"Well, I'm sorry to break it to you, but that's not at all what a scientific theory is. Really. Honestly. What you've got is a hypothesis, not a theory."
Right, right, I meant hypothesis, not Theory, hehe sorry bout that.
"philosophy of science and this is causing you a bit of confusion as to what is and isn't scientific and what the real power of science is; to dissern the likely from the unlikely."
Nope, understood, I try to publish something showing my attempts at proving my hypothesis and then it is up for critical review by peers who will look at it and either try to re-produce the experiments or come up with a alternate hypothesis/experiements that offers an alternate reason for what is happening...
"You can grow your own tobacco currently, but who does?"
While i do agree that pre-rolled MJ might be appealing to some, Tobacco is MUCH harder to cultivate and grow than marijuana.
Also since marijuana is a better high and negligible side effects when eaten, smoking would not be the preferred method of ingestion.
I believe even the Queen of England used to eat hashish candies back in the days when it was legal...
"Additionally, even if you do grow your own, we're talking about a significant investment (approx $1k for a decent system to grow a set of clones, plus the space to do so; cheaper than now since you wouldn't need to conceal it) and your quality will still vary wildly initially as a "hobbyist"."
Um, no, I used to, um, know "someone" who grew plants in his closet when he was younger, the entire setup from lights to growing equipment (buckets, soil, fertilizer, etc) cost a total of about 100 bucks (if that). He was able to produce 5-6 full plants which yielded about half a pound or more. This was actually less than some of his friends who had better success (since they had done it a few times and knew how to fully exploit the growth cycle).
Booze is only sinful if not used in moderation. Jesus didn't prohibit the drinking of wine (mormons will argue about this tho) and infact made it available, looking to the teachings of solomon you see that drinking is one of man's pleasures, but drunkeness to excess (alcoholism) is one of man's downfalls (stumbling blocks).
"Woah, slow down. You've got the cart before the horse there. You're coming up with descriptions of how something works before you've even shown that it exists"
I thought in science that was called a "theory", and the electrical impulses that are interpreted by our brains is pretty commonly accepted science as well, I was just making an extrapolation.
I agree that there is no proof, and I could be wrong.
But when you say:"It's not unbelievable, it's just not very likely because there's no good evidence for it despite many very smart and dedicated people trying to find that evidence."
There are many examples of theories that had no good evidence despite many very smart and dedicated people trying to find that evidence, that later did find evidence.
What it sounds like is just dismisal on your part instead of truely trying to "disprove" anything. Like your example above about the 100 participants, that is a great test of statistics, but hardly one that is sound enough to disprove telepathy...
Just give all theories equal chance before insisting that the earth is flat... I like Randi's webpage myself because it does put a critical thinking face towards mysticism and blind faith.
Not that i think it isn't possible, but it is fun to see what IS possible. Who said when every other possibility has been disproven then the only remaining explanation has to be the answer no matter how outlandish? (something along those lines...)
I'm not trying to flame you here, sorry if it comes off like that...
I know my original post was lacking on any substance and sounded like pure belief, but i'm glad to see it sparked some sort of discussion on the topic, unfortunately I posted late in the afternoon and was on my way out the door headed home, otherwise I would have followed up in some sort of detail.:)
I found a way to counter act this, just have enough movies in your queue that you want to watach, I keep a written note (.txt file) of movies I want to see and then only put 3 in my queue, when i have those 3 movies I put 3 more, and so on.
So they never have a chance to send me the "kinda want to see" movies because they aren't listed in my queue.
I found this is also a great way to get the new releases the week of their release, typically they will say "long wait" but if it is the ONLY movie in your queue then i find I usually get it within a day or 2 of release...
"How many times have you or your wife thought about different things at the same time of day while being miles apart? Probably more than 99.9% of the time. But those times are not interesting, so you don't note it or remember it. But the other 0.1%"
I don't think that because 99.9% of the time we are not thinking the same thing, that this "proves" that 0.1% of the time we could be.. i'm not saying we are all perma linked telepathically (which your example seems to try and prove) but I do believe we have the ability to sense other people's thoughts...
I've always thought of it as radio stations, we perceive everything as electrical impulses that our brain interprets, whose to say that some people can pick up on other people's impulses, or that some people might broadcast a little stronger than others... like driving through the country and getting different channels...
It's common for women who live in the same house to start syncronizing their periods, wouldn't it be reasonable to think that a family (that share genes and beliefs) to have thought patterns similar to each other, and if so be able to better "receive" these "thoughts".
