What downtime? What rebuilds? A properly built Exchange server in a school will run just as well as a properly built Linux box. It's also easier because the local 'tech support' and remote helpdesk know how these things work. Any half-trained MS support goon can do most of the work. If you just have to have basic student email and you're using AD anyway, Exchange doesn't add a lot of overhead.
Thanks for trying to sell me on MTAs I've been running for a decade or so though. I needed a laugh. But don't try to sell me on qmail. That's one I've had pushed on me by idiots who think DJB is the second coming of Christ. Found a surprise install of qmail and daemon-tools after an annoying afternoon of figuring out why exim wasn't working right. (Said idiot left half of it on the machine so mailq et al gave 'interesting' results.)
China's way ahead of you on that one. China for child safety!
Actually, I think it's the special transmitters we put in at Exmouth. It's part of a state government initiative, "F*** the Tourists." A definite vote getter.
True. If anything, it usually sounds like a Kiwi-South African mix to me, but other than the 'i=uh/eh,' can't count to seven without mentioning sex sound, it's usually closer to Kiwi than one of ours. It may also depend on the quality of movie you watch.:)
Yep, it could have been Keating's 'Recession we had to have,' but the only one term Labor government with a bad economic record I could think of was Jim Scullin. Two days after taking office, the '29 crash occurred. Not an easy time to govern.
You assume they'll notice the problem. How many people are running zombie machines now? If anything, it will sell site licenses of Norton FsckYourMachine 2009 and that only runs on Windows.
Microsoft already did this. The Western Australian Education Department has a deal covering all of their schools. I was shocked when I found out why schools were putting in things like Exchange Server. They paid almost nothing for it. They were paying less than 10% of what I was paying for bulk licenses and they have all of that 'cheap, available' support for the MS products.
I thought that was the current plan. During the election, Pixie promised laptops for every child. The mechanism was a $700 tax credit for parents to buy one for their children. If you look around Australian shops now, you see a lot of laptops in the $550-$700 range to target this. Has the plan changed? I wouldn't have a clue.
I agree with the other guy. Given that the average school has one under-trained, over-worked teacher doing double duty as 'tech support,' letting the kids bring any old machine to school will create havoc.
Well, you would know. It always seems to be the Brain Damaged Bogans that decide our elections. Which specific one term Labor government were you talking about? Whitlam?
They already do. I've done support for W.A. schools that were having problems with their internal Exchange server. They were shocked when we discussed the 'real' price for Exchange. They paid less than $1000 for it including CALs and hardware. MS has some serious sweetheart deals for schools and I bet if it came down to providing even cheaper Windows and Office for schools they will do it.
Actually, all of the delays for Vista have made XP pretty decent. That, and the hardware caught up. They really just need to extend their product life-cycles. Back in the NT 4 days, things were pretty stable for a long time. Now, the chance of them lengthening the lifespan of Windows versions are about as likely as flying pigs making airlines viable again.
Who lets marketing decide internal kernel version numbers?:) Oh wait, this is Microsoft we're talking about. I was only pointing out that your idea still works with the real NT version numbers.
Not quite. You could still 'Exit from Windows' to DOS in early versions of 95. The only reason DOS 7 and Windows 4 got melded together as Win95 was to cut DR-DOS out of the market. It wasn't until Windows ME that the underlying MS-DOS was really hidden.
The first NT was 3.1 to keep in line with Windows numbering. This was followed by the allegedly (I missed it by a couple of months) awful 3.5 and soon after 3.51. NT 4 matched Win95 (AKA Windows 4) Windows 2000 was NT 5.0 and XP was NT 5.1.
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Or leaving them in the carpark at the Casino. Very Australian.
Actually, I've found open-plan offices work well in a business. It's the guys in corner offices that get away with looking at porn all day.
What, Chinese knock-off copies of Cisco firewalls? It was good, freedom loving Americans who built the great firewall.
Yeah, we want our tame idiots like Alston and Coonan back. They were much better. (Holy crap, we're looking under the barrel for ministers.)
Yeah, our PM is really tough on the Chinese. He talks tough to them, or so the translator says.
