Costs aside, T1's give you guarantees: in the form of up/down bandwidth and SLA's (Service Level Agreements). Your T1 has a problem and you are going to get actions to correct pronto in the vast majority of circumstances (I know there is always an exception out there).
100 million sold is 100 million sold. Doesn't matter if some are replacements or not. When my current car dies (160K and counting:-) I will go get another. The manufacturer gets to chalk up yet another sale. Doesn't matter that I purchased off of them before. A sale is a sale is a sale.
How would you suggest someone combat hackers? Send them a card and chocolates? He didn't screw over Sandia Labs. Sandia Labs screwed over Sandia Labs. Mr. Carpenter just happened to be the vehicle of choice to drive over the cliffs' edge with.
My last place of employment, I gave a 6 week notice and stayed through to the end of august. Part of our pay was a end year calculation based what we brought in service hours wise. It was not a bonus, but a year end adjustment. Guess what, I didn't see 8/12's compensation. Thats ok, I picked up 15 of their customers becuase I was their primary engineer and made my compensation back in spades.
Your right, treat people fairly and they will most likley return the favor. As an aside, the owner screwed all the engineers on their compensation. When the CFO saw this (and this is the owners cousin) he let the staff know that the Owner made $750K that year, and that they got hosed. Quit and started his own tech consulting firm. In spades indeed.
I have always said this: Companies expect employees to treat said company as 'family'. When it comes time for the company to treat the employee like family... fagetaboutit.
I have one, and only one place that I have ever worked for have my loyalty. I would still be there if they were in business.
I'll go with dumb terminals when they cost less to purchase than a standard PC. There are scenarios like car dealerships that we have had success. But for general office computing environment, we have stuck with a 'traditional' desktop PC.
Wow, you actually have the mental faculty to put it together! Go tell your parents so they can continue their operant conditioning of you with a cookie.
Yeah, I'm not to hot on a group of people that doesn't have a problem distributing other peoples hard worked for / won efforts.
Disregarding SOCUS, in the moral compass sense, distributing someones hard won efforts without compensating them it theft. I like to think there are many forms of theft and that copyright infringment is one of them.
Just my opinion, also my opinion that slashdotters won't respect any ones rights until they have had theirs effectively trampled on with the same cavalier attitude that they themselves display.
And you must be part of the other slashdot crowd that turn into word nazi's when the lack of intellegence prevents you from producing a solid counter point. Sorry if in my hurried typing I didn't get P R I N C I P A L spelt out for you. Your an ass.
The guy wasn't swiping a pack of gum, or even a $40 dollar toaster from WalMart either. I 'think' the real issue/s are:
1. His handle, cmon' what were you thinking
2. His intent
3. His lack of respect for the laws of Hong Kong
While I don't agreed with all laws out there, it doesn't mean that I break them out of principal. It may mean that I will get politically active and try and do SOMETHING...
Most likely there is more to this case than either you, or I, know of. We'll have to agree to disagree.
And I take it you're the impartial slashdotter to decide value of works (good, bad or average) that are pirated and distributed with out the copyright holders consent?
The punishment is primarily for the act, not any perceived value lost or not lost. If you take a swing at a cop it doesn't matter if you connect with it or not. You're still going to jail for assault. Most likely the same amount of time either way. I think 90 days in the cooler is reasonable. I don't want to spend time in jail, so I won't become thief and distribute other peoples works.
If your handle is 'Big Crook' and I, as a judge, see that as a thumbing of your nose at law and the judicial system. I may on principal alone give you a sentence to make the point of your moral interpretude sink in a bit. 90 days in jail will probably do it.
My wifes father spent 30 days in jail for not paying child support ($400 at the time). It would have been 30 days if $1200. It wasn't based on the amount, it was on what most slashdotters lack: Princpal(s).
I listened to the entire conversation (some of it twice). Verizon was clearly stating that it was.002 (2 thousands )of a cent per kilobyte transmitted.
There wasn't any cent/sent discrepency that I could discern.
If that is the way you think... WOW. I hope you get burglerized tonight. Since a thief could obviously think that why buy a stereo system when I can just jack this guys house... You are scary indeed.
Your talking law, I am talking moral imperative. Laws come and go, nations and republics rise and fall. I catch you stealing something of mine (I don't need SOCUS to explain it for me) you will get the stuffing kicked out of you. I really don't care about Dowling v. United States.
You take something of mine with out asking...Which is what it is, SOCUS or no SOCUS.
