Should kids be brought up knowing that their life on the web is being documented and controlled by people other than their parents? Uh, is this a trick question?
Dude, you made the actual crux of the matter and don't even realize it: A person went to jail, was arrested , booked, fingerprinted all because he didn't feel like being called a criminal that day by a CORPORATION!? He didn't show someone a receipt or open his bag? Now that is fucked up.
Are you kidding me? You actually don't get it? How thick can you be? Simply amazing.
I didn't know there was a 'Convenient' time to protect your person from unreasonable search and seizure. You simply amaze with your sheeple attitude. I for one applaud him just like I do Brett Darrow.
I would have given the manager an option: The only way you can inspect MY stuff, since it is now MY stuff and not YOUR stuff is that you will simply give me my money back and I will shop else where. If you really wanted to see it that bad, you can also put it back on the shelf and stare at it for as long as you like. Or you can let me go on about my business and not consider your customers a criminal.
Your attitude is why law enforcement feels that they can get away with stuff. I have no doubt that enough people will start refusing this search going out of the store that soon our lawmakers will bow to their corporate masters and make a law to deal with it. So when the police do come, they have more and more gestapo like powers to throw your ass in the can.
You want to know what is cheaper? Not shopping there. I don't do either CC or BB for two reasons:
The extended warranty they try shoving down your throat and the whole check my bag at the front door. I just fucking walked 15 feet from the cash register. Was I seriously able to sneak that 72" LCD that I have been drooling over for the past 3 years out of there? And if your worried that your cashiers are not ringing up something for a buddy of theirs, I fail to see where that is MY problem.
The last time I was there was for an XBOX 360, games, and some add on's. The cashier kept going on about the extended warranty. I told them to f'off and cancel the order. Left the entire pile right there at the register and walked out.
Nope, no skewing intended. I totally see your point. The only time I have been forced to purchase from the bookstore are texts written by the Department. You are kinda stuck at that point. Any texts that are used by schools nationwide I have always found online with out (ab)using the book store to do it. This is just my take on things. To each their own.
I understand where you are coming from. I go online and find the ISBN from the publishers site. Far as cars go, there are MANY independent sources for pricing and other information. When I am armed with that I then will go to some dealerships for a good price. Dealerships will all have roughly the same cost involved in doing business. That means a level playing field. It's not like one dealership will not have showroom, no service bay, no commissioned sales persons etc.
The analog you presented doesn't quite hold up.
The person in this example wasn't comparison shopping. They were getting a hands on of the book, the ISBN with no intent to 'comparison' shop. They were most likely already set to purchase else where and used the convenience of the bookstore to do it.
that they run a brick and mortar store, stock thousands of titles just so you can come in for the convenience of getting a hands on, writing down the ISBN and purchasing from someone that doesn't have to maintain a storefront nor as many employees.
We changed our business model at least. Thats why when we put together a proposed solution for a client, we charge. You get your 'consultation' fee back if you use us for the work. If you go somewhere else at least we didn't provide a free solution. Thanks goes out to all the cheapo ass-hats out there.
Actually, I picked up a Dell that is extremely quite with Vista Home Premium for about $150 LESS than I could build a comparable machine with NO OS. Dual Core Athlon, 24" monitor for $649 shipped. Could you please re-explain? I mean a the lowest priced DECENT 24" monitor was $499 after rebate at the time.
Uh, this is/. isn't it? Paying for Stuff=Bad is the unofficial mascot around here. Only thing worse than griping about something not being free any longer is a company protecting their IP by copyright then patent and then trademark. Pretty much in that order from what I have been able to gather.
And you wonder why your voice will never be heard by the politicians... Lending a book or CD is fine. Perfectly acceptable morally and legally. What you can't do, and I can not believe you don't get it is: You can't make an reproduction of that for re-distribution w/o the copyright holders blessing.
1st off: Very poor analogy. 2nd off you aren't advertising that your door is open, and that you have 800 cd's, 2000 books, come on in and help your self to a copy please make sure you leave the originals.
Why wouldn't you hang a sign on the door of your house letting everyone know it's open? I am giddy with excitement awaiting your reply. Lets see if you can answer it in 4 words or less.
