The Laws we have in place are the same as we had back then. The main difference today is that people holding public offices tend to flaunt their pay-for-play status, where back in the 80s/90s they were still attempting to hide it. The biggest harm to IT took a while to get precedents set, but really started almost immediately with "ideas" being patented and copyrighted (you can thank the first Bush for that lovely patent reform).
As an example, Athena (X) was developed mostly by DARPA funding and grant money. Yet we had to see 32 screens worth of copyrights just to start the Xserver (okay, 32 is an exaggeration but the point remains). Some of these were to Universities like MIT, Berkley, and Stanford. Many others though were to Novell, Sun Microsystems, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, etc.. etc... And no, these were not "credits", but copyrights. This is why Linux started with a pretty old version of X and basically had to reinvent the wheel. Linux had 1 crappy pay-for version of CDE because some schlep company ended up buying copyrights to extort money from people.
(unless you're referring to the browser itself not being pre-installed?)
Obviously, I don't believe this requires a large leap on logic. I said users need to intervene to stop ads, you pointed to a browser which meets the exact criteria I gave.. that a user must intervene to stop ads. The browser only changes what a user needs to install to intervene and block ads.
NO! Good grief, at least spend 10 seconds searching Wiki before attempting to appear knowledgeable on a subject. You follow a blatant fabrication with a questionable statement, and close with complete crap. The purpose of the Constitution was not to make a 'stronger' Federal government, not even close.
What neither side pointed out in their statements was that there is a huge difference between companies creating ads and adblock. Primarily, that Adblock does not come to users by default. People have to find, download, and install Ad-block. It does not come pre-installed on anything I have ever seen.
Now compare that to the ad companies complaining who give you ads without your consent, and where you can not block them without an application like Adblock. You have to see their crap until you can figure out how to block it.
I have nearly the same amount of respect for these "advert" companies as I do for spammers. I think there is a spec on the bottom of my shoe someplace... er wait, what did I step in??
Funny to watch the Slashdot ignorant get offended at my comment.. or defensive of their language for that matter. The history of C vs. C++ threads on this site can only be rivaled by MS vs. UNIX, and KDE vs. Gnome threads. It has been a while since I have seen this one...
Obama has promised again and again to safeguard our liberties. Now he has morphed into George Bush. What did I miss?
You completely missed out on the fact that Politicians tend to be horrible psychopaths who lie to gain power. Why do you think that our Constitution and all of the Federalist papers leading up to the founding of the country wanted minimum Government at a Federal level?
Nothing new here, you can read the same thing from Plato written more than 2,300 years _before_ the founding of the US.
You are still attempting to conflate a condition on earth (related mostly to pollution) which we know exists, with a natural disaster which we have no ability to predict. That is a completely irrational comparison.
Further down you attempt to conflate discussing the two remedies to be the same thing, which is impossible if the events are not even close to similar.
At least you were honest about attempting to karma whore...
If you are not trolling then you are confusing dwelling on something you can't change with something we can change. The sarcasm and snark can only be justified if you were correct in your analogy but since it's bananas to orangutangs your statements are just being a prick.
To bring in AGW which is not any where near what I or TFA were discussing. Yet somehow you got modded insightful.. go figure
Sure, the chances of getting hit by an asteroid were probably over blown. That people panic about non-threats or believe they can win the lottery is not normal, and not because of the person as much as the hype other people put on these things.
Advertisement, people wanting power and your stuff, those are the big problems. The pressure to keep people in the cave has not changed since the allegory was first written.
If you can not make sense of the comments (yes, it is plural) that is because you are choosing to comprehend only the parts of the writing you like. That is exactly what I am referring to where people can not communicate effectively by the way. If you want a Baseball analogy, here ya go. You don't teach a kid to run the bases for a home run without teaching how to bat, and you don't teach kids to just yell "You're Out!", you teach them to catch, throw, and rules of the game.
Programming without the ability to communicate is good for whom exactly? Programming without the logic, ethics, math skills, and other world knowledge makes a poor programmer. Poor in both potential meanings.
