I am guessing you sneak into the movies. I mean, they can't be taken away simply by viewing or downloading it. I guess you don't owe any producer, director, writer, actor anything for their efforts.
I feel like I would like to arrange a meeting with you idiots just so I could beat the stuffing out of the lot of you.
You people REALLY scare me. Just because a musician produced something that isn't a tangible object doesn't mean you have some sort of ass backwards idea that you shouldn't have to pay. If you want what the artist created. YES, within copyright, you SHOULD pay for it.
The bakery isn't selling smells, they are selling bread. Swipe a loaf and see what happens.
The scary part is how morally corrupt most of the slashdot community is. I would love to have all the people here that produce a commercial package (like I do) shoot me a link to their website. This is so I can download a demo,and crack it. Hey, it's ok. Coders are artists also, and you don't inherently owe them anything MERELY BECAUSE THEY CREATED something. I wish I could interpret your post some other way. But I can't.
Heck, that was happenning in 97' when I worked in the Columbus, Ohio TWC/AT&T market. Ooops, the newly laid fiber just got bored through as we were pulling cable. TWC Columbus had a Cisco guy on staff for ~2 years that did nothing phone switch wise becuase AT&T constantly had TWC tied up in court. This while there were busy rolling out tv services in parallel build out.
Um... You could reasonably argue that murder is the most vile form of theft. You could also argue that rape is a most violent form of theft. Theft can have more than one name. Theft could be a mis-demeanor, petty larceny, grand larceny. These are all differing shades of the same basic thing: Theft. If you have something that does not belong to you by law, it is basically theft.
If you take something away from someone (even though you don't actually possess that something). It is still a form of theft. I weep for this generation where you have people like your self that won't own up to your own moral compass, and the **AA that won't own up to theirs.
How about this: Copyright infringment can be interpretted as a finicial loss for the artist/label via the fact that once convicted by a venue of competent jurisdiction, you pay damages in the form of currency.
Simply put, if you obtain something free of charge, that you shouldn't, and you get caught, your are induced to pay for the infraction.
I guess you can at least have a clear conscious that you didn't actually 'steal' anything. Even though you owe someone $21,000 for a CD's worth of music. You call it what you want. I personally think you are showing signs of psychosis: A severe break with reality. Keep drinking the kool-aid.
Actually, you could have picked up the MS Action Pack for $299. Your comparison is so out of whack that it is beyond credibility. I can only chalk your comparison to ignorance.
While $50 dollars isn't bad per se, neither is $299 for all the software you get from MS. Just want to keep it fair.
You must not run your own business developing software:-) I would say about 1 in 20 customers actually have a clue. Most don't even know how to use, or what is, Windows File Explorer. I have to do trivial stuff remotely like: Printer installs, copy a file to a folder on the c:\ drive. Save, then unzip an attachment.
Good luck to the linux community getting those type of users into the big tent...
While I don't condone piracy/theft (yes stealing, not what you/.er's call 'copyright infringment)in any form, I also don't codone brainwashing our youth via a corporate sponsor.
This is a matter best left to parents. Please teach your children to be moral adults and not to steal music and movie content. Also teach them to stick up for their fair use rights and participate in our democracy via either voting and/or serving the public themselfs.
As far as the movie industry crying wolf in regards to jobs lost. That is a joke in and of its self. Does anyone remember the term "spagetti western"? These are 50's-70's cowboy movies shot in Italy to save cost. This put Americans in the film industry out of work WAY before digital theft reared its ugly head.
So this whole angle of the MPAA is basically lies.
I think what the author is getting at is that we are killing the very 'body' we are hosts in. There are people that compare the human race to a cancer, or virus in a cell. With the earth being the cell and doing what she can do to get rid of us. We treat our planet like shit.
It doesn't matter if the Judge has any technological savvy or not, what don't you understand about DEFAULT judgments? Spamhaus failed to show up. We just went through this: We filed a complaint against a customer that ordered via check, we shipped product, they put a stop payment on the check. We filed in court, they didn't show up and we were awarded a DEFAULT judgement. Took about 90 seconds.
I don't even know if Spamhaus at the very least an "Answer" (a document that basically argues their side with out showing up).
I owned everything from the original 1000, through the 4000, Video Toasters/Flyers, Kitchen Syncs (T.B.C's) all souped up with either GVC or Progressive Peripherals CPU Accelerators. Folks, It was great while it lasted. Some of my fondest times in computing was on the Amiga platform. IT IS DEAD. BeOS was the last shot at something truly great. Give it up.