I have seen articles on slashdot already that talk about causing people to receive feelings via brain implants, by sending small electrical impulses.. why is it so unbelievable that the same type of impulses can radiate out of one person's mind and interact or influence anothers?
There are many times where my daughter says something that I am thinking or vice versa, or someone is searching for a word and it pops into my head, or my wife and I thought about something at the same time of day (within minutes of each other) but being miles apart.
Too many times to be coincidence has things like this happened. But trying to force it never has produced any results...
It will be interesting to see if this experiment can "prove" anything...
"Actually, the smp version of quake3 I was running was not the server... on Mac OS X, with smp enabled I got better fps even when playing on other servers."
Right, but what i'm saying is that they have always worked extensively on the server side of their engine after releasing their games, and because of this were one of the first to have a SMP capable server.
IIRC they had the smp version of the server out a while before they released SMP for the client...
"hey, even Quake 3 had support for SMP, back in 2001."
Yah but that is because they built it into the server side of things. Id has always been good about supporting the user based server hosting community...
Not really, maximizing shareholder value often times misses the big picture and does the opposite, the first focus should be the product/customers then employees. If you do this the share holder value will take care of itself...
"Games don't make use of the second core? Who the fuck is writing these things!? Shouldn't Windows be able to make it use the other core for parallel tasks?"
Don't blame Microsoft, blame whoever made the game. Desktop dual core processors are a relatively new beast though, so it makes sense that the current gen of games have little if any support for dual cores..
"You completed Prey in 4 hours? And I thought Q4 was bad with it's miniscule 6 hours of gameplay!"
There are usually these settings you can change that make the game longer, I think they call them "difficulty".
The higher you set this the longer the game will take, although your mouse and keyboard might not survive the repeated bashing and trips across the room into a wall...YMMMV (your mouse milage might vary)
When cooking it is necessary to have the sharpest knives you can because this (counter-intuitively) is actually safer.
IF you had a knife with a single atom edge, how long would that last, and how would you re-sharpen it?
I started thinking about this in regards to cooking but for any application how would you keep this sharp?
1 atom? wouldn't that be sheared off during the first use?
I would assume a pyramid form, 1 atom supported by 2 or 3 underneath it and those supported by 6 and so on, even up to 5000 atoms would be "sharp" but how would you ever get back to 1?
I discussed this same Idea with a friend a few months back, an alternative to the child post would be if you are killed you become one of the undead and hunt down the remaining "survivors".
Instead of different "zones" which have the same game play going on, each zone could be in a different state of time after the "plague" started. Once all the "survivors" were dead you would re-start the zone.
"You maintain that we could have productive addicts, I tend to disagree. Sure there might be functional alcoholics, and even coke heads, but I suspect that the majority of these groups are non-productive. Extrapolate to heroine, and I have hard time believing that people would be tying off in the bathroom of their 9-5."
Well the truth is there ARE functional drug addicts right now, you just don't know about it because it is illegal, I can persoanlly attest to many friends I know of who regularly use and hold down steady well paying jobs. Of course there is always the threat of jail time which will take these productive members out of society.
When you treat drug addiction as a choice or disease instead of a criminal activity, the "addicts" have a way to become rehabilitated and the "functional users" won't be sent to prisions.
"Contrary to the PSA commercials drugs aren't that expensive. You can buy crack for less than a pack of cigarettes, and college students are known to consume large quantities of weed. Yet crackheads are still known to steal to feed their habit. "
The fallacy there is twofold, one, crack might be cheap but what you are talking about is a 20-40 minute high for 10 bucks, you can see that this will rapidly become expensive.
If you can buy an Oz of coke for 20 bucks that would last people days and if it didn't you can see the rehabilitation argument above.
Also with pure cheap drugs you wouldn't NEED to buy crack because all you have is 10 bucks, you could afford the high end coke, you wouldn't need to smoke marijuana, you could eat it (like they used to with hash chocolates at the turn of the century), you wouldn't NEED to slam herion because that is the cheapest way of getting high, you could afford to drink it as tea (a common easy way to ingest opium, which tastes pretty good with sugar and cream) or in other "energy/health" drinks.
People buy herion in 10 dollar ballons, and crack vials because they can't afford the good shit, because drugs are illegal.
The second part is once the drugs are legalized you can produce your own drugs, opium is quite easy to grow and somewhat easy to harvest, even more so with Pot. Cocaine not so much, but who would need to at the prices that it would be available.
"They'd say you're stealing from ABC by watching the show and not the commercials."
Yah can you imagine such a thing?
