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Microsoft to Sue Cybersquatters

An anonymous reader writes "The Financial Times writes that Microsoft will launch a series of lawsuits against cybersquatters, and will urge other companies to help tackle what it says is a growing problem on the internet. Microsoft says it hopes its example will encourage other trademark owners to bring similar lawsuits: "Cybersquatting is a growing problem for brands around the world and we hope to educate other brand holders and encourage them to take action," said Aaron Kornblum, senior attorney on Microsoft's internet safety enforcement team."

221 comments

  1. Wonderful! by Lenneth-chan · · Score: 1

    Once Microsoft takes care of the cybersquatters and the spammers, my internet browsing experience will be perfect! ... So, bets on when that's going to happen?

    1. Re:Wonderful! by somersault · · Score: 1

      "Microsoft's internet safety enforcement team."

      Sing it with me now.. "Microsoft.. FSCK yeah!!"

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    2. Re:Wonderful! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Report any suspect sites to http://www.microsofft.com/.

    3. Re:Wonderful! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once Microsoft takes care of the cybersquatters and the spammers, my internet browsing experience will be perfect! Once Microsoft takes care of the cybersquatters and the spammers, fix their browser, my internet browsing experience will be perfect!

      sorry, couldn't resist :)
    4. Re:Wonderful! by Lenneth-chan · · Score: 1

      Oh, but I use Firefox. :)

  2. OpenDNS by fishdan · · Score: 0
    I once owned microsofd.com thinking I'd make a fortune off or people with colds once voice recognition software was the input of choice for browsing. *sigh* Back to the drawing board.

    But seriously, isn't this already addressed well through OpenDNS?

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    1. Re:OpenDNS by Tokimasa · · Score: 0

      OpenDNS involves changing the DNS servers that you use. Most people at home won't know how to do this or just don't even know that this exists. What Microsoft wants to do, regardless of their motives, is shut these people down and potentially let others who have a real interest in the domain have the ability to acquire them.

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    2. Re:OpenDNS by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 3, Informative

      But seriously, isn't this already addressed well through OpenDNS [opendns.org]? Not everyone can use OpenDNS, for one. For another, OpenDNS works by not exactly following the RFC, attempting to correct mistakes made by users instead of directing them to the appropriate error page. OpenDNS is DWIM (do what I mean) and well, DWIM (as any regular user of zsh can testify to) has never quite worked right.
    3. Re:OpenDNS by vp_development · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Although OpenDNS has saved me from several typos, I don't think that eliminates the need to sue Cybersquatters who are making money my intercepting traffic that was intended to go elsewhere. The fact there is an industry churing out sites like espnn.com is like a city putting up a delibierately misleading sign on a highway that diverted people onto a toll road (although I swear that's the way the GW Bridge is set up).

    4. Re:OpenDNS by fishdan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The above points are all well taken -- I guess I was just concerned about corporations throwing their weight around and rushing to litigate in the knowledge that most people will not or cannot afford to fight them. I was working at Palm when Palm sued the owner of www.mypalm.com, in a move that was internally regarded as completely unjustified by everyone who didn't wear a suit to work. Palm eventually dropped the suit and settled with the guy when the developers revolted against corporate on this issue (if only we'd known that was the tip if the iceberg).

      I'm afraid that this precedent could lead to many other cases of companies trying to seize domains they want through legal methods. I'd rather see people get their DNS from someone they trust, than a judge decide that Delta Airlines owns the trademark to the word Delta.

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    5. Re:OpenDNS by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 1

      Well, it's more like some clown got out of his car on the median and put up the sign instead of the city, but I get the analogy.

      As long as the sign's not misleading (saying it's Microsoft and/or not disclosing the toll), the issue is even less here, since unlike on roads citizens can indeed advertise on the intratubes.

    6. Re:OpenDNS by TechForensics · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Let me tell you about a guy named Mike Rowe who registered MikeRoweSoft.com. He was just a kid and M$ went after them in all of its awful majesty and by the time the dust cleared, M$ had the domain and the kid, I think, had a new Xbox and some educational packages "to help his career along". Hm, wonder whether he asked to learn about the Linux kernel.

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    7. Re:OpenDNS by 26199 · · Score: 1

      Interesting story.

      It's a tricky issue. Having a trademark means you're responsible for actively defending that trademark. If you don't, you can lose it. And that would be a nasty thing indeed for any big business.

      That said it would be perfectly valid to just request that the owner of mypalm.com posted a 'palm is a trademark of' notice... and probably much cheaper.

    8. Re:OpenDNS by Lockejaw · · Score: 1

      AFAIK it would only be a trademark issue if mypalm.com is producing/selling handheld computers; mypalm.com looks like it's just a personal site about them. IANAL, so I imagine someone may correct me.

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    9. Re:OpenDNS by HUADPE · · Score: 1

      Also, given the normal traffic in the area of the GW, you have about an hour to parse every sign along the way.

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    10. Re:OpenDNS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give me a fucking break. They are doing it for the ca$h. Microsoft doesn't do anything unless money is involved.

    11. Re:OpenDNS by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Microsoft doesn't do anything unless money is involved.
      As opposed to the cybersquatters, who are holding the websites just to display their opinion? The opinion that "This website is available for lease or for sale. Please contact " etc, etc.

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    12. Re:OpenDNS by eln · · Score: 1

      Mike Rowe received:

              His expenses paid,
              The cost of switching to a new site,
              Training on certification of Microsoft products,
              Subscription to Microsoft's developer program website,
              An Xbox games console with games,
              An invitation for himself and his parents to Microsoft's HQ in Washington for an annual technology fair.

      So basically, he got an XBox and everything he would need to embark on a career supporting Microsoft software. Given that, it's unlikely he used anything Microsoft gave him to become a Linux hacker.

    13. Re:OpenDNS by fishdan · · Score: 1

      You forget the fact that people who drive near the GW are obligated by law to ignore all the signs. I hope you're not the wiseass who has actually been trying to get to his exit lane with some forethought instead of that the last minute!

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    14. Re:OpenDNS by Kalriath · · Score: 0

      Considering they had every legal right to crush him into financial dust for that, I reckon the kid got a pretty good deal.

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    15. Re:OpenDNS by jo42 · · Score: 1

      So, just like the mob, he was threatened and then paid off after he bent over for the Evil Empire (tm).

  3. Go Microsoft! by inviolet · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think I shall blow some karma by cheering Microsoft on. Cybersquatting has long tickled my free-rider detector, so it would be nice to see a few of them get pwned.

    And never mind the malevolence of many of the squatters' typotrap websites.

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    1. Re:Go Microsoft! by DaMattster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As much as I hate M$, I have to cheer them on for this. These squatters are a major nuisance. Also, these squatters try to install spyware and trojans on your computer. Or even worse, try to spread a bot net attack.

    2. Re:Go Microsoft! by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

      The thing that pisses me off about it is how they game search engine results, more than the stupid typo-squatting itself. These sites wouldn't be a real problem if we could cut out that bit of their business.

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    3. Re:Go Microsoft! by Seumas · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, this lawsuit idea is all fine and great if you're a big corporation like Microsoft. The small guy, like myself who has had malicious people squat on domains (my site, for example, but .net and .org, etc for example) are fucked because we can't afford thousands and thousands of dollars to bring a lawsuit against someone on the other side of the country.

      (And yes, this person squating my domains is doing so maliciously as they are a former user who continually harassed other users. Then there is also the person who put up the same site and service as mine and used the same domain name, but with one letter off - causing people to constantly confuse the two so that I frequently get complaints by email about problems on my site... that is actually on the OTHER site).

      So... frankly.... I don't give a fuck about all of this. Yay corporations. Have fun running our internet.

    4. Re:Go Microsoft! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Squatters need sued, but will they go after parody sites as well and call them squatters?

    5. Re:Go Microsoft! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's just an attack on Google. They'll start the cybersquatting and the point out the millions google makes off addwords on the cybersquatting pages.

    6. Re:Go Microsoft! by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Logical fallacy (hasty induction):

      P is bad
      P is a subset of Q
      Therefore, Q is Bad

    7. Re:Go Microsoft! by geoffspear · · Score: 1

      Well, if the cybersquatters are forced into bankruptcy by being hit with huge judgments in favor of Microsoft, they won't be able to afford to register variations of your domain name anymore. Plus one would think there'd be an overall deterrent effect on people thinking of getting into the cybersquatting business.

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    8. Re:Go Microsoft! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I believe his argument was: Q is bad. P, which Q is a subset of, is also bad. Therefore, Q is even worse.

    9. Re:Go Microsoft! by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Moral of the story: when you register domains for your business name, register the .com, .net, .org, .biz, and .us (or whatever TLD exists for your country). This negates the necessity of a squatter or competitor from infringing on your trademark.

      Believe it or not there are alternatives to litigation, even in today's sue-happy climate.

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    10. Re:Go Microsoft! by pubjames · · Score: 1

      I think I shall blow some karma by cheering Microsoft on. Cybersquatting has long tickled my free-rider detector, so it would be nice to see a few of them get pwned.

      I once had the unpleasant experience of being targeted by the attack lawers of a big company. I had a domain name registered which contained part of their company name, and it was a generic word was relevant to my website. As an individual when you start getting letters and threatening (in the legal way...) phone calls from a big legal company, what do you do? Even if legally you know you are probably in the right, the time and expense to fight it is just not worth it.

      So, althought I agree that cybersquatters are scum, so are many lawyers and either should be encouraged!

    11. Re:Go Microsoft! by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      This is a case of the lesser of two evils. I'm actually on MS' side here. Of course if you are some small business or individual with limited resources you won't be able to carry out an expensive legal campaign. The laws need to adjusted to aid folks like this.

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    12. Re:Go Microsoft! by ePhil_One · · Score: 1
      Squatters need sued, but will they go after parody sites as well and call them squatters?

      If they could be interpreted as Cybersquatting, yes. If you host your parody site at http://user.aol.com/~Coward/MSSucks.html; no. http://www.microshaft.com/ might have an issue (clearly parody, but only a 2 letter delta). http://www.microsoftsucks.com/ might get a letter, but clearly has a legitimate defense.

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    13. Re:Go Microsoft! by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      This was my concern as well. Seeing as I operate a gripe site that has been threatened, I am constantly wary of developments like this. So far I have confidence that I am in the right in my site's right to exist according to US code Title 15 and 22, but all it takes is a big enough lobby group to remove those rights from me.

      For those interested in the lawyers threat and my response (with annotations to US code) it can be found here: http://farmersreallysucks.com/editorialtakedown1.s html
      -nB

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    14. Re:Go Microsoft! by sootman · · Score: 2, Funny

      They must be looking for a new noble cause to undertake since they solved Spam last year. Go team!

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    15. Re:Go Microsoft! by lionheart1327 · · Score: 1

      I'm all for the getting rid of cyber-squatters, but I sure hope these companies just threaten before they sue.