And to your "an app for that" have you ever seen what code.org is? It's drag and drop, it's not coding. It is an application that writes code for people and uses proprietary APIs, graphics, etc.. to do so. Sure, you can manually write things outside of the APIs, but as with my comment about the few people strong enough with calculus the numbers don't jive with "everyone" learning. The overwhelming majority of people learning to "program" in school are learning how to use an application.
While I appreciate the gesture, I don't agree that high school students should be doing anything more than using technology. There is an immense amount of knowledge they are missing out on because people are pushing tech down their throats.
Here are a couple examples: How many kids today can communicate effectively to an audience outside of their friends? Not too many, because we no longer teach people how to write and communicate. How many kids can tell fact from opinion? Again, not too many because we no longer teach people to investigate and question. We teach them that if a person in authority said it, it has to be true.
So if I teach Bill and Mary how to code in 6th grade, what can they code? Not too much, because they don't have the other knowledge to make good use of programming. The few kids in high school with enough math skills to be performing calculus based physics are not justification for everyone to be learning them.
The push is to industrialize coding so that we have good little workers that know enough to program what someone tells them to program. This in turn keeps the rich rich, and everyone else gets screwed.
The check sums are already published, anyone that wants to check can check.
To the other half, I can modify any Windows binary to have malware and keep the version the same. Check sums can fix that almost all of the time. The build information is as reliable as the binary's name, in that it has very little use.
People pushing this gunk are not going after knowledgeable users that check sources (obviously), they are going after the low hanging fruit which could be "got" any number of ways. The latest craze of pushing STEM and IT Security has created a huge set of wanna-bes who know enough to be dangerous while thinking they are intelligent.
Both your position and TFA's to be perfectly clear. Members of the House, Military, and all of the various intelligence agencies are masses of people with a huge amount of collective knowledge. That "Bob" didn't know something is complete crap, because last time US Security relied on one person was... well, absolutely NEVER!
Saddam had no Nuclear weapons, and the whole story about yellow cake was fabricated by various intelligence agencies to fit an agenda. Everyone in politics and the Military knew it was bullshit, and everyone knew why it was invented by the Italian version of the CIA (which is why they attempted to hide the source). Bush was going to go to war no matter what. It was sold to the public by lots of politicians using every method imaginable (free oil, those damn terrorists, that evil dictator, etc...). The point in the propaganda game is not to convince other politicians of an action, it is to convince the public that the action is justified. That is right, the war was going to happen regardless of public opinion so it was purely justification.
Why do some people that believe politicians are stupid, do things from complete ignorance, and do things without understanding all of the possible outcomes? Well, those same people are quite frankly batshit crazy.
Can it create a chain reaction popcorn burst and wreck that guys house again?
Humor aside, as you point out targeting is not the problem here. TFA points out the problem, and questions whether or not there is actually a solution. Given the little video I saw, the laser is no different than the Air Force's airborne laser which failed.
Nifty, and sure.. some R&D should go into these projects. R&D != trying to fit a ship with something that has a range of about 1 mile on a clear day. Lasers are subject to all kinds of atmospheric issues.. including a very common thing on the Oceans called "FOG".
Missiles have much longer range, less requirement on perfect weather, and are far far cheaper.
What they are doing is well within the regulations preventing ambulance chasing. Those are ethics violations. There is actually a good amount of flexibility in what an attorney can be disbarred for in almost every State. The issue is really getting the action started. This one, pulled at random, says (pardon the formatting, I'm lazy but you have the original link).
(1) His or her conviction of a felony or misdemeanor involving moral turpitude, in which case the record of conviction shall be conclusive evidence.
(2) Willful disobedience or violation of an order of the court requiring him or her to do or forbear an act connected with, or in the course of, his or her profession, which he or she ought in good faith to do or forbear.
(3) Violation of his or her oath as an attorney, or of his or her duties as an attorney and counselor.
(4) Corruptly or willfully, and without authority, appearing as attorney for a party to an action or proceeding.