What downtime? What rebuilds? A properly built Exchange server in a school will run just as well as a properly built Linux box. It's also easier because the local 'tech support' and remote helpdesk know how these things work. Any half-trained MS support goon can do most of the work. If you just have to have basic student email and you're using AD anyway, Exchange doesn't add a lot of overhead.
Thanks for trying to sell me on MTAs I've been running for a decade or so though. I needed a laugh. But don't try to sell me on qmail. That's one I've had pushed on me by idiots who think DJB is the second coming of Christ. Found a surprise install of qmail and daemon-tools after an annoying afternoon of figuring out why exim wasn't working right. (Said idiot left half of it on the machine so mailq et al gave 'interesting' results.)
I always heard it was two stakes and electricity.
Not likely. How did it take off in the first place?
China's way ahead of you on that one. China for child safety!
Actually, I think it's the special transmitters we put in at Exmouth. It's part of a state government initiative, "F*** the Tourists." A definite vote getter.
True. If anything, it usually sounds like a Kiwi-South African mix to me, but other than the 'i=uh/eh,' can't count to seven without mentioning sex sound, it's usually closer to Kiwi than one of ours. It may also depend on the quality of movie you watch. :)
Hey, Perth may be small, but it's not that small. :) We've got a third freeway now.
Yep, it could have been Keating's 'Recession we had to have,' but the only one term Labor government with a bad economic record I could think of was Jim Scullin. Two days after taking office, the '29 crash occurred. Not an easy time to govern.
Really? My comment was that a lot of Australians think it's from here and not New Zealand.
Yeah, but listen to Americans do an 'Australian' accent. It's more Kiwi than Aussie.
You assume they'll notice the problem. How many people are running zombie machines now? If anything, it will sell site licenses of Norton FsckYourMachine 2009 and that only runs on Windows.
Microsoft already did this. The Western Australian Education Department has a deal covering all of their schools. I was shocked when I found out why schools were putting in things like Exchange Server. They paid almost nothing for it. They were paying less than 10% of what I was paying for bulk licenses and they have all of that 'cheap, available' support for the MS products.
I thought that was the current plan. During the election, Pixie promised laptops for every child. The mechanism was a $700 tax credit for parents to buy one for their children. If you look around Australian shops now, you see a lot of laptops in the $550-$700 range to target this. Has the plan changed? I wouldn't have a clue.
I agree with the other guy. Given that the average school has one under-trained, over-worked teacher doing double duty as 'tech support,' letting the kids bring any old machine to school will create havoc.
You do realise that Footrot Flats is from New Zealand, right? Actually, I'm not sure how many Australians now it.
Well, you would know. It always seems to be the Brain Damaged Bogans that decide our elections. Which specific one term Labor government were you talking about? Whitlam?
They already do. I've done support for W.A. schools that were having problems with their internal Exchange server. They were shocked when we discussed the 'real' price for Exchange. They paid less than $1000 for it including CALs and hardware. MS has some serious sweetheart deals for schools and I bet if it came down to providing even cheaper Windows and Office for schools they will do it.
Actually, all of the delays for Vista have made XP pretty decent. That, and the hardware caught up. They really just need to extend their product life-cycles. Back in the NT 4 days, things were pretty stable for a long time. Now, the chance of them lengthening the lifespan of Windows versions are about as likely as flying pigs making airlines viable again.
Who lets marketing decide internal kernel version numbers? :) Oh wait, this is Microsoft we're talking about. I was only pointing out that your idea still works with the real NT version numbers.
How am I ignoring 2000->XP? I only indicated why a point release was missing from the original list.
Not quite. You could still 'Exit from Windows' to DOS in early versions of 95. The only reason DOS 7 and Windows 4 got melded together as Win95 was to cut DR-DOS out of the market. It wasn't until Windows ME that the underlying MS-DOS was really hidden.
The first NT was 3.1 to keep in line with Windows numbering. This was followed by the allegedly (I missed it by a couple of months) awful 3.5 and soon after 3.51. NT 4 matched Win95 (AKA Windows 4) Windows 2000 was NT 5.0 and XP was NT 5.1.
XP is 5.1 therefore:
There's something (5.1), missing (5.1) from your list (5.1).
I wonder (5.1) what it could be (5.1)?