      One time I registered a domain for personal use that, when you group the letters differently, just happened to be the name of a multi-billion dollar corporation that I had never heard of.

      You can bet I was surprised when a couple months later I got a nice thick package in the mail from their attorneys.

      Thankfully they decided not to take my house after I gave them ownership of the domain, but still.

      Seriously, threaten before you sue. The "cyber-squatter" may have never heard of you before.

    16. Re:Go Microsoft! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Also, these squatters try to install spyware and trojans on your computer."

      No, they try to install spy ware and Trojans on Windows boxes.

    17. Re:Go Microsoft! by reemul · · Score: 1

      I've never understood the legal basis for whining about "cybersquatting". For any other bit of intellectual property ever recognized by law or treaty, it's first come, first served. If someone else got to the domain first, shame on you for being so slow off the draw. I can't write up a new patent and tell the previous owner "sorry, I was going to do that and just didn't get around to it in time" and expect anything but rude laughter. Why are domains any different? Hell, the things are cheap, companies should bulk buy anything that even sounds a little like their property at the same time they file for copyright or trademark protection. If they can't be bothered, they should have to pay through the nose to get the relevant domains from whoever grabbed 'em first. Call it an idiot tax, stupidity should be painful. When new domains are introduced maybe give IP owners some pad to catch the new domains for their properties since they couldn't be expected to have already gotten them, but otherwise the person who files first is the owner, simple as that.

      What idiot came up with the whole retroactive intellectual property argument anyway? How did domain names get such a unique protection?

      -reemul

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  4. cybersquatters not the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the problem is evil people hiding behind unethical corporations

    I wonder how much cyberspace has lost to copyright corruption?

  5. The entire .com TLD is a wasteland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    These days the entire .com TLD has been ruined by cybersquatters and profiteers. There are barely any usable .com names available that havn't already been purchased by someone out to make a quick buck by offering to sell it to you at a vastly inflated price. The registrars don't seem to have any interest in solving the problem; after all, they're getting paid plenty of money for lots of domains that they otherwise wouldn't be selling. I wonder what they plan to do in five years time when the entire namespace has been registered and the only people selling domains are domain squatters and resellers?

    The long and the short of it is that if you want a .com domain today, you may as well go straight to sedo.com and save the wasted effort of trying to register one yourself. It's taken.

    1. Re:The entire .com TLD is a wasteland by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      I wonder what they plan to do in five years time when the entire namespace has been registered and the only people selling domains are domain squatters and resellers? Bribe some US congressmen into creating a few new TLDs and sell them instead; with the bonus that people who already own fzzbrgle.com will want to snap up fzzbrgle.moc, fzzbrgle.con, fzzbrgle.zap, to avoid squatters buying them up.

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    2. Re:The entire .com TLD is a wasteland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I own a few hundred domain names but I wouldn't consider myself a squatter, since none of my domains are typos of other people's names and all of my domains are used to host "real content". While I do run my sites for-profit I don't jerk around surfers, ever even consider touching maleware and, in fact, my primary strategy is to build recurring visitors through regularly-updating content.

      Anyway....

      I register new domains on a daily basis and while it is true that you're not going to be able to find many single short letter common words that are available, if you put a bit of thought into the process there are still plenty of great domains available. In fact, I'm often quite surprised at some of the domain names I end up grabbing, doing a whois "just incase I'm lucky", thinking for sure someone else would have grabbed it and then to my utter pleasant shock it turns out to be a available. You just have to be creative and not always get your hopes up on your first choice.

      Point is the situation is far from as gloom as you make it out to be. 26 letters in the alphabet and they are allowed to repeat themselves to form countless combinations, and they can even be broken up into sub-domains (del.icio.us for example). Saying the namespace is going to completely deplete in the near future is like saying eventually all music will be a rip-off of something else as there's only so many combinations of notes. Being a musician as well I can say "hogwash" to both.

    3. Re:The entire .com TLD is a wasteland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I know the name of a company and I want to go to their website, I will go to [companyname].com first. Almost everyone will do this. Most web browsers these days will add .com for you if you don't do it yourself. The .com TLD is amazingly important to any business. I don't like that fact, but that's the way it is.

    4. Re:The entire .com TLD is a wasteland by iago-vL · · Score: 1
      They won't care, because they're still getting their monthly registration fees, so it's not like they're losing money on the deal.

      And by the way, not all good domains are taken. I recently registered http://www.skullsecurity.org/ (and .com, .net). I thought that was a pretty sweet domain!

    5. Re:The entire .com TLD is a wasteland by adavies42 · · Score: 1

      I don't. I google it and go to the first listing. The search field is just a away from the URL field after all.

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    6. Re:The entire .com TLD is a wasteland by cyclop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, what's your solution to this? It's free market, face it.

      Note that I don't like that, but I can't see how can I think to step on the basic right to anyone to buy a domain for any purpose and do what they like with that domain.

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    7. Re:The entire .com TLD is a wasteland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "I own a few hundred domain names..." Gee, yahoo.com seems to get along fine with just one.

      "...but I wouldn't consider myself a squatter..." Right. I think the word you seek is "spammer".

      ...regularly-updating content..." With content-scraping robots I presume, to attract seach-engine hits and get the suckers to click on Google ads. Could you give us an example of one of your fine sites?

      "...don't...even consider touching maleware [sic]..." Phew. I guess that makes it all right then.

    8. Re:The entire .com TLD is a wasteland by Tim+C · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The registrars don't seem to have any interest in solving the problem; after all, they're getting paid plenty of money for lots of domains that they otherwise wouldn't be selling.

      Assume that I am a registrar. Now, explain to me exactly what this problem is that I should be solving, and why it is in my interests to solve it.

      Can't do it? That's because there *is* no problem, not for the registrars. "But it'll improve surfing experience for end users!" is true (I hate typo-squatters as much as the next rabidly-anti typo-squatting person), but irrelevant to the registrars.

      I wonder what they plan to do in five years time when the entire namespace has been registered and the only people selling domains are domain squatters and resellers?

      Live off the renewal fees. If they stopped selling obviously-crap names, they'd make less money now (sales) *and* in the future (renewals).

      I appreciate your position, but the registrars have nothing to gain and everything to lose from clamping down on this.

    9. Re:The entire .com TLD is a wasteland by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      doing a whois "just incase I'm lucky", thinking for sure someone else would have grabbed it

      Just be careful where you run your whois search. There are certain registrars (ahem...GoDaddy...ahem) who have been known to log searches and preemptively purchase likely candidates so that you will be forced to buy the domain from them at an inflated price, sort of like bid sniping on e-bay but in reverse (hehe...in Soviet Russia the bid snipes YOU...yeah).

    10. Re:The entire .com TLD is a wasteland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As amazing as this constantly seems to many Slashdot posters, you are not the vast majority of internet users. Most intermediate users type [companyname].com into the URL field and press enter. Why do you think typo squatting is so popular?

    11. Re:The entire .com TLD is a wasteland by n6kuy · · Score: 1

      You just have to make up a nonsense name nowadays. You know, like VONGO.COM or BAMZU.COM or some such.

      Here's one that's not taken yet: FUMPO.COM

      Go Daddy, Go!

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    12. Re:The entire .com TLD is a wasteland by ericlondaits · · Score: 1

      If domains were more expensive the problem with typo-squatters would be considerably reduced. At 10 U$S each they can afford to have domains that are seldomly hit.

      If the price were ten times that, they'd have to concentrate in the really good ones... if they are able to figure out which ones without spending more money than they'll make. OTOH, at 100 U$S every honest business would probably be able to afford their own domain.

      I really hate vouching for a tax though. So I hope a better solution comes up.

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    13. Re:The entire .com TLD is a wasteland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...regularly-updating content..." With content-scraping robots I presume, to attract seach-engine hits and get the suckers to click on Google ads. Could you give us an example of one of your fine sites?

      Nope not at all. I don't steal the content. And I don't make money off of ppc programs either. I promote adult affiliate programs (porn pay sites). I know that probably sounds off alarms immediately making you think of pop-hell etc. but the fact is I run clean sites, no pop-ups, dialers, malware etc. My surfers have to find me, either through search engines, word-of-mouth, other porn sites that I exchange traffic/links with etc. My sites do not use stolen content (the content is provided by the affiliate programs for the purpose of promoting them).

      How I manage to run hundreds of sites that update regularly is something I keep to myself for competitive reasons. But there is absolutely no content theft, no malware, no pop-ups etc. I do enjoy a bit of SE traffic but I try hard to "play by the rules". I'm in this business long-term. I'm no spammer and I'm no thief. I don't understand why people think that if you run something on a large scale you're automatically one of the two. Just because I own a lot of domain names doesn't mean I do anything intentionally to harm surfers, or other webmasters for that matter. My goal is to keep surfers coming back to my sites willingly, and to stay in business. I can't do that if I harm surfers or steal other people's content.

      As an aside, I used to run TGP sites that accepted public submissions from gallery builders. Dealing with all of the "cheaters" (meaning anyone who would give you a gallery that looks ok when you review it but after a while starts to either deploy malware or redirect to other domains etc.) became so huge of an issue that I ended up closing public submissions and the only content I list on my sites now comes from sources I trust (ie: the affiliate programs I promote). It's more work for me but it's the only way that I can be sure that the content is "safe", "legal", won't change and won't ever jerk around my surfers. It's also more profitable but a lot of TGP owners still take public submissions because it allows them to offer more to their surfers.

    14. Re:The entire .com TLD is a wasteland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm. "I promote adult affiliate programs (porn pay sites)."

      But no MaleWare?

    15. Re:The entire .com TLD is a wasteland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure that was just a troll ... but I'll bite.

      It's just a stigma. Not all porn sites out there resort to malware.

      If you, personally, think that "all porn is evil" that's fine. It doesn't make it so.

      In fact, most affiliate programs have clauses in their agreements with their affiliates that expressly forbid the affiliates to promote them on sites that deploy malware or to promote their programs through e-mail spam etc.

      That doesn't mean there aren't a ton of lowlifes out there who do resort to such tactics. But there are clean sites as well. And I like to believe that the clean sites end up being more successful, at least in the long run, since people go back to those.

  6. Should have done this earlier by jrumney · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Personally, I would have sued the Cybersquatters first, and left innocent kids called Mike Rowe alone.

    1. Re:Should have done this earlier by Slashamatic · · Score: 5, Interesting

      However dubious, Mike Rowe has the right to use his name to create a company called MikeRoweSoft. Once there is a legal entity registered with that name then what is the issue? Even when it comes to a personal name like Macdonalds. I believe a lady with that name operates a tea-room in Scotland which was contested by the 'other' one. Macdonalds challenged her in court for the right to use the name but they lost as it was her real surname and there was no intent to deceieve. In fact, the clan chieftain apparently testified pointing out that as a real Macdonald she actually had more right to the name than the Macdonalds company.