(5) Lending his or her name to be used as attorney and counselor by another person who is not an attorney and counselor.
(6) For the commission of any act involving moral turpitude, dishonesty, or corruption, whether the same be committed in the course of his or her relations as an attorney or counselor at law, or otherwise, and whether the same constitute a felony or misdemeanor or not; and if the act constitute a felony or misdemeanor, conviction thereof in a criminal proceeding shall not be a condition precedent to disbarment or suspension from practice therefor.
(7) Misrepresentation or concealment of a material fact made in his or her application for admission or in support thereof.
(8) Disbarment by a foreign court of competent jurisdiction.
(9) Practicing law with or in cooperation with a disbarred or suspended attorney, or maintaining an office for the practice of law in a room or office occupied or used in whole or in part by a disbarred or suspended attorney, or permitting a disbarred or suspended attorney to use his or her name for the practice of law, or practicing law for or on behalf of a disbarred or suspended attorney, or practicing law under any arrangement or understanding for division of fees or compensation of any kind with a disbarred or suspended attorney or with any person not a licensed attorney.
(10) Gross incompetency in the practice of the profession.
(11) Violation of the ethics of the profession.
Items 10 and 11 are why attorneys don't pursue cases of people spitting on sidewalks even such a Law exists. They are also the reason that attorneys have been disbarred for "ambulance chasing". It may be hard to get things started because attorneys starting these always fear retribution (and some of the pot calling the kettle black).
Further, if they are not actually filing court cases and just settling things out of court.. the Police could arrest them for blackmail and press charges. The charges alone could surely result in them being disbarred.
The problem with the death penalty is that there is no way to repair damage to people who were not guilty of the crime they were executed for. This happens way more often than anyone likes to admit.
With this case, do you want me to believe that rehabilitation is not possible? I say bullshit, especially when the person convicted was a minor at the time this happened with an adult influencing his behavior. Rehabilitation is possible until proven otherwise, and it was not attempted here.
Unfortunately, people in the US have been duped into thinking that the only purposes of a sentence are punishment and retribution.
I work with a guy who uses a refurbished old IBM keyboard. Heavy clicking, bulky, and honestly awesome. I grew up with an IBM manual and love feeling like I pressed a key. Now if my monitor would stop falling over when I accidentally hit the invisible carriage return...
The same thing they claim on-line voting has problems with, is the exact same thing we have problems with using boxes. Every election there is somehow missing ballots, and don't even get me started on dangling chads, absentee ballots, and how many dead people are voting every election.
No system is perfect, but what they have currently can't be any worse than on-line voting.
Acts that prevent things from happening can never be 100% proven.
The classic example is taking the keys away from a drunk. You can not prove that you prevented an accident.
Absolutely correct, and exactly the point of my response. Not only can you not prove you prevented an accident but you can't claim "a billion people would have died if we didn't take their keys", which you just did with the Cuban Missile crisis.
You attempted to claim that spying has saved more lives than it has cost, which is contradictory to _ALL_ evidence and historical data. Pay attention to that! Not "some", but all historical data shows you are wrong. Your defense for your claim is based in a hypothetical which never occurred, claiming that the Cuban Missile crisis cost lives. Brilliant! (*sarcasm*)
I know many places that only wrote IE code because it was simple to plug in other MS data. I have never agreed with this mentality, but it's not always a question of developers choosing to do so. Upper management forced it to increase profits.
The simple fact is that MS sold itself to the devil attempting to monopolize the market. The whole point of IE has been to make it so easy to access other MS data that nobody could compete, no matter the security implications (anyone else remember active installer?). Thankfully other Browsers didn't give up, and people did eventually get fed up with the pathetic security in IE. Just not before a hell of a lot of damage was done.
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The Laws we have in place are the same as we had back then. The main difference today is that people holding public offices tend to flaunt their pay-for-play status, where back in the 80s/90s they were still attempting to hide it. The biggest harm to IT took a while to get precedents set, but really started almost immediately with "ideas" being patented and copyrighted (you can thank the first Bush for that lovely patent reform).
