I'm not sure what your point really is. K-12 is does not imply that Calculus is getting taught to 1st graders, so the problem you bring up happens to be impacting to the "advanced" levels of education. Sure, customize the top end of High school with advanced classes and nobody would argue (or at least not that many of us). Kids in first grade lack the capacity for critical thought, so teaching them coding is pure lunacy. There are far to many other things for first graders to learn, which in turn sets them up for the ability to begin thinking critically (years later).
I will go a bit further here and state that there are different types of programming. A pure mathematician won't be able to do artistic programming very well. Give him an algorithm problem however, and they could. A purely artistic person on the other hand could whip out UI code all day and be pretty happy about this but probably hate trying to invent math algorithms. There is no right or wrong kind of programming, and never will be. Art is not always logical, and logical is usually anything but art.
You refuse (once again) to read a thread in which you are posting to find links to your alleged required citations. To further display your unwillingness to actually debate a subject you change what I said "read this thread" to "search the internet".
The conversation ends when you start inventing statements and cherry picking fragments to make irrational claims. Troll elsewhere.
I'm pretty sure you meant this as humor, but just in case. I stated that true equality would reduce her pay to that of the lowest paid "employee", not the lowest paid CEO.
I provided numerous logical points, and am equally moved by your inability to argue my points. Hence, you feign that logic based on facts you could discover on your own are invalidated somehow without providing sources. That said, I will go as far as informing you that I found a tremendous amount of posts proving that the numbers cited by extremist feminists are wrong, and even provided a link to a well done video full of facts discounting the arguments about wage inequality. The content is from a PHD, and he cites all of his statistics. He has another well researched piece about the "rape culture" fabrication as well.
In other words, discounting the bullshit is not that difficult. You, and your ilk, simply refuse to do any work.
The optimistic view as opposed to the pessimistic view is fair, though I feel I should point out that it is two sides of the same coin with the same value. I would agree if she dropped her salary and perks to be the same as the lowest person on the payroll for the company she is CEO of. That would be fair and true equality. Funny how these people tend to not want "real" equality so argue invalid arguments.
Let me link you to a nice video full of charts and graphs showing how full of shit that statement is. This way, you don't even need to read the information. It's well researched, and better than I would do in a Slashdot post. After you are proven wrong will you stop claiming a bullshit number? Probably not, but I figured I'd ask.
Because this is the epitome of a communism? I really have no idea what to attribute her stupid statement to, so picked an easy target. All offense is intended at her, not you.
What she just did is claimed that everyone magically has the same abilities, experiences, and knowledge to draw from. That is the only possible way to claim that there is no reason to ever negotiate salaries. A side effect of this will be that nobody will want to work for her, except out of desperation of course. What she will be able to hire are 40 hour a week clock watchers who stick to their job profile at their own pace. Again, that is the only type of person that wants to work for a non-negotiated salary. Factory workers.
Let me go further and state that this is where the whole "everyone should get equal money" argument falls down on it's face. On average women make the same or more money PER HOUR WORKED as a man for the same job. The statistics tossed around consider all people working the same amount of hours and the same amount of work. The statistics also neglect the fact that some jobs which are considered high risk simply lack interest by females, so for this equal pay thing to work all jobs must be paid an identical wage. That is right, a clerk in the army should make the same pay as a Navy Seal, and a PHD should make the same wage as the Walmart clerk.
In short words, I am betting this is another fabrication.. just like her claim that she was passed over for discriminatory reasons. Everything I read from this person is venomous trash, and it's really sad that the paid for media treats her opinion as more valid than countering opinions from well known rational feminists Karen Straughan. Pao is as the KGB used to say, nothing more than a useful idiot (I'll let you go figure out the meaning of that, it's a fun journey).
Once again you have to invent things that never happened and make comparisons to the abstract and extreme. This is called delusion, or perhaps psychopathy. Either way, there is no way to debate someone who can't separate fantasy from reality. Not the first time I have said that to you now is it? Nope. All done with this conversation, because psychopaths are never wrong in their minds.
No, the guy set up 1 web site where customers submitted content that he hosted on 1 server. How many victims went to the site is not relevant to this type of crime. A guy who robs 1 bank is not brought up on charges for every customer of that bank, he did 1 very wrong act and should pay for that one act. A guy arrested selling crack on the street does not get 1 count for every person who bought the drug, he gets 1 charge.
