Personally I think templating is wrong. That's right you heard me, it's wrong. I have never used a templating language that didn't have constructs like if-then and loops. They are simply a new language you learn.
I think something like swing is a better idea. Everything is code, it's easy to read, easy to program. There are lots of toolkits to put swing like programming for the web and I always reccomend people use those instead of smarty or other templating systems.
"A lot of people have mentioned the problems of which GUI these companies would write applications for. What if someone were to create wrapper around both KDE and Gnome GUI libraries that applications could use, and would detect which GUI was currently being used. That way, applications that these companies make could work no matter which GUI a user prefers."
You mean like swing, swt, wxwindows, fox, qt, fltk and a dozen other toolkits?
"See, the problem is that the very idea of making a "GNOME application" or a "KDE application" is WRONG!"
That's a stupid and in the end useless statement to make. So unless you have a way to actually punish people for working on a desktop you disaprove of nothing can be done about it.
Having said that every major distribution, every single one, comes with gnome as default. There is a default desktop and it's gnome. KDE is there for people that like it and every major distro includes it for those that prefer KDE. That's the way things are, that's the way things should be.
I disagree. By competing with itself linux will get stronger. It will also weed out the less capable and less inventive programmers like yourself. What will remain will be the programmers that can deal with complex systems and produce better code.
The problem is that it's not in the interest of companies to follow these standards. There was the LSD but nobody really followed that. RPM is supposedly a standard but the RPMs differ between Suse and Redhat.
Finally there is already several package systems including zeroinstall and autopackage that address this problem, why start another one. For that matter why everybody doesn't adapt dpkg and apt I will never know.
You reap just what you sow. I can't wait till people like you are dead or dying of some aweful disease unleashed upon you by the billions of enemies you have created. On that day I will do a little jig, hell maybe I will hand out some candy.
The license itself is prorietary. As for the documentation your use of the weasel words "seems to be" is aporpos. It "seems to be" well documented but in actuality it's not well documented. Nice use of weasel words by the way, are you a professional astro turfer?
In any case the MS proprietary format is patented, this means that MS can sue anybody who not only implements it but actually saves files in their format from another program. Of course MS probably won't sue, they will fund another company to sue just like they did with SCO.
I never said jail, I said lose their jobs. Next time you should read the posts you are replying to.
P.S it's amazing how those liberals went to jail trying to protect the identity of scooter libby and carl rove while those two exposed the identity of a CIA agent huh? I guess it's better to try and destroy your critics then to safeguard the anonymity of CIA agents at least if you are republican.
Once again any faults with the import and export of proprietary, poorly documented, patent protected and non licensable formats is not the fault of the open office developers. They have done the best they can even though they have all risked being sued or even jailed under the DMCA.
Why don't you complain to Microsoft? Maybe they can support OO format, after all one of their largest customers is asking for it.
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Who? You mean the NY times reporter that went to jail to protect somebody high in the white house? You mean that NY times?
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"In America, you can go on television and air criticisms of Republican, Christian or any other viewpoints; and you may get a debate or -at worse- a reprimand."
Actually in America if you stridently critisize republicans you can lose your job. Especially if your job is in the media, or in education or the govt. One the American taleban targets you and the talking heads on fox news and talk radio start braying your job is on the chopping block.
The fact that OO is unable to import and export undocumented file types protected by patents and other intellectual property is not their fault. You need to take this up with Microsoft. Perhaps they could support the OASIS standard in their product, I hear some of their customers have been asking for it.
Please people when you are describing an organization that hires such idiots and puts them in positions of reponsibility the least you can do is name the company so we can all make sure we don't have stock in such a stupid company.
"As for the mass grave - there isn't a power on Earth that could achieve the genocide you so sociopathically wish to inflict on an entire people."
It would be easy with germ warfare. Even with chemical warfare it would be easy. Let's hope Al-Quada gets some chemical or biological agents if for no other reason then to get rid of people like you.
"History is written by the winners. The only people guilty of "war crimes" are losers - by definition."
