Someone please tell me what I'm missing here. From what *I* see, there is absolutely NO comparison as to which is more readable. Safari is more readable on MY Windows XP Pro than either IE or FF, by a mile. I have a vanilla install of XP. Haven't done a thing to it. It's about as stock as you can get. I installed FF and Safari, then went to cnn.com. I have a screen shot of all 3 browsers side by side, and at the risk of eating up all my download allotment, here is the URL:
http://idisk.mac.com/Wingsy-Public/ScreenShot001.b mp
Is there anyone out there who can honestly say that FF or IE is more readable? They both look like they came right out of a dot matrix printer. Can someone post a screenshot where they think Safari is the least readable (if it's different from mine)?
OK, I started at CNN.com and opened 12 tabs. Then I closed 6 of them, then opened 6 more (different ones), then opened slashdot in the 13th, which is where I am now. I can barely see my pixel-perfect wallpaper because it is mostly obscured by this page. So I'm still waiting for my first crash. Next?
OK, on WinXP running Safari, I went to your link and brought back a litle something....
"A colleague at work tested it against some recent code we had written (heavy javascript, valid in all other browers). Crashed every time."
That's the text from the comment you say crashes for you. As you can see, it didn't crash for me. This is not to say that I don't believe you, but it is to say that it doesn't crash for everyone (which I'm sure doesn't change your opinion of Safari).
I've read elsewhere about that awful blurry text problem, compared to what FF & IE render in Windows. So I fired them both up side by side, to the same page, and I see exactly what you mean. It IS blurry! In fact, it is so blurry it no longer looks like it's been printed on a dot matrix printer. Really, viewing the two side by side, I cannot believe that anyone can read the pixelated FF page better than the font-smoothed Safari page. It ain't blurry, it's just got the jagged corners removed. Much more readable in my opinion.
I've used it on Windows XP Pro. A friend has been using it on Vista. Neither of us can find a single thing wrong with it in 2 days of browsing (even to my bank, the acid test of browsers). The LA Times reviewer recommends it. ComputerWorld praises it. But here on Slashdot about all I see are people giving it a thumbs down. Am I seeing a bit of bias here?
Someone direct me to a web page that Safari 3 on Windows XP renders horribly. Please, I wanna see.
It's as plain as the nose on your face. Walk into a Mac shop and sniff the moral. Walk into a Windows shop and do the same. Big difference. And someone is trying to tell me that it's just due to the profession maturing? Right.
"...so it's normal to find hardware not working fine with it"
Couldn't help but to comment on this.
That one sentence is a prime example of a major difference between Windows and Mac users. It is seldom one finds a Mac user who expects stuff not to work properly, whereas I see many Windows users who have this same expectation of performance. I don't understand how one can just casually expect their OS to not work.
I've been to pricegrabber many times and never noticed anything strange. In fact I went there just now and searched for cameras, then browsed through a few. No change in CPU activity. (10.4.8)
People keep bringing up radio as the means of alien communications. I say no way. To an alien, electromagnetic radiation is the worst possible means of communications through interstellar distances. If an alien race did happen to stumble onto one of our broadcasts they would probably think, "oh look, a race that has just learned to crawl". When those guys talk to each other they use tightly focused gigahertz gravity waves. They don't attenuate with distance, they go through anything, even a sun, and are totally interference free.
I know, cause I talk to them alla time with this "GraviTalk" walkie talkie they left behind on one of their visits.
I'll be siding with IBM on this one. You gotta watch Microsoft like a hawk, cause once they get their "Open XML" going, there ain't gonna be nuthin OPEN about it.
It never ceases to amaze me at these SETI type astronomers who just assume that other civilizations use radio waves for communications. I have it on good authority that most civilizations who stumble onto radio waves only use that form for a couple of hundred earth years, after which time, if they haven't blown themselves up, they move on to millimeter wave gravity waves. As we all know, garvity waves pass through anything without even the slightest bit of attenuation or distortion.
They're all listening for something that isn't there.
mmmmm.... when I click on a folder name (twice) to get into name-edit mode, then hit Escape, it cancels the edit.