"Because of the ad skips.... It's theft. Your contract with the network when you get the show is you're going to watch the spots. Otherwise you couldn't get the show on an ad-supported basis. Any time you skip a commercial or watch the button you're actually stealing the programming." -Jamie Kellner chairman and CEO of Turner Broadcasting
"It's weird that the higher than thou croud always acts like TV is such a monster while they wile away their hours just as mindlessly. Funny that way..."
Maybe because we aren't "mindlessly" using our time.
Sitting in front of a box that prompts you when to laugh (laughtracks), what to buy (commercials), how to feel (fox news) is completely different than posting your OWN opinions on topics, reading about those topics, interacting with other people, and taking an active role in what is entertaining you and entertaining others.
Comapring TV to slashdot or any of your other examples is at best misguided and at worst stupid.
Adult Swim does this on their "Bumps" in between commercial breaks and the programming, so even in fast forward you can still see what they are writing (all text) fortunately they are amusing and not advertising.
BTW, regarding one of your other posts, I own an old 3ware 6410, which you allege is software RAID, and I distinctly remember going into its BIOS to create and initialize its RAID5 array."
Correct, you setup the array in the BIOS, but it will not build or rebuild the array until the OS is booted and the driver is loaded:
From the user manual of he 7000-8000 user guide (pdf) found on page 42:
11 Press F8 to save your configuration and reboot the system. The rebuild will start within a few minutes of the 3ware driver loading, once the operating system has booted.
I know this is from a later model, but I am certain it is the same way for your controller, they didn't start hardware RAID until the 9000 series.. (I have talked with their engineers extensively and worked with their hardware in real life situations for years).
I'm sorry but I won't be spending any time pouring over code to find where they do the calucations, but that would be a great place to look, any coders out there wanna give it a try?
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"Well, I'm sorry to break it to you, but that's not at all what a scientific theory is. Really. Honestly. What you've got is a hypothesis, not a theory."
Right, right, I meant hypothesis, not Theory, hehe sorry bout that.
"philosophy of science and this is causing you a bit of confusion as to what is and isn't scientific and what the real power of science is; to dissern the likely from the unlikely."
Nope, understood, I try to publish something showing my attempts at proving my hypothesis and then it is up for critical review by peers who will look at it and either try to re-produce the experiments or come up with a alternate hypothesis/experiements that offers an alternate reason for what is happening...
"You can grow your own tobacco currently, but who does?"
While i do agree that pre-rolled MJ might be appealing to some, Tobacco is MUCH harder to cultivate and grow than marijuana.
Also since marijuana is a better high and negligible side effects when eaten, smoking would not be the preferred method of ingestion.
I believe even the Queen of England used to eat hashish candies back in the days when it was legal...
"Additionally, even if you do grow your own, we're talking about a significant investment (approx $1k for a decent system to grow a set of clones, plus the space to do so; cheaper than now since you wouldn't need to conceal it) and your quality will still vary wildly initially as a "hobbyist"."
Um, no, I used to, um, know "someone" who grew plants in his closet when he was younger, the entire setup from lights to growing equipment (buckets, soil, fertilizer, etc) cost a total of about 100 bucks (if that). He was able to produce 5-6 full plants which yielded about half a pound or more. This was actually less than some of his friends who had better success (since they had done it a few times and knew how to fully exploit the growth cycle).
Booze is only sinful if not used in moderation. Jesus didn't prohibit the drinking of wine (mormons will argue about this tho) and infact made it available, looking to the teachings of solomon you see that drinking is one of man's pleasures, but drunkeness to excess (alcoholism) is one of man's downfalls (stumbling blocks).
"Woah, slow down. You've got the cart before the horse there. You're coming up with descriptions of how something works before you've even shown that it exists"
:)
I thought in science that was called a "theory", and the electrical impulses that are interpreted by our brains is pretty commonly accepted science as well, I was just making an extrapolation.
I agree that there is no proof, and I could be wrong.
But when you say:"It's not unbelievable, it's just not very likely because there's no good evidence for it despite many very smart and dedicated people trying to find that evidence."
There are many examples of theories that had no good evidence despite many very smart and dedicated people trying to find that evidence, that later did find evidence.
What it sounds like is just dismisal on your part instead of truely trying to "disprove" anything. Like your example above about the 100 participants, that is a great test of statistics, but hardly one that is sound enough to disprove telepathy...
Just give all theories equal chance before insisting that the earth is flat... I like Randi's webpage myself because it does put a critical thinking face towards mysticism and blind faith.