    2. Re:Should have done this earlier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Except that Trademark, unlike copyright and patents, are not selectively enforcable. You can not allow potential trademark violations slide, regardless of how trivial they are, or you run the risk of losing them. In the end, Mike Rowe was very happy with the terms of the settlement (They paid all his costs for the domain and moving to a new site, an MSDN subscription, paid for MSCE training, an invitation for him and his parents for Microsoft's tech fair, and an XBox with games) and Microsoft didn't lose their trademark. It was win-win, and the only people who were upset were third party people who felt that it was somehow some big bad bully at Microsoft trying to oppress the little guy.

      If you want to take up action over the issue, look at the trademark laws. The entire gamut of "intellectual property" laws suck in some way or another. The fact that Microsoft occasionally has to look like a bad guy in order to play within them, does not make Microsoft the bad guy.

    3. Re:Should have done this earlier by Sunburnt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I believe a lady with that name operates a tea-room in Scotland which was contested by the 'other' one. Macdonalds challenged her in court for the right to use the name but they lost as it was her real surname and there was no intent to deceieve.
      And I should hope so, since the name of the company in question is McDonalds.

      Check out the history of litigation between Anheuser-Busch (owners of the Budweiser trademark in the U.S.) and Budvar (who make a beer named "Budweiser," ostensibly named for the town of origin.)
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    4. Re:Should have done this earlier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's not such thing as a "Macdonald's clan chieftain". And it's "McDonald's", anyway.

    5. Re:Should have done this earlier by nigral · · Score: 1

      For a counter-example, there is a lady firstnamed "milka" who registered milka.fr for her sewing shop. She lost in court against Kraft Food owners of the chocolate trade mark milka. For more info (in French) http://rocbo.lautre.net/milka/

    6. Re:Should have done this earlier by Slashamatic · · Score: 1

      You are quite right and I'm doubly embarrased as that particular purveyor of burgers is about two minutes from the door to this office.

      As for your comment about US Bud vs Czech Bud, yes that is an interesting one. Especially given the fortune that Anheuser-Busch spends on advertising (they certainly don't spend anything on brewing beer). Budweiser Budvar, OTOH does produce something quite drinkable but they clearly are not on the scale of AB. The interesting thing is that since the accession of the Czech republic to the EU, the recognition of their rights is now backed there which helps them somewhat in their dispute

    7. Re:Should have done this earlier by Slashamatic · · Score: 1

      Which is a shame. I guess that Kraft argued that their product name had wider recognition and thus a better argument for a domain name. Note that the example of Mrs McDonald was that it was a name of a tea room. She may have had another problem if she went for the associated domain name!!

    8. Re:Should have done this earlier by NeMon'ess · · Score: 1

      Under what part of trademark law does it show MS would have lost their IP? MikeRoweSoft is spelled quite differently. It's not like he spelled it Mikrosoft.

    9. Re:Should have done this earlier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that he was clearly going for a phonetic homonym, both pronounced the same way. Sounds, spellings, looks, and graphics can all be considered part of trademark.

    10. Re:Should have done this earlier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed.

      Growing up, I had never heard of MacDonalds until I entered college in the mid-70s. A man named MacDonald (so legend has it) had a hamburger stand here in Harris County (Houston), Texas. When he died, the kids closed the restaurant and became millionaires.

    11. Re:Should have done this earlier by jo42 · · Score: 1

      BarfDonalds.com?

  7. hmm, by Stumbles · · Score: 1

    This is one of the very few things I can agree with Microsoft about. It's damn irritating to search for a domain name, find that it's not taken, then several days later try to register it only to find IT IS TAKEN by some cyber squatting asshole.

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    1. Re:hmm, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The very act of searching for a domain name at a web site will result in its being "pre-purchased" for you.

      Use nslookup at the command line, no one need know your intentions but you and your DNS server. Try this and you'll find your desired domain names stop disappearing.

    2. Re:hmm, by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 1

      It's damn irritating to pass by a jewelry store, then find THEY HAVE MY DIAMONDS that I was going to mine from the earth.

      Fixed.

    3. Re:hmm, by mcpkaaos · · Score: 1

      Do a nslookup on insolitus.com. No results. Now, do a whois on it. Lots of data. See why nslookup is the wrong tool for this job?

      Or did you mean command line whois?

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    4. Re:hmm, by Emetophobe · · Score: 1

      Before you start patting Microsoft on the back, please read my two previous posts. This is a really smart business tactic by Microsoft, they make themselves look good by going after those evil cybersquatters*, and they get more people using their search engine at the same time. Yay for shady business tactics!

      *I'm all for getting rid of cybersquatters, but not for the benefit of Microsoft. Why else do you think Microsoft is doing this? Do you think Microsoft cares about "the greater good of the internet"? Their motivation is profit and/or getting a foothold in a market they want to compete in or be the dominent player (in this case, MSN search vs google).

  8. A good start? by Dread+Pirate+Skippy · · Score: 1

    A growing problem? This problem has been around for the entirety of the 15-some odd years I've been using the internet. Typo-squatters are nothing more than a minor nuisance now, how about a company with Microsoft's clout tries taking on spammers and fixing the single most annoying thing the internet has brought into our lives. Unless Bill is a big believer in some kind of herbal male enhancement products or Canadian prescription drugs.

  9. Cheaper Solution by s31523 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wouldn't it be cheaper if M$ just paid off any of the squatters? I mean the practice of registering domain names of trademarked names sounds like good ol' capitalism to me... If M$ thinks this is unethical or whatever, ha! Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black.

    1. Re:Cheaper Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Holding intellectual property ransom has nothing to do with capitalism. Take your marxist claptrap elsewhere.

    2. Re:Cheaper Solution by Zonekeeper · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Since when is a domain name on the internet intellectual property? What the hell kind of assinine view holds that a company (or any entity for that matter) automatically has rights to every type of medium that might contain the ability to market their product and or service? The internet wasn't built for that in the first place, just because companies have commercialized it to a large degree doesn't give them some special claim, or at least it shouldn't. Normally I come down HARD on the side of capitalism, but I think some important fundamentals are being overlooked here or purposely brushed aside for the almighty $currency.

    3. Re:Cheaper Solution by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Well, I'll bite.

      Holding intellectual property ransom has nothing to do with capitalism.
      Sure it does, if you mean free market capitalism. If there is any kind of property, it is quite within the bounds of capitalism for the owner to choose to relinquish control only when someone pays a price they set. Sure, it may be annoying that the system structure allows anyone to get squatter's rights on domain property, but as long as the system allows it, "holding intellectual property ransom" is pure capitalism. Not allowing someone to use an equitable system to gain rights over a domain is against the principles of capitalism.

      Note, however, that the term 'intellectual property' doesn't really apply here.

      Take your marxist claptrap elsewhere.
      Marxist claptrap? I'm sorry, what part of the OP's post has anything to do with Marxism? Your post insinuates that not allowing ownership of intellectual property is capitalist. I'm sorry, isn't property ownership one of the tenets of capitalism? As long as the system allows for intellectual property (to continue using your incorrect term) then how is being allowed to sell it to the highest bidder Marxist?

      I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but the insightful mod on the parent to this post struck me as odd. The parent espouses an action that is more Marxist in nature than the OP, and then calls the OP Marxist. Never mind the tone of the post, or the loaded, albeit inaccurate, langage -- "olding intellectual property ransom."
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    4. Re:Cheaper Solution by Clujo · · Score: 1

      Microsoft has an internet safety team?

    5. Re:Cheaper Solution by Hans+Lehmann · · Score: 1
      Holding intellectual property ransom has nothing to do with capitalism.

      On the contrary; it has everything to with capitalism. Microsoft's entire existence is based on creating intellectual property and then only releasing it when paid their asking price. As I see it, registering the "micorsoft.com" domain name in hopes that someone will accidentally land there is no different than creating yet another new OS in hopes that you can force people to upgrade to it.

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    6. Re:Cheaper Solution by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 1

      It's not Microsoft's IP until they prove it in a court of law, hence the need for a lawsuit.

    7. Re:Cheaper Solution by Rithiur · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And continue paying them forever in the future? I think the point of lawsuits is to get a favorable ruling(s), so that tackling them in the future will be easier. And besides, if MS just started paying them all off, wouldn't that just encourage the practice even more?

      Even if Microsoft isn't the most ethical company, it doesn't change the fact that this can be a Good Thing.

    8. Re:Cheaper Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when is a domain name on the internet intellectual property? May you receive many upmods.

    9. Re:Cheaper Solution by Rotten168 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think that anti-cybersquatting laws are "marxist" (not really, but they ain't capitalist). Internet domains should be treated like property like anything else... at least the commercial extensions (".com" etc.) should.

    10. Re:Cheaper Solution by cyclop · · Score: 1

      If there is any kind of property, it is quite within the bounds of capitalism for the owner to choose to relinquish control only when someone pays a price they set.

      The so-called "intellectual property" is 100% immaterial -as such, it is not real property in the sense of the property of a car or a land acre. It is called and treated as such in the last centuries, but this doesn't mean we aren't dealing with fundamentally different things, so categories like "capitalism" or "communism" don't apply well here.

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    11. Re:Cheaper Solution by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      Not so. If it is defined by the characteristics of property, and has value, then it falls within economic systems. You can't separate ownership from capitalism, regardless of whether the concept of ownership is something defined by law (as with IP), or by physical possession (as with small material goods), or by titular possession (as with large material goods).

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    12. Re:Cheaper Solution by cyclop · · Score: 1

      If it is defined by the characteristics of property, and has value, then it falls within economic systems.

      Yes, but those classic economic system fail utterly at treating something whose initial production can have a cost but whose replication costs are just an epsilon far from 0, for example.

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  10. OMG - Corporation Loses a bit of Revenue!? by jimijon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Come on- Cybersquatting is nothing but the free market in action. I am sure microsoft could afford to pay any cybersquatter a decent amount of money to get back a domain they will then hold forever. And as far as all of you who are having a difficult time finding a name, tough. That is what a free marketplace is all about. Personally I know of a legitimate company that had a name similar to youtube and instead of complaining adapted their site to take advantage of all the new traffic. Why is is that when the litlte guy makes a buck it is so damn problematic but when the corps rape the little guys it is just ok. Viva la Squatters. Now technological solutions to spam... well that I would support. cheers

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    1. Re:OMG - Corporation Loses a bit of Revenue!? by Slashamatic · · Score: 1

      Microsoft may be able to afford that but what about the rest of the world. You can't 'squat' Microsoft's telephone number in your area even if they have no office there. You must have some right to the name, either personally or for business. I believe that the same should apply to domain names. Typosquatting is more of a grey area, but it is fscking annoying mistyping a name and then ending up with a load of porn.