As an example, Athena (X) was developed mostly by DARPA funding and grant money. Yet we had to see 32 screens worth of copyrights just to start the Xserver (okay, 32 is an exaggeration but the point remains). Some of these were to Universities like MIT, Berkley, and Stanford. Many others though were to Novell, Sun Microsystems, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, etc.. etc... And no, these were not "credits", but copyrights. This is why Linux started with a pretty old version of X and basically had to reinvent the wheel. Linux had 1 crappy pay-for version of CDE because some schlep company ended up buying copyrights to extort money from people.
(unless you're referring to the browser itself not being pre-installed?)
Obviously, I don't believe this requires a large leap on logic. I said users need to intervene to stop ads, you pointed to a browser which meets the exact criteria I gave.. that a user must intervene to stop ads. The browser only changes what a user needs to install to intervene and block ads.
According to that article, it does not come pre-installed. It still requires a user do something to get the ability to block ads.
The federalist papers were written by one man.
NO! Good grief, at least spend 10 seconds searching Wiki before attempting to appear knowledgeable on a subject. You follow a blatant fabrication with a questionable statement, and close with complete crap. The purpose of the Constitution was not to make a 'stronger' Federal government, not even close.
I don't have an Android, so correct me if I'm wrong.. The 'AdBlock Plus Browser' does not come pre-installed does it?
What neither side pointed out in their statements was that there is a huge difference between companies creating ads and adblock. Primarily, that Adblock does not come to users by default. People have to find, download, and install Ad-block. It does not come pre-installed on anything I have ever seen.
Now compare that to the ad companies complaining who give you ads without your consent, and where you can not block them without an application like Adblock. You have to see their crap until you can figure out how to block it.
I have nearly the same amount of respect for these "advert" companies as I do for spammers. I think there is a spec on the bottom of my shoe someplace... er wait, what did I step in??
Funny to watch the Slashdot ignorant get offended at my comment.. or defensive of their language for that matter. The history of C vs. C++ threads on this site can only be rivaled by MS vs. UNIX, and KDE vs. Gnome threads. It has been a while since I have seen this one...
NONE! Find a real language! *ducks*
Obama has promised again and again to safeguard our liberties. Now he has morphed into George Bush. What did I miss?
You completely missed out on the fact that Politicians tend to be horrible psychopaths who lie to gain power. Why do you think that our Constitution and all of the Federalist papers leading up to the founding of the country wanted minimum Government at a Federal level?
Nothing new here, you can read the same thing from Plato written more than 2,300 years _before_ the founding of the US.
If you believe a politician, shame on you!
You are still attempting to conflate a condition on earth (related mostly to pollution) which we know exists, with a natural disaster which we have no ability to predict. That is a completely irrational comparison.
Further down you attempt to conflate discussing the two remedies to be the same thing, which is impossible if the events are not even close to similar.
At least you were honest about attempting to karma whore...
If you are not trolling then you are confusing dwelling on something you can't change with something we can change. The sarcasm and snark can only be justified if you were correct in your analogy but since it's bananas to orangutangs your statements are just being a prick.
To bring in AGW which is not any where near what I or TFA were discussing. Yet somehow you got modded insightful.. go figure
Sure, the chances of getting hit by an asteroid were probably over blown. That people panic about non-threats or believe they can win the lottery is not normal, and not because of the person as much as the hype other people put on these things.
Advertisement, people wanting power and your stuff, those are the big problems. The pressure to keep people in the cave has not changed since the allegory was first written.
If you can not make sense of the comments (yes, it is plural) that is because you are choosing to comprehend only the parts of the writing you like. That is exactly what I am referring to where people can not communicate effectively by the way. If you want a Baseball analogy, here ya go. You don't teach a kid to run the bases for a home run without teaching how to bat, and you don't teach kids to just yell "You're Out!", you teach them to catch, throw, and rules of the game.