Free software goes on out the window, when some figures out that they actually get what they pay for. You can either have it done cheap, right, or fast. Pick two. I gave up on getting my Myth TV system at 100% a while ago...
Remember that they had to overthrow the US-supported Shah to get their country back. Hardly surprising they view the US with contempt and distrust.
And while they were at it, burn down their universities, and echew free independent thought and expression. So now if you want a routine higher education, or something as simple as a heart by-pass operation, you have to go abroad. Way to go for the wacko religious fanatics. Any country that has to be so 'controlling' of it's citizenry is frankly quite scary and not understood very well by the average westerner. Iran is fairly insular even to other arab nations in the mid-east. You can't trust something you don't understand or have no/limited knoweledge of motives.
. Think what you want about Israel, but the folks in Lebanon most certainly view, and justifiably so, Israel as real threat. I doubt the the folks in Iran intend to wait to be bombed to rubble for them to justify their concerns to the western world.
What I think is that in all the conflicts Israel has been involved in, they have not been the agressor. Lebanons' problem is that they have a problem with reality distortion and the REAL reason why they got the shit bombed out of them. I think the only justifiable view in regards to Israel is if you pick a fight, you'll get your ass kicked. I was smart enough in school not to pick a fight with the toughest guy there... can't say that for all the mid-east countries that have taken a swipe as Israel. Egypt at least got it's reality in order and has a peaceful co-existence with Israel. I agree, I wish we would get off our dependency on oil, leave the mid-east countries to themselves and if they ever fuck with us after that, wipe them off the map. I don't agree with alot of our mid-east policy, Afghanistan was necessary, Iraq uncalled for.
I hope you realize, that is exaclty what more and more artist are doing. Pirating of music most definately affects the artist and label. First off, not all labels and record execs are Evil. A good example is Steve Via and his Favored Nations label. It's a very good outlet for true musicians that happen to play the Guitar. Just received my Vernon Reid and Andy Timmons CD's. Purchased copies for my brother also. In this case, yes, if I had pirated Andy's or Vernons works, it means a tangible difference for them.
Even though I owned an Atari 800XL, I have to say that the C= 64 was more influential. For every one 800XL owner, there were three C= 64 owners. I got the C= 128D and then an Amiga (500, 2000, and 3000/UX). Too bad Commodore had governership of it. BTW, the CDTV was SOOOOO schweeet!.... So ahead of it's time. But you know what they say about spilt milk.
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I am guessing you sneak into the movies. I mean, they can't be taken away simply by viewing or downloading it. I guess you don't owe any producer, director, writer, actor anything for their efforts. I feel like I would like to arrange a meeting with you idiots just so I could beat the stuffing out of the lot of you.
I couldn't agree with you more. The moral interpretude exhibited on slashdot is NOTHING short of frightening.
You people REALLY scare me. Just because a musician produced something that isn't a tangible object doesn't mean you have some sort of ass backwards idea that you shouldn't have to pay. If you want what the artist created. YES, within copyright, you SHOULD pay for it.
The bakery isn't selling smells, they are selling bread. Swipe a loaf and see what happens.
The scary part is how morally corrupt most of the slashdot community is. I would love to have all the people here that produce a commercial package (like I do) shoot me a link to their website. This is so I can download a demo,and crack it. Hey, it's ok. Coders are artists also, and you don't inherently owe them anything MERELY BECAUSE THEY CREATED something. I wish I could interpret your post some other way. But I can't.
Could some one give him a stern talking to about trampling over my fair use rights? After all, right is right and wrong is wrong...
Heck, that was happenning in 97' when I worked in the Columbus, Ohio TWC/AT&T market. Ooops, the newly laid fiber just got bored through as we were pulling cable. TWC Columbus had a Cisco guy on staff for ~2 years that did nothing phone switch wise becuase AT&T constantly had TWC tied up in court. This while there were busy rolling out tv services in parallel build out.
Um... You could reasonably argue that murder is the most vile form of theft. You could also argue that rape is a most violent form of theft. Theft can have more than one name. Theft could be a mis-demeanor, petty larceny, grand larceny. These are all differing shades of the same basic thing: Theft. If you have something that does not belong to you by law, it is basically theft.
If you take something away from someone (even though you don't actually possess that something). It is still a form of theft. I weep for this generation where you have people like your self that won't own up to your own moral compass, and the **AA that won't own up to theirs.
