It would actually take fewer American workers.. in general, America's output per hour work is outstandingly good, and the quality is higher than an Asian outsource so you get fewer defects and rejections. It's the costs that kill things. Wages, for one, but also just the cost of doing business. Red tape, actually having to dispose of pollution instead of slushing it out into a nearby stream. Y'know.. the stuff that keeps companies from actually literally killing society, that China kiiiinnnddaaaa doesn't really much care about or have.
But hell! When you can get 10 chinese workers for the price of one american worker, who cares if the american worker's output is twice that of the chinese worker? dollar for dollar, china's the way to go, right?
Something tells me that lady may have had an interest in one of those other restaurants, maybe one that needed a propane tank.
I refuse to believe that anybody is actually that goddamned stupid. The propane tank wouldn't explode. PHYSICS DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT.
Truth told she probably is that stupid... but that would make me too sad, so I'm sticking to her being a corrupt fucking shill looking to get a payout from someone else for getting red lobster to build a propane tank for them.:(
Actually the statistics are fine, there. Let's say the average rate over China's population is 5%. At a Foxconn factory, let's say that overall their employees have a 3% suicide rate -- except if you focus specifically on their production line workers, who have a 10% suicide rate, with the overall rate for the factory dropping because the rate among execs, secretaries and janitors is only 1%.
That would be striking, to have a group with similar economic conditions and the same work conditions and similar living conditions, etc.. to all share a significantly higher suicide rate than the population-at-large. It would also be striking to see what groups within the factory have lower rates.
actually you'd cross-contaminate.. what you want to do is put on all 3 pair, use the first, remove, use the second, leave on, turn the first inside out and replace on hand (so contaminated first and second pair sides are together), then remove first and second pair leaving only third pair for the last sheep
actually i suppose you'd not need the third pair on during the first 3 sheep, just two
As soon as the rest of the world has working weaponized railguns, and particularly the sorts of places we'd be firing railguns at.. you go ahead and say "I told you so".
People are critical of America all the time. Nobody gives a rat's ass about that.
It's when you start throwing around "Death to America!" that you suddenly gain unwanted attention. It's when your criticism of America constitutes a demand that viewers take up arms against America that you might hear a buzzing noise in the sky shortly followed by a kaboom.
Uh, no, they won't understand that. They won't even care that he was arrested. Wanna know the only bit of this they might hear and care about?
If the guy gets any protection at all -- if any effort is made to prevent him from being killed -- that, they will hear. That, they will be told is the US gov't supporting his video. And they'll riot again, because gosh they wanted to kill people anyway so here's a handy excuse.
Part of this probation terms was that he was not to use computers or the internet without prior approval from his parole officer.
If he was signing up for that website you talk about, he would have needed to get prior approval to do so -- that approval, I am imagining, would have included the necessity of reporting his user name if such a thing was necessary for the site.
By your jackassed logic, being black in the Antebellum South was incitement to commit murder, and it would be the black person's fault for being killed, not the white racists who strung them up by a tree.
You are assuming that 'control themselves' means 'do not kill people for stupid reasons'. Stop projecting your Western morality on them. That is bad, and wrong.
This little movie wasn't a flash point that made them so raging mad they lost control of themselves and went into a psychotic rage. They don't regret having acting badly, because the ones who acted badly do not see what they did as acting badly. They consider their actions to be righteous and not only justified, but MANDATORY.
Yes, not all Muslims feel that way. Some are sane. Many are not, and do wonderful things like stone rape VICTIMS to death.
If you want to begin to understand the Muslim world, first understand the Salem witch trials. That sort of thing goes on across the Muslim world -- people being executed based on unverified hearsay from a single person. Salem was an aberration. It's institutionalized in the Muslim world, it's just How Things Work.
Your concept of being in control would be being able to stop yourself from acting badly. Their concept of being in control would be the same, but their concept of acting badly would be to NOT murder people.
That's really the problem. And I feel real bad for the sane Muslims living in those countries, the ones who actually have respect for human life and freedoms, because those people DO still exist. They can't speak up. They can't speak out. Imagine, if you will, if the Westboro Baptists and the KKK were predominant across the US, maybe not a majority but certainly numerous. Imagine if the government was complicit. Imagine if both groups were not just hateful, but violently hateful (KKK today doesn't tend to commit violence, but they sure used to). Imagine if the government purported to agree and support actions against minorities and homosexuals because of some Divine Mandate -- and in reality the government was using these hateful crowds as a form of easy control over the population, an easy way to wield power over dissenting opinions.