    2. Re:OMG - Corporation Loses a bit of Revenue!? by doubledjd · · Score: 1

      ah..bullshit. It isn't about "corps vs little guys". I'm at a small (though high traffic) non-profit and we had numerous squatters. We still have a few. Basically, they try to appear to serve a similar function as we do. Click on something, you are blasted with ads/popups. Purchasing all these extra domains was a sizeable fee for us. The reality is we are the little guy and the squatter is an established and wealthy corp. Viva la "cease and desist you cybersquat bastard"

    3. Re:OMG - Corporation Loses a bit of Revenue!? by jimijon · · Score: 1

      Well first off, they are never the same name. Secondly I have been using the Internet since it was just a bunch of usergroups, bbs, etc. and maybe only twice or so have I mistyped a site name and saw porn. Big deal.

      I believe in free markets. Period. With all of MS's might and batallion of IP lawyers, etc., they should have bought up their name space years ago. But no.... let's regulate, let's get lawyers, the Internet is dangerous!!! We must regulate it! We must tier it! We must protect the people! Especially the corporations!

      I personally have lost names I wish I still had, have secured names for future purposes and have been very frustrated trying to find other names not taken. Annoying yes, life is competitive and certainly not fair. However, I have never seen regulation do anything but ensure more revenue for the big players and of course the government.

      If you can't make money from it.... regulate it. cheers

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    4. Re:OMG - Corporation Loses a bit of Revenue!? by Sobrique · · Score: 1
      Seconded.

      I mean, it's not like it's even remotely challenging to find porn when you want it. When I typo a URL, generally I don't want porn.*

      Well, unless one handed typing leads me to mistype my porn site name, at which point then maybe it counts as value add.

      *This goes double when I'm at work.

    5. Re:OMG - Corporation Loses a bit of Revenue!? by Slashamatic · · Score: 1

      There are usually very few individuals squatting on names. If you have a name, it is often linked to something you are or what you do. It is the big guys who can buy names wholesale and really cheap who managed to pollute the namespace. The thing is they don't even want to do anything with the name just squat and maybe advertise/launch some pop-ups.

      I actually hold a couple of names as a community service. There was no overall constant governing body so the names had been lost before I we had been quoted about $50K to get them back. Luckily the idiot holding them went bust and the names were available from the general pool. I just point them at whoever are hosting the events concerns, which changes every other year.

  11. PR stunt... by Vexler · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Now that their XML proposal is getting fast-tracked and their connection to SCO-IBM uncovered, M$ needs an easy pinata to beat to a pulp so as to appear as the second coming of Captain America.

  12. If you wanted it that much... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you wanted it that much, you should have registered it when you had the chance.

    1. Re:If you wanted it that much... by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      If you wanted it that much, you should have registered it when you had the chance. You obviously aren't aware of the scam involving domain name registration, then. The act of searching a whois database indicates your interest. Someone involved with one of those companies then snaps it up or passes on the information to another company.

      I know, this has happened to me; a domain I had my eye on for years *just happened* to get snapped up earlier on the same day that my hosting company tried to buy it; I was suspicious at the time, and right to be- I found out what had happened later on.

      I wasn't about to waste time approaching the thieving vermin who stole it, as I knew they'd try to extort me more than I was prepared to pay. Lo and behold, I checked again a month later and it was no longer registered. Presumably they got a refund when they realised that they weren't going to make any money, so I got the domain after all, though I registered it myself this time.
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  13. Bah, it's more annoying than anything. by tomstdenis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For example, folk who go to "libtomcrypt.org" will be treated with a squatters website. But if you google for "libtomcrypt" the correct domain comes up near the the top (searching for libtom hits the website on the first link).

    Whomever bought libtomcrypt.org had to shell out the $10 or whatever it cost to steal it from me. Will they make money from it? I don't know. I'm not going to buy it back though (their website claims no offer under $1000 will be looked at). So unless they make ad revenue it cost them money to steal it from me. And that brings me to the other point. Just because you were tricked to going there and saw the ads, doesn't mean they do [or should] make any money off that. If advertisers smartened up and only paid per lead actually generated, it would pretty much kill these sites overnight.

    That is provided that people aren't stupid enough to use squatter domains to search/buy things.

    Tom

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    1. Re:Bah, it's more annoying than anything. by nightsweat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's a numbers game. They lose $5 on you and dozens of others but they make $30,000 on some obscure domain that suddenly becomes important (like FireLouPinella.com will be by the end of the Cubs season).

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    2. Re:Bah, it's more annoying than anything. by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      There is always FireLouPinellaNow.com :-)

      I don't get the whole "omg I gotta pay off some lo-life for a domain" bidnez. If you have a trademark and someone takes the domain, that's one thing. But if someone has a clever name and you want it, just think of another, or a variation on it [provided they're not trademarked].

      For me I went from libtomcrypt.org [stolen] to libtomcrypt.com [too long and retired] to libtom.org [nice and simple]. I also bought it for 10 years. So provided my registar doesn't mess with me I should have it for a good long time.

      If I had trademarked LibTomCrypt I would have a claim to get the .org back, but frankly it's not worth the effort. Google indexed libtom.org the same day I put it up. And within a few days you could find it via a search for "tom st denis" or "libtom projects". So the problems caused by it were minimal.

      Tom

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    3. Re:Bah, it's more annoying than anything. by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      afaict there are three ways for a squatter (whether a typo-squatter or a domain snatcher) to make money

      one way is advertising, some people will presumablly generate at least clicks and possiblly leads on the adverts.

      another is selling the domains back to thier rightfull owners (you said you wouldn't buy but i bet many do)

      the final way is drive-by installations of scumware (for users who use browsers with suitable security holes)

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    4. Re:Bah, it's more annoying than anything. by _|()|\| · · Score: 1

      whatever it cost to steal it from me. ... I'm not going to buy it back

      Can you elaborate on how libtomcrypt.org was "stolen"?

    5. Re:Bah, it's more annoying than anything. by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      It hit the grace period and someone else (who didn't plan on hosting something called libtomcrypt.org) bought it before we could renew. Legally I guess that's not "stolen" but really if the intention wasn't to host something called "LibTomCrypt" why would you buy it other than to deprive someone else of it?

      In this case, a troll from sci.crypt bought it, put porn on the site and left it for a year. Then proceeded to post in usenet with my email address (joe-job) posting links to the porn he was hosting. The idea was to harm my character and the projects by projecting them in the lowest possible light. As a result I no longer read or write usenet postings and have re-dedicated my life to music instead of OSS. Not that I don't miss working on OSS, but it's too depressing to think about anymore. I'd rather play a nice Minuet or something instead.

      I only host libtom.org for the legacy users so they have a place to get the code and any updates that may trickle out. I was very close to closing up shop, but I did receive a handful of supportive emails suggesting that I at least host the projects and play it by year.

      Tom

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    6. Re:Bah, it's more annoying than anything. by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      I agreed with you right up until "If advertisers smartened up and only paid per lead actually generated, it would pretty much kill these sites overnight." ...

      That's untrue for the same reason that spam still exists: People DO click the links, and they DO buy! It's amazing, and horrifying, and several other adjectives, but it's also true.

      When I was younger, I thought that griefers (people who exists merely to make trouble for others) were just video game lowlifes. Now, of course, I understand that it's merely the video game equivalent of real life, once again. Spammers, cyber-squatters, and other internet jerks continue to amaze me. I really do wonder how they sleep at night.

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    7. Re:Bah, it's more annoying than anything. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Find some javascript that loads a bunch of stuff from their site and put it on your page.... you can overload their budget and when it expires you can grab it.

    8. Re:Bah, it's more annoying than anything. by sgtrock · · Score: 1

      "When I was younger, I thought that griefers (people who exists merely to make trouble for others) were just video game lowlifes. Now, of course, I understand that it's merely the video game equivalent of real life, once again. Spammers, cyber-squatters, and other internet jerks continue to amaze me. I really do wonder how they sleep at night."

      From Aladrin, right below your post in this thread. I'm sorry you ran afoul of this kind of jerk on UseNet. Unfortunately, you did exactly what he wanted. In his eyes, he won.

      Worse, the rest of us lost. You lost the joy you had in coding, hosting, and managing an OSS project. We all lost a valuable tool. A quote that is generally attributed to Edmund Burke comes to mind:

      "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

      I hope you find a way to return to coding. We miss your efforts.

    9. Re:Bah, it's more annoying than anything. by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      I have no idea if you're being sincere or not [no offense...] but frankly I don't see it as a loss. I did a s/OSS/music/g on my life and as such found new respect for something I've always loved.

      Frankly, if people actually respected what I was doing I wouldn't have had to put up with the joe-jobs, kiddie porn [sent with my parents home address on it], phone calls, death threats, and generally being ignored by the mainstream media/projects by myself. I'm not saying people should bow down and respect me.

      I'm just saying if they did respect me or the projects, I wouldn't have had to contemplate suicide in December (which is why I took up piano, to put my mind on something else) or wouldn't have problems socializing with others (well more so than I normally did) as I do now.

      Frankly, I respect the idea of OSS, I just don't think that I had a part in it worth talking about, or should try to have a part in it in the future.

      Tom

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    10. Re:Bah, it's more annoying than anything. by sgtrock · · Score: 1

      Well, I can only tell you that I saw several threads on the Gentoo boards talking about how much their particular installation depended on your software. I was very sincere when I said I missed your efforts. I just didn't know who it was that wrote the code until I saw your posts in this thread.

      And yes, I think you did lose. You lost your peace of mind for a while. Your parents also lost in the sense that their peace of mind was at least disturbed. You were driven from one of the things that gave you pleasure.

      I agree with Aladrin. I don't know how these guys sleep at night. I do know that I think every single one of them will suffer in a truly painful circle of hell. I just wish there was a safe, ethical, legal way to see that they were punished in this life, too!

    11. Re:Bah, it's more annoying than anything. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats just tough dude. Hold your head up!

    12. Re:Bah, it's more annoying than anything. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and generally being ignored by the mainstream media/projects

      Everyone gets what he or she deserves. Believe me, it's the oldest truth.

  14. Perhaps it's time for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...eminent domain!
     
    /ducks

  15. Free Market? by brewstate · · Score: 0

    I do not condone using a business' reputation to exploit people, but if the domains are there to purchase why don't they. Pressure Go Daddy and the like to sell packages that contain "All" permutations of the Address Requested. It is wrong to assume that just because you have a name that all other names similar to them are infringing. If this were true in the "real world" we would have to eliminate all but one John Smith and if John Smith was wealthier than John Smithe he and all other John Smithe's would have to go as well.

  16. Profit motive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't this about Google ad revenues?

  17. Still makes me nervous by starX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is one of those things that I'm split on. On the one hand, I think MS is in the right to be pursuing cybersquatters, especially when you consider that most of these folk tend to be trying to peddle spam. On the other, I still don't like the precedent that was set fairly early on of folks who had registered domains in good faith having them stripped away because an individual or company had deemed it "cybersquatting." There is the potential for abuse here, and Microsoft's pockets (and legal resources) are deep enough that even the thought of taking them on will make most people want to settle.