Actually, I counldn't interpret it any other way. You are so far out there in your analogy... I am scared for the right reason. That is that you have a slight break with the realities of the value prospect of a persons work, talent, time, and investment to produce a product that while not physical in form, still has significant value none the less. This is value that you dismiss so out of hand that again: Yes, I am scared.
I am not making an argument that if a bakery could sell the "smell" they would. You did that. I honestly don't know where you intended to go with that. Bakeries sell baked goods. They are not "Smelleries".
"The truth of the matter is that merely causing something to increase in value, or creating something valuable, is not enough, by itself, to always result in your having rights to that new value."
SURE I DO! Hello? To use your analogy of realestate. If I put in new grass, a picket fence and some nice plants. Spend $6000, and reap $12000 more when I sell my house... SO what if your neighbor's house went up in value? Value was created (perceived or otherwise) and there was a reward. Now if no one is willing to pay ADDITIONAL, then I as an investor simply made a mistake. What a weak and pathetic argument. I know that you didn't ask Van Halen to produce music either. But it doesn't mean that you get access to his works in electronic form (or any other form). If you want access to it any time you want it, you pay for it.
The truth is that market places determine value. NOT YOU the individual. It is a mass movement afair. It proved the case with iTunes. If you can develope a market that is win/win/win (the consumer, the labels, the artist)giving it away I am all for it. You don't create markets through theft though... You make jails for that.
Well, you are certainly good(not)at ignoring the whole download part of my reply. Not that I would let you off the hook that easy.
Your argument about a drive in theater and 10 story building is tenous at best and doesn't rise to a level of credibility in a philosophical debate. You're just throwing up chaff, there is an exception to every rule (or Law if you ask my biology professor).
I just called a musician buddy and asked him if someone copied his music instead of buying it, if that constituted theft. He said yes. I agree. So, why don't you copy something of mine, then come on over and tell me how you didn't deprive me of income. Maybe I will only smash you in the face once or twice.
I have plenty of paying customers that refer our software to others. So no, I don't feel the need for the morally bankrupt to "advertise" it for me.
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Costs aside, T1's give you guarantees: in the form of up/down bandwidth and SLA's (Service Level Agreements). Your T1 has a problem and you are going to get actions to correct pronto in the vast majority of circumstances (I know there is always an exception out there).
100 million sold is 100 million sold. Doesn't matter if some are replacements or not. When my current car dies (160K and counting :-) I will go get another. The manufacturer gets to chalk up yet another sale. Doesn't matter that I purchased off of them before. A sale is a sale is a sale.
How would you suggest someone combat hackers? Send them a card and chocolates? He didn't screw over Sandia Labs. Sandia Labs screwed over Sandia Labs. Mr. Carpenter just happened to be the vehicle of choice to drive over the cliffs' edge with.
No ones fault but the end user if they dont read the EULA. Gawd knows I read them before agreeing.
My last place of employment, I gave a 6 week notice and stayed through to the end of august. Part of our pay was a end year calculation based what we brought in service hours wise. It was not a bonus, but a year end adjustment. Guess what, I didn't see 8/12's compensation. Thats ok, I picked up 15 of their customers becuase I was their primary engineer and made my compensation back in spades.
Your right, treat people fairly and they will most likley return the favor. As an aside, the owner screwed all the engineers on their compensation. When the CFO saw this (and this is the owners cousin) he let the staff know that the Owner made $750K that year, and that they got hosed. Quit and started his own tech consulting firm. In spades indeed.
I have always said this: Companies expect employees to treat said company as 'family'. When it comes time for the company to treat the employee like family... fagetaboutit.
I have one, and only one place that I have ever worked for have my loyalty. I would still be there if they were in business.
I'll go with dumb terminals when they cost less to purchase than a standard PC. There are scenarios like car dealerships that we have had success. But for general office computing environment, we have stuck with a 'traditional' desktop PC.
Money that is to buy the FCC. Try again next year... They can be bought, just the price tag is high.
The only limits on a users Exchange Mailbox are the ones an administrator places as policy... Do some research before posting stuff like this.
Wow, you actually have the mental faculty to put it together! Go tell your parents so they can continue their operant conditioning of you with a cookie.
Yeah, I'm not to hot on a group of people that doesn't have a problem distributing other peoples hard worked for / won efforts.
And this is new news how? Nothing to see here folks, move along.
Try and comment when you actually have a real/valid point.... what a joke. Lol.
Disregarding SOCUS, in the moral compass sense, distributing someones hard won efforts without compensating them it theft. I like to think there are many forms of theft and that copyright infringment is one of them.
Just my opinion, also my opinion that slashdotters won't respect any ones rights until they have had theirs effectively trampled on with the same cavalier attitude that they themselves display.