That's really why this continues to happen. If someone were to say "Hey, maybe we shouldn't kill these people..", suddenly they are the blasphemer, suddenly it's their head on the block. If someone were to say "Hey, maybe the government shouldn't let this happen..", suddenly they are the blasphemer. If the government were to say "Hey, maybe you shouldn't do that guys, c'mon now", same deal. Ride the tiger.
And.. what problems did this particular brilliant jerk cause?
From TFA: " A growth company needs enablers, not disablers."
That's really the most damning thing said about him during his employment with TFA's author.
Basically, the author is complaining that somebody had the audacity to tell management that there were problems and flaws with their brilliant ideas. The Jerk wasn't being a jerk, he was approaching issues from a problems-first perspective. Management *hates* when people hear their wonderful new idea and tell them what's wrong with it, or that the whole thing won't ever accomplish what they want because of this or that, or that it won't work unless this or that is also done or stopped.
It's been my experience that management only likes to be treated like a 6th grade english class. There are no wrong answers, everyone's right, yippee feel-good-happytime!
Anecdote: I once worked for a place that spent in the neighborhood of 2.5mil to distribute a procedure across many employees that had previously been centralized. They had 3 people doing that job, and spent all that money so they could eliminate 2 of them. They were making ~40k/year. Even if you assume their total benefits ran the company 80k/year, that's still ~15 years until they hit a break-even point. And that's not taking into account that from the start, their distributed plan was executed poorly (despite employees having pointed out those problems before anything was installed) and the quality was decreased (as the employees who were forced to take on a new task weren't really able to perform it well, it was an industrial environment and there simply wasn't the time for them to dick around with something else and still keep pace with the machinery and other employees). That was also pointed out, and ignored.
The next year, despite more protestations that the idea wasn't going to work and calm explanations why, another 1.5mil was spent installing more crap that was slower and more unsafe and more prone to failure than the previous procedure.
Decision makers don't like being told their ideas aren't all brilliant, and when their decisions only affect the jobs done by those below them it's pretty simple to pass off any failure of their idea to work as a failure of the employees, not of the idea. Anyone who points out the problems with the idea is labeled a jerk.
In my book, it's the dingleberries with the inflated egos who are unable to take criticism of their ideas productively who are the jerks. But hey, what do I know. Wait, no, scratch that. What I know is irrelevant. All that matters is WHO I know, gosh I'm dumb!
Nope. No no no, nope. Don't even try to fucking backpedal. You're the one that brought the rest of the world into the race in comparison to the West, NOT me.
You said the West was receding from the forefront of human history and affairs of the world.
The forefront HAS TO BE OCCUPIED. There has to be someone or something there.
If it's not the West, then I ask you who? Who? Name any group of nations excluding any Western nation that would be supplanting the West as leading the forefront of human history and affairs of the world?
Yes, this is a big problem. Yes, this is bad. Yes, this shouldn't be happening.
Point me to the places that are overtaking the West with regards to human rights. Go ahead and try. PROTIP: Nowhere that isn't Western is even trying to make any improvements.
I WAS watching the news during Clinton, and the news was NOT hard on him. The news was laughing about it. The news said it was silly to go after Clinton for doing what European leaders do all the time, gosh, it's just a blowjob.
Alternatively, GW was called a monkey incessantly.
People who say the media has a liberal bias aren't making that up. It does. Realistically, it doesn't matter, but it's there.
I would avoid bringing Helen Thomas's comments into anything at all. The poor woman's age has caught her and her mind is not and has not been what it once was, and to throw her words around is nothing but making a mockery of her senility.
Right. I'll start believing that as soon as the also-rans start having less totalitarian regimes.
The West isn't receding from anything. The FOREFRONT is receding. The West is still ahead. Unless you somehow believe that China or Brasil or who the fuck ever else is LESS invasive and MORE respectful of human rights. Which I mean, my man, if that's what you think more power to you, feel free to move there and experience for yourself how much better life is in the West.
I never said that NOBODY EVER died after being struck with a taser. You're the idiot making that claim.
You're also the idiot making the claim that water cannons and batons don't kill people. Try and back that one up.