I guess we will find out who wirtes the history of 9/11 in the end huh. It's every man for himself now. It will be interesting to see how the US reacts now that the people it kills for fun and profit ( I mean to further it's interest) are fighting back using unconventional means.
I used to feel sorry for the dead americans in NY but after reading your posts I now realize that it's just muslims furthering their own interests and that there is no such thing as wrong or right.
"Because we give aid to place swhere we have NO OBLIGATION TO DO SO."
You give a hell of a lot less (percentage wise) then everybody else. Istead of being ashamed of being so stingy and selfish you seem to be proud of it. Nobody is OBLIGATED to give anything but the nice and good people of the world give a lot more then you do.
It's also important who you give to, why and how. Most of your money goes to israel who really doesn't need it all that much. Most of your money should go to hungry people don't you think?
Get this through your head. America does not deserve praise for what pathetic little it gives, especially when all that giving goes to US corporations, arms merchants and countries that don't need it but wield a lot of political clout.
You should be ashamed at the way your country is acting, not proud. There is nothing to be proud of there. You sound a like a kid who is proud of the booger he just picked out of his nose and can't understand why nobody else thinks it's much of an accomplishment.
You are right. Corporations and by extension capitalism is an inherently evil system.
By Evil I am using the biblical definition. Capitalism is simply the seven deadly sins put into practice. It's based on greed and love of money (the root of all evil according to God) and sustains itself by consuming natural resources faster then they can be regenerated.
This is the typical American response. Apparently Americans believe everybody in africa is starving, has no water and is living outside.
Let me be the first one to tell you that there are people in africa who have have houses, clean water and food. Furthermore there are people in America who have no clean water, no food and live outside.
So people in Africa need computers, they need industry, they need commerce, they need an economy. WIthout those they will never get enough food for everybody. Of course not everybody will be fed, just like in America not everybody is fed, but you can't wait till everybody has enough food to start your economy.
"Try replying to the right post. I didn't say RMS needed a shower. I was simply agreeing with the parent of my reply about the hero worship here."
You were agreeing with somebody who said RMS needed a shower.
"As another reply to my post put it, there is a difference between appreciating someone's accomplishments and worshiping them."
WOW, What a profound statement to make. Too bad nobody is actually worshiping anybody huh? Is that fun? So is there a church of RMS someplace where people meet every sunday to hold RMS worship services? No? I guess you are full of shit then huh?
"As for my accomplishments, I'm quite satisfied with them both professionally and personally. Maybe that's why I can admire others without worshiping them."
I am waiting for your list, I want to compare to linus and RMS and see how it stacks up.
That license is to prevent people from writing open source code. If you look at their code and then code open source they have an automatic lawsuit waiting for you.
I would like to see MS grant a blanket patent and copyright vaiver to anybody who reads their code, until then you can simply presume it's a trap and that you should not walk into it.
Well to clarify your analogy it actually goes like this.
YOu decide to stop the wife beater, you go in and catch him, when his children try to stop you, you kill them, when his friends try to stop you you kill them too. Then you decide that he has a pretty decent house and take a room for yourself, nobody is allowed in there except you, if anybody tries you kill them. You also decide that his daughter is cute (her name is OIL) and decide that you want some of that yourself so you start raping her too.
You don't turn over the wife beater to the police, you keep him locked up in a secret location, you are now keeping residence at his house and killing anybody who tries to oust you, you tell his children what to do and when, you rape his daughter regularly.
Really? Have you ever met RMS? Does he really need a shower?
Maybe some people try to make themselves feel better about themselves by calling other people dirty and smelly hippies especially when they stack their life time of non achievement against somebody who they disagree with vehemently.
So let's start. Make a column with your achievements and make another with RMS or Linus. Afterwards go take a shower and pretend you are cleaner then somebody you never met. OK.
"I was thinking about getting a dog but then I didn't because my apartment is too small" "then I thought to myself, I am living in a place I wouldn't let a dog live in!".
Isn't it funny. We are telling some guy not to enter our country lest he be arrested and yet we are perfectly willing to live here ourselves.
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Personally I think templating is wrong. That's right you heard me, it's wrong. I have never used a templating language that didn't have constructs like if-then and loops. They are simply a new language you learn.
