Bingo. I could never figure out why everyone just nodded and thought nothing of it.
Both trade and to some degree budgetary policy was altered and manufacturing was bid a fond farewell. I'm not saying we should be erecting trade barriers because history shows that is _really_ bad.
America has to have _something_ to trade that they bought low and sell high to other consumers in the world. I don't see how services fits into that picture.
If the two were in the exact same segments, this is kind of how acquisitions go. The first one goes relatively cheap and the price of acquisitions rise in a given segment while the last few acquisitions are astronomically priced.
But they aren't the same sort of acquisitions so I think it's a coincidence.
The Windows NT (which all Windows versions since XP are derived from) security model is comprehensive, powerful and granular..
If it's so great then why can't I just put an unpatched windows box on the internet with a public IP?
It has always been possible to log on as a safe unprivileged user for normal work.
Now that's just nowhere near the truth. I've got a stack of games that don't work in user mode. Intuit applications don't run in user mode. Furthermore, blaming resellers for Microsoft's design failures has no basis in reality.
I agree that moving files over is a minor issue. But, the other stuff is pure flamebait.
Walking my family through command line installs of libraries Your printer remarks are equally suspect.
...thousands of dollars.... THOUSANDS of dollars on software for the typical email/browser/occasional document machine? Are you serious? If you are, then it's not my fault they overpaid.
The biggest security advantage wrt viruses etc that Linux has now is small market share.
Wrong.
Windows security model and the *nix security model is a false analogy. In no way are they comparable.
Instead of making false analogies, why don't you install a Linux distro and discover all of the benefits of running a sensibly designed, though hardly perfect, OS. Yes, you trade anti-virus subscriptions, anti-spyware software and Microsoft treating you like a criminal with their WGA software for some hardware incompatibility.
Overall, you get to concentrate much more on using rather than taking care of the PC.
o you think because Linux distro's do things slightly differently
The security models are _not_ comparable. At all. Yes, Microsoft is trying to emulate unix-ish security model on the surface, below that the whole Microsoft security objects model is a complicated mess that culminates in "Are you sure you want to do this?"
Blaming Windows on security problems cart-blanc seems pretty ridiculous (they get credit, but all the credit?). While they are running on 98% of all PC's yes, I give them all the credit.
I certainly won't start trying to strong-arm my friends and family This statement is an attempt to marginalize a different choice in operating systems. Please examine your motives carefully and get back to me when you and I are in the same room talking to my friends and family.
I'd rather have them follow a few basic security measures Yes, and Windows is still broadcasting (!) open ports, users run as administrator, and zero-day attacks remain a very low priority for Microsoft while Windows Media Player DRM patching is a high priority. End result: they still get malware.
Windows is a broken user security model. I encourage you to expand your horizon.
This kind of litigation is quite typical in public agency contracting.
When the 600 lb. gorilla doesn't get the contract these are some of the tricks:
1. Back-room negotiating with the agency. (re: Microsoft/ODF in MA) 2. Negotiate with the contract winner to have _the contract winner_ become a sub-contractor to the 600 lb. gorilla "or else." Very common. 3. Arrange some campaign donations and kick the issue upstairs to have the contract awarded to the 600 lb. gorilla. (re: Microsoft/ODF in MA)
When those steps don't work, then the litigation flies.
Just because diebold the./ whipping boy, doesn't mean this is new or different. This is one reason why gov't purchasing is so high-stakes. The litigation can be endless.
Why, in this day and age, are we having a conversation about anti-virus anything?
Instead of accommodating Microsoft's severely broken security model, now updated with "are you sure you want to do this?" Just flush that windows partition and install your linux distro of choice, or install linux on the PC and give it away, or get a Mac.
No, sysadmins like me won't be doing this at work anytime soon. Ever since I told family and friends who needed computer support I won't fix windows and gave them the option of buying a mac or switching to Linux, I'm having much more fun on my days off.
The extra benefit is I don't have to discover some of the ummm, unusual, tastes-and-preferences in my friends cache.
As someone that has been working hard to develop some competency with VOIP serving, it seems that anyone trying to do anything with http://www.openser.org/ without voicemail or POTS services is royally screwed.
On the face of it, 12 severe for windows and 2 severe for Linux is farking spectacular considering the amount of security review the source code of major application for Linux gets.
There's a number of critical errors with the parent post, hopefully it won't get modded up.
1. Inkjets spray ink onto the page and they (kind of) layer ink too. That's why you don't get the pretty lines on your PHB's Visio diagram. They can actually get higher lines per millimeter than a laser printer. The transfer method relies on paper acting like a sponge. Try containing a drop of dye to a pretty circle on your kitchen sponge. Same idea. It turns out photos look great because your eyes are so busy and the colors/shapes so discontinuous. Simple printing method.