I wanted to truly thank you for that post. I don't know how you can come here and post something as thoughtful and eloquent as that among the rabid "information was mean to be free" and "IP is 19th Century concept that should be abolished".
Watch out, you have made new, and potentially mentally unstable enemies with a coherent post. Boy, now you've really went and done it.
You must have not read the part where the sent us a purchase order.
My point about the 30 day try before you buy eval is that they obviously DIDN'T. It is TRY B4 YOU BUY. If you bought, you bought.
In 2005 we had a hospital send us a purchase order for software. The IT staff had been using poledit.exe instead of group policies for starters and had trouble getting our software to run under the user account in their all Windows 2003 Domain with XP workstations. You people that know what you are doing will realize what I am saying in the second sentence. Our software will run under the Windows 2000/3 AD user restrictions.
So first things first. We offer a 30 day try BEFORE you buy. This is even better than a 30 day money back guarantee since MBG's require you to front money.
Needless to say, they have issues getting the product working. We suggest a few ways (including not using poledit, or putting the machines in their own workgroup, to running the product from an encrypted script that elevate privs if they insist on using poledit) which they all said was not acceptable. They don't pay, so to court we go.
The basic jist is this: There was a contract to purchase. If you are selling something, and we come to terms, all parties say "YES". DONE DEAL bottom line. Courts will uphold this till the cows come home. We have went to court 5 times now where someone thought they didn't have to pay. We have come out with our money every time.
Zero tolerance happens because there used to be a tolerant policy that assholes abuse. I can understand zero tolerance policies. Especially in the U.S. where we all think we are owed something.
Could you at least post something with content? Our EULA does a few things:
Forbids decompiling our binaries, Forbids any hacking of the binaries or data base, it defines that all sales are final that that you as the customer have taken advantage of the 30 day no money up front evaluation.
The big thing that it does for use is sets Jurisdiction. Any court procedeings that take place, take place in the county we run the business from.
We have had customers buy the software sight unseen, and then when it doesn't do what they want, charge the credit card back to us.
You would be mistaken that we could recover our monies any other way. We would have to fly out to the jurisdiction of each customer, hire a lawyer that is licensed to practice there. All becuase some idiot like yourself purchased something with out practicing what the law calls 'Due Diligence'.
Our EULA isn't mean spirited either. If you would like I could post a copy for you to see it is in very understandable english.
We have a EULA, and it is there to protect us from the CONSUMER. End users really try to pull off some pretty obstinate shit. Like ordering, and then simply not paying. They feel for some reason that since it is software and not hardware, that we suffer no real loss.
Our EULA is easy to read, no lawyer needed.
Thank goodness for our EULA, we have won three times in court with some schmuck that ordered and didn't think they had to pay. Boy were they surprised.
I am glad you aren't running our courts.
A manufacturer can include EULA's in print all the time. Unless they have a way of proving that you read it (like breaking the seal, clicking ok etc) it doesn't apply.
"She and other teens are finding themselves in hot water after their families get blindsided with huge phone bills thanks to hefty a la carte text messaging charges."
And here I thought it was because a teenager figuratively living on the cell phone... Yep, typical American attitude "It's not my fault, let's blame someone else".
Jeez, what's next: I got sunburn, it's the atmospheres fault for letting all the uva and uvb through...
God help America.
Uhm... The campaign people are the professionals. Joe is not. Joe has NO idea of what number to ask for. He ventured a guess, because they asked him to.
So whos' fault is it? Joe the volunteer, or Chris and company, the PROFESSIONAL campaigners?
Maybe, just maybe, they should have floated a number past Joe right off the bat. They may not have for the fact that the first person to make an offer in a situation like this is usually the loser.
I personally don't know how high or low Joe should be compensated for his efforts. Joe wasn't asking to be compensated here folks, he was offered compensation.
Sounds like the Obama campaign likes to make easy stuff hard...
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Dude, you made the actual crux of the matter and don't even realize it: A person went to jail, was arrested , booked, fingerprinted all because he didn't feel like being called a criminal that day by a CORPORATION!?