I think something like swing is a better idea. Everything is code, it's easy to read, easy to program. There are lots of toolkits to put swing like programming for the web and I always reccomend people use those instead of smarty or other templating systems.
"A lot of people have mentioned the problems of which GUI these companies would write applications for. What if someone were to create wrapper around both KDE and Gnome GUI libraries that applications could use, and would detect which GUI was currently being used. That way, applications that these companies make could work no matter which GUI a user prefers."
You mean like swing, swt, wxwindows, fox, qt, fltk and a dozen other toolkits?
"See, the problem is that the very idea of making a "GNOME application" or a "KDE application" is WRONG!"
That's a stupid and in the end useless statement to make. So unless you have a way to actually punish people for working on a desktop you disaprove of nothing can be done about it.
Having said that every major distribution, every single one, comes with gnome as default. There is a default desktop and it's gnome. KDE is there for people that like it and every major distro includes it for those that prefer KDE. That's the way things are, that's the way things should be.
I disagree. By competing with itself linux will get stronger. It will also weed out the less capable and less inventive programmers like yourself. What will remain will be the programmers that can deal with complex systems and produce better code.
Survival of the fittest.
The problem is that it's not in the interest of companies to follow these standards. There was the LSD but nobody really followed that. RPM is supposedly a standard but the RPMs differ between Suse and Redhat.
Finally there is already several package systems including zeroinstall and autopackage that address this problem, why start another one. For that matter why everybody doesn't adapt dpkg and apt I will never know.
You reap just what you sow. I can't wait till people like you are dead or dying of some aweful disease unleashed upon you by the billions of enemies you have created. On that day I will do a little jig, hell maybe I will hand out some candy.
The license itself is prorietary. As for the documentation your use of the weasel words "seems to be" is aporpos. It "seems to be" well documented but in actuality it's not well documented. Nice use of weasel words by the way, are you a professional astro turfer?
In any case the MS proprietary format is patented, this means that MS can sue anybody who not only implements it but actually saves files in their format from another program. Of course MS probably won't sue, they will fund another company to sue just like they did with SCO.
You are truly confused aren't you? Go back to the beginning and start again.
I never said jail, I said lose their jobs. Next time you should read the posts you are replying to.
P.S it's amazing how those liberals went to jail trying to protect the identity of scooter libby and carl rove while those two exposed the identity of a CIA agent huh? I guess it's better to try and destroy your critics then to safeguard the anonymity of CIA agents at least if you are republican.
Once again any faults with the import and export of proprietary, poorly documented, patent protected and non licensable formats is not the fault of the open office developers. They have done the best they can even though they have all risked being sued or even jailed under the DMCA.
Why don't you complain to Microsoft? Maybe they can support OO format, after all one of their largest customers is asking for it.
Who? You mean the NY times reporter that went to jail to protect somebody high in the white house? You mean that NY times?
"In America, you can go on television and air criticisms of Republican, Christian or any other viewpoints; and you may get a debate or -at worse- a reprimand."
Actually in America if you stridently critisize republicans you can lose your job. Especially if your job is in the media, or in education or the govt. One the American taleban targets you and the talking heads on fox news and talk radio start braying your job is on the chopping block.
The fact that OO is unable to import and export undocumented file types protected by patents and other intellectual property is not their fault. You need to take this up with Microsoft. Perhaps they could support the OASIS standard in their product, I hear some of their customers have been asking for it.
Please people when you are describing an organization that hires such idiots and puts them in positions of reponsibility the least you can do is name the company so we can all make sure we don't have stock in such a stupid company.
"As for the mass grave - there isn't a power on Earth that could achieve the genocide you so sociopathically wish to inflict on an entire people."
It would be easy with germ warfare. Even with chemical warfare it would be easy. Let's hope Al-Quada gets some chemical or biological agents if for no other reason then to get rid of people like you.
"History is written by the winners. The only people guilty of "war crimes" are losers - by definition."