There is NO option available that is completely non-lethal. There have been and continue to be many attempts to find LESS lethal methods and devices. So far, all we've got are a handful of options that MAY kill, with some having a greater chance of killing or causing permanent injury. Among those options, picking the one that is least likely to kill or cause permanent injury is proper. I think even your dim-witted fucking rat brain can understand that.
Now go do some actual fucking research on the available less lethal methods and devices, actually fucking reading about how they work and the effects they have, and tell me that water hoses and batons and shields kill and harm less than a taser.
Regardless, your bringing tasers into the conversation merely shows how little thought you actually give to the matter, and that you are driven by dumb emotion not fact. Tasers are fucking awful at crowd control. Tasers are a tool for dealing with a single or, at best, very small number of people. Water cannons, and this microwave device, are tools for dealing with large crowds. Different situations, different tools and techniques. There is no 100% safe tool or technique, yet you decry the quest to develop safer methods as evil simply because you are ignorant of the dangers of other tools and techniques. Newsflash bucko, just because you're dumb doesn't mean you're right.
That non-violent prick was fighting with the people trying to end his disruption and trespass. Don't listen to the words in his mouth, because they are deception. He wanted to be, and made sure he was, tased.
A taser is NOT a firearm replacement. A firearm is only to be used lethally. You shoot someone only to kill them, only when there is risk that they will kill you or others. Period. A taser is a baton replacement. Yes, some people die after being hit with a taser. People die when being hit with batons as well, and the risk of long-term injury and death is greater with a baton or any other physical violence than with a taser.
Pepper-spraying seated protesters is objectionable, but what is also objectionable is seated protesters obstructing my right to go from Point A to Point B. That's simply a situation where idiots need to learn to stop being idiots, the idiots being BOTH the protestors forcing the situation and the police attempting to resolve it.
Fuck, a taser as a firearm replacement.. how idiotic. You are aware that not everyone hit with a taser goes down? If someone comes at you with a knife, or draws down on you with a gun, do you want something that will probably stop them? Fuck. No. They have homicidal intentions, and like it or not, they get shot. Firearms are a response to an immediate lethal threat. Tasers are useless for that task.
You underestimate the number of ways already available that will cause excruciating pain without leaving detectable marks. One more device isn't going to suddenly allow clandestine torture. We can do that already.
You are grossly underestimating the potential harm caused by large volumes of water moving at great velocity.
It might "just push you down". It might rupture your eye. It might break a rib.
And a riot shield.. yeah, nobody's ever been hurt by being physically struck with a hard object before, that's for damn sure. You sir are spot-on. Hey, while we're at it, why don't you rage against the use of tasers and advocate that police instead wrestle or use batons? That's certainly the lower-risk alternative, right? Right? HURRRR!
shores of Tripoli refers to US *interference*? Are you fucking kidding? What sort of revisionist islamo-centric history pipe are you smoking?
You fucking idiot. America attacked the Barbary pirates for the same goddamned reason we launched into the War of 1812. American vessels at sea were being captured, American sailors were being captured, and shit was not right. They were treated no better nor worse than any other aggressor. Any treaty made with them was less a treaty and more -- actually, not just more, it was ENTIRELY nothing but a protection racket.
You've got your shit ALL wrong, son. It was the Barbary states who were interfering with the *United States*, as well as much of Europe, because the Barbary states were strong and their victims were too weak or preoccupied to do anything about it except hand them money. Well, except for the US, who decided to say Fuck That And Fuck You.
Yeah. WE were victimized, BY the North Africans. Not the other way around.
You can argue the tables have turned, but don't fucking misrepresent history. There's not even any question or different take on this particular point of historical significance, there's only what happened.
I worked briefly with a 19 year old girl who had never heard of: David Bowie, Neil Young, Sid Vicious, James Brown, Pearl Jam, Janis Joplin, or Run DMC.
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It would actually take fewer American workers.. in general, America's output per hour work is outstandingly good, and the quality is higher than an Asian outsource so you get fewer defects and rejections.
It's the costs that kill things. Wages, for one, but also just the cost of doing business. Red tape, actually having to dispose of pollution instead of slushing it out into a nearby stream. Y'know.. the stuff that keeps companies from actually literally killing society, that China kiiiinnnddaaaa doesn't really much care about or have.