He didn't show someone a receipt or open his bag? Now that is fucked up.
Are you kidding me? You actually don't get it? How thick can you be? Simply amazing.
I didn't know there was a 'Convenient' time to protect your person from unreasonable search and seizure. You simply amaze with your sheeple attitude. I for one applaud him just like I do Brett Darrow.
I would have given the manager an option: The only way you can inspect MY stuff, since it is now MY stuff and not YOUR stuff is that you will simply give me my money back and I will shop else where. If you really wanted to see it that bad, you can also put it back on the shelf and stare at it for as long as you like. Or you can let me go on about my business and not consider your customers a criminal.
Your attitude is why law enforcement feels that they can get away with stuff. I have no doubt that enough people will start refusing this search going out of the store that soon our lawmakers will bow to their corporate masters and make a law to deal with it. So when the police do come, they have more and more gestapo like powers to throw your ass in the can.
You want to know what is cheaper? Not shopping there. I don't do either CC or BB for two reasons: The extended warranty they try shoving down your throat and the whole check my bag at the front door. I just fucking walked 15 feet from the cash register. Was I seriously able to sneak that 72" LCD that I have been drooling over for the past 3 years out of there? And if your worried that your cashiers are not ringing up something for a buddy of theirs, I fail to see where that is MY problem. The last time I was there was for an XBOX 360, games, and some add on's. The cashier kept going on about the extended warranty. I told them to f'off and cancel the order. Left the entire pile right there at the register and walked out.
Nope, no skewing intended. I totally see your point. The only time I have been forced to purchase from the bookstore are texts written by the Department. You are kinda stuck at that point. Any texts that are used by schools nationwide I have always found online with out (ab)using the book store to do it. This is just my take on things. To each their own.
I understand where you are coming from. I go online and find the ISBN from the publishers site. Far as cars go, there are MANY independent sources for pricing and other information. When I am armed with that I then will go to some dealerships for a good price. Dealerships will all have roughly the same cost involved in doing business. That means a level playing field. It's not like one dealership will not have showroom, no service bay, no commissioned sales persons etc.
The analog you presented doesn't quite hold up.
The person in this example wasn't comparison shopping. They were getting a hands on of the book, the ISBN with no intent to 'comparison' shop. They were most likely already set to purchase else where and used the convenience of the bookstore to do it.
that they run a brick and mortar store, stock thousands of titles just so you can come in for the convenience of getting a hands on, writing down the ISBN and purchasing from someone that doesn't have to maintain a storefront nor as many employees.
We changed our business model at least. Thats why when we put together a proposed solution for a client, we charge. You get your 'consultation' fee back if you use us for the work. If you go somewhere else at least we didn't provide a free solution. Thanks goes out to all the cheapo ass-hats out there.
Actually, I picked up a Dell that is extremely quite with Vista Home Premium for about $150 LESS than I could build a comparable machine with NO OS. Dual Core Athlon, 24" monitor for $649 shipped. Could you please re-explain? I mean a the lowest priced DECENT 24" monitor was $499 after rebate at the time.
Uh, this is /. isn't it? Paying for Stuff=Bad is the unofficial mascot around here. Only thing worse than griping about something not being free any longer is a company protecting their IP by copyright then patent and then trademark. Pretty much in that order from what I have been able to gather.
Gasp, a for profit company creating a no lose scenario for making a profit. Who woulda' thunk it?
And you wonder why your voice will never be heard by the politicians... Lending a book or CD is fine. Perfectly acceptable morally and legally. What you can't do, and I can not believe you don't get it is: You can't make an reproduction of that for re-distribution w/o the copyright holders blessing.
1st off: Very poor analogy. 2nd off you aren't advertising that your door is open, and that you have 800 cd's, 2000 books, come on in and help your self to a copy please make sure you leave the originals.
Why wouldn't you hang a sign on the door of your house letting everyone know it's open? I am giddy with excitement awaiting your reply. Lets see if you can answer it in 4 words or less.
I wanted to truly thank you for that post. I don't know how you can come here and post something as thoughtful and eloquent as that among the rabid "information was mean to be free" and "IP is 19th Century concept that should be abolished".