2. Laser's transfer the ink from a drum onto a page, then kind of cook the ink to make it stick to the page. The paper acts much less like a sponge and the way the ink is delivered to the drum is quite x/y precise but the drums cannot set inks up at very high lines per millimeter. They can't do some of the inkjet tricks. Great Visio diagrams, very complicated printing method.
Finally, these guys don't have a chance. Once they show it to the OEM's. The "not invented here" attitude at those conglomerates coupled with their ability to knock off what was just demo'ed means they should just close up shop or build the entire printer themselves and show no one how they do it.
Note to printing geeks, I have glossed over how 4/6/8 inks make many colors to make a point.
Maybe you don't have an axe to grind, and maybe you do understand how judicial power works in this country, but for those that don't a simple explanation follows:
The Judicial branch interprets the laws and their application to actual human events. Their humans appointed for political reasons, so their is some, but not much consistency in their interpretations.
They don't enforce laws, they don't make laws so their powers are limited. There really is no need to _challenge_ the courts. Change the law the courts enforce and the courts have no choice but to follow.
This process has been abused by a few people trying to circumvent the law-making process because it's more expedient to change the way a rule is enforced than it is to actually change the law. In the same way, the RIAA can hold off the lower-courts almost indefinitely because they will exploit holes in the judicial process or the other party will run out of money.
In both cases the winner-takes-all at the expense of the principals that keep a society relatively transparent and stable.
the solution to security is a series of hacks, workarounds, and black boxes
Outside of some very specific gov't spooks contract work, no one is willing to adopt the other because it's more expensive and requires more thought and risk than the average PHB can handle.
Case in point: The number of cashless casino gaming systems that are centrally managed. The average casino manager understands their casino systems are a single, massive, point of failure. Just wait till they go to cashless floors and someone engineers a jackpot for themselves.
Security programming is hard. Really hard. The developers at these companies may _want_ to do the right thing, but they don't because of the complexity and limited resources.
The big-digital-bank-robbery just hasn't happened yet.
I wonder if he'll be a capable exec though. The politics is rough and we don't know what kind of authority/reach he has. For example, budgets? hire/fires? or is it more.... Figurehead type meet-and-greeter. Every organization that can afford them has a stable of ponies just for this purpose.
Good luck to him. I really hope it works out considering the disparaging remarks posted earlier today.
1. Another post mentions a concatenation of problems. I agree with this post.
2. Ubuntu is not a good server distro! Stable and well-tested older packages are a strength of Debian. Yes there is a large class of sysadmins that like keeping odd hours running buggier systems. They generally burnout or learn how valuable stable is. To address the rather immature "needs newer packages" complaints, may I refer you to http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php
3. Depth of Knowledge There are still, many excellent Debian sysadmins out there that share and certainly have brought my skills up to a higher level. I don't see the same depth in Ubuntu forums.
4. Ubuntu Money Mark's bringing money to the table, he gets to call the shots. That's well and good because the honeymoon is on right now. What happens when the honeymoon is over? Debian doesn't look organized compared to a guy calling the shots with his bankroll. It's an apples-and-oranges comparison.
5. Etch I'm running etch right now on my desktop and in testing. It was ubuntu-release quality months ago.
What the summary actually wants to do is to buy a naked pc from some well-known pc resellers at a price below a Windows-equipped pc.
There's a million reasons why this wont happen. Most of which comes down to the expense to do so in a big pc reseller like dell. What role does the pc reseller have left?
In this _very_ specific case it is the consumer that has to do a little searching for a naked pc.
And yes, it will be more than an os-equipped PC. Microsoft, for once, is not directly to blame.
What makes matters worse is they are married to skype/ebay.
They've already flushed a couple of suitcases of cash down the toilet, I'm not sure why they didn't just colo some voip servers in specific markets they were targeting. At this point VOIP servers and POTS bridges are not rocket science. From there a simple bridge to the customers skype account and you are done.
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Bingo. I could never figure out why everyone just nodded and thought nothing of it.
Both trade and to some degree budgetary policy was altered and manufacturing was bid a fond farewell. I'm not saying we should be erecting trade barriers because history shows that is _really_ bad.
America has to have _something_ to trade that they bought low and sell high to other consumers in the world. I don't see how services fits into that picture.
If the two were in the exact same segments, this is kind of how acquisitions go. The first one goes relatively cheap and the price of acquisitions rise in a given segment while the last few acquisitions are astronomically priced.
But they aren't the same sort of acquisitions so I think it's a coincidence.
The Windows NT (which all Windows versions since XP are derived from) security model is comprehensive, powerful and granular..
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If it's so great then why can't I just put an unpatched windows box on the internet with a public IP?
It has always been possible to log on as a safe unprivileged user for normal work.
