Although the java library is large it's definately not larger then the perl library. It's probably not larger then the python library. It's definately larger then the ruby library.
I can't wait till parrot goes live then all your libraries will belong to us.
Say there was a country were it's legal to enslave an unpopular minority. In that case it would be the DUTY of microsoft to enslave as many people as possible and put them to work because it would increase shareholder value.
At this point it MS would also be compelled to kill slaves that were crippled, weak, or too dumb to work and sell their organs to the highest bidder because that would be the best way to increase shareholder value. MS would risk a shareholder suit if it simply fed, clothed and sheltered slaves that were too weak or too dumb to work.
People were dying in Iraq? Well yes may were dying during the sanctions from disease and hunger and some were dying from the few bombs we dropped on them monthly but I don't recall hearing people dying of terrorism inside Iraq before we got there.
If you are using plain on JSP then java offers no real advantage over Ruby on Rails. The java advantage kicks in when you are running your app on multiple servers.
"Unlikely; CoreData is Objective C and essentially a subset of WebObjects's EOF designed specifically for desktop apps."
They already have bridges from ObjC to java and python so that's no obstacle. There is no reason not to make coredata more robust like EOF especially if you are not concerned about cross platform issues.
My take on this is that Appple is moving WO to be a mac only product. Right now you can build WARs but I'll bet you dollars to donuts they will incorporate some Mac only framework (most likely coredata) into it by the time the next version comes out.
The point is that ROR is more agile then J2EE. Sure J2EE is more scalable then ROR but that scalibility is very expensive in terms of time to market. Go read any rational book or web site about J2EE development and they'll tell you the same thing, you need to have developers with tons of Java and J2EE experience before you even attempt to start a J2EE project. Once the project has started you need to very carefully design your app and divide your functionality amongst stateful, stateless and persistent beans.
Whatever advantages J2EE has over ROR (or anything else for that matter) come at the cost of increased development time, and yes even increased maintenance due to the complexity of architecture and increased codebase.
So the question is what if you don't need that fabled scalibity or what if you don't know if you will need it because you don't know if your web site will ever become popular? Do you go the slow, bloated way or do you choose a more agile toolset?
Having said all that, it turns out that the scaliblity of your database ends up being the limiter for languages like PHP and Ruby. As long as you can keep session state in the database it's easy to round robin the apache web servers.
I have a directory. I look at the permissions and I am allowed to delete it. I look inside that there is nothing there. I look at the list of open files and the directory is not listed there. I go to delete it and I can't.
That's lousy my friend. That's a bug. So tell me what wonderful permission is preventing me from deleting this directory?
It is good. Sorry it does not meet your lofty requirements. I will whip and humiliate the developers till they make it better for you OK? How dare these people not spend all their time bowing down to you and bending over bavckwards to make you happy!
Ha Ha Ha. I get it. Cos open office is teh sux!. It sucks so bad people who use it should be shot!. It really really sux. It sux bad alright. It's sucky suck.
Wow, you have convinced me!. I will promptly uninstall open office and run over to best buy so I can buy MS office instead. Imagine that, there I was thinking that this software was perfectly suitable for my needs. You set me straight my friend. No more open office for me, it's micorsoft all the way from now on!
Wow you are so smart. Could you please tell me the secret of getting computers for free. Apprently you hever have to open up your wallet to get your computers.
Some of this blame has to go to MS for making an operating system on which not even the administrator can delete a file. It seems like windows presumes that even it's administrators can't be trusted fully. I know that I have had situations where the OS was so confused it would not let me delete a directory no matter what I did even though it was empty, even after rebooting. One day months later I tried on a whim and it let me delete it. Strange OS windows is.
Apple is changing. Right now ipod and itunes are the driving force behind the growth of apple. I don't know the exact figures but I heard that music is about 1/3rd of apples profit (ipod/itunes). When was the last time you saw an apple commercial that wasn't about music? Did you ever see a mac mini commercial?
Apple is in transition. Like Harley Davidson they will soon be a fashion company. Harley makes more of their profits from clothing, they make motorcycles to create an image which they brand of apparel. Apple will be same way. They will make computers to create an image which they will brand on some other thing.
"Nope! I think it's okay to say the ideology of people who want to abolish copyright resembles communism, because it does. "
No it doesn't. Just like giving a homeless man a dollar does not make you a communist, just like helping your brother pay his rent doesn't make you a communist, just like buying your mom a present doesn't make you a communist. Only the most insane zealot thinks that sharing or helping your fellow man is communism.
"Nope! I characterise Stallman as hysterical because that's how he comes across to me"
Right but that's only because you already hate him and you are a zealot.