But hell! When you can get 10 chinese workers for the price of one american worker, who cares if the american worker's output is twice that of the chinese worker? dollar for dollar, china's the way to go, right?
Something tells me that lady may have had an interest in one of those other restaurants, maybe one that needed a propane tank.
I refuse to believe that anybody is actually that goddamned stupid. The propane tank wouldn't explode. PHYSICS DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT.
Truth told she probably is that stupid... but that would make me too sad, so I'm sticking to her being a corrupt fucking shill looking to get a payout from someone else for getting red lobster to build a propane tank for them. :(
Actually the statistics are fine, there. Let's say the average rate over China's population is 5%. At a Foxconn factory, let's say that overall their employees have a 3% suicide rate -- except if you focus specifically on their production line workers, who have a 10% suicide rate, with the overall rate for the factory dropping because the rate among execs, secretaries and janitors is only 1%.
That would be striking, to have a group with similar economic conditions and the same work conditions and similar living conditions, etc.. to all share a significantly higher suicide rate than the population-at-large. It would also be striking to see what groups within the factory have lower rates.
Anyway, all irrelevant, but interesting
actually you'd cross-contaminate.. what you want to do is put on all 3 pair, use the first, remove, use the second, leave on, turn the first inside out and replace on hand (so contaminated first and second pair sides are together), then remove first and second pair leaving only third pair for the last sheep
actually i suppose you'd not need the third pair on during the first 3 sheep, just two
That's... That's not how physics works at all.
As soon as the rest of the world has working weaponized railguns, and particularly the sorts of places we'd be firing railguns at.. you go ahead and say "I told you so".
But please, don't hold your breath.
People are critical of America all the time. Nobody gives a rat's ass about that.
It's when you start throwing around "Death to America!" that you suddenly gain unwanted attention. It's when your criticism of America constitutes a demand that viewers take up arms against America that you might hear a buzzing noise in the sky shortly followed by a kaboom.
Uh, no, they won't understand that. They won't even care that he was arrested. Wanna know the only bit of this they might hear and care about?
If the guy gets any protection at all -- if any effort is made to prevent him from being killed -- that, they will hear. That, they will be told is the US gov't supporting his video. And they'll riot again, because gosh they wanted to kill people anyway so here's a handy excuse.
Part of this probation terms was that he was not to use computers or the internet without prior approval from his parole officer.
If he was signing up for that website you talk about, he would have needed to get prior approval to do so -- that approval, I am imagining, would have included the necessity of reporting his user name if such a thing was necessary for the site.
By your jackassed logic, being black in the Antebellum South was incitement to commit murder, and it would be the black person's fault for being killed, not the white racists who strung them up by a tree.
NOPE! Haha, you're an idiot, jesus fucking christ. The fuck, I hope you're just a poor troll and not HONESTLY this goddamned stupid.
I sadly suspect you are actually this goddamned stupid.
QUICK! Better go kill someone and blame it on me insulting you! Then figure out how to put the blame on me! GLWT
That is them controlling themselves.
You are assuming that 'control themselves' means 'do not kill people for stupid reasons'. Stop projecting your Western morality on them. That is bad, and wrong.
This little movie wasn't a flash point that made them so raging mad they lost control of themselves and went into a psychotic rage. They don't regret having acting badly, because the ones who acted badly do not see what they did as acting badly. They consider their actions to be righteous and not only justified, but MANDATORY.
Yes, not all Muslims feel that way. Some are sane. Many are not, and do wonderful things like stone rape VICTIMS to death.
If you want to begin to understand the Muslim world, first understand the Salem witch trials. That sort of thing goes on across the Muslim world -- people being executed based on unverified hearsay from a single person. Salem was an aberration. It's institutionalized in the Muslim world, it's just How Things Work.
Your concept of being in control would be being able to stop yourself from acting badly. Their concept of being in control would be the same, but their concept of acting badly would be to NOT murder people.
That's really the problem. And I feel real bad for the sane Muslims living in those countries, the ones who actually have respect for human life and freedoms, because those people DO still exist. They can't speak up. They can't speak out. Imagine, if you will, if the Westboro Baptists and the KKK were predominant across the US, maybe not a majority but certainly numerous. Imagine if the government was complicit. Imagine if both groups were not just hateful, but violently hateful (KKK today doesn't tend to commit violence, but they sure used to). Imagine if the government purported to agree and support actions against minorities and homosexuals because of some Divine Mandate -- and in reality the government was using these hateful crowds as a form of easy control over the population, an easy way to wield power over dissenting opinions.