Even if I hit Delete when editing the name and the name is nulled out, then hit Enter or Return or click elsewhere outside the name, it restores it to the previous name. It won't allow me to leave it with no name. Even if I hit the spacebar once to give it the invisible name of [one space] I can visit the Edit menu, choose Undo Rename, and the name I just changed is restored.
Just what version of OSX are you on? Or are you sure you're even ON OSX?
And so it goes, the world of Windows slowly but steadily moves forward in removing yet another piece of internet functionality, all in the name of security. Shame, isn't it, that because of Microsoft's swiss cheese products we can't seem to enjoy all the good things about the web that were promised?
Get this: My Tektronix TDS2014 oscilloscope (that's right, an oscilloscope) takes FORTY-FIVE seconds to "boot"! A stupid scope, taking so long to get it's act together. What kind of crap is that? How is it that anyone at TEK thought that 45 seconds was not going to piss me off every time I turn the thing on? Next time I'm in the market, startup time will be one thing I will definately look at. When I got this one it never occured to me to even ask.
Not to mention my Honda's navigation system.... first I have to acknowledge their disclaimer screen after several seconds of watching their logo (EVERY f---ing time!), then wait & wait until it's ready for me to do anything.
Guess I've been using my Mac's sleep feature way too much and forgot what the rest of the world has to go through.
"If a recent patent filing is any indication..."
Well, it isn't an indication of any such thing. Apple patents stuff alla time and some things make it and some don't. Just because you see Apple filing a patent doesn't mean they will do anything with it. More likely in this case it is to prevent others from marketing the idea.
No one has talked about the G forces that would hit that thing when they encounter that 30 degree ramp. Don't ya think that at 17,000mph, when it's deflected upwards that it's gonna plaster all its guts to the inside wall? I know they didn't forget this little detail but I wish they had more info on how they intend to handle that.
There were two ships, the Northhampton and the Wright. One was always at sea while the other was in port. I was on the USS Wright for a couple of years and it was a pretty cool place to be if you had to be somewhere in the Navy. During our 2-week cruise we would sail to some vacation resort (St. Thomas, St. Croix, Nova Scotia, Bermuda, etc) and tie up for a week. That was our "cruise". See, it carried so many top brass that us peons had it pretty good too - THEY didn't want to paddle around for 2 weeks at a time, so we always put in at some really nice port along the eastern seaboard. Captain was even nice enough to let us bring our motorcycles along. Like at San Juan, we had to report in at 8AM for a roll call, then we got on our bikes and toured the island until the next morning. The ship though, was something else. It was a converted aircraft carrier with a humongous antenna farm on the flight deck. The entire rear section of the ship was a powerful VLF transmitter, with vacuum tubes taller than I am. Each stage of the transmitter was in its own compartment (like the "Pi Network Room" sign on the door). They had this helicopter with twin interlocking blades (no tail rotor) that hauled a cable to 10,000 feet for the VLF antenna - the most powerful VLF transmitter in the world at that time (talking about ERP). All the pilot did was take off and land, as it was flown from the ship most of the time it was airborne. Most of the ship was off limits to everyone I knew, and all I did was calibrate & repair electronic test equipment.
Ever see the bow of a carrier underwater? Like they say, it's an adventure.:)
"...bots and viruses that plague us"
What's this "us" shit Kemosabe? I've never experienced any bots and/or viruses in the past 5 years or more. What kinda system are you running that has this affliction?
And if you bitch about having to buy an adapter to drive your Cinema with your new Mac, they may give you a 99 dollar discount right over the phone. They did for me when I bought my Quad.
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Someone please tell me what I'm missing here. From what *I* see, there is absolutely NO comparison as to which is more readable. Safari is more readable on MY Windows XP Pro than either IE or FF, by a mile. I have a vanilla install of XP. Haven't done a thing to it. It's about as stock as you can get. I installed FF and Safari, then went to cnn.com. I have a screen shot of all 3 browsers side by side, and at the risk of eating up all my download allotment, here is the URL: http://idisk.mac.com/Wingsy-Public/ScreenShot001.b mp
Is there anyone out there who can honestly say that FF or IE is more readable? They both look like they came right out of a dot matrix printer. Can someone post a screenshot where they think Safari is the least readable (if it's different from mine)?