Programming without the ability to communicate is good for whom exactly? Programming without the logic, ethics, math skills, and other world knowledge makes a poor programmer. Poor in both potential meanings.
And to your "an app for that" have you ever seen what code.org is? It's drag and drop, it's not coding. It is an application that writes code for people and uses proprietary APIs, graphics, etc.. to do so. Sure, you can manually write things outside of the APIs, but as with my comment about the few people strong enough with calculus the numbers don't jive with "everyone" learning. The overwhelming majority of people learning to "program" in school are learning how to use an application.
While I appreciate the gesture, I don't agree that high school students should be doing anything more than using technology. There is an immense amount of knowledge they are missing out on because people are pushing tech down their throats.
Here are a couple examples: How many kids today can communicate effectively to an audience outside of their friends? Not too many, because we no longer teach people how to write and communicate. How many kids can tell fact from opinion? Again, not too many because we no longer teach people to investigate and question. We teach them that if a person in authority said it, it has to be true.
So if I teach Bill and Mary how to code in 6th grade, what can they code? Not too much, because they don't have the other knowledge to make good use of programming. The few kids in high school with enough math skills to be performing calculus based physics are not justification for everyone to be learning them.
The push is to industrialize coding so that we have good little workers that know enough to program what someone tells them to program. This in turn keeps the rich rich, and everyone else gets screwed.
The check sums are already published, anyone that wants to check can check.
To the other half, I can modify any Windows binary to have malware and keep the version the same. Check sums can fix that almost all of the time. The build information is as reliable as the binary's name, in that it has very little use.
People pushing this gunk are not going after knowledgeable users that check sources (obviously), they are going after the low hanging fruit which could be "got" any number of ways. The latest craze of pushing STEM and IT Security has created a huge set of wanna-bes who know enough to be dangerous while thinking they are intelligent.
Both your position and TFA's to be perfectly clear. Members of the House, Military, and all of the various intelligence agencies are masses of people with a huge amount of collective knowledge. That "Bob" didn't know something is complete crap, because last time US Security relied on one person was... well, absolutely NEVER!
Saddam had no Nuclear weapons, and the whole story about yellow cake was fabricated by various intelligence agencies to fit an agenda. Everyone in politics and the Military knew it was bullshit, and everyone knew why it was invented by the Italian version of the CIA (which is why they attempted to hide the source). Bush was going to go to war no matter what. It was sold to the public by lots of politicians using every method imaginable (free oil, those damn terrorists, that evil dictator, etc...). The point in the propaganda game is not to convince other politicians of an action, it is to convince the public that the action is justified. That is right, the war was going to happen regardless of public opinion so it was purely justification.
Why do some people that believe politicians are stupid, do things from complete ignorance, and do things without understanding all of the possible outcomes? Well, those same people are quite frankly batshit crazy.
Can it create a chain reaction popcorn burst and wreck that guys house again?
Humor aside, as you point out targeting is not the problem here. TFA points out the problem, and questions whether or not there is actually a solution. Given the little video I saw, the laser is no different than the Air Force's airborne laser which failed.
Nifty, and sure.. some R&D should go into these projects. R&D != trying to fit a ship with something that has a range of about 1 mile on a clear day. Lasers are subject to all kinds of atmospheric issues.. including a very common thing on the Oceans called "FOG".
Missiles have much longer range, less requirement on perfect weather, and are far far cheaper.
What they are doing is well within the regulations preventing ambulance chasing. Those are ethics violations. There is actually a good amount of flexibility in what an attorney can be disbarred for in almost every State. The issue is really getting the action started. This one, pulled at random, says (pardon the formatting, I'm lazy but you have the original link).
(1) His or her conviction of a felony or misdemeanor involving moral turpitude, in which case the record of conviction shall be conclusive evidence.
(2) Willful disobedience or violation of an order of the court requiring him or her to do or forbear an act connected with, or in the course of, his or her profession, which he or she ought in good faith to do or forbear.
(3) Violation of his or her oath as an attorney, or of his or her duties as an attorney and counselor.