That's really why this continues to happen. If someone were to say "Hey, maybe we shouldn't kill these people..", suddenly they are the blasphemer, suddenly it's their head on the block. If someone were to say "Hey, maybe the government shouldn't let this happen..", suddenly they are the blasphemer. If the government were to say "Hey, maybe you shouldn't do that guys, c'mon now", same deal. Ride the tiger.
Maybe productivity, I'll grant you that, but it's been my experience that BJs do nothing but raise my.. er.. morale.
And.. what problems did this particular brilliant jerk cause?
From TFA: " A growth company needs enablers, not disablers."
That's really the most damning thing said about him during his employment with TFA's author.
Basically, the author is complaining that somebody had the audacity to tell management that there were problems and flaws with their brilliant ideas. The Jerk wasn't being a jerk, he was approaching issues from a problems-first perspective. Management *hates* when people hear their wonderful new idea and tell them what's wrong with it, or that the whole thing won't ever accomplish what they want because of this or that, or that it won't work unless this or that is also done or stopped.
It's been my experience that management only likes to be treated like a 6th grade english class. There are no wrong answers, everyone's right, yippee feel-good-happytime!
Anecdote: I once worked for a place that spent in the neighborhood of 2.5mil to distribute a procedure across many employees that had previously been centralized. They had 3 people doing that job, and spent all that money so they could eliminate 2 of them. They were making ~40k/year. Even if you assume their total benefits ran the company 80k/year, that's still ~15 years until they hit a break-even point. And that's not taking into account that from the start, their distributed plan was executed poorly (despite employees having pointed out those problems before anything was installed) and the quality was decreased (as the employees who were forced to take on a new task weren't really able to perform it well, it was an industrial environment and there simply wasn't the time for them to dick around with something else and still keep pace with the machinery and other employees). That was also pointed out, and ignored.
The next year, despite more protestations that the idea wasn't going to work and calm explanations why, another 1.5mil was spent installing more crap that was slower and more unsafe and more prone to failure than the previous procedure.
Decision makers don't like being told their ideas aren't all brilliant, and when their decisions only affect the jobs done by those below them it's pretty simple to pass off any failure of their idea to work as a failure of the employees, not of the idea. Anyone who points out the problems with the idea is labeled a jerk.
In my book, it's the dingleberries with the inflated egos who are unable to take criticism of their ideas productively who are the jerks. But hey, what do I know. Wait, no, scratch that. What I know is irrelevant. All that matters is WHO I know, gosh I'm dumb!
*MOST* places with great beaches have a shit economy. I don't understand it exactly but suspect the two may be related..
Nope. No no no, nope. Don't even try to fucking backpedal. You're the one that brought the rest of the world into the race in comparison to the West, NOT me.
You said the West was receding from the forefront of human history and affairs of the world.
The forefront HAS TO BE OCCUPIED. There has to be someone or something there.
If it's not the West, then I ask you who? Who? Name any group of nations excluding any Western nation that would be supplanting the West as leading the forefront of human history and affairs of the world?
Yes, this is a big problem. Yes, this is bad. Yes, this shouldn't be happening.
Point me to the places that are overtaking the West with regards to human rights. Go ahead and try. PROTIP: Nowhere that isn't Western is even trying to make any improvements.
I WAS watching the news during Clinton, and the news was NOT hard on him. The news was laughing about it. The news said it was silly to go after Clinton for doing what European leaders do all the time, gosh, it's just a blowjob.
Alternatively, GW was called a monkey incessantly.
People who say the media has a liberal bias aren't making that up. It does. Realistically, it doesn't matter, but it's there.
I would avoid bringing Helen Thomas's comments into anything at all. The poor woman's age has caught her and her mind is not and has not been what it once was, and to throw her words around is nothing but making a mockery of her senility.
Right. I'll start believing that as soon as the also-rans start having less totalitarian regimes.
The West isn't receding from anything. The FOREFRONT is receding. The West is still ahead. Unless you somehow believe that China or Brasil or who the fuck ever else is LESS invasive and MORE respectful of human rights. Which I mean, my man, if that's what you think more power to you, feel free to move there and experience for yourself how much better life is in the West.