I don't like what he did any more than you, but the punishment is completely out of whack. The only way you are able to rationalize the punishment is to invent fairy tales about rape and slavery, which this guy was not arrested for doing. In fact most of the content of the site was submitted by other people who faced zero charges themselves because their acquisition and distribution of the content was done perfectly legally.
To answer your last question, as far as this guy and his web site go "yes" that is the extent of the crime. Any other fabricated "damages" were done by the parties submitting content to him. These were not the panty shots which I do take moral objection to, these were videos that couples made where both parties can do legally what they want with the content. If you are worried about naked videos of you getting out, don't give your partner consent to video or make your own. It's called being responsible for your own actions... not that people know what that really details any longer.
Finding interest in Politics/History/Philosophy does not make anyone "better" than someone else, nice accusation from ignorance. It does however indicate that I have a wealth of knowledge on those subjects, and perhaps that makes you feel inferior.
No, "News" is not the problem. The problem is that bread and circuses have been known to prevent revolts, even when they are needed to correct entrenched corruption. History is pretty clear on this point, perhaps you can study up on Roman history if you feel inferior somehow. The majority of people don't have, nor do they want, interest in Politics. You can go back further in history to Athens for historical references.
I also gave the reference for you to study the depth and breadth of corruption in the US Government.
Bribery and coercion are better legal avenues, but of course the DoJ was bought and paid for decades ago so that won't happen. IANAL but I know there is legal precedent for strong arm tactics like this. Comcast is not the first company to think "Hey, if I use a middle man they will never know it was us!"
Yeah, you say it perfectly in your third paragraph. The US Government has failed miserably - at just about everything except for protecting the extremely wealthy and ensuring that that class keeps getting more wealth. Outside of that, I can't think of a single success story. VA, IRS, GAO, FDA, CIA, FBI, ATF, DEA, DoJ, DoE, FCC, FDA, Department of the Navy, Secret Service, etc.. etc.. have all caught in corruption and scandals within the last 2 years. Some are just openly corrupt and don't give a fuck. Why should they care to hide it, the populace won't do anything because some celebrity news just hit the broadcast channels and *ooh look a shiny**.
That is the fault of the No Child Left Behind Act.
This is such a small part of the problem that it is really not worthy of discussion. Centralized testing has been mandated since the mid to late 80s. The government mandated testing, and the bureaucracy that has to follow it around is the problem. The Feds have school districts handcuffed with this, since funding is all tied to test results. Kids are stuck not learning, because constantly cramming for test problems means you rarely if ever get to learn.
Just like everything else in the Federal sector, the corruption is simply massive in the DoE. It has been for as long as the agency has been active, but today we are seeing the full force of the corruption. They are not even bothering to hide it any more.
Yeah, the "fix" is to get rid of the agency and start jailing all the people abusing offices for personal gain. Nothing likely will happen though, it's easier still to bitch about the problem than band together and take action.
Yeah, some guy that does slimy stuff for a few bucks. I could see someone who kidnaps 8 year olds and sells them into slavery having the same thing said about them. Just because you don't find it a problem doesn't mean that others share your opinion.
You have the opinion that petty embezzlement (250 bucks is petty) is the same thing as kidnapping ans slavery? I think it more likely that the only way to justify your opinion is to invent irrational analogies, which you just did.
Seriously, you don't believe it better for this guy to repay everyone he took money from illegally and work community service after? Okay, maybe he can't pay back 30-35K, but that's 1-2 years in prison normally. Add in another 2-3 years of community service and the world is going to be a better place. 18 years does not make the world a better place, it creates a tax burden because people like you are more concerned with revenge than justice.
And how many web sites was this guy running? Oh, it was just the one. Shitty as his actions were, it's better to actually rehabilitate criminals. You know, that thing we don't consider important in the US, hence the highest per capita population in prison for non-violent offenses and such.
Give the guy 2 years and make him work community service for several, and if he makes a decent living make him pay back the 250 bucks he took from someone for shitty actions.
Also found in civilized countries: people who read enough of article or are otherwise familiar enough with the case to realize that this wasn't about one single case of extortion.
Yes, it was exactly 1 case of extortion. It happened to involve multiple people, but it was a single web site and single person doing the work. When a drug dealer is busted, why don't they charge him with 99 counts of selling drugs? Because the crime is selling drugs, and low and behold there are multiple victims. Another fine analogy, why is a bank robber charged once instead of once for every customer of the bank? Because that would be something other than justice.
