think he's confusing support with "double click to add SP9 to your system" ease-of-fixing.
Are you trying to tell me that you wouldn't mind having a point-and-click kernel recompile with a snazzy interface that autodetects the optimal configuration for your system and then installs it automatically and asks you "would you like to reboot?" when it's done? Hey, linux isn't perfect. Support *really is* still an issue. And so's having a decent GUI. I don't care what the linux enthusiasts on/. say - gnome and kde are not on par with Windows. They're useful, sure. They even look sexier than windows (not hard, really). I use gnome and enlightenment every day. But it took me 2 years of constant work under linux to get to this point and I cannot and will not expect a columnist and the average joes out there to do the same. We're not there yet.
You know a company's in trouble when legal hairsplitting replaces common sense."
Gee, and I thought that's what every corporation does when they get into a legal dispute... but I must be mistaken - maybe they all try to go as fast as possible and generate as little paperwork as they can. Afterall, lawyers like to go home at 5:00 too, right? Even if according to the bill they worked 60 hours today...
Can you sense the bitterness here?
No.
how can they sleep at night knowing they were selling IE 4 + the upgrade equivalence of a service pack to the public, for the same price as a full operating system?
Maybe because the average consumer either a) didn't know any better b) didn't care or c) was the only thing they knew how to use and hence had to upgrade. Ignorance is a difficult thing to combat.. and it's routinely exploited. Just head over to a new car dealership for an example. I'm sure Bill and millions of other capitalists around the world will be sleeping soundly tonight. With their pillows filled with cash.
First of all, you wouldn't believe the number of interns where I work that get their hands on a Linux workstation for the first time, and then, upon managing to screw up something, reboot.
You also wouldn't believe the number of redhat owners that continue to do so well after they've been off linux. Or Solaris admins, for that matter...
Not only that, but Win2k is Microsoft's attempt to make NT a usefull OS - meaning you can play games on it. =)
Well, that's patently false. W2K, as stated by Microsoft itself, has been designed to combine the win98 and NT source trees together. If gaming was the only objective, they would have never implimented all the security, added directory services, file and printer sharing, so-called "zero management" / remote administration, or a plethora of other features. Sorry, but this OS wasn't designed just to play Quake.
It seems to me that the only way they can keep the OS stable is to prevent it from doing things - using easily written video card drivers for instance.
Yeah, isn't that called HAL, or the Hardware Abstraction Layer present in NT4 and W2K? Virtualize everything and put the hardware behind a complex API and then make damn sure the kernel is stable.
"...after all, once the DOJ gets through with them, they might be open source."
That's also false - a recently leaked report indicates they intend to break MS up into several "baby bills".
Oh, give me a break! Linux is not leading Windows 2000. Does linux have an MS Office 2000 clone? 100% word compatibility? No, then it's dead in the water for corporate adoption. If there's one thing that linux enthusiasts should take to heart it is the lesson that MS has taught the entire industry: controlling one market allows you to rapidly extend into other (related) markets and then embrace the tech, subvert it, and take that market over.
Does anyone here, even for a second, believe that Windows 2000 will not be a major software release and developers will scramble to support it? Ignore the technical issues: The "windows phenomenon" has nothing to do with technology, it has to do with marketing, the perception of reality, and human nature.
This article is paying lip-service to the community. Given ZD Net's track record I wouldn't be suprised if it was written specifically to get posted to slashdot (like many other articles like this which seem to make it to the front page). Don't buy it.
Linux is a versatile OS but it has many shortcomings which the pundits and many linux enthusiasts want to ignore - the hardware drivers are not on par with their NT counterparts, nor is the support infrastructure there. There are some drivers which are rock solid under linux, but the majority of them have quirks, bugs, and I'd say upwards of 50% are in "perma-beta". Further, the tcp/ip lock-spin problem as surfaced in the mindcraft testing seems to prove that linux does what it was designed to do: run well on *well supported* commodity hardware, do so with good stability, and makes an excellent server for home / small business use. However, for mega corporations and so-called "e-commerce" - it's lacking. This is called Solaris Country - big iron and massively redundant servers. the BSD's also do better in this arena (although, like Wendy's, they make superior burgers but everybody thinks McDonalds is better). The above paragraph is mainly here as a reality-check: linux is not perfect. It has shortcomings. The sooner we accept them (and then work to shore them up), the sooner we stop worrying about "beating microsoft" and start building superior code, that's the same day we win the war. If you want historical proof: japanese samauri(sp?) - they held the belief that by not concerning themselves with the outcome of battle they would win. And they did. Atleast until we dropped the bomb on them.