Now that's just nowhere near the truth. I've got a stack of games that don't work in user mode. Intuit applications don't run in user mode. Furthermore, blaming resellers for Microsoft's design failures has no basis in reality.
Microsoft's alleged priority of patching of WMP DRM failures
See here for an example: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/07/1
Right on.
Walking my family through command line installs of libraries
Your printer remarks are equally suspect.
THOUSANDS of dollars on software for the typical email/browser/occasional document machine? Are you serious? If you are, then it's not my fault they overpaid.
The biggest security advantage wrt viruses etc that Linux has now is small market share.
Wrong.
Windows security model and the *nix security model is a false analogy. In no way are they comparable.
Instead of making false analogies, why don't you install a Linux distro and discover all of the benefits of running a sensibly designed, though hardly perfect, OS. Yes, you trade anti-virus subscriptions, anti-spyware software and Microsoft treating you like a criminal with their WGA software for some hardware incompatibility.
Overall, you get to concentrate much more on using rather than taking care of the PC.
o you think because Linux distro's do things slightly differently
The security models are _not_ comparable. At all. Yes, Microsoft is trying to emulate unix-ish security model on the surface, below that the whole Microsoft security objects model is a complicated mess that culminates in "Are you sure you want to do this?"
Blaming Windows on security problems cart-blanc seems pretty ridiculous (they get credit, but all the credit?).
While they are running on 98% of all PC's yes, I give them all the credit.
I certainly won't start trying to strong-arm my friends and family
This statement is an attempt to marginalize a different choice in operating systems. Please examine your motives carefully and get back to me when you and I are in the same room talking to my friends and family.
I'd rather have them follow a few basic security measures
Yes, and Windows is still broadcasting (!) open ports, users run as administrator, and zero-day attacks remain a very low priority for Microsoft while Windows Media Player DRM patching is a high priority. End result: they still get malware.
Windows is a broken user security model. I encourage you to expand your horizon.
This kind of litigation is quite typical in public agency contracting.
./ whipping boy, doesn't mean this is new or different. This is one reason why gov't purchasing is so high-stakes. The litigation can be endless.
When the 600 lb. gorilla doesn't get the contract these are some of the tricks:
1. Back-room negotiating with the agency. (re: Microsoft/ODF in MA)
2. Negotiate with the contract winner to have _the contract winner_ become a sub-contractor to the 600 lb. gorilla "or else." Very common.
3. Arrange some campaign donations and kick the issue upstairs to have the contract awarded to the 600 lb. gorilla. (re: Microsoft/ODF in MA)
When those steps don't work, then the litigation flies.
Just because diebold the
Why, in this day and age, are we having a conversation about anti-virus anything?
Instead of accommodating Microsoft's severely broken security model, now updated with "are you sure you want to do this?" Just flush that windows partition and install your linux distro of choice, or install linux on the PC and give it away, or get a Mac.
No, sysadmins like me won't be doing this at work anytime soon. Ever since I told family and friends who needed computer support I won't fix windows and gave them the option of buying a mac or switching to Linux, I'm having much more fun on my days off.
The extra benefit is I don't have to discover some of the ummm, unusual, tastes-and-preferences in my friends cache.
As someone that has been working hard to develop some competency with VOIP serving, it seems that anyone trying to do anything with http://www.openser.org/ without voicemail or POTS services is royally screwed.
You can't touch it.
This one deserves a headline at http://www.chillingeffects.org/.
Anyone have any ideas as to how one can operate a VOIP server for free and still pay the bandwidth bill each month? I'm serious, I'm open to anything
I tend to believe this is a kind of abuse of the courts.
*All* big companies and political campaigns beyond water commissioner appointments do exactly this kind of opposition research.
What's illegal about me giving a gmail address while I work for an Oracle competitor and buy some oracle products/services for research?
On the face of it, 12 severe for windows and 2 severe for Linux is farking spectacular considering the amount of security review the source code of major application for Linux gets.
There's a number of critical errors with the parent post, hopefully it won't get modded up.
1. Inkjets spray ink onto the page and they (kind of) layer ink too. That's why you don't get the pretty lines on your PHB's Visio diagram. They can actually get higher lines per millimeter than a laser printer. The transfer method relies on paper acting like a sponge. Try containing a drop of dye to a pretty circle on your kitchen sponge. Same idea. It turns out photos look great because your eyes are so busy and the colors/shapes so discontinuous. Simple printing method.
2. Laser's transfer the ink from a drum onto a page, then kind of cook the ink to make it stick to the page. The paper acts much less like a sponge and the way the ink is delivered to the drum is quite x/y precise but the drums cannot set inks up at very high lines per millimeter. They can't do some of the inkjet tricks. Great Visio diagrams, very complicated printing method.