Ah, one of these days congress or SOCUS will get it right and call it what it truly is: Theft.
And you must be part of the other slashdot crowd that turn into word nazi's when the lack of intellegence prevents you from producing a solid counter point. Sorry if in my hurried typing I didn't get P R I N C I P A L spelt out for you. Your an ass.
The guy wasn't swiping a pack of gum, or even a $40 dollar toaster from WalMart either. I 'think' the real issue/s are: 1. His handle, cmon' what were you thinking 2. His intent 3. His lack of respect for the laws of Hong Kong While I don't agreed with all laws out there, it doesn't mean that I break them out of principal. It may mean that I will get politically active and try and do SOMETHING... Most likely there is more to this case than either you, or I, know of. We'll have to agree to disagree.
Hello... They guy isn't going to jail for the rest of his life, it's 90 days. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
Nice try at not linking those two together.
And I take it you're the impartial slashdotter to decide value of works (good, bad or average) that are pirated and distributed with out the copyright holders consent?
The punishment is primarily for the act, not any perceived value lost or not lost. If you take a swing at a cop it doesn't matter if you connect with it or not. You're still going to jail for assault. Most likely the same amount of time either way. I think 90 days in the cooler is reasonable. I don't want to spend time in jail, so I won't become thief and distribute other peoples works.
If your handle is 'Big Crook' and I, as a judge, see that as a thumbing of your nose at law and the judicial system. I may on principal alone give you a sentence to make the point of your moral interpretude sink in a bit. 90 days in jail will probably do it.
My wifes father spent 30 days in jail for not paying child support ($400 at the time). It would have been 30 days if $1200. It wasn't based on the amount, it was on what most slashdotters lack: Princpal(s).
I listened to the entire conversation (some of it twice). Verizon was clearly stating that it was .002 (2 thousands )of a cent per kilobyte transmitted.
There wasn't any cent/sent discrepency that I could discern.
http://www.coastal.edu/math/mathcontest/Level2_04. pdf it is a math contest co-sponsored by Verizon.
Value as in prices, duh... Ya, sure your an economist.
If that is the way you think... WOW. I hope you get burglerized tonight. Since a thief could obviously think that why buy a stereo system when I can just jack this guys house... You are scary indeed.
Your talking law, I am talking moral imperative. Laws come and go, nations and republics rise and fall. I catch you stealing something of mine (I don't need SOCUS to explain it for me) you will get the stuffing kicked out of you. I really don't care about Dowling v. United States.
You take something of mine with out asking...Which is what it is, SOCUS or no SOCUS.
Actually, I counldn't interpret it any other way. You are so far out there in your analogy... I am scared for the right reason. That is that you have a slight break with the realities of the value prospect of a persons work, talent, time, and investment to produce a product that while not physical in form, still has significant value none the less. This is value that you dismiss so out of hand that again: Yes, I am scared.
I am not making an argument that if a bakery could sell the "smell" they would. You did that. I honestly don't know where you intended to go with that. Bakeries sell baked goods. They are not "Smelleries".
"The truth of the matter is that merely causing something to increase in value, or creating something valuable, is not enough, by itself, to always result in your having rights to that new value."
SURE I DO! Hello? To use your analogy of realestate. If I put in new grass, a picket fence and some nice plants. Spend $6000, and reap $12000 more when I sell my house... SO what if your neighbor's house went up in value? Value was created (perceived or otherwise) and there was a reward. Now if no one is willing to pay ADDITIONAL, then I as an investor simply made a mistake. What a weak and pathetic argument. I know that you didn't ask Van Halen to produce music either. But it doesn't mean that you get access to his works in electronic form (or any other form). If you want access to it any time you want it, you pay for it.
The truth is that market places determine value. NOT YOU the individual. It is a mass movement afair. It proved the case with iTunes. If you can develope a market that is win/win/win (the consumer, the labels, the artist)giving it away I am all for it. You don't create markets through theft though... You make jails for that.
Well, you are certainly good(not)at ignoring the whole download part of my reply. Not that I would let you off the hook that easy.
Your argument about a drive in theater and 10 story building is tenous at best and doesn't rise to a level of credibility in a philosophical debate. You're just throwing up chaff, there is an exception to every rule (or Law if you ask my biology professor).
I just called a musician buddy and asked him if someone copied his music instead of buying it, if that constituted theft. He said yes. I agree. So, why don't you copy something of mine, then come on over and tell me how you didn't deprive me of income. Maybe I will only smash you in the face once or twice.
I have plenty of paying customers that refer our software to others. So no, I don't feel the need for the morally bankrupt to "advertise" it for me.