"They were just naïve, like a lot of people who are anti-copyright today."
Can you point me to anybody who is anti copyright? You are lying about your enemies. Stallman is not anti copyright, the FSF is not anti copyright, OSI is not anti copyright. The fact that shills like you are resorting ot out and lying is ver encouraging to me.
"Stallman's ridiculousness rubs off a little bit on everyone who opposes software patents."
And yet his legacy is already carved in stone for all of eternity. You mark in history? I suppose some day somebody will dig up your shilling for MS on slashdot maybe.
"I do find it interesting that rather than trying to argue your case, you've resorted to mischaracterising what I said and insulting me."
Err Uhhm. I didn't call you a communist or cancer did I? Perhaps I should have called you a zealot shill because that's what you act like.
"That pretty well shows you know you've lost, so there's no need for me to say anything more. Game over."
You keep thinking that if it makes you feel better OK?
" The point of the matter is the growth of democracy across the world has brought about much greater stability than ever before."
You have got to be kidding me. There has been continious war raging across this planet for the last two decades and more. Where is this vaunted stability you speak of?
"I don't see why you're surprised by this? You are annoyed by my statement--argue with it--and when you can't dispute the facts attack the argument as "nitpicky and wrong".. I don't understand what's the point of this."
It's silly statement to make. It's like saying, Jeffrey Dahmer killed and ate people but he always put the toilet seat down after he used it. The fact that democracies fund death squads and murder people by the tens of thousands is somehow completely forgiveable by you becuase you think they are killing killing people in non democracies. Of course that's wrong. US funds and trains death squads in democracies as well as non democracies.
" Palestine (if you wish to treat it as a country) did not have elections until the past year or so."
Go read a history book. The had elections before the last year. The elections were monitored by the UN and approved by the UN. It's apparent you are working from a point of complete ignorance here.
"Heck, the IDEA of a independent Palestine is newer than that. I don't understand your arguments here."
Here I will try and put it into simple words. Israel sell goods to palestine, palestenians cross the border to work shit jobs in israel. Good and services flow across the border and yet so do the armies. So your argument about when goods don't cross borders armies will is proven to be wrong. You screaming about how palestine is not a country and is not a democracy does nothing to help your cause. Whenever I or other people point to an example where you are proven wrong you simply start whining that those countries are not democracies despite the fact that they held monitored elections.
"ultimately the point is, if everyone had governments like those in Western Europe (let's ignore the Us--they're pretty much the only ones you can find examples for that are even SOMEWHAt legitimate) the world would be even more stable."
You keep believing that if it makes you feel better. What makes you think those democracies won't fund death squads or impose cruel sanctions against each other? I and others have pointed out copious examples of democracies ferment instability, pain and suffering towards their own residents and other countries. But hey you go on living in your dream world where medocracies are all sugar and spice.
I went over to the apple web site and did a few random searches for jobs there. Virtually every single one requires a degree although some say "or equavalent experience". Most flat out require a degree.
If Steve applied for a job at his own company he probably would not even get interviewed.
"Re: South Africa. A society with upwards of 80% of the population disenfranchised is not a democracy."
Why not? A democracy is simply a method of electing leaders. Once elected if the leaders choose to keep 80% of the people then it's still a democracy. Nowhere is this more plain then in Israel where a parlimentarian democracy is subjugating millions of palestenians.
As for Iran I read your posts and I disagree with your spin on what happened. You seem to feel that the only valid democratically elected leaders are the ones that agree with US policy. That's crap.
"You can't find a quote of me saying any of those things. What I noted, at the beginning, and have resaid in every message is "Democracies very rarely go to war with each other""
I am questioning why you feel to make this nitpicky (and wrong) statement. So what? Why is this even remotely interesting or important when me and the other person have shown voluminous examples of democracies acting as bad or worse then tyrants. Why do you attach such importance to this silly statement. It means nothing. Democracies opress minorities, democracies support tyrants, democracies arm the evil of the world, democracies institute apartheid, democracies sanction slavery, democracies fund and train death squads but hey THEY DON"T WAGE WAR EACH OTHER and that's the important thing byu golly.
"Simply stating that countries in which goods and people cross freely and unmolested don't tend to go to war with each other. "
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Although the java library is large it's definately not larger then the perl library. It's probably not larger then the python library. It's definately larger then the ruby library.
I can't wait till parrot goes live then all your libraries will belong to us.
So let me get this straight.
Say there was a country were it's legal to enslave an unpopular minority. In that case it would be the DUTY of microsoft to enslave as many people as possible and put them to work because it would increase shareholder value.