    1. Re:Still makes me nervous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The golden rule: he who has all the gold makes the rules.

  18. What is wrong with a little free enterprise? by bhennon · · Score: 1

    Why cant these people be allowed to make some money off of the domains that they paid for? If domain names were given away then i would agree, but these are peices of property that are paid for fair and square. If someone can buy them and turn a quick profit then so be it!

    1. Re:What is wrong with a little free enterprise? by demiurgency · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can buy blank DVDs from the store fair and square, burn pirated software onto them, and sell them for $2 apiece. I paid (a pittance) for the DVDs, so it's a nice fair profit, according to this logic.

      The issue is one of infringing on intellectual property rights.

    2. Re:What is wrong with a little free enterprise? by Guuge · · Score: 1

      Why cant these people be allowed to make some money off of the domains that they paid for?
      For pretty much the same reason that people aren't allowed to make money off the Brooklyn Bridge, no matter how much they paid.
    3. Re:What is wrong with a little free enterprise? by cyclop · · Score: 1

      No. "microsofft" and "microsoft" are two different strings. The Microsoft corporation should own only the "microsoft" string, not the "microsofft" one. They should have no right on variations of their name -variations of a name are, in fact, ANOTHER name.

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    4. Re:What is wrong with a little free enterprise? by demiurgency · · Score: 1

      By the strictest, most literal and robotic letter of law? Yes, you may be correct.

      However, there is (I'm only guessing -- but it's a good guess) not a single individual on earth who is actively looking for information and services provided by microsofft.com, googe.com, googke.com, etc.

      Traffic (and thereby revenue) generated by these cyber-squatters is wholly generated by the browser's intention to go to the genuine site. That is the intellectual property theft.

      If microsofft.com was any form of legitimate business venture of its own (tiny pillows? plush toys?) I might be inclined to agree with you.

    5. Re:What is wrong with a little free enterprise? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By the strictest, most literal and robotic letter of law? Yes, you may be correct.
      Well, in terms of trademark law, it's incorrect. It does not have to be an exact match in order for it to violate trademark.
  19. ...didn't I see something... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...here on /. about Microsoft profiting on Lexus ?
    naaa... I must remeber wrong... Microsoft would never do something like this.

  20. senior safety enforcement attorney by richlv · · Score: 1, Funny

    senior attorney on Microsoft's internet safety enforcement team

    that's one bloody scary profession...
    probably whole "internet safety enforcement team" is pretty well equipped with weapons and bulletproof jackets, going around and shouting all kinds of legalese.
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  21. What about trademark squatters? by TNN · · Score: 1

    Many large companies and lawyers purchase trademarks for mere speculation. Some made the headlines recently...
    Brand protection attorneys use dedicated software to monitor all sorts of databases and the Internet so that they can leap at any time to try monetize trademarks that they keep semi-dormant. It's easy for them, it's just a little extra in their regular business.

    1. Re:What about trademark squatters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just illustrated complete misinformation for how the trademark system works. You cannot trademark an arbitrary name and sit on it waiting for someone else to unsuspectingly to use it in order to sue them. If you don't use the name for the registered purpose you lose the right to keep the name. Even if you use the name properly if you fail to defend the use of the name you can lose the right to keep the name. Trademark squatting simply doesn't exist.

    2. Re:What about trademark squatters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention registering a trademark is far more expensive (prohibitively) than registering a domain name.

    3. Re:What about trademark squatters? by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I think that's why the poster said "semi-dormant". You only have to use the trademark, but it doesn't mean that it has to be used widely. For example, most people think Surge cola is no more, however, Coke still sells it a few select areas - that way they can hold their trademark on the word "Surge", even if you can't buy it.

  22. "Get Firefox" = Cyberquatters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would that also Include

    http://www.ie7.com/

  23. I love Microsoft! by CTuso · · Score: 1

    I love watching Microsoft get lawsuit happy. It is again that time of year. Something tells me that Microsoft is just upset that somebody beat them to a new market.... With their buying power, Microsoft could be the ultimate cyber-squatter. The only problem is that there are too many other little companies which have beat them to the punch, making it problematic for them to mass register domains. I can see how that would be annoying. In fact, its almost as annoying as those filthy, annoying, people trying to work the patent system. Maybe they can take on those nasty people who attempted to prevent competition by attempting to shut antivirus makers out of their OS. Maybe Microsoft should take them o.... oops... forgot, that is Microsoft. Well maybe they should fight RIAA... in the ultimate battle of who can flood the US legal system more rapidly.

    1. Re:I love Microsoft! by Edward+Kmett · · Score: 1

      Microsoft could be the ultimate cyber-squatter.

      Microsoft is the ultimate cybersquatter; they have SiteFinder after all.

      http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/27/221524 6

      I love how everyone pitched a fit over Verisign or Earthlink redirecting typos, then rolled over when Microsoft started the same thing.

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  24. What about innovation? by averyfisher · · Score: 1

    I think it's great Microsoft wants to tackle the cybersquatter problem. However, I strongly suspect this is more to do with having a bloated legal team than anything else.

    What ever happened to innovation? People are doing it, people will continue to do it even if a handful of people get pinched, so create a better technology protocol - don't RIAA it with a fleet of lawyers.

  25. Something's not quite right... by GanjaManja · · Score: 1

    Sure, they sound like they're saving the interweb from some kind of creeping disease, but upon reading the article it sounds less benvolent. "Dyslexic Domain is to pay Microsoft £24,000 ($46,000), returning the profits it is estimated to have made from infringing domain names. [...] Microsoft will also reveal it has recovered 1,100 domain names since it began its campaign against cybersquatting last year." "Recovering" 1,100 domain names... meaning now MS owns them. Did they just buy every typo variant of "www.microsoft.com" ? In fact, did they just get Paid $48k to acquire them? ------ The main thing that popped into my head when I read the /. brief, and then started wondering why it sounds sorta fishy, is this: Can I start suing all those tons of (often large) companies that patent every damn thing they can think of, just so they can make money in the eventuality that someone with some real vision figures out how to do something useful with it? [right, perhaps the difference here is previously existing "intellectual property". Still it would be great if companies formed just to think up random stuff and wait to make money of someone else's invention, through patent lawsuits only, would get screwed 'cuz I think they're much sleazier than domain squatters ]

    1. Re:Something's not quite right... by GanjaManja · · Score: 1

      [HTML format fix:]

      Sure, they sound like they're saving the interweb from some kind of creeping disease, but upon reading the article it sounds less benvolent.

      "Dyslexic Domain is to pay Microsoft £24,000 ($46,000), returning the profits it is estimated to have made from infringing domain names.
      [...]
      Microsoft will also reveal it has recovered 1,100 domain names since it began its campaign against cybersquatting last year."

      "Recovering" 1,100 domain names... meaning now MS owns them. Did they just buy every typo variant of "www.microsoft.com" ?
      In fact, did they just get Paid $48k to acquire them?

      ------

      The main thing that popped into my head when I read the /. brief, and then started wondering why it sounds sorta fishy, is this:
      Can I start suing all those tons of (often large) companies that patent every damn thing they can think of, just so they can make money in the eventuality that someone with some real vision figures out how to do something useful with it?

      [right, perhaps the difference here is previously existing "intellectual property". Still it would be great if companies formed just to think up random stuff and wait to make money of someone else's invention, through patent lawsuits only, would get screwed 'cuz I think they're much sleazier than domain squatters]

    2. Re:Something's not quite right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can they be "recovered" when they were never Microsoft's to begin with? These domains weren't stolen from Microsoft. Microsoft had a better opportunity than most to buy these domains and Microsoft decided to pass on the opportunity, allowing other entrepreneurs to risk their $5.

  26. Mod Parent Up! by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    This is one of the best, most stinging reversals of the double standards corporations set vs individuals.

    I'm tempted to bookmark and "steal" it next time i see someone spewing antipopulist vitriol about the "free market"

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  27. the inevitable question: by phynodedotnet · · Score: 1

    Is www.whitehouse.com still what I think it is?

    1. Re:the inevitable question: by ibm1130 · · Score: 1

      Up until January 2001 it was a porn site featuring fat chicks.
      Content could be summed up with that one word valley girl expression
      for ultimate disgust.

              Ewwwwwwww!

  28. Yeah, but what about verisign and others... by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    Ok.. so verisign and others are basically domain squatters as well.

    basically, people who own dns servers will immediately register any typo anybody makes...

    every domain name that has ever been tried by anyone in the world gets "squatted" by people who control dns servers, and they are given the "right" to then charge you a substantial markup for that domain, but nobody ever complains about them, oh no...because only corporations are allowed to squat domains.

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  29. Patent Troll sues Trademark Trolls. by giafly · · Score: 1

    Cybersquatters will generally either offer to sell the name back to the trademark owner for an extortionate price, or make money from internet traffic accidentally landing on their page.
    Cybersquatters sound exactly like patent trolls, such as a certain company that patented double-clicking and IsNot, just with a different type of IP.
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  30. Cybersquatting != free market by penguinoid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    To all those of you saying that cybersquatting is simply the result of the free market, well you are wrong. It is the result of improper pricing for domains in the first place. All short or word-like domains should have been priced higher. When prices are too low, a shortage will result -- as it has.

    Also, Microsoft has a legitimate interest is removing cybersquatters, as do we all, because quite a few of these (appart from other issues) are phishing or pushing crapware (or just advertizing, but that is acceptable in my book). Also, holding domains captive results in crappier names for everyone, which is a bad thing.

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    1. Re:Cybersquatting != free market by acvh · · Score: 1

      "All short or word-like domains should have been priced higher."

      All short or word-like domains were registered before they cost anything at all. Remember, please, the Internet was not created for businesses. It was created for information sharing. People who want to make money using the Internet should play by OUR rules; they shouldn't be imposing their rules on us.

      Cheers,

      acvh

    2. Re:Cybersquatting != free market by joebok · · Score: 1

      You say cybersquatting is not simply the result of free market forces, then you go on to cite the free market forces (cheap domain names) that have resulted in the ubiquity of cybersquatting?

      I don't think there is anything really new or interesting about cybersquatting vs any other form of trademark infringement and/or deceptive advertising that has been going on for as long as there have been trademarks. It will work itself out in the courts as so many similar things have in years past.

      But in the end, I think you are right - this isn't a free market problem. So long as one person is willing to lie and cheat to make a living, the problem will never really go away. Caveat emptor; on the Internet doubly so.

    3. Re:Cybersquatting != free market by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To all those of you saying that cybersquatting is simply the result of the free market, well you are wrong. It is the result of improper pricing for domains in the first place. All short or word-like domains should have been priced higher. When prices are too low, a shortage will result -- as it has.

      To all those of you saying that cybersquatting is simply the result of the free market, well you are wrong.