I never said that NOBODY EVER died after being struck with a taser. You're the idiot making that claim.
You're also the idiot making the claim that water cannons and batons don't kill people. Try and back that one up.
There is NO option available that is completely non-lethal. There have been and continue to be many attempts to find LESS lethal methods and devices. So far, all we've got are a handful of options that MAY kill, with some having a greater chance of killing or causing permanent injury. Among those options, picking the one that is least likely to kill or cause permanent injury is proper. I think even your dim-witted fucking rat brain can understand that.
Now go do some actual fucking research on the available less lethal methods and devices, actually fucking reading about how they work and the effects they have, and tell me that water hoses and batons and shields kill and harm less than a taser.
Jesus fucking christ even a simple wikipedia search should show you that water cannons aren't just a big squirt gun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_cannon#Safety
Regardless, your bringing tasers into the conversation merely shows how little thought you actually give to the matter, and that you are driven by dumb emotion not fact. Tasers are fucking awful at crowd control. Tasers are a tool for dealing with a single or, at best, very small number of people. Water cannons, and this microwave device, are tools for dealing with large crowds. Different situations, different tools and techniques. There is no 100% safe tool or technique, yet you decry the quest to develop safer methods as evil simply because you are ignorant of the dangers of other tools and techniques. Newsflash bucko, just because you're dumb doesn't mean you're right.
That non-violent prick was fighting with the people trying to end his disruption and trespass. Don't listen to the words in his mouth, because they are deception. He wanted to be, and made sure he was, tased.
A taser is NOT a firearm replacement. A firearm is only to be used lethally. You shoot someone only to kill them, only when there is risk that they will kill you or others. Period. A taser is a baton replacement. Yes, some people die after being hit with a taser. People die when being hit with batons as well, and the risk of long-term injury and death is greater with a baton or any other physical violence than with a taser.
Pepper-spraying seated protesters is objectionable, but what is also objectionable is seated protesters obstructing my right to go from Point A to Point B. That's simply a situation where idiots need to learn to stop being idiots, the idiots being BOTH the protestors forcing the situation and the police attempting to resolve it.
Fuck, a taser as a firearm replacement.. how idiotic. You are aware that not everyone hit with a taser goes down? If someone comes at you with a knife, or draws down on you with a gun, do you want something that will probably stop them? Fuck. No. They have homicidal intentions, and like it or not, they get shot. Firearms are a response to an immediate lethal threat. Tasers are useless for that task.
You underestimate the number of ways already available that will cause excruciating pain without leaving detectable marks. One more device isn't going to suddenly allow clandestine torture. We can do that already.
You are grossly underestimating the potential harm caused by large volumes of water moving at great velocity.
It might "just push you down". It might rupture your eye. It might break a rib.
And a riot shield.. yeah, nobody's ever been hurt by being physically struck with a hard object before, that's for damn sure. You sir are spot-on. Hey, while we're at it, why don't you rage against the use of tasers and advocate that police instead wrestle or use batons? That's certainly the lower-risk alternative, right? Right? HURRRR!
shores of Tripoli refers to US *interference*? Are you fucking kidding? What sort of revisionist islamo-centric history pipe are you smoking?
You fucking idiot. America attacked the Barbary pirates for the same goddamned reason we launched into the War of 1812. American vessels at sea were being captured, American sailors were being captured, and shit was not right. They were treated no better nor worse than any other aggressor. Any treaty made with them was less a treaty and more -- actually, not just more, it was ENTIRELY nothing but a protection racket.
You've got your shit ALL wrong, son. It was the Barbary states who were interfering with the *United States*, as well as much of Europe, because the Barbary states were strong and their victims were too weak or preoccupied to do anything about it except hand them money. Well, except for the US, who decided to say Fuck That And Fuck You.
Yeah. WE were victimized, BY the North Africans. Not the other way around.
You can argue the tables have turned, but don't fucking misrepresent history. There's not even any question or different take on this particular point of historical significance, there's only what happened.
There's an old movie by that name.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055830/
I worked briefly with a 19 year old girl who had never heard of: David Bowie, Neil Young, Sid Vicious, James Brown, Pearl Jam, Janis Joplin, or Run DMC.
I very nearly wept.