Do you really think Apple counts an update received via the "Apple Software Update" (find it in your Start menu) as an entirely new download? I don't.
OK, I started at CNN.com and opened 12 tabs. Then I closed 6 of them, then opened 6 more (different ones), then opened slashdot in the 13th, which is where I am now. I can barely see my pixel-perfect wallpaper because it is mostly obscured by this page. So I'm still waiting for my first crash. Next?
OK, on WinXP running Safari, I went to your link and brought back a litle something.... "A colleague at work tested it against some recent code we had written (heavy javascript, valid in all other browers). Crashed every time." That's the text from the comment you say crashes for you. As you can see, it didn't crash for me. This is not to say that I don't believe you, but it is to say that it doesn't crash for everyone (which I'm sure doesn't change your opinion of Safari).
I've read elsewhere about that awful blurry text problem, compared to what FF & IE render in Windows. So I fired them both up side by side, to the same page, and I see exactly what you mean. It IS blurry! In fact, it is so blurry it no longer looks like it's been printed on a dot matrix printer. Really, viewing the two side by side, I cannot believe that anyone can read the pixelated FF page better than the font-smoothed Safari page. It ain't blurry, it's just got the jagged corners removed. Much more readable in my opinion.
I've used it on Windows XP Pro. A friend has been using it on Vista. Neither of us can find a single thing wrong with it in 2 days of browsing (even to my bank, the acid test of browsers). The LA Times reviewer recommends it. ComputerWorld praises it. But here on Slashdot about all I see are people giving it a thumbs down. Am I seeing a bit of bias here? Someone direct me to a web page that Safari 3 on Windows XP renders horribly. Please, I wanna see.
What in the HELL are you people talking about????
Sometime before I die I hope someone out there will make a movie from the book Tau Zero. Even if they turn it into an action-thriller.
It's as plain as the nose on your face. Walk into a Mac shop and sniff the moral. Walk into a Windows shop and do the same. Big difference. And someone is trying to tell me that it's just due to the profession maturing? Right.
"...so it's normal to find hardware not working fine with it"
Couldn't help but to comment on this.
That one sentence is a prime example of a major difference between Windows and Mac users. It is seldom one finds a Mac user who expects stuff not to work properly, whereas I see many Windows users who have this same expectation of performance. I don't understand how one can just casually expect their OS to not work.
I've been to pricegrabber many times and never noticed anything strange. In fact I went there just now and searched for cameras, then browsed through a few. No change in CPU activity. (10.4.8)
People keep bringing up radio as the means of alien communications. I say no way. To an alien, electromagnetic radiation is the worst possible means of communications through interstellar distances. If an alien race did happen to stumble onto one of our broadcasts they would probably think, "oh look, a race that has just learned to crawl". When those guys talk to each other they use tightly focused gigahertz gravity waves. They don't attenuate with distance, they go through anything, even a sun, and are totally interference free. I know, cause I talk to them alla time with this "GraviTalk" walkie talkie they left behind on one of their visits.
I'll be siding with IBM on this one. You gotta watch Microsoft like a hawk, cause once they get their "Open XML" going, there ain't gonna be nuthin OPEN about it.
It never ceases to amaze me at these SETI type astronomers who just assume that other civilizations use radio waves for communications. I have it on good authority that most civilizations who stumble onto radio waves only use that form for a couple of hundred earth years, after which time, if they haven't blown themselves up, they move on to millimeter wave gravity waves. As we all know, garvity waves pass through anything without even the slightest bit of attenuation or distortion. They're all listening for something that isn't there.
mmmmm.... when I click on a folder name (twice) to get into name-edit mode, then hit Escape, it cancels the edit.