Watch out, you have made new, and potentially mentally unstable enemies with a coherent post. Boy, now you've really went and done it.
You must have not read the part where the sent us a purchase order. My point about the 30 day try before you buy eval is that they obviously DIDN'T. It is TRY B4 YOU BUY. If you bought, you bought.
In 2005 we had a hospital send us a purchase order for software. The IT staff had been using poledit.exe instead of group policies for starters and had trouble getting our software to run under the user account in their all Windows 2003 Domain with XP workstations. You people that know what you are doing will realize what I am saying in the second sentence. Our software will run under the Windows 2000/3 AD user restrictions. So first things first. We offer a 30 day try BEFORE you buy. This is even better than a 30 day money back guarantee since MBG's require you to front money. Needless to say, they have issues getting the product working. We suggest a few ways (including not using poledit, or putting the machines in their own workgroup, to running the product from an encrypted script that elevate privs if they insist on using poledit) which they all said was not acceptable. They don't pay, so to court we go. The basic jist is this: There was a contract to purchase. If you are selling something, and we come to terms, all parties say "YES". DONE DEAL bottom line. Courts will uphold this till the cows come home. We have went to court 5 times now where someone thought they didn't have to pay. We have come out with our money every time.
Zero tolerance happens because there used to be a tolerant policy that assholes abuse. I can understand zero tolerance policies. Especially in the U.S. where we all think we are owed something.
We use it and all the items you complain about works for us. Hmmmm, interesting. Search and email have been 0% problem for us.
Slashdot editors approve crap like this, but not a story about Sprint-Nextel terminating 1,100+ customers due to excessive complaining...
How do I get a job here.
I don't even have a response to this...
Could you at least post something with content? Our EULA does a few things:
Forbids decompiling our binaries, Forbids any hacking of the binaries or data base, it defines that all sales are final that that you as the customer have taken advantage of the 30 day no money up front evaluation.
The big thing that it does for use is sets Jurisdiction. Any court procedeings that take place, take place in the county we run the business from.
We have had customers buy the software sight unseen, and then when it doesn't do what they want, charge the credit card back to us.
You would be mistaken that we could recover our monies any other way. We would have to fly out to the jurisdiction of each customer, hire a lawyer that is licensed to practice there. All becuase some idiot like yourself purchased something with out practicing what the law calls 'Due Diligence'.
Our EULA isn't mean spirited either. If you would like I could post a copy for you to see it is in very understandable english.
We have a EULA, and it is there to protect us from the CONSUMER. End users really try to pull off some pretty obstinate shit. Like ordering, and then simply not paying. They feel for some reason that since it is software and not hardware, that we suffer no real loss. Our EULA is easy to read, no lawyer needed. Thank goodness for our EULA, we have won three times in court with some schmuck that ordered and didn't think they had to pay. Boy were they surprised. I am glad you aren't running our courts.
A manufacturer can include EULA's in print all the time. Unless they have a way of proving that you read it (like breaking the seal, clicking ok etc) it doesn't apply.
Come off of your artificial pulpit. Terminating seed crops are a simple greed grab wrapped in the cloak of tangent pluses.
"She and other teens are finding themselves in hot water after their families get blindsided with huge phone bills thanks to hefty a la carte text messaging charges." And here I thought it was because a teenager figuratively living on the cell phone... Yep, typical American attitude "It's not my fault, let's blame someone else". Jeez, what's next: I got sunburn, it's the atmospheres fault for letting all the uva and uvb through... God help America.
Uhm... The campaign people are the professionals. Joe is not. Joe has NO idea of what number to ask for. He ventured a guess, because they asked him to.
So whos' fault is it? Joe the volunteer, or Chris and company, the PROFESSIONAL campaigners?
Maybe, just maybe, they should have floated a number past Joe right off the bat. They may not have for the fact that the first person to make an offer in a situation like this is usually the loser.
I personally don't know how high or low Joe should be compensated for his efforts. Joe wasn't asking to be compensated here folks, he was offered compensation.
Sounds like the Obama campaign likes to make easy stuff hard...