You sir, or madam, have been duped into believing bullshit that people want you to think without ever evaluating the theory of justice (or perhaps you forgot).
When it comes to physical harm surely we have individual counts filed, but these are not crimes of the same nature. In fact the peanuts this guy stole compared to, oh... I don't know.. pick a bank CEO that embezzled billions of dollars and never even saw a charge means that the charges are frivolous to the point of lunacy.
As the person you responded to pointed out, we have an extreme imbalance in US courts dishing out sentencing. Politicians convicted of pretty much any charge get no jail time, where the laymen receive up to life in prison for identical charges. I am of course referring to retired General Petraeus who provided classified information to his girlfriend, while Bradley Manning is spending LIFE in prison for doing the same thing. The difference was in the people, not the crime..
Face the facts here, the courts wanted to make an "example" of this guy. That is called retribution, it is not called Justice.
Yeah, I agree that the guy did some slimy crap just to make a few bucks. That said, this sentence ensures the he will never be rehabilitated, ever. This is a demonstration of a failed system of justice, nothing more.
Good grief man, _stop_ making up fairy tales and read some actual history. The accreditation process for Universities was done by University bodies, not by Government. Public schools were sometimes paid for with taxes, but there was no board of education approving teachers or schools and no Government mandating that children even went to school until the Public school systems were taken over by Government. Teachers and Parents did this without any help.
Education 100 years ago was not controlled by a Government body. Surely there were exceptions, but schools worked off of a certain philosophy which has been replaced. We could also argue that not everyone could go to school 100 years ago, or some such tangent which ignores the problem I brought up.
I also doubt your claim that education went from classical to Prussian 40 years ago.
Read what I wrote again. I did not state that it was done 40 years ago, I stated that it took about 40 years to remove the classical system completely from our schools. The introduction of the Prussian system was in the 1930s when the US Department of Education was formed. The founders explicitly stated that they wanted workers in industry, not people that could think. History is a marvelous thing, and all of this is well documented.
Are you trying to suggest that Politicians are above the treatment everyone else in society receives? Do you somehow believe that even though every cable and communication you send to grandma gets archived and sifted through, people like Hillary Clinton should be exempt? Evidence provided to law enforcement agencies by the NSA can not include those "special" class of people?
No, you must have something else in mind and simply failed so state your case properly.
One pays well, and has the potential to make you a multimillionaire. The other is a GSA employee making middle class income, and assuming you can stomach the work for 30 years a mediocre retirement check. Both jobs require a high degree of psychopathy, both result in a high suicide/mortality rate, both can result in you being disposed of if you are deemed a liability (I'm not referring to being fired, check the stats on "suicides" by things like 5 gunshot wounds to the head), and both receive tremendous public shame (rightfully so).
As the person above stated, if you are going to sell your soul you will try to get the highest price. Wall Street/Lobby agency, or "Consultant".
30 years ago people worked for the NSA because we were stupid enough as a society to believe what the media told us. Today there are too many sources of media for that to be working any longer.
If the NSA wants to really start recruiting talent here is a novel idea. Start providing enough information to the "good" law enforcement (the NSA knows who they are) agencies to prosecute all the crooks holding government offices (appointed or voted in). If they started cleaning house, and given enough time clean.. people would believe they rehabilitated and were once again looking out for the average citizens best interests. The reputation as the Stasi is too well known for them to attract anything but the scum of the US for a very long time.
That is not at all what the person stated. If the company gives you a car for sales calls and you get busted getting a prostitute (again?) after hours the company has the right to know. Further they can be held liable for all kinds of nice damages since you used their car to get the prostitute. Impound fees you may no longer be able to afford, STD tests because the prostitute accused you of being dirty, pregnancy test for the prostitute, HIV testing if you got saliva on a cop, etc...
Some people have this notion somehow that digital devices are different somehow, but in reality they are not. Your computer and network is yours. A company can't go through your stuff as they wish, and you as an employee can do what ever you want on your computer and network. Using a Company network gives the company the right to snoop the traffic and see what you are doing. Using a Company device gives them the ability to know what you do on that device (PC, Tablet, Phone, etc..). Liability is an essential concept here.