Not that i think it isn't possible, but it is fun to see what IS possible. Who said when every other possibility has been disproven then the only remaining explanation has to be the answer no matter how outlandish? (something along those lines...)
I'm not trying to flame you here, sorry if it comes off like that...
I know my original post was lacking on any substance and sounded like pure belief, but i'm glad to see it sparked some sort of discussion on the topic, unfortunately I posted late in the afternoon and was on my way out the door headed home, otherwise I would have followed up in some sort of detail.
I found a way to counter act this, just have enough movies in your queue that you want to watach, I keep a written note (.txt file) of movies I want to see and then only put 3 in my queue, when i have those 3 movies I put 3 more, and so on.
So they never have a chance to send me the "kinda want to see" movies because they aren't listed in my queue.
I found this is also a great way to get the new releases the week of their release, typically they will say "long wait" but if it is the ONLY movie in your queue then i find I usually get it within a day or 2 of release...
"How many times have you or your wife thought about different things at the same time of day while being miles apart? Probably more than 99.9% of the time. But those times are not interesting, so you don't note it or remember it. But the other 0.1%"
I don't think that because 99.9% of the time we are not thinking the same thing, that this "proves" that 0.1% of the time we could be.. i'm not saying we are all perma linked telepathically (which your example seems to try and prove) but I do believe we have the ability to sense other people's thoughts...
I've always thought of it as radio stations, we perceive everything as electrical impulses that our brain interprets, whose to say that some people can pick up on other people's impulses, or that some people might broadcast a little stronger than others... like driving through the country and getting different channels...
It's common for women who live in the same house to start syncronizing their periods, wouldn't it be reasonable to think that a family (that share genes and beliefs) to have thought patterns similar to each other, and if so be able to better "receive" these "thoughts".
I have seen articles on slashdot already that talk about causing people to receive feelings via brain implants, by sending small electrical impulses.. why is it so unbelievable that the same type of impulses can radiate out of one person's mind and interact or influence anothers?
There are many times where my daughter says something that I am thinking or vice versa, or someone is searching for a word and it pops into my head, or my wife and I thought about something at the same time of day (within minutes of each other) but being miles apart.
Too many times to be coincidence has things like this happened. But trying to force it never has produced any results...
It will be interesting to see if this experiment can "prove" anything...
"Actually, the smp version of quake3 I was running was not the server... on Mac OS X, with smp enabled I got better fps even when playing on other servers."
Right, but what i'm saying is that they have always worked extensively on the server side of their engine after releasing their games, and because of this were one of the first to have a SMP capable server.
IIRC they had the smp version of the server out a while before they released SMP for the client...
"hey, even Quake 3 had support for SMP, back in 2001."
Yah but that is because they built it into the server side of things. Id has always been good about supporting the user based server hosting community...
Not really, maximizing shareholder value often times misses the big picture and does the opposite, the first focus should be the product/customers then employees. If you do this the share holder value will take care of itself...
Allow me to make a minor edit:
s/God/FSM/
There... that's better. Spoken like a true member of Slashdot.
"How do know when it is God trying to tell you what to do and when it is Satan?"
Because Satan's desires oppose that of God's, if you read his writings then you will be able to tell the difference.
"Games don't make use of the second core? Who the fuck is writing these things!? Shouldn't Windows be able to make it use the other core for parallel tasks?"
Don't blame Microsoft, blame whoever made the game. Desktop dual core processors are a relatively new beast though, so it makes sense that the current gen of games have little if any support for dual cores..
"nor could one perceptually distinguish any frame rates above 50fps -- most people still run their monitors at 60Hz."
Well that's just not true, Doom3 was locked at 60 FPS, and I was getting 60 FPS, and I could definitely notice a the flicker, bugged me really bad.
I can't look at any monitor refrewsh rate below 75 without seeing a flicker.
"ull game = 40-50 bucks paying 20 bucks for half a game sounds about right to me!"
Full game = 20-30 hours of game play (sometimes more)
6 hours of game play != half a game...
"You completed Prey in 4 hours? And I thought Q4 was bad with it's miniscule 6 hours of gameplay!"
There are usually these settings you can change that make the game longer, I think they call them "difficulty".
The higher you set this the longer the game will take, although your mouse and keyboard might not survive the repeated bashing and trips across the room into a wall...YMMMV (your mouse milage might vary)
When cooking it is necessary to have the sharpest knives you can because this (counter-intuitively) is actually safer.
IF you had a knife with a single atom edge, how long would that last, and how would you re-sharpen it?
I started thinking about this in regards to cooking but for any application how would you keep this sharp?