But, I digress. Mistrust articles like these: these little "opinion" columns are just paying lip service to whatever hype happens to the popular one at the moment. Go back and search for "push technology", or even earlier to the Macintosh and the windows 3.0 days... it's all the same: the pundits say what their readers want them to say. Just like slashdot likes to moderate and post people who agree with it's values and beliefs. Boil it all away and you're left with one thing - and it isn't the truth.
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Unlike many betas us linux geeks use, this one is not ready for general use. It's not even really ready for your personal use. Think "Windows 2000" here. The installation has many bugs and large chasms with a sign before it that says "your code here".
The rpms themselves are fairly workable, but there are simply too many things in this distribution that require tweaking to get yourself a useable system. Hell, it took me 5 attempts to get a *bootable* system.
I don't have time for a complete review for slashdot, but here's what to look forward to, and what to avoid:
Pros --
- New partitioning utility. Worked great, and seemed faster than partition magic. Didn't get a chance to test it on NTFS but it worked flawlessly on FAT32.
- Installation - I gotta love how this auto-detected my PS/2 mouse and gave me a graphical installation which looked kinda nice. It also let you go back in the steps to re-do something if you decided you didn't want to do something. W98-SE, for comparison, locked up during install - I could not use a mouse for my W98 install. Just think about that. =)
- Fast. Very fast. They recompiled alot of stuff for speed and it shows. My system boots faster, X-windows renders faster, etc.
Cons --
- Installation can be painful. think "windows 3.0" painful. When it goes bad... *it* *goes* *bad*
- their lilo installer can fail for any reason or no reason. I like having a system that boots.. even if the installation aborted. The common one was pointing it to an empty partition and saying "windows will go there".
- support. The cooker list is high volume, and cries of "it won't work!" are common. While the mandrake guys do respond thoughtfully, there's just too much stuff to search through to see if your question was previously posted. It doesn't help that it's an open list and spammers have found it.
That about does it for now, hope you found it useful. - Sig11
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I can tell you why they're gonna win the next cold war... they have a sexier website. Really, honestly now - how many of you geeks out there didn't consider a position because their website sucked?:)
It's likely hidden inside a.gif or.jpeg on the least-significant bit. Take each bit, put them in groups of 8 (usually) or 16 to form bytes. Then it's simply a matter of determining if it's noise or actual data. I will assume they made it fairly easy. Grab a mirroring utility, and a quick C program combined with linux' find utility should make this contest a snap. Assuming, of course, I'm right. =) If this was meant for the general public and not geeks, mirror the site and start a greppin' for html comment tags and ALT tags.
If you're talking nmap or queso, simply set all incoming packets with SYN set to be rejected from 1024:65535. queso and nmap both probe above the "trusted ports". Of course, for this to be effective you need to have the policy set to DENY, not REJECT.
Sure, but you must deny all knowledge of ownership of the shares. Further, the shares themselves do not exist. That's right, even though you have those shares, you don't. Also, a large truck will not be positioned outside your house and won't be listening in on all your phone calls to not ensure that you do not leak information about the not-to-be-happening NSA IPO.
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What, nobody knew until now of the Reality-altering field that TV projects onto the world? (sarcasm) Wow, I'm impressed. (/sarcasm)
Seriously, anybody here honestly believe TV is a valid indicator of reality? Unbiased reporting doesn't exist (columbine and the hellmouth anyone? How about DeCSS?), and in many cases isn't even well-researched. I regard most of what I see on TV as gossip. The notable exceptions are: the weather (atleast they admit they lie!), Star Trek (which I believe is Divine Truth), and Monty Python re-runs.