(4) Corruptly or willfully, and without authority, appearing as attorney for a party to an action or proceeding.
(5) Lending his or her name to be used as attorney and counselor by another person who is not an attorney and counselor.
(6) For the commission of any act involving moral turpitude, dishonesty, or corruption, whether the same be committed in the course of his or her relations as an attorney or counselor at law, or otherwise, and whether the same constitute a felony or misdemeanor or not; and if the act constitute a felony or misdemeanor, conviction thereof in a criminal proceeding shall not be a condition precedent to disbarment or suspension from practice therefor.
(7) Misrepresentation or concealment of a material fact made in his or her application for admission or in support thereof.
(8) Disbarment by a foreign court of competent jurisdiction.
(9) Practicing law with or in cooperation with a disbarred or suspended attorney, or maintaining an office for the practice of law in a room or office occupied or used in whole or in part by a disbarred or suspended attorney, or permitting a disbarred or suspended attorney to use his or her name for the practice of law, or practicing law for or on behalf of a disbarred or suspended attorney, or practicing law under any arrangement or understanding for division of fees or compensation of any kind with a disbarred or suspended attorney or with any person not a licensed attorney.
(10) Gross incompetency in the practice of the profession.
(11) Violation of the ethics of the profession.
Items 10 and 11 are why attorneys don't pursue cases of people spitting on sidewalks even such a Law exists. They are also the reason that attorneys have been disbarred for "ambulance chasing". It may be hard to get things started because attorneys starting these always fear retribution (and some of the pot calling the kettle black).
Further, if they are not actually filing court cases and just settling things out of court.. the Police could arrest them for blackmail and press charges. The charges alone could surely result in them being disbarred.
The problem with the death penalty is that there is no way to repair damage to people who were not guilty of the crime they were executed for. This happens way more often than anyone likes to admit.
With this case, do you want me to believe that rehabilitation is not possible? I say bullshit, especially when the person convicted was a minor at the time this happened with an adult influencing his behavior. Rehabilitation is possible until proven otherwise, and it was not attempted here.
Unfortunately, people in the US have been duped into thinking that the only purposes of a sentence are punishment and retribution.
I work with a guy who uses a refurbished old IBM keyboard. Heavy clicking, bulky, and honestly awesome. I grew up with an IBM manual and love feeling like I pressed a key. Now if my monitor would stop falling over when I accidentally hit the invisible carriage return...
Get your new fangled crap off my lawn!
I used to live in Detroit.. do I need to say more?
The same thing they claim on-line voting has problems with, is the exact same thing we have problems with using boxes. Every election there is somehow missing ballots, and don't even get me started on dangling chads, absentee ballots, and how many dead people are voting every election.
No system is perfect, but what they have currently can't be any worse than on-line voting.
If there is one thing I despise, it is a blatant liar. Good grief, read the damn ghread history you fucking liar!
Acts that prevent things from happening can never be 100% proven.
The classic example is taking the keys away from a drunk. You can not prove that you prevented an accident.
Absolutely correct, and exactly the point of my response. Not only can you not prove you prevented an accident but you can't claim "a billion people would have died if we didn't take their keys", which you just did with the Cuban Missile crisis.
You attempted to claim that spying has saved more lives than it has cost, which is contradictory to _ALL_ evidence and historical data. Pay attention to that! Not "some", but all historical data shows you are wrong. Your defense for your claim is based in a hypothetical which never occurred, claiming that the Cuban Missile crisis cost lives. Brilliant! (*sarcasm*)
I know many places that only wrote IE code because it was simple to plug in other MS data. I have never agreed with this mentality, but it's not always a question of developers choosing to do so. Upper management forced it to increase profits.
The simple fact is that MS sold itself to the devil attempting to monopolize the market. The whole point of IE has been to make it so easy to access other MS data that nobody could compete, no matter the security implications (anyone else remember active installer?). Thankfully other Browsers didn't give up, and people did eventually get fed up with the pathetic security in IE. Just not before a hell of a lot of damage was done.