1 atom? wouldn't that be sheared off during the first use?
I would assume a pyramid form, 1 atom supported by 2 or 3 underneath it and those supported by 6 and so on, even up to 5000 atoms would be "sharp" but how would you ever get back to 1?
I discussed this same Idea with a friend a few months back, an alternative to the child post would be if you are killed you become one of the undead and hunt down the remaining "survivors".
Instead of different "zones" which have the same game play going on, each zone could be in a different state of time after the "plague" started. Once all the "survivors" were dead you would re-start the zone.
"You maintain that we could have productive addicts, I tend to disagree. Sure there might be functional alcoholics, and even coke heads, but I suspect that the majority of these groups are non-productive. Extrapolate to heroine, and I have hard time believing that people would be tying off in the bathroom of their 9-5."
Well the truth is there ARE functional drug addicts right now, you just don't know about it because it is illegal, I can persoanlly attest to many friends I know of who regularly use and hold down steady well paying jobs. Of course there is always the threat of jail time which will take these productive members out of society.
When you treat drug addiction as a choice or disease instead of a criminal activity, the "addicts" have a way to become rehabilitated and the "functional users" won't be sent to prisions.
"Contrary to the PSA commercials drugs aren't that expensive. You can buy crack for less than a pack of cigarettes, and college students are known to consume large quantities of weed. Yet crackheads are still known to steal to feed their habit. "
The fallacy there is twofold, one, crack might be cheap but what you are talking about is a 20-40 minute high for 10 bucks, you can see that this will rapidly become expensive.
If you can buy an Oz of coke for 20 bucks that would last people days and if it didn't you can see the rehabilitation argument above.
Also with pure cheap drugs you wouldn't NEED to buy crack because all you have is 10 bucks, you could afford the high end coke, you wouldn't need to smoke marijuana, you could eat it (like they used to with hash chocolates at the turn of the century), you wouldn't NEED to slam herion because that is the cheapest way of getting high, you could afford to drink it as tea (a common easy way to ingest opium, which tastes pretty good with sugar and cream) or in other "energy/health" drinks.
People buy herion in 10 dollar ballons, and crack vials because they can't afford the good shit, because drugs are illegal.
The second part is once the drugs are legalized you can produce your own drugs, opium is quite easy to grow and somewhat easy to harvest, even more so with Pot. Cocaine not so much, but who would need to at the prices that it would be available.
"They'd say you're stealing from ABC by watching the show and not the commercials."
Yah can you imagine such a thing?
"Because of the ad skips.... It's theft. Your contract with the network when you get the show is you're going to watch the spots. Otherwise you couldn't get the show on an ad-supported basis. Any time you skip a commercial or watch the button you're actually stealing the programming." -Jamie Kellner chairman and CEO of Turner Broadcasting
That's just not fair, he never did anything to anybody!
"It's weird that the higher than thou croud always acts like TV is such a monster while they wile away their hours just as mindlessly. Funny that way..."
Maybe because we aren't "mindlessly" using our time.
Sitting in front of a box that prompts you when to laugh (laughtracks), what to buy (commercials), how to feel (fox news) is completely different than posting your OWN opinions on topics, reading about those topics, interacting with other people, and taking an active role in what is entertaining you and entertaining others.
Comapring TV to slashdot or any of your other examples is at best misguided and at worst stupid.
Adult Swim does this on their "Bumps" in between commercial breaks and the programming, so even in fast forward you can still see what they are writing (all text) fortunately they are amusing and not advertising.
Should have read "one drive per controller port".
BTW, regarding one of your other posts, I own an old 3ware 6410, which you allege is software RAID, and I distinctly remember going into its BIOS to create and initialize its RAID5 array."
t h=/download/Escalade7000Series/7.7.1/3w-xxxx.tgz
Correct, you setup the array in the BIOS, but it will not build or rebuild the array until the OS is booted and the driver is loaded:
From the user manual of he 7000-8000 user guide (pdf) found on page 42:
11 Press F8 to save your configuration and reboot the system.
The rebuild will start within a few minutes of the 3ware driver
loading, once the operating system has booted.
I know this is from a later model, but I am certain it is the same way for your controller, they didn't start hardware RAID until the 9000 series.. (I have talked with their engineers extensively and worked with their hardware in real life situations for years).
I'm sorry but I won't be spending any time pouring over code to find where they do the calucations, but that would be a great place to look, any coders out there wanna give it a try?
http://www.3ware.com/support/windows_agree.asp?pa
Just click agree to get the 7000 series linux 2.4 source.