I guess we will find out who wirtes the history of 9/11 in the end huh. It's every man for himself now. It will be interesting to see how the US reacts now that the people it kills for fun and profit ( I mean to further it's interest) are fighting back using unconventional means.
I used to feel sorry for the dead americans in NY but after reading your posts I now realize that it's just muslims furthering their own interests and that there is no such thing as wrong or right.
"Because we give aid to place swhere we have NO OBLIGATION TO DO SO."
You give a hell of a lot less (percentage wise) then everybody else. Istead of being ashamed of being so stingy and selfish you seem to be proud of it. Nobody is OBLIGATED to give anything but the nice and good people of the world give a lot more then you do.
It's also important who you give to, why and how. Most of your money goes to israel who really doesn't need it all that much. Most of your money should go to hungry people don't you think?
Get this through your head. America does not deserve praise for what pathetic little it gives, especially when all that giving goes to US corporations, arms merchants and countries that don't need it but wield a lot of political clout.
You should be ashamed at the way your country is acting, not proud. There is nothing to be proud of there. You sound a like a kid who is proud of the booger he just picked out of his nose and can't understand why nobody else thinks it's much of an accomplishment.
You are right. Corporations and by extension capitalism is an inherently evil system.
By Evil I am using the biblical definition. Capitalism is simply the seven deadly sins put into practice. It's based on greed and love of money (the root of all evil according to God) and sustains itself by consuming natural resources faster then they can be regenerated.
Don't even attempt to educate the ugly American. He is probably a republican too.
This is the typical American response. Apparently Americans believe everybody in africa is starving, has no water and is living outside.
Let me be the first one to tell you that there are people in africa who have have houses, clean water and food. Furthermore there are people in America who have no clean water, no food and live outside.
So people in Africa need computers, they need industry, they need commerce, they need an economy. WIthout those they will never get enough food for everybody. Of course not everybody will be fed, just like in America not everybody is fed, but you can't wait till everybody has enough food to start your economy.
"Try replying to the right post. I didn't say RMS needed a shower. I was simply agreeing with the parent of my reply about the hero worship here."
You were agreeing with somebody who said RMS needed a shower.
"As another reply to my post put it, there is a difference between appreciating someone's accomplishments and worshiping them."
WOW, What a profound statement to make. Too bad nobody is actually worshiping anybody huh? Is that fun? So is there a church of RMS someplace where people meet every sunday to hold RMS worship services? No? I guess you are full of shit then huh?
"As for my accomplishments, I'm quite satisfied with them both professionally and personally. Maybe that's why I can admire others without worshiping them."
I am waiting for your list, I want to compare to linus and RMS and see how it stacks up.
That license is to prevent people from writing open source code. If you look at their code and then code open source they have an automatic lawsuit waiting for you.
I would like to see MS grant a blanket patent and copyright vaiver to anybody who reads their code, until then you can simply presume it's a trap and that you should not walk into it.
Well to clarify your analogy it actually goes like this.
YOu decide to stop the wife beater, you go in and catch him, when his children try to stop you, you kill them, when his friends try to stop you you kill them too. Then you decide that he has a pretty decent house and take a room for yourself, nobody is allowed in there except you, if anybody tries you kill them. You also decide that his daughter is cute (her name is OIL) and decide that you want some of that yourself so you start raping her too.
You don't turn over the wife beater to the police, you keep him locked up in a secret location, you are now keeping residence at his house and killing anybody who tries to oust you, you tell his children what to do and when, you rape his daughter regularly.
Nice....
Really? Have you ever met RMS? Does he really need a shower?
Maybe some people try to make themselves feel better about themselves by calling other people dirty and smelly hippies especially when they stack their life time of non achievement against somebody who they disagree with vehemently.
So let's start. Make a column with your achievements and make another with RMS or Linus. Afterwards go take a shower and pretend you are cleaner then somebody you never met. OK.
This reminds me of a joke...
"I was thinking about getting a dog but then I didn't because my apartment is too small"
"then I thought to myself, I am living in a place I wouldn't let a dog live in!".
Isn't it funny. We are telling some guy not to enter our country lest he be arrested and yet we are perfectly willing to live here ourselves.