Even if I hit Delete when editing the name and the name is nulled out, then hit Enter or Return or click elsewhere outside the name, it restores it to the previous name. It won't allow me to leave it with no name. Even if I hit the spacebar once to give it the invisible name of [one space] I can visit the Edit menu, choose Undo Rename, and the name I just changed is restored.
Just what version of OSX are you on? Or are you sure you're even ON OSX?
And so it goes, the world of Windows slowly but steadily moves forward in removing yet another piece of internet functionality, all in the name of security. Shame, isn't it, that because of Microsoft's swiss cheese products we can't seem to enjoy all the good things about the web that were promised?
Get this: My Tektronix TDS2014 oscilloscope (that's right, an oscilloscope) takes FORTY-FIVE seconds to "boot"! A stupid scope, taking so long to get it's act together. What kind of crap is that? How is it that anyone at TEK thought that 45 seconds was not going to piss me off every time I turn the thing on? Next time I'm in the market, startup time will be one thing I will definately look at. When I got this one it never occured to me to even ask. Not to mention my Honda's navigation system.... first I have to acknowledge their disclaimer screen after several seconds of watching their logo (EVERY f---ing time!), then wait & wait until it's ready for me to do anything. Guess I've been using my Mac's sleep feature way too much and forgot what the rest of the world has to go through.
"If a recent patent filing is any indication..." Well, it isn't an indication of any such thing. Apple patents stuff alla time and some things make it and some don't. Just because you see Apple filing a patent doesn't mean they will do anything with it. More likely in this case it is to prevent others from marketing the idea.
In sleep my G5 Quad draws 18 watts. 250 watts working under a typical load and 340 with all 4 cores running flat out.
My Core 2 Duo iMac sleeps at 2 watts, runs at 44, and 65 when pushed to its limits.
No one has talked about the G forces that would hit that thing when they encounter that 30 degree ramp. Don't ya think that at 17,000mph, when it's deflected upwards that it's gonna plaster all its guts to the inside wall? I know they didn't forget this little detail but I wish they had more info on how they intend to handle that.
"... as long as you have a user smart enough to avoid the majority or viruses and spyware XP doesn't crash very often."
Couldn't have said it better myself.
There were two ships, the Northhampton and the Wright. One was always at sea while the other was in port. I was on the USS Wright for a couple of years and it was a pretty cool place to be if you had to be somewhere in the Navy. During our 2-week cruise we would sail to some vacation resort (St. Thomas, St. Croix, Nova Scotia, Bermuda, etc) and tie up for a week. That was our "cruise". See, it carried so many top brass that us peons had it pretty good too - THEY didn't want to paddle around for 2 weeks at a time, so we always put in at some really nice port along the eastern seaboard. Captain was even nice enough to let us bring our motorcycles along. Like at San Juan, we had to report in at 8AM for a roll call, then we got on our bikes and toured the island until the next morning. The ship though, was something else. It was a converted aircraft carrier with a humongous antenna farm on the flight deck. The entire rear section of the ship was a powerful VLF transmitter, with vacuum tubes taller than I am. Each stage of the transmitter was in its own compartment (like the "Pi Network Room" sign on the door). They had this helicopter with twin interlocking blades (no tail rotor) that hauled a cable to 10,000 feet for the VLF antenna - the most powerful VLF transmitter in the world at that time (talking about ERP). All the pilot did was take off and land, as it was flown from the ship most of the time it was airborne. Most of the ship was off limits to everyone I knew, and all I did was calibrate & repair electronic test equipment. Ever see the bow of a carrier underwater? Like they say, it's an adventure. :)
"...bots and viruses that plague us" What's this "us" shit Kemosabe? I've never experienced any bots and/or viruses in the past 5 years or more. What kinda system are you running that has this affliction?
On another side, take also in account that Vista will probably have a lifespan comparable to XP, something like 5-6 years.
If they're gonna introduce another new OS in 5-6 years then they better get busy, now.
And if you bitch about having to buy an adapter to drive your Cinema with your new Mac, they may give you a 99 dollar discount right over the phone. They did for me when I bought my Quad.