      You're right, it's not simply the result of the free market. It is, however, partly the result of a free market.

      It is the result of improper pricing for domains in the first place.
      Not at all. There are plenty of commodities available for next to nothing in the physical realm, which are in short supply due to limitations on who may collect the goods (like land ownership), whose prices are high due to market forces. Claimsquatters looking for seams of precious metals are in the same boat as domain squatters, yet no one would argue that claimsquatting was not a result of the free market; nor would one argue that land speculation is not a result of the free market.

      It is the result of improper pricing for domains in the first place.
      Also a factor, but this is not exlusionary to the market forces that cause the value to be so high. In fact, the domains wouldn't be improperly priced if it weren't for market forces.

      When prices are too low, a shortage will result -- as it has.
      Domain names are not a commodity, one cannot simply subsititute one domain name for another and have them be equivalent products. You can't extrapolate that low prices caused a shortage in this case. If you did want to consider domain names a commodity, then you'd have to say that they are priced too high, since the supply of them is infinite -- they should be free.

      Also, Microsoft has a legitimate interest is removing cybersquatters,
      Yes, they have an interest. Legitimacy is another concern; if free market capitalism were to really apply, there is no question of legitimacy, only of interest.

      as do we all, because quite a few of these (appart from other issues) are phishing or pushing crapware (or just advertizing, but that is acceptable in my book)
      Phishing: Agreed.
      Pushing crapware: Caveat Emptor

      Also, holding domains captive results in crappier names for everyone, which is a bad thing
      Why a bad thing? In the long run, crappy domain names for everyone means that domain names will become less important for branding, which means less dependence on English, less dependence on getting the best domain name for your organization or person -- which frees us all up to spend more resources on other things. The whole domain registry system is broken, and the sooner domain names lose their relevance[1], the better.

      [1] As is already happening, as people increasing use Google or other search engines as portals.
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  31. Cybersquatters - Trademarks by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

    IMHO, the problem isn't just cybersquatters who register based on trademarks. It's cybersquatting in general. I wanted to register a domain name that was an acronym, but I find that various people just register acronyms. .gov, .org, .com, and .us were taken (I thought you had to be a non-profit to register a .org? What happened to that?) so I am stuck. I can't afford to pay their silly fees, and I wouldn't want them to profit anyway, so I won't do it. How many legit sites are shut-out by these tactics?

    1. Re:Cybersquatters - Trademarks by cyclop · · Score: 1

      Oh please.
      Be creative. Find another name relevant to you and containing your acronym inside and use it. If you company is ACME, use "acme-company", for example. If you do, let's say, players, register "acmeplayers" or something similar.

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  32. Oxymoron and PR Stunt? by twiddlingbits · · Score: 0, Troll

    "Microsoft's internet safety enforcement team" seems an Oxymoron as many holes as IE has had to let bad things happen to your PC while on the Internet.

    I also wonder if this is a PR stunt by Microsoft to win a few brownie points to offset the otherwise evil image held by a lot of techies? Courts have normally held that unless you own a brand name/company name that someone is squatting on you don't have much standing to sue. It's a free market otherwise. And I don't see M$ needing to sue about anything but THIER name and products.

  33. Mother of all fucking hypocrites by Mammothrept · · Score: 1

    Microsoft has the nerve to sue other companies for typosquatting? Normally, I'm all for suing such vermin but Microsoft? Type www.lyndows.com in your browser and see where you end up. Lemme see if I can find an email address for TFA's author and ask to to go back to Microsoft for a comment.

    1. Re:Mother of all fucking hypocrites by z0idberg · · Score: 1

      I dont get it.

      It looks like it goes to some aimoo message board that no longer exists. Domain registered to some guy in Bolivia.

      You seem to be suggesting it is owned by Microsoft or something?

    2. Re:Mother of all fucking hypocrites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Tis quite possible that GP owns the domain in question, and invented this ploy to get a few extra clicks from readers of slashdot.

  34. Futile by Aneirin · · Score: 1

    It doesn't matter whether they think its a good example or not. The fact that your trademark doesn't give you rights to THAT domain would make this lawsuit obviously futile. This was already resolved a long time ago when companies didn't have websites and wanted to get on the arena. They discovered other people already had the domain that was "theirs." They found out they had to just buy it from the other people. Trademark!=domain registration. It's that simple.

    1. Re:Futile by Aneirin · · Score: 1

      Here is a little follow up. What microsoft should be doing is actually submitting the information to ICANN and not trying to sue under trademark. http://www.icann.org/dndr/udrp/policy.htm --- it is a violation of the rules of the registrar (adopted in 1999) under 4.a / 4.b.iv. So to clarify yes the people are in violation, but suing under trademark is the wrong way to do it.

    2. Re:Futile by cdrguru · · Score: 1

      Except ICANN has proven themselves to be utterly useless at this sort of thing.

      Domain registrations are supposed to be public so offending copyright violations can be referred to the domain owner. Not possible today because registrars aren't following the rules.

      Somewhere I'm sure there is a rule against utterly stupid phishing domains. A few simple questions need to be asked when someone tries to register paypal-inc.com, but it isn't happening.

      Most of the registration system is broken, mostly by out-of-control registrars. So, suing may be the only effective tool at their disposal.

  35. Enforced by goldaryn · · Score: 2, Funny

    Cybersquatting is a growing problem for brands around the world and we hope to educate other brand holders and encourage them to take action," said Aaron Kornblum, senior attorney on Microsoft's internet safety enforcement team.

    Or else we'll pay you a call, like those weenies at the Dyslexic Domains Company*

    *knock knock*
    "Who dat?"
    "Internet Safety Enforcement, hit the dirt motherfuckers!"
    "AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!"

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  36. Typo domains by Ash-Fox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I get a distinct feeling that they're annoyed that they aren't making as much money as they could on typo domains (Microsoft redirecting unknown domains in IE to their search site). I have to wonder if this made any influence on their decision to go after cyber-squatters.

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  37. Microsoft are trademark squatters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windowing GUIs and office software predate Microsoft's entry into these markets, therefore should not be subject to trademark status.

    How many other generic names is Microsoft now claiming it "owns"?

    1. Re:Microsoft are trademark squatters by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      You are correct. In a sense. Those markets existed, but were in their infancy. Only a select group of people were aware of them at the time. If you ask the random person on the street in 1985 what windows was and you wouldn't have anyone tell you it was related to computers. If you do that now, they'd tell you about win xp or vista, not Mac Os x or any other windowing system. So does that mean microsoft does have a right to them? I don't know its really an unexplored territory, that microsoft paid dearly to prevent linspire/ lindows from charting.

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  38. Why... by eno2001 · · Score: 1

    ...do I keep picturing Martin Short's lawyer character Nathan Thurm saying everything Kornblum says? Maybe that's just the way the world works?

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  39. pot, meet kettle by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    isnt microsoft's deal with novell just microsoft cybersquatting on Linux's IP???

    just an extreme thought...

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  40. Is it just me or ... by haraldm · · Score: 1

    ... does anybody else doubt if Microsoft is going after more than maybe the 5 or 10 cybersquatters who own domains that look like Microsoft's? I for one wouldn't bet on them doing a real effort and wipe the entire problem away. An if that is so, where is the news? Microsoft is going to sue a couple of people who they think are peeing at their legs. Huh?

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  41. It's True! by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

    I just got a nastygram from their attorneys about my glass systems for model trains (microwindows.com). Dammit!

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  42. Define a cyber-squatter - by crismoj · · Score: 1

    Doesn't Microsoft and other companies engage in cyber-squatting themselves when they register domains like www.microsoftsucks.com? They are keeping others from posting legitimate gripe sites by registering and sitting on the domain name.

  43. Microwindows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know you were being funny but there really is a microwindows and what's more it's existed since the late '90s. Trademarks must be pro-actively enforced so MicroWindows is fine, if MSFT bring a lawsuit for trademark infringement they risk losing their trademarks rights.

    Ha!

    1. Re:Microwindows by haraldm · · Score: 1

      This does not look like a cybersquatter. What's your point?

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  44. OK What is Cybersquatting? by Zygamorph · · Score: 1

    The problem that I see is that you can have more than one legitimate use for the same domain.

    For example, I heard a story about when the little hamburger chain, MacDonalds, was expanding in Britain and found out that someone already owned the macdonalds.uk domain. They sent a nasty gram to the owner claiming ownership. The reply was supposedly quite terse and was signed "The MacDonald".

    For those who aren't familiar with Scottish tradition, the head of clan "X" is called "The X" and they are responsible for deciding when the clan goes to war. I can just picture the head of the UK PR department for MacDonalds (the hamburger chain) trying to explain that little faux pas while listening to bag pipes coming over the horizon. :-)

  45. Right. Because it was made for corporations by RiffRafff · · Score: 1

    That's right, the entire Internet exists for corporations. After all, that's the only reason the 'net exits. It's simply a conduit for advertising and FUD. :rollseyes:

    More and more, I find myself longing for the bang!path days of old...

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  46. Are they going to sue themselves? by lbmouse · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.dailydomainer.com/200784-microsoft-eart hlink-charter-cybersquatting.html

    Not *exactly* cybersquatting, but just as bad if not worse.

    1. Re:Are they going to sue themselves? by SEMW · · Score: 1

      The article you linked to is a load of crap. If you put a search term, not preceded by an "http://" , into the address bar, IE first adds an "http://" and tries to resolve it; if it doesn't resolve, it plugs it into your default search engine. The vast majority of people use Google as their default search engine, so it will search Google. And yes, a Google search (as with all the major search engines) has sponsored results (and Microsoft certainly doesn't make any money off you searching Google).

      (BTW, browser and OS upgrades both preserve the default search engine).

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    2. Re:Are they going to sue themselves? by lbmouse · · Score: 1

      I would have to disagree... unfortunately it is not crap. We are talking about average users who will use the default browser (80% Explorer) installed on their Windows machines (~90%) and will never change the default settings (search engine, etc). This is a VERY large group of users who probably aren't the most computer literate (have no idea what http:/// is) let alone capable of typing or spelling very well. When these average users try to go to a company's website and don't type the URL properly, they are being redirected to a MS site where MS makes a profit off of their mistake. This is as bad if not worse than what most cybersquatters are doing. Users should be given an error so that they correct the problem and move on. If they want to search they can go to a search engine site or use the browsers search window. The URL window should only be used for the browser's compatible protocols.

    3. Re:Are they going to sue themselves? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the users you're concerned about don't know how to change the default search site, they also won't know how to correct their problem and move on.

  47. More power to them. by Churla · · Score: 1

    If they want to use the power they have to make the internet in some way a better place, which I think we can all agree it would be without people cybers-quatting for greed and profit, they have my vote.