The conservative elements in our society take TV far too seriously. Warping children's minds? Sure, flip on Barney and Friends or that Pokemon show. Violence and sex on TV, evil? Well, sex on TV doesn't hurt unless you fall off. As for the violent part... well, watching Roseanne.. *shudder*. Yeah, well.. I guess maybe they were right. Scratch this post. =)
================================= ERROR 10948: Red Flag Linux detected. You did not see this error, and troops have been dispatched to your location, you filthy traitor. Remain seated and your death shall be quick and painless. ================================= -- RED, WHITE, AND BLUE FLAG LINUX
"Yes, we're developing a distribution.. but if we told you anything more we'd have to kill you (and the binaries)."
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Nah, the Athlon was the greatest thing in sliced silicon. But I digress - I've had a W2K beta for some time now. Assuming they work the bugs out of the hardware support and fix up some of the display glitches (you know, the usual errata) I think it'll be a stunning release for the corporate world. Right now, however, it sucks. It will likely continue to suck until atleast sp1. But everybody already knows that. =)
Comeon, the worst security exploit would be a buffer overflow in the cup-o-noodles module.
Star Trek, Next Generation, captain picard to his food replicator during part I of "Best of Both Worlds." Life no have I.
It's great that we have people who want to support and encourage the use of linux, but I think that the timing here could have been better. Why compete like this - wasn't the whole point of linux simply building a better product and letting the consumer / marketplace decide?
Old for the UNIX community, new for the Windows.
It's unfortunate that microsoft doesn't like to fully share it's APIs with the outside world.
And here I was thinking the Microsoft Foundation Classes (MFCs) *were* the API. Maybe I misunderstood you. :\ No, they document their APIs... just not all of it. To be honest, MS' way of doing things is ass-backwards. Take the MFCs, the main interface many programmers use to get into windows: it has macros that call other macros that reference include files which reference other macros inside those include files which.... well, need I continue? What's worse, many classes ask you to treat options which aren't implimented as "live"... many of them never will be. And even if they were, wasn't the whole point of C++ and OOPs to prevent such stupidity? MS' seems to have gone to great length to bastardize OOP. Ah, but I'm getting off-topic here. =)
Yeah, they would have adopted linux (after China), but somebody found out the feng shi was bad and had to destroy all copies of redhat. In the meantime, they aquired several linux companies like LinuxOne with an option on two more, and sold them to an overseas firm who sold them back 10 Linux firms like LinuxOne. Meanwhile money had been filtered through the switzerland accounts, and finally it came back that the originator of this had about 1 billion in cash and 13 companies that didn't exist.
And that's the whole crux of the matter. If I'm a network admin and all my users have Outlook I really don't have much choice - I gotta go with MS Exchange. Even if it crashes daily. Even if I have to come in at 4:00am to reboot them. Even if I hate it. I have to use it because the support just isn't there. I'm literally forced into that solution. And until linux can catch up to me and say "hey, I have a solution to get you out of this mess." I can't switch - my users will kill me if they can't have those embraced-and-extended features Outlook has.
Hey, even my mom has started to like using Linux
Mine too. She thinks it looks "cute". =)
Okay, you have a point there. =) But, taking the point one step further: linux does not have support for MS Exchange, and while the server may not have Office on it, you can bet the Marketing and Sales departments all have Outlook on their desktops and want those nice embraced-and-extended features Outlook affords them.
Only proves that linux is great for commodity hardware. Which is what I said initially. It's source is freely available and fairly easy to navigate (well, if you love C *g*). It's only natural that it would branch into these markets. But it isn't exactly taking the corporate world by storm - and that's where the gigabucks are. Besides, the "embedded market" isn't sexy and all hyped up. Who cares what OS runs a department store's fridge or security system?
All in all though, linux is making progress at a very nice rate. It's hard to compare it's improvements with NT on a broad scale, however, because the focus is different for each OS. One focuses on the GUI and making things easier to administer. The other is focused on technical superiority.. even if that means that adding support for your zip drive requires 20 lines worth of typing in a fairly cryptic way.
At this point, the list of people not supporting Linux is likely shorter than the list of people who are. I think he's confusing support with "double click to add SP9 to your system" ease-of-fixing.
Are you trying to tell me that you wouldn't mind having a point-and-click kernel recompile with a snazzy interface that autodetects the optimal configuration for your system and then installs it automatically and asks you "would you like to reboot?" when it's done? Hey, linux isn't perfect. Support *really is* still an issue. And so's having a decent GUI. I don't care what the linux enthusiasts on /. say - gnome and kde are not on par with Windows. They're useful, sure. They even look sexier than windows (not hard, really). I use gnome and enlightenment every day. But it took me 2 years of constant work under linux to get to this point and I cannot and will not expect a columnist and the average joes out there to do the same. We're not there yet.