At this point it MS would also be compelled to kill slaves that were crippled, weak, or too dumb to work and sell their organs to the highest bidder because that would be the best way to increase shareholder value. MS would risk a shareholder suit if it simply fed, clothed and sheltered slaves that were too weak or too dumb to work.
Did I get that right?
People were dying in Iraq? Well yes may were dying during the sanctions from disease and hunger and some were dying from the few bombs we dropped on them monthly but I don't recall hearing people dying of terrorism inside Iraq before we got there.
If you are using plain on JSP then java offers no real advantage over Ruby on Rails. The java advantage kicks in when you are running your app on multiple servers.
"Unlikely; CoreData is Objective C and essentially a subset of WebObjects's EOF designed specifically for desktop apps."
They already have bridges from ObjC to java and python so that's no obstacle. There is no reason not to make coredata more robust like EOF especially if you are not concerned about cross platform issues.
They were asked about this on WWDC. They flat out said no, it will not be open sourced.
My take on this is that Appple is moving WO to be a mac only product. Right now you can build WARs but I'll bet you dollars to donuts they will incorporate some Mac only framework (most likely coredata) into it by the time the next version comes out.
huh? I started the thread. If you were confused about the topic that's not my fault.
The point is that ROR is more agile then J2EE. Sure J2EE is more scalable then ROR but that scalibility is very expensive in terms of time to market. Go read any rational book or web site about J2EE development and they'll tell you the same thing, you need to have developers with tons of Java and J2EE experience before you even attempt to start a J2EE project. Once the project has started you need to very carefully design your app and divide your functionality amongst stateful, stateless and persistent beans.
Whatever advantages J2EE has over ROR (or anything else for that matter) come at the cost of increased development time, and yes even increased maintenance due to the complexity of architecture and increased codebase.
So the question is what if you don't need that fabled scalibity or what if you don't know if you will need it because you don't know if your web site will ever become popular? Do you go the slow, bloated way or do you choose a more agile toolset?
Having said all that, it turns out that the scaliblity of your database ends up being the limiter for languages like PHP and Ruby. As long as you can keep session state in the database it's easy to round robin the apache web servers.
That's a ridiculus assertion to make.
I have a directory. I look at the permissions and I am allowed to delete it. I look inside that there is nothing there. I look at the list of open files and the directory is not listed there. I go to delete it and I can't.
That's lousy my friend. That's a bug. So tell me what wonderful permission is preventing me from deleting this directory?
It is good. Sorry it does not meet your lofty requirements. I will whip and humiliate the developers till they make it better for you OK? How dare these people not spend all their time bowing down to you and bending over bavckwards to make you happy!
Ha Ha Ha. I get it. Cos open office is teh sux!. It sucks so bad people who use it should be shot!. It really really sux. It sux bad alright. It's sucky suck.
You are one clever dude.
Wow, you have convinced me!. I will promptly uninstall open office and run over to best buy so I can buy MS office instead. Imagine that, there I was thinking that this software was perfectly suitable for my needs. You set me straight my friend. No more open office for me, it's micorsoft all the way from now on!
Were you really thinking that a free application should be as good or better then something you pay $400.00 for?
By All means go ahead and pay for office if those extra megs and seconds are that important to you. I won't waste my money but hey that's just me.
"Even better, why not help find some volunteer developers to help spread the load?"
Wha? You mean actually doing something other the bitching and moaning? Remember where you are my friend.
Those damned whippersnappers probably never heard a tube amp. The music reproduction industry has been going downhill since the transistors.
Wow you are so smart. Could you please tell me the secret of getting computers for free. Apprently you hever have to open up your wallet to get your computers.
Some of this blame has to go to MS for making an operating system on which not even the administrator can delete a file. It seems like windows presumes that even it's administrators can't be trusted fully. I know that I have had situations where the OS was so confused it would not let me delete a directory no matter what I did even though it was empty, even after rebooting. One day months later I tried on a whim and it let me delete it. Strange OS windows is.
Apple is changing. Right now ipod and itunes are the driving force behind the growth of apple. I don't know the exact figures but I heard that music is about 1/3rd of apples profit (ipod/itunes). When was the last time you saw an apple commercial that wasn't about music? Did you ever see a mac mini commercial?
Apple is in transition. Like Harley Davidson they will soon be a fashion company. Harley makes more of their profits from clothing, they make motorcycles to create an image which they brand of apparel. Apple will be same way. They will make computers to create an image which they will brand on some other thing.