    The question becomes, if they nail the current squatters to the wall what is to prevent another round of squatters from snatching up the domains? If they really want to be heroes in this field they should destroy the squatters, then take the domains and establish a non-profit org which would take applications and award the domain name to the first person with a viable use for it. Unfortunately this would be exceedingly venerable to corruption. Once they've established the "domain trust" hand it over to a neutral third party and fund it "blind trust" style.

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  48. Among the 1,100 recovered domains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    some that Microsoft doesn't really need to recover:

    microsoft.sucks.com
    microsoft.cares.about.its.customers.com
    microsoft.quality.com

  49. To sum up my reaction by snowwrestler · · Score: 1

    You, sir or madam, are the problem.

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  50. ...would be nice. by PsEvo · · Score: 1

    Sure, the internet would much better without cybersquatting, and I would be amazed if Microsoft is successful; however, is it not perfectly legal to buy a domain and do nothing with it? If we want to keep our rights and freedoms on the web, then anyone could buy any domain and do what they want with it, especially if it's a .com (commercial) domain. :(

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  51. Free Market by Khammurabi · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'd have to side with the cybersquatters on this one. While it's annoying to occasionally run across a site you weren't expecting, I think it is just wrong to say that a person or company should be "entitled" to a domain name. Most people and companies did not jump to acquire the domain name when the web was first born, and most likely have not actively pursued the name for the past 15 years. As such, I say that the person who did scoop up the name (and PAID for it) has a better right to it. Why should a person or company who wants the domain 5 years after it first existed be given special treatment. You snooze, you lose. (Hell, there are a billion acres of land out west that ranchers are "squatting" on. If you follow M$ reasoning, I should be able to sue them to get the land at a discounted price.)

    And I doubt M$ intentions are that noble. I've seen many companies sue other legitimate sites as "cybersquatters". The rival company has a similar product or name, and they bullied into selling the domain to the bigger fish.

    If you want cybersquatting to go away, you need to address the root issue. Raise the price of registering a domain name. Cybersquatters will dissappear. The only reason they exist right now is that the investment is trivial compared to the expected profit.

    1. Re:Free Market by cyclop · · Score: 1

      I fully agree.

      I can't believe people is here believing that the fact people are profiting from "www.microsofft.com" or "www.googlee.com" is something bad. It will be my brain hardwired to exact string checking, but the string "microsofft" IS NOT the string "microsoft". For what damn reason can the owner of the string "microsoft" go and sue the owner of the string "microsofft"? On one side, people should learn to type properly -if they don't, their fault. On another, how far goes it? Cover all 1-letter deltas from "microsoft" is OK, but 2-letter deltas? 3? Should we count delta/word length ratio? Vicinance of letters on the QWERTY keyboard? Or what else?

      I support all these "cybersquatters". They are harming no one, and they just do a bit of profit from people mistyping. Not moral hard-earned hard work, sure, but surely less evil than suing them.

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    2. Re:Free Market by pacalis · · Score: 1

      Dude, so there's not harm in drinking the kewl-aid?

    3. Re:Free Market by inviolet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I support all these "cybersquatters". They are harming no one, and they just do a bit of profit from people mistyping. Not moral hard-earned hard work, sure, but surely less evil than suing them.

      I wonder how you assessed the harm (or lack thereof) caused by typosquatting. From down there in your basement, perhaps you hadn't noticed that typosquat websites are loaded with pr0n, viruses, bogus search engines, and occasionally even attempts to pass themselves off as the real thing. These ills create the impression that it is perilous to seek out microsoft.com on the web. The harm from that impression is probably what prompted Microsoft to release the hounds.

      Not to mention the harm to the customer (which Microsoft's lawyers are more or less acting as proxy for). Registering 'micorsoft.com' can only be an attempt to fraudulently subvert a customer's intention to pursue a relationship with microsoft. And that is real harm, no matter what value or dysvalue the cybersquatter website offers.

      If a person wishes to bash Microsoft, then let them register 'microsoftsucks.com'. Or just do like everyone else: create a slashdot account. :)

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    4. Re:Free Market by cyclop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      perhaps you hadn't noticed that typosquat websites are loaded with pr0n, viruses, bogus search engines, and occasionally even attempts to pass themselves off as the real thing.

      Well, every site loaded with viruses, bogus search engines and misleading informations should be closed, not just typosquatters, and not because they are typosquatting.

      Registering 'micorsoft.com' can only be an attempt to fraudulently subvert a customer's intention to pursue a relationship with microsoft. And that is real harm

      Why? Imagine tomorrow I build a true,legit software house called "MicorSoft". Yes, I capitalize also on typosquatting maybe, but that's no more than a clever advertising technique. Does this harm Microsoft? Maybe, but also competition harms Microsoft, yet we don't feel the need to protect it from competition.

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    5. Re:Free Market by inviolet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why? Imagine tomorrow I build a true,legit software house called "MicorSoft". Yes, I capitalize also on typosquatting maybe, but that's no more than a clever advertising technique. Does this harm Microsoft? Maybe, but also competition harms Microsoft, yet we don't feel the need to protect it from competition.

      We don't protect them from competition, no, because everyone fares best with competition. But we do protect their identity from subversion. Bill Gates invested a massive amount of resources in developing an identity called 'Microsoft'... and the size of that investment, and the future value of that identity, both positively motivate Microsoft to behave itself. That is to say, nobody spends $5 billion to develop a brand name and then proceeds to sell a phoney product and flee to Mexico with the proceeds.

      An interloper named 'Micorsoft' can damage that investment, even to the point of ruining the original company's positive incentives to behave to protect its name (though this is not likely in this case due to Microsoft's sheer size). Did you ever hear about the 'Ball Home' scam in Kentucky?

      Actually we see the same thing with our own personal identities. You've presumably invested a lot of resources in your reputation, right? So I would damage you if I impersonated you to your friends, neighbors, and coworkers.

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    6. Re:Free Market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a person wishes to bash Microsoft, then let them register 'microsoftsucks.com'.

      You'll be good until MS announces the Microsoft Scalable User Content Knowledge System.

    7. Re:Free Market by Emetophobe · · Score: 1

      You're missing the key point, by getting rid of those "typosquatters", those mistyped urls will be redirected to Microsoft's Search engine instead (atleast if you use Internet Explorer). That's the main reason why Microsoft is doing this, they want more traffic hitting up and using their search engine. This is how they attack google, by levering their OS monopoly (with built-in Internet Explorer) in order to gain a foothold in the search engine battle against google (though I think they'll still fail, this is how Microsoft does business, they fight dirty).

    8. Re:Free Market by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Actually, every person I know changes their default search engine to Google. Therefore, all these mistyped URLs will be redirected to GOOGLE's search engine. Research before making baseless assumptions much?

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    9. Re:Free Market by cyclop · · Score: 1

      Well, if MS owns these domains, could it just let on them a page that automatically redirects to msn.com? Much more sure than leaving it to the browser choice.

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    10. Re:Free Market by Emetophobe · · Score: 1

      Actually, every person I know changes their default search engine to Google. Therefore, all these mistyped URLs will be redirected to GOOGLE's search engine. Research before making baseless assumptions much?

      So based on all your friends/contacts, I should come to the conclusion that everyone changes the default search engine to google in Internet Explorer?

      I'm aware that people can change the search engine preference, but do you think your average Mom or Pop ever accesses the Internet Explorer Settings? They don't know how nor do they care. Most knowledgeable users switched to a more secure browser a long long time ago, so most IE users are probably less tech-savvy and are less likely to change the default settings in Internet Explorer. Microsoft takes advantage of the fact that most IE comes with Windows and most users don't know any better.
    11. Re:Free Market by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      They can only seize domains via WIPO that are similar to their own trademarks. If they shut down a cybersquatter, any domains that aren't similar to MS IP would be released back into the available pool, presumably.

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    12. Re:Free Market by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      If you ever visit Google (which even the mythological "mom and pop" you refer to will do at some point), Google displays a message saying to change your default search to Google, and offers a handy link to automatically do so.

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  52. Domain name speculation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gotta love the derogatory term "cybersquatter"...brings up images of shantytowns, homeless people wandering aimlessly on the streets, smelly hacker-types...you get the picture.

    I don't understand the vehemence that always accompanies this topic. It's no different than real estate speculators snatching up the dregs, hoping that there's a gem in their they can sell (or make money from some other way) that will pay for the other lousy holdings. Really...just get over yourselves because you're pissed you typed the wrong domain name in, or you failed to renew your domain when it was up for renewal. Like any business, you snooze, you lose.

  53. Not free market - IP theft by pacalis · · Score: 1
    Many squatters are effectively stealing property, because they leach off the goodwill of many existing brands. They hurt consumer welfare as they make it harder for the public to find the information they are looking for. Squatters can also hurt innovation as they increase the costs to small businesses in defining a new brand. Becuase the trademark suits that those businesses would want to bring are more expensive than the 1-5K the squatters ask for, they have a harder time launching new products.


    MS won't solve this but the problem is easy to solve. Remembering that .com registrations are for companies, renewal fees should be increased to $100/year, which will go unnnoticed by most companies, and severely reduce the inventories of squatter whores on the net.


  54. Way to gloss over the real problem by snowwrestler · · Score: 1

    You're right that Microsoft is not going to elicit much sympathy. But the real issue is that NEW start-ups, companies, and people are getting locked out of semantic URLs by squatters. Microsoft can afford to pay off anyone...but I can't. The only alternatives are either nonsense domains (where do you think "Web 2.0" names come from...it's not because people think they're cute), or extremely long domains of 3 words or more.

    This is directly analogous to the issue of network neutrality. Why should a small group of people be allowed to hold entire TLDs hostage for ransom? It's no better than a small group holding last-mile access hostage.

    And can I just say that the "free market" comments are utter bullshit. It's NOT a free market--it's a heavily regulated market (ICANN, Verisign), and the heavy regulation creates artificial scarcity. Squatters are gaming the rules, and the answer is not to claim that there are no rules--the answer is to fix the rules.

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  55. Re:Mod Parent Up by mpapet · · Score: 1

    Microsoft has an end-game that's not yet clear.

    When, ever, has Microsoft done something that doesn't specifically enhance their bottom line?

    Maybe they are going after a walled garden DNS system for Microsoft OS licensees? Nice hooks into their Sharepoint/Exchange crack pipe?

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  56. My Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's MY problem with this whole cybersquatting thing.

    My domain is named after a personal nickname that I've used extensively for the past 15+ years. Among other things, it's a nod to an item of popular geek culture, so is hardly original or unique. It's also my username on /. (and many other places) which is why I'm posting anonymously. 7 years ago when I went to register the domain I was stunned to find that the .com version was already owned. The .net was not, so I registered it and have been using it for my personal (and now-defunct business) site for 7 years.

    When I regsitered the .net, the .com was owned by a company who'd taken the name as the name of their company. It was a small company so I wasn't worried much about any sort of cyber squatting dispute. (They didn't even have a web site at the time.)