You know a company's in trouble when legal hairsplitting replaces common sense."
Gee, and I thought that's what every corporation does when they get into a legal dispute... but I must be mistaken - maybe they all try to go as fast as possible and generate as little paperwork as they can. Afterall, lawyers like to go home at 5:00 too, right? Even if according to the bill they worked 60 hours today...
Can you sense the bitterness here?
No.
how can they sleep at night knowing they were selling IE 4 + the upgrade equivalence of a service pack to the public, for the same price as a full operating system?
Maybe because the average consumer either a) didn't know any better b) didn't care or c) was the only thing they knew how to use and hence had to upgrade. Ignorance is a difficult thing to combat.. and it's routinely exploited. Just head over to a new car dealership for an example. I'm sure Bill and millions of other capitalists around the world will be sleeping soundly tonight. With their pillows filled with cash.
You also wouldn't believe the number of redhat owners that continue to do so well after they've been off linux. Or Solaris admins, for that matter...
Not only that, but Win2k is Microsoft's attempt to make NT a usefull OS - meaning you can play games on it. =)
Well, that's patently false. W2K, as stated by Microsoft itself, has been designed to combine the win98 and NT source trees together. If gaming was the only objective, they would have never implimented all the security, added directory services, file and printer sharing, so-called "zero management" / remote administration, or a plethora of other features. Sorry, but this OS wasn't designed just to play Quake.
It seems to me that the only way they can keep the OS stable is to prevent it from doing things - using easily written video card drivers for instance.
Yeah, isn't that called HAL, or the Hardware Abstraction Layer present in NT4 and W2K? Virtualize everything and put the hardware behind a complex API and then make damn sure the kernel is stable.
"...after all, once the DOJ gets through with them, they might be open source."
That's also false - a recently leaked report indicates they intend to break MS up into several "baby bills".
Does anyone here, even for a second, believe that Windows 2000 will not be a major software release and developers will scramble to support it? Ignore the technical issues: The "windows phenomenon" has nothing to do with technology, it has to do with marketing, the perception of reality, and human nature.
This article is paying lip-service to the community. Given ZD Net's track record I wouldn't be suprised if it was written specifically to get posted to slashdot (like many other articles like this which seem to make it to the front page). Don't buy it.
Linux is a versatile OS but it has many shortcomings which the pundits and many linux enthusiasts want to ignore - the hardware drivers are not on par with their NT counterparts, nor is the support infrastructure there. There are some drivers which are rock solid under linux, but the majority of them have quirks, bugs, and I'd say upwards of 50% are in "perma-beta". Further, the tcp/ip lock-spin problem as surfaced in the mindcraft testing seems to prove that linux does what it was designed to do: run well on *well supported* commodity hardware, do so with good stability, and makes an excellent server for home / small business use. However, for mega corporations and so-called "e-commerce" - it's lacking. This is called Solaris Country - big iron and massively redundant servers. the BSD's also do better in this arena (although, like Wendy's, they make superior burgers but everybody thinks McDonalds is better). The above paragraph is mainly here as a reality-check: linux is not perfect. It has shortcomings. The sooner we accept them (and then work to shore them up), the sooner we stop worrying about "beating microsoft" and start building superior code, that's the same day we win the war. If you want historical proof: japanese samauri(sp?) - they held the belief that by not concerning themselves with the outcome of battle they would win. And they did. Atleast until we dropped the bomb on them.
But, I digress. Mistrust articles like these: these little "opinion" columns are just paying lip service to whatever hype happens to the popular one at the moment. Go back and search for "push technology", or even earlier to the Macintosh and the windows 3.0 days... it's all the same: the pundits say what their readers want them to say. Just like slashdot likes to moderate and post people who agree with it's values and beliefs. Boil it all away and you're left with one thing - and it isn't the truth.
Okay, that's it. I'm filing my IPO. I'm releasing 200 karma shares of slashdot. Yeah, that's right - for $45 / share you too can have insanely high karma on slashdot. Simply send me your credit card, DOB and expiration date of the card, and I'll send you back some karma points. =)
Oxygen beta / cooker.