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I'm not sure what your point really is. K-12 is does not imply that Calculus is getting taught to 1st graders, so the problem you bring up happens to be impacting to the "advanced" levels of education. Sure, customize the top end of High school with advanced classes and nobody would argue (or at least not that many of us). Kids in first grade lack the capacity for critical thought, so teaching them coding is pure lunacy. There are far to many other things for first graders to learn, which in turn sets them up for the ability to begin thinking critically (years later).
I will go a bit further here and state that there are different types of programming. A pure mathematician won't be able to do artistic programming very well. Give him an algorithm problem however, and they could. A purely artistic person on the other hand could whip out UI code all day and be pretty happy about this but probably hate trying to invent math algorithms. There is no right or wrong kind of programming, and never will be. Art is not always logical, and logical is usually anything but art.
Your tone was fine, I deserve a bit of abuse for not proof reading before hitting submit. I know better and was lazy :)
Yeah, I frigged up that whole sentence if you didn't realize it. My copy/paste of her name blew out a chunk.
You refuse (once again) to read a thread in which you are posting to find links to your alleged required citations. To further display your unwillingness to actually debate a subject you change what I said "read this thread" to "search the internet".
The conversation ends when you start inventing statements and cherry picking fragments to make irrational claims. Troll elsewhere.
I'm pretty sure you meant this as humor, but just in case. I stated that true equality would reduce her pay to that of the lowest paid "employee", not the lowest paid CEO.
I provided numerous logical points, and am equally moved by your inability to argue my points. Hence, you feign that logic based on facts you could discover on your own are invalidated somehow without providing sources. That said, I will go as far as informing you that I found a tremendous amount of posts proving that the numbers cited by extremist feminists are wrong, and even provided a link to a well done video full of facts discounting the arguments about wage inequality. The content is from a PHD, and he cites all of his statistics. He has another well researched piece about the "rape culture" fabrication as well.
In other words, discounting the bullshit is not that difficult. You, and your ilk, simply refuse to do any work.
The optimistic view as opposed to the pessimistic view is fair, though I feel I should point out that it is two sides of the same coin with the same value. I would agree if she dropped her salary and perks to be the same as the lowest person on the payroll for the company she is CEO of. That would be fair and true equality. Funny how these people tend to not want "real" equality so argue invalid arguments.
Let me link you to a nice video full of charts and graphs showing how full of shit that statement is. This way, you don't even need to read the information. It's well researched, and better than I would do in a Slashdot post. After you are proven wrong will you stop claiming a bullshit number? Probably not, but I figured I'd ask.
Because this is the epitome of a communism? I really have no idea what to attribute her stupid statement to, so picked an easy target. All offense is intended at her, not you.
What she just did is claimed that everyone magically has the same abilities, experiences, and knowledge to draw from. That is the only possible way to claim that there is no reason to ever negotiate salaries. A side effect of this will be that nobody will want to work for her, except out of desperation of course. What she will be able to hire are 40 hour a week clock watchers who stick to their job profile at their own pace. Again, that is the only type of person that wants to work for a non-negotiated salary. Factory workers.
Let me go further and state that this is where the whole "everyone should get equal money" argument falls down on it's face. On average women make the same or more money PER HOUR WORKED as a man for the same job. The statistics tossed around consider all people working the same amount of hours and the same amount of work. The statistics also neglect the fact that some jobs which are considered high risk simply lack interest by females, so for this equal pay thing to work all jobs must be paid an identical wage. That is right, a clerk in the army should make the same pay as a Navy Seal, and a PHD should make the same wage as the Walmart clerk.
In short words, I am betting this is another fabrication.. just like her claim that she was passed over for discriminatory reasons. Everything I read from this person is venomous trash, and it's really sad that the paid for media treats her opinion as more valid than countering opinions from well known rational feminists Karen Straughan. Pao is as the KGB used to say, nothing more than a useful idiot (I'll let you go figure out the meaning of that, it's a fun journey).
Once again you have to invent things that never happened and make comparisons to the abstract and extreme. This is called delusion, or perhaps psychopathy. Either way, there is no way to debate someone who can't separate fantasy from reality. Not the first time I have said that to you now is it? Nope. All done with this conversation, because psychopaths are never wrong in their minds.
No, the guy set up 1 web site where customers submitted content that he hosted on 1 server. How many victims went to the site is not relevant to this type of crime. A guy who robs 1 bank is not brought up on charges for every customer of that bank, he did 1 very wrong act and should pay for that one act. A guy arrested selling crack on the street does not get 1 count for every person who bought the drug, he gets 1 charge.