How about this: Copyright infringment can be interpretted as a finicial loss for the artist/label via the fact that once convicted by a venue of competent jurisdiction, you pay damages in the form of currency.
Simply put, if you obtain something free of charge, that you shouldn't, and you get caught, your are induced to pay for the infraction.
I guess you can at least have a clear conscious that you didn't actually 'steal' anything. Even though you owe someone $21,000 for a CD's worth of music. You call it what you want. I personally think you are showing signs of psychosis: A severe break with reality. Keep drinking the kool-aid.
Actually, you could have picked up the MS Action Pack for $299. Your comparison is so out of whack that it is beyond credibility. I can only chalk your comparison to ignorance.
While $50 dollars isn't bad per se, neither is $299 for all the software you get from MS. Just want to keep it fair.
I do believe that you have it backwards... *scratching head*
You must not run your own business developing software :-) I would say about 1 in 20 customers actually have a clue. Most don't even know how to use, or what is, Windows File Explorer. I have to do trivial stuff remotely like: Printer installs, copy a file to a folder on the c:\ drive. Save, then unzip an attachment.
Good luck to the linux community getting those type of users into the big tent...
How about this, Microsoft stole all our browser ideas and all we got was this lousy cake?
While I don't condone piracy/theft (yes stealing, not what you /.er's call 'copyright infringment)in any form, I also don't codone brainwashing our youth via a corporate sponsor.
This is a matter best left to parents. Please teach your children to be moral adults and not to steal music and movie content. Also teach them to stick up for their fair use rights and participate in our democracy via either voting and/or serving the public themselfs.
As far as the movie industry crying wolf in regards to jobs lost. That is a joke in and of its self. Does anyone remember the term "spagetti western"? These are 50's-70's cowboy movies shot in Italy to save cost. This put Americans in the film industry out of work WAY before digital theft reared its ugly head.
So this whole angle of the MPAA is basically lies.
I think what the author is getting at is that we are killing the very 'body' we are hosts in. There are people that compare the human race to a cancer, or virus in a cell. With the earth being the cell and doing what she can do to get rid of us. We treat our planet like shit.
It doesn't matter if the Judge has any technological savvy or not, what don't you understand about DEFAULT judgments? Spamhaus failed to show up. We just went through this: We filed a complaint against a customer that ordered via check, we shipped product, they put a stop payment on the check. We filed in court, they didn't show up and we were awarded a DEFAULT judgement. Took about 90 seconds.
I don't even know if Spamhaus at the very least an "Answer" (a document that basically argues their side with out showing up).
Is it just me, or is it just plain obvious to somehow get Eric Johnsons' Cliffs of Dover as track?
I owned everything from the original 1000, through the 4000, Video Toasters/Flyers, Kitchen Syncs (T.B.C's) all souped up with either GVC or Progressive Peripherals CPU Accelerators. Folks, It was great while it lasted. Some of my fondest times in computing was on the Amiga platform. IT IS DEAD. BeOS was the last shot at something truly great. Give it up.
Core 2 Duo happened. Hello out there...
Hello....? It doesn't matter WHO or WHAT their history is at the Bank. My lawyer and I will be having a sit down ANY WAYS.
Hell, I am dis-organized as it gets, but I have a 762 credit rating. Depending on which credit service you check, I am about as good as it gets...
Free software goes on out the window, when some figures out that they actually get what they pay for. You can either have it done cheap, right, or fast. Pick two. I gave up on getting my Myth TV system at 100% a while ago...
And those groups would be?
I hope you realize, that is exaclty what more and more artist are doing. Pirating of music most definately affects the artist and label. First off, not all labels and record execs are Evil. A good example is Steve Via and his Favored Nations label. It's a very good outlet for true musicians that happen to play the Guitar. Just received my Vernon Reid and Andy Timmons CD's. Purchased copies for my brother also. In this case, yes, if I had pirated Andy's or Vernons works, it means a tangible difference for them.
What is really scary is that todays youths don't think it's stealing/theft/whatever. THAT is what I am scared of.
Even though I owned an Atari 800XL, I have to say that the C= 64 was more influential. For every one 800XL owner, there were three C= 64 owners. I got the C= 128D and then an Amiga (500, 2000, and 3000/UX). Too bad Commodore had governership of it. BTW, the CDTV was SOOOOO schweeet!.... So ahead of it's time. But you know what they say about spilt milk.