Finally, these guys don't have a chance. Once they show it to the OEM's. The "not invented here" attitude at those conglomerates coupled with their ability to knock off what was just demo'ed means they should just close up shop or build the entire printer themselves and show no one how they do it.
Note to printing geeks, I have glossed over how 4/6/8 inks make many colors to make a point.
Maybe you don't have an axe to grind, and maybe you do understand how judicial power works in this country, but for those that don't a simple explanation follows:
The Judicial branch interprets the laws and their application to actual human events. Their humans appointed for political reasons, so their is some, but not much consistency in their interpretations.
They don't enforce laws, they don't make laws so their powers are limited. There really is no need to _challenge_ the courts. Change the law the courts enforce and the courts have no choice but to follow.
This process has been abused by a few people trying to circumvent the law-making process because it's more expedient to change the way a rule is enforced than it is to actually change the law. In the same way, the RIAA can hold off the lower-courts almost indefinitely because they will exploit holes in the judicial process or the other party will run out of money.
In both cases the winner-takes-all at the expense of the principals that keep a society relatively transparent and stable.
It's clearly not going to happen on the floor in front of a slot machine.
The backend running those games is on a network.
What are the chances they've got a gateway that goes to the interweb?
What are the chances they are relying on Windows for their security?
The people running the casino are pretty busy with their day-to-day stuff, not infosec.
the solution to security is a series of hacks, workarounds, and black boxes
Outside of some very specific gov't spooks contract work, no one is willing to adopt the other because it's more expensive and requires more thought and risk than the average PHB can handle.
Case in point: The number of cashless casino gaming systems that are centrally managed. The average casino manager understands their casino systems are a single, massive, point of failure. Just wait till they go to cashless floors and someone engineers a jackpot for themselves.
Security programming is hard. Really hard. The developers at these companies may _want_ to do the right thing, but they don't because of the complexity and limited resources.
The big-digital-bank-robbery just hasn't happened yet.
At least appears greener than Debian.
I wonder if he'll be a capable exec though. The politics is rough and we don't know what kind of authority/reach he has. For example, budgets? hire/fires? or is it more.... Figurehead type meet-and-greeter. Every organization that can afford them has a stable of ponies just for this purpose.
Good luck to him. I really hope it works out considering the disparaging remarks posted earlier today.
So a a PHP app has you on the upgrade treadmill eh?
apt-get source phpXX should get you the build script to do your own package. It's all there. It's not hard either.
I had that job once. I found another employer who valued service and stability over forced upgrade cycles and service disruptions.
The key is your distro is capable in some way or another of using the word Java and their logo and probably redistributing it.
Follow these instructions: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install/Debian
Works beautifully on the graphics chips listed.
KDE has some minor issues, but the whole 3D desktop and animated windows works perfectly.
Like other posts, I don't see the huge technical advantage Ubuntu has. I see Mark Shuttleworth spending money giving ubuntu more visibility.
Let's get a few things straight.
1. Another post mentions a concatenation of problems. I agree with this post.
2. Ubuntu is not a good server distro!
Stable and well-tested older packages are a strength of Debian. Yes there is a large class of sysadmins that like keeping odd hours running buggier systems. They generally burnout or learn how valuable stable is. To address the rather immature "needs newer packages" complaints, may I refer you to http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php
3. Depth of Knowledge
There are still, many excellent Debian sysadmins out there that share and certainly have brought my skills up to a higher level. I don't see the same depth in Ubuntu forums.
4. Ubuntu Money
Mark's bringing money to the table, he gets to call the shots. That's well and good because the honeymoon is on right now. What happens when the honeymoon is over? Debian doesn't look organized compared to a guy calling the shots with his bankroll. It's an apples-and-oranges comparison.
5. Etch
I'm running etch right now on my desktop and in testing. It was ubuntu-release quality months ago.
ITX computers are the perfect example of a PC with few, if any hidden revenue.
Thanks.
What the summary actually wants to do is to buy a naked pc from some well-known pc resellers at a price below a Windows-equipped pc.
There's a million reasons why this wont happen. Most of which comes down to the expense to do so in a big pc reseller like dell. What role does the pc reseller have left?
In this _very_ specific case it is the consumer that has to do a little searching for a naked pc.
And yes, it will be more than an os-equipped PC. Microsoft, for once, is not directly to blame.
Here here.
What makes matters worse is they are married to skype/ebay.
They've already flushed a couple of suitcases of cash down the toilet, I'm not sure why they didn't just colo some voip servers in specific markets they were targeting. At this point VOIP servers and POTS bridges are not rocket science. From there a simple bridge to the customers skype account and you are done.
Microsoft has an end-game that's not yet clear.
When, ever, has Microsoft done something that doesn't specifically enhance their bottom line?
Maybe they are going after a walled garden DNS system for Microsoft OS licensees? Nice hooks into their Sharepoint/Exchange crack pipe?