I don't like what he did any more than you, but the punishment is completely out of whack. The only way you are able to rationalize the punishment is to invent fairy tales about rape and slavery, which this guy was not arrested for doing. In fact most of the content of the site was submitted by other people who faced zero charges themselves because their acquisition and distribution of the content was done perfectly legally.
To answer your last question, as far as this guy and his web site go "yes" that is the extent of the crime. Any other fabricated "damages" were done by the parties submitting content to him. These were not the panty shots which I do take moral objection to, these were videos that couples made where both parties can do legally what they want with the content. If you are worried about naked videos of you getting out, don't give your partner consent to video or make your own. It's called being responsible for your own actions... not that people know what that really details any longer.
Finding interest in Politics/History/Philosophy does not make anyone "better" than someone else, nice accusation from ignorance. It does however indicate that I have a wealth of knowledge on those subjects, and perhaps that makes you feel inferior.
No, "News" is not the problem. The problem is that bread and circuses have been known to prevent revolts, even when they are needed to correct entrenched corruption. History is pretty clear on this point, perhaps you can study up on Roman history if you feel inferior somehow. The majority of people don't have, nor do they want, interest in Politics. You can go back further in history to Athens for historical references.
I also gave the reference for you to study the depth and breadth of corruption in the US Government.
Bribery and coercion are better legal avenues, but of course the DoJ was bought and paid for decades ago so that won't happen. IANAL but I know there is legal precedent for strong arm tactics like this. Comcast is not the first company to think "Hey, if I use a middle man they will never know it was us!"
Yeah, you say it perfectly in your third paragraph. The US Government has failed miserably - at just about everything except for protecting the extremely wealthy and ensuring that that class keeps getting more wealth. Outside of that, I can't think of a single success story. VA, IRS, GAO, FDA, CIA, FBI, ATF, DEA, DoJ, DoE, FCC, FDA, Department of the Navy, Secret Service, etc.. etc.. have all caught in corruption and scandals within the last 2 years. Some are just openly corrupt and don't give a fuck. Why should they care to hide it, the populace won't do anything because some celebrity news just hit the broadcast channels and *ooh look a shiny**.
It's too bad you can't preview your post to detect when this will happen...
That is the fault of the No Child Left Behind Act.
This is such a small part of the problem that it is really not worthy of discussion. Centralized testing has been mandated since the mid to late 80s. The government mandated testing, and the bureaucracy that has to follow it around is the problem. The Feds have school districts handcuffed with this, since funding is all tied to test results. Kids are stuck not learning, because constantly cramming for test problems means you rarely if ever get to learn.
Just like everything else in the Federal sector, the corruption is simply massive in the DoE. It has been for as long as the agency has been active, but today we are seeing the full force of the corruption. They are not even bothering to hide it any more.
Yeah, the "fix" is to get rid of the agency and start jailing all the people abusing offices for personal gain. Nothing likely will happen though, it's easier still to bitch about the problem than band together and take action.
Yeah, some guy that does slimy stuff for a few bucks. I could see someone who kidnaps 8 year olds and sells them into slavery having the same thing said about them. Just because you don't find it a problem doesn't mean that others share your opinion.
You have the opinion that petty embezzlement (250 bucks is petty) is the same thing as kidnapping ans slavery? I think it more likely that the only way to justify your opinion is to invent irrational analogies, which you just did.
Seriously, you don't believe it better for this guy to repay everyone he took money from illegally and work community service after? Okay, maybe he can't pay back 30-35K, but that's 1-2 years in prison normally. Add in another 2-3 years of community service and the world is going to be a better place. 18 years does not make the world a better place, it creates a tax burden because people like you are more concerned with revenge than justice.
And how many web sites was this guy running? Oh, it was just the one. Shitty as his actions were, it's better to actually rehabilitate criminals. You know, that thing we don't consider important in the US, hence the highest per capita population in prison for non-violent offenses and such.
Give the guy 2 years and make him work community service for several, and if he makes a decent living make him pay back the 250 bucks he took from someone for shitty actions.
Also found in civilized countries: people who read enough of article or are otherwise familiar enough with the case to realize that this wasn't about one single case of extortion.