Cool. I'd take the special label in place of a beanie award. Can I? =)
Why must it be a hardware issue? My MS mouse worked fine, but the logitech one was hostile towards windoze.
Kid: "daddy, daddy, what's emacs?"
Father: *cough* "Go to your room son, this is a vi household."
Kid: "But.."
Father: "No ifs, ands, or butts. Any more out of you and I'll yank the cat5 out of the switch!"
A word of caution --
Unlike many betas us linux geeks use, this one is not ready for general use. It's not even really ready for your personal use. Think "Windows 2000" here. The installation has many bugs and large chasms with a sign before it that says "your code here".
The rpms themselves are fairly workable, but there are simply too many things in this distribution that require tweaking to get yourself a useable system. Hell, it took me 5 attempts to get a *bootable* system.
I don't have time for a complete review for slashdot, but here's what to look forward to, and what to avoid:
Pros --
- New partitioning utility. Worked great, and seemed faster than partition magic. Didn't get a chance to test it on NTFS but it worked flawlessly on FAT32.
- Installation - I gotta love how this auto-detected my PS/2 mouse and gave me a graphical installation which looked kinda nice. It also let you go back in the steps to re-do something if you decided you didn't want to do something. W98-SE, for comparison, locked up during install - I could not use a mouse for my W98 install. Just think about that. =)
- Fast. Very fast. They recompiled alot of stuff for speed and it shows. My system boots faster, X-windows renders faster, etc.
Cons --
- Installation can be painful. think "windows 3.0" painful. When it goes bad... *it* *goes* *bad*
- their lilo installer can fail for any reason or no reason. I like having a system that boots.. even if the installation aborted. The common one was pointing it to an empty partition and saying "windows will go there".
- support. The cooker list is high volume, and cries of "it won't work!" are common. While the mandrake guys do respond thoughtfully, there's just too much stuff to search through to see if your question was previously posted. It doesn't help that it's an open list and spammers have found it.
That about does it for now, hope you found it useful. - Sig11
I can tell you why they're gonna win the next cold war... they have a sexier website. Really, honestly now - how many of you geeks out there didn't consider a position because their website sucked? :)
It's likely hidden inside a .gif or .jpeg on the least-significant bit. Take each bit, put them in groups of 8 (usually) or 16 to form bytes. Then it's simply a matter of determining if it's noise or actual data. I will assume they made it fairly easy. Grab a mirroring utility, and a quick C program combined with linux' find utility should make this contest a snap. Assuming, of course, I'm right. =) If this was meant for the general public and not geeks, mirror the site and start a greppin' for html comment tags and ALT tags.
If you're talking nmap or queso, simply set all incoming packets with SYN set to be rejected from 1024:65535. queso and nmap both probe above the "trusted ports". Of course, for this to be effective you need to have the policy set to DENY, not REJECT.
This message will now self-destruct and be -1'd by our NSA-employed moderators as slashnull - the site that doesn't exist talking about an IPO that doesn't exist. God I love plausible deniability.
Seriously, anybody here honestly believe TV is a valid indicator of reality? Unbiased reporting doesn't exist (columbine and the hellmouth anyone? How about DeCSS?), and in many cases isn't even well-researched. I regard most of what I see on TV as gossip. The notable exceptions are: the weather (atleast they admit they lie!), Star Trek (which I believe is Divine Truth), and Monty Python re-runs.
The conservative elements in our society take TV far too seriously. Warping children's minds? Sure, flip on Barney and Friends or that Pokemon show. Violence and sex on TV, evil? Well, sex on TV doesn't hurt unless you fall off. As for the violent part... well, watching Roseanne.. *shudder*. Yeah, well.. I guess maybe they were right. Scratch this post. =)
Man, talk about a version conflict...
=================================
ERROR 10948:
Red Flag Linux detected. You did
not see this error, and troops have
been dispatched to your location, you
filthy traitor. Remain seated and your
death shall be quick and painless.
=================================
-- RED, WHITE, AND BLUE FLAG LINUX
"Yes, we're developing a distribution.. but if we told you anything more we'd have to kill you (and the binaries)."