    Now, however, the domain is owned by a magazine publishing house. (It's not their main web site.) What's to prevent them from deciding to take my domain away from me? It doesn't have any sort of trademark in it, but why should that stop them? They're not a huge company, but they're plenty large enough to push me around. A court case might vindicate me: I've been using the name online since at least 1994 (two years earlier than the .com registration) and possibly earlier. Much harder to prove, but I've been using it offline since around 1990-91. It would never get that far; I couldn't afford the legal fees to try and fight it.

  57. That was then, this is now by AlbionTourgee · · Score: 1

    Flash back 20 years or so, and imagine Bill Gates talking about the role of lawyers in the tech biz. Probably, you'd need earplugs. Lawsuits? Regulation? Antitrust? You imagine the invective. Now, the tune is different. It's, Lawyers are a Firm's Best Friend! (Apologies to Marilyn Monroe) This is one more symptom that MS, which has created negative value for its shareholders this century, is really on the ropes financially. With their monopolies, they just don't have any feasible business direction that could make enough money to make their stock a good investment. So, they have switched tactics -- threaten to sue competing operating systems, occupy as much of the web as they can, make deals with Viacom and similar bullies to do anything possible to prevent communication that doesn't make a profit for MS and its buddies. The increasingly aggressive legal maneuvering by MS is a strong sign that the tech side of the company has no chance whatsoever of supporting the stock price, so the once-techie company becomes more and more of a legal bully. Oh Bill, remember when?

  58. McDowells by dunc78 · · Score: 1

    I'm going to start a company called McDowells and use Golden Arks on all my signs.

    1. Re:McDowells by spikedvodka · · Score: 1

      and use plain buns on your "Big Mic"

      Bonus points for obscure film ref: Coming to America

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    2. Re:McDowells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they have the big Mac, we have the big Mic.

    3. Re:McDowells by dunc78 · · Score: 1

      Ahh, the Big Mic, I knew they had renamed some food but I was drawing a blank.

    4. Re:McDowells by LinuxIsRetarded · · Score: 1

      Bonus points for obscure film ref: Coming to America
      Obscure? Come on guys, Comedy Central shows Coming to America almost daily!
  59. Cybersquatting is such a vague topic by jerryodom · · Score: 1
    I worked for an online advertising company for a number of years. Years back when we were trying to figure out how to make more money using the search engines we figured out the now well known tactic of buying up domains that expired and putting up our own content. The promotional work had already been done for us so we wrote a suite of programs to evaluate soon to expire domains and started scooping them up. This was before it got to be such big business so we could pick them up for $5 each. We picked up about 10,000 domains belonging to people who let their registration lapse.

    Well people start calling us threatening to sue because we were cybersquatting.(usually it started off with "stealing" then they did a little research and found the buzz word "cybersquatting") We would tell them "sorry it's ours" until one day a guys says "I'll give you $5,000" today for the domain. So we started offering them up for sale even though our initial reason for the purchase was ads and search engine manipulation.

    We got a few lawsuits, nothing ever happened.

    As for new registrations tough luck if you don't get your choice domains. Just because your letters run together the same way some other guys do doesn't mean it's rightfully yours.

    Defaming an entity actively would understandably draw legal action for that offense but why should the entity being defamed get ownership of the domain for that?

    As far as pricing is concerned who's to say what a domain's worth to it's owner? My company paid me to write and update software, analysts to sit there and find domains and then eventually a small registration cost. After registration there was hosting, research for parked content pages, etc.(not to mention answering phone calls of pissed off former owners) Just because the end registration cost was small didn't mean they hadn't invested a good deal of money developing the process to uncover specific domain criteria for purchase.

    I've just rambled my way into figuring out what point I wanted to make in this post....

    All your domains are belong to us!

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    1. Re:Cybersquatting is such a vague topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a piece of shit. The world would be a better place without you.

  60. Whats the problem here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have to make a profit somehow.

  61. Nissan.com anyone? by 0p7imu5_P2im3 · · Score: 1

    I can see where this is headed:

    Microshaft's team of 200 lawyers: "Clearly this business is cybersquatting because their business model has nothing to do with their domain name."
    Defendant's single underpaid lawyer: "It's the $@#!ing owner's $@#!in' last name!"
    Judge (who has stock in Microshaft): "Clearly Microsoft is correct here because their owner operates a shoddy foundation that causes more problems than it fixes. I find in favor of the complainant and summarily deny all appeals."

    This satire brought to you by the Truth in Advertising Coalition, unless they actually exist, in which case, it's brought to you by some guy who's too afraid to leave his basement.

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  62. The White Trash of the Internet by mandie · · Score: 1

    Before I heard the term "cybersquatters," I thought of them as the "white trash of the Internet".

    "Cybersquatters" sounds much more polite.

    (but I also have a poor opinion of the "flippers" who, with the help of a mortgage industry gone wild, have thoroughly screwed up a good deal of the American housing market)

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  63. Motive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only reason Microsoft wants cybersquatters out is because Internet Explorer automatically takes users to MSN Search when they mistype a domain name, and lets them view Microsoft's ads. Cybersquatters take possible ad revenue away.

    While I agree with doing away with cybersquatters, I disagree with Microsoft behind the movement because of their motives.

  64. Tyopgraphical Erorrs? by krygny · · Score: 1

    I can't remember the last time I typed out a URL. It's just so '90s.

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  65. Re:Mod Parent Up by anonicon · · Score: 1

    >When, ever, has Microsoft done something that doesn't specifically enhance their bottom line?

    Microsoft Bob and his boyfriend Clippy?

  66. Oh ferget it... by haraldm · · Score: 1

    need new glasses.

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  67. patent squatting by popo · · Score: 1

    well, patent squatting is a growing problem for independent developers
    (not to mention, a problem to general human progress).

    maybe microsoft and 'others' should take a long look in the mirror
    before accusing others of squatting for financial self-interest.

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  68. SHIT by zoomshorts · · Score: 1

    Just beacuse some of us concieved cool domain names BEFORE the vested interests
    became interested, DOES NOT MAKE US SQUATTERS !!! Sure assholes with many variations
    or mis-spellings of common trademarks ARE squatters, BUT those of us who saw the
    Internet as a viable medium BEFORE the corporate assholes became aware of the value,
    need not suffer.

    It is the people who cannot count, that deserve DEATH. Say I registered Microsoft.xxx
    long before Mickysoft had a clue, should I be penalized? Not only NO, but HELL NO.

    Mickysoft should pay through the nose for being so stupid. Period! In FACT THEY SHOULD
    be penalized for lack of insight!!!!!

    Typo squatters need not apply! THEY need to be tracked down and killed. Tiough shit, they got
    on the bandwagon too late, and for nefarious reasons!!! FUsK THEM!!!

  69. I'd also like about an acre in midtown Manhattan by popo · · Score: 1


    But a few people got there before I did.

    I hate the fact that every time I want a domain name its taken, as I hate the fact that most
    of the great real estate in the world is taken. But why on Earth should it be different?

    Why shouldn't capitalism work freely? If Microsoft wants a domain that's taken, they should
    have registered it sooner. They can hardly claim a lack of foresight when it comes to
    technology. If they still want it now, they should pay for it. Plain and simple.

    Domain names are expensive and sought after pieces of real estate.

    And if Microsoft is pissed off because the owners of that real estate are simply "squatting"
    to make a buck, then there's quite a few unused Microsoft patents I'd like to direct
    their attention to...

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  70. well crap by spamking · · Score: 0

    slashpot.org is already taken.

  71. Sounds good to me. by ^_^x · · Score: 1

    On one hand, the squatters legally bought the domain names... ...on the other, they're choking the available range of names out so that if it keeps up, you'll have to say "Just visit my website at... um... www.nameserver02.ei135gpz7.net... ah, forget it, come to 192.168.3.24!"

  72. Domain Names are for wimps by ehaggis · · Score: 1

    That's why I only surf by IP addresses. I recently bought the rights to 127.0.0.1, lots of hits on that one.

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  73. I don't trust them. by PPH · · Score: 1
    I think this is another MS play at taking a cut of every transaction on the internet. Microsoft has been trying to get into the DNS business for too long now with their alternatives to open standards.

    I've seen them buy out ISPs, transfer the domains registered by a few friends of mine (registered on their behalf by the ISP, of course) to YourName.msn.com (that screwed up a few on-line businesses pretty well) and then sell their original domain to a cybersquatter. So their record on this topic isn't clean, in my opinion.

    Sure, cybersquatting isn't great. But I'd rather see existing rules for trademarks tweaked to fix the problem than get Microsoft in the middle of legal proceedings (for a fee, no doubt).

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  74. Money problems? by one_red_eye · · Score: 1

    Is it just me or is Microsoft seeking alternative means of profit since Vista was released? This looks like something the RIAA/MPAA or SCO would do, not a highly respectable corporation like Microsoft. Seriously, suing people trying to make a buck on the coattails of giants? That can't be a crime. IHMO

    1. Re:Money problems? by cmarkn · · Score: 1

      a highly respectable corporation like Microsoft
      ::Guffaw::
      Somebody, please, rate this Hilarious.

      This is no different from Microsoft's traditional way of doing business -- wait until somebody has created a market, then steal the idea, step into that market and sue the actual innovator for using MS's idea.

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  75. Real reason for Microsofts tactics by Emetophobe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You want to know the real reason why Microsoft wants to get rid of cybersquatters? If you use Windows, fire up iexplore and type in some address that doesn't exist, you are redirected to a MSN Search page.

    If Microsoft can get rid of thousands of cybersquatters, they get more redirects going to http://sea.search.sympatico.msn.ca/dnserror.aspx?F ORM=DNSAS&q=non.existent.domain for example. Microsoft wants all mistyped urls redirected to their search engine.

    Microsoft is no better than the cybersquatters, the only difference is they have the money and lawyers to bully them into submission.

  76. cybercensors by cas2000 · · Score: 1

    let's hope they bother to distinguish between cybersquatters and individuals who happen to own a domain they want (or a domain they don't like).

  77. What a messed up law system you have in the USA by Stigu · · Score: 1

    from the article;

    "It (microsoft) has won two lawsuits - in Utah and California - resulting in the total award of $3m in damages and the return of 409 domain names"

    What on EARTH is going on there. Someone buys and open domain name, and is sued for it. This doesn't make logical NOR legal sense. First come first serve. if M$ wanted to own microsft.com as well as microsoft.com they should have bought it a long time ago.
    Also, I find it weird that anyone would care about users stupid enough to not notice they entered the wrong URL. Is this something in the area of teh "save the children" bit, but then "save the retards" or some such?

  78. hmm by xaositects · · Score: 1

    Microsoft must have it's eye on goatse.cx

  79. Unintended consequences. by cwsulliv · · Score: 1

    Now we can all look forward to more sleazebags with deep pockets extorting money from small commercial website owners with legitimate domain names but without the resources to defend themselves in court.