Yes, it was exactly 1 case of extortion. It happened to involve multiple people, but it was a single web site and single person doing the work. When a drug dealer is busted, why don't they charge him with 99 counts of selling drugs? Because the crime is selling drugs, and low and behold there are multiple victims. Another fine analogy, why is a bank robber charged once instead of once for every customer of the bank? Because that would be something other than justice.
You sir, or madam, have been duped into believing bullshit that people want you to think without ever evaluating the theory of justice (or perhaps you forgot).
When it comes to physical harm surely we have individual counts filed, but these are not crimes of the same nature. In fact the peanuts this guy stole compared to, oh... I don't know.. pick a bank CEO that embezzled billions of dollars and never even saw a charge means that the charges are frivolous to the point of lunacy.
As the person you responded to pointed out, we have an extreme imbalance in US courts dishing out sentencing. Politicians convicted of pretty much any charge get no jail time, where the laymen receive up to life in prison for identical charges. I am of course referring to retired General Petraeus who provided classified information to his girlfriend, while Bradley Manning is spending LIFE in prison for doing the same thing. The difference was in the people, not the crime..
Face the facts here, the courts wanted to make an "example" of this guy. That is called retribution, it is not called Justice.
Yeah, I agree that the guy did some slimy crap just to make a few bucks. That said, this sentence ensures the he will never be rehabilitated, ever. This is a demonstration of a failed system of justice, nothing more.
Good grief man, _stop_ making up fairy tales and read some actual history. The accreditation process for Universities was done by University bodies, not by Government. Public schools were sometimes paid for with taxes, but there was no board of education approving teachers or schools and no Government mandating that children even went to school until the Public school systems were taken over by Government. Teachers and Parents did this without any help.
Education 100 years ago was not controlled by a Government body. Surely there were exceptions, but schools worked off of a certain philosophy which has been replaced. We could also argue that not everyone could go to school 100 years ago, or some such tangent which ignores the problem I brought up.
I also doubt your claim that education went from classical to Prussian 40 years ago.
Read what I wrote again. I did not state that it was done 40 years ago, I stated that it took about 40 years to remove the classical system completely from our schools. The introduction of the Prussian system was in the 1930s when the US Department of Education was formed. The founders explicitly stated that they wanted workers in industry, not people that could think. History is a marvelous thing, and all of this is well documented.
Are you trying to suggest that Politicians are above the treatment everyone else in society receives? Do you somehow believe that even though every cable and communication you send to grandma gets archived and sifted through, people like Hillary Clinton should be exempt? Evidence provided to law enforcement agencies by the NSA can not include those "special" class of people?
No, you must have something else in mind and simply failed so state your case properly.
One pays well, and has the potential to make you a multimillionaire. The other is a GSA employee making middle class income, and assuming you can stomach the work for 30 years a mediocre retirement check. Both jobs require a high degree of psychopathy, both result in a high suicide/mortality rate, both can result in you being disposed of if you are deemed a liability (I'm not referring to being fired, check the stats on "suicides" by things like 5 gunshot wounds to the head), and both receive tremendous public shame (rightfully so).
As the person above stated, if you are going to sell your soul you will try to get the highest price. Wall Street/Lobby agency, or "Consultant".
30 years ago people worked for the NSA because we were stupid enough as a society to believe what the media told us. Today there are too many sources of media for that to be working any longer.
If the NSA wants to really start recruiting talent here is a novel idea. Start providing enough information to the "good" law enforcement (the NSA knows who they are) agencies to prosecute all the crooks holding government offices (appointed or voted in). If they started cleaning house, and given enough time clean.. people would believe they rehabilitated and were once again looking out for the average citizens best interests. The reputation as the Stasi is too well known for them to attract anything but the scum of the US for a very long time.
You seem to have it pretty well planned! :P
That is not at all what the person stated. If the company gives you a car for sales calls and you get busted getting a prostitute (again?) after hours the company has the right to know. Further they can be held liable for all kinds of nice damages since you used their car to get the prostitute. Impound fees you may no longer be able to afford, STD tests because the prostitute accused you of being dirty, pregnancy test for the prostitute, HIV testing if you got saliva on a cop, etc...
Some people have this notion somehow that digital devices are different somehow, but in reality they are not. Your computer and network is yours. A company can't go through your stuff as they wish, and you as an employee can do what ever you want on your computer and network. Using a Company network gives the company the right to snoop the traffic and see what you are doing. Using a Company device gives them the ability to know what you do on that device (PC, Tablet, Phone, etc..). Liability is an essential concept here.