"Nope! I think it's okay to say the ideology of people who want to abolish copyright resembles communism, because it does. "
No it doesn't. Just like giving a homeless man a dollar does not make you a communist, just like helping your brother pay his rent doesn't make you a communist, just like buying your mom a present doesn't make you a communist. Only the most insane zealot thinks that sharing or helping your fellow man is communism.
"Nope! I characterise Stallman as hysterical because that's how he comes across to me"
Right but that's only because you already hate him and you are a zealot.
"They were just naïve, like a lot of people who are anti-copyright today."
Can you point me to anybody who is anti copyright? You are lying about your enemies. Stallman is not anti copyright, the FSF is not anti copyright, OSI is not anti copyright. The fact that shills like you are resorting ot out and lying is ver encouraging to me.
"Stallman's ridiculousness rubs off a little bit on everyone who opposes software patents."
And yet his legacy is already carved in stone for all of eternity. You mark in history? I suppose some day somebody will dig up your shilling for MS on slashdot maybe.
"I do find it interesting that rather than trying to argue your case, you've resorted to mischaracterising what I said and insulting me."
Err Uhhm. I didn't call you a communist or cancer did I? Perhaps I should have called you a zealot shill because that's what you act like.
"That pretty well shows you know you've lost, so there's no need for me to say anything more. Game over."
You keep thinking that if it makes you feel better OK?
" The point of the matter is the growth of democracy across the world has brought about much greater stability than ever before."
.. I don't understand what's the point of this."
You have got to be kidding me. There has been continious war raging across this planet for the last two decades and more. Where is this vaunted stability you speak of?
"I don't see why you're surprised by this? You are annoyed by my statement--argue with it--and when you can't dispute the facts attack the argument as "nitpicky and wrong"
It's silly statement to make. It's like saying, Jeffrey Dahmer killed and ate people but he always put the toilet seat down after he used it. The fact that democracies fund death squads and murder people by the tens of thousands is somehow completely forgiveable by you becuase you think they are killing killing people in non democracies. Of course that's wrong. US funds and trains death squads in democracies as well as non democracies.
" Palestine (if you wish to treat it as a country) did not have elections until the past year or so."
Go read a history book. The had elections before the last year. The elections were monitored by the UN and approved by the UN. It's apparent you are working from a point of complete ignorance here.
"Heck, the IDEA of a independent Palestine is newer than that. I don't understand your arguments here."
Here I will try and put it into simple words. Israel sell goods to palestine, palestenians cross the border to work shit jobs in israel. Good and services flow across the border and yet so do the armies. So your argument about when goods don't cross borders armies will is proven to be wrong. You screaming about how palestine is not a country and is not a democracy does nothing to help your cause. Whenever I or other people point to an example where you are proven wrong you simply start whining that those countries are not democracies despite the fact that they held monitored elections.
"ultimately the point is, if everyone had governments like those in Western Europe (let's ignore the Us--they're pretty much the only ones you can find examples for that are even SOMEWHAt legitimate) the world would be even more stable."
You keep believing that if it makes you feel better. What makes you think those democracies won't fund death squads or impose cruel sanctions against each other? I and others have pointed out copious examples of democracies ferment instability, pain and suffering towards their own residents and other countries. But hey you go on living in your dream world where medocracies are all sugar and spice.
I went over to the apple web site and did a few random searches for jobs there. Virtually every single one requires a degree although some say "or equavalent experience". Most flat out require a degree.
If Steve applied for a job at his own company he probably would not even get interviewed.
Last I checked MS was not paying all that much. If anything they pay below market rates.
You'd think a smart guy like that would be able to get a job anywhere.
"Re: South Africa. A society with upwards of 80% of the population disenfranchised is not a democracy."
Why not? A democracy is simply a method of electing leaders. Once elected if the leaders choose to keep 80% of the people then it's still a democracy. Nowhere is this more plain then in Israel where a parlimentarian democracy is subjugating millions of palestenians.
As for Iran I read your posts and I disagree with your spin on what happened. You seem to feel that the only valid democratically elected leaders are the ones that agree with US policy. That's crap.
"You can't find a quote of me saying any of those things. What I noted, at the beginning, and have resaid in every message is "Democracies very rarely go to war with each other""
I am questioning why you feel to make this nitpicky (and wrong) statement. So what? Why is this even remotely interesting or important when me and the other person have shown voluminous examples of democracies acting as bad or worse then tyrants. Why do you attach such importance to this silly statement. It means nothing. Democracies opress minorities, democracies support tyrants, democracies arm the evil of the world, democracies institute apartheid, democracies sanction slavery, democracies fund and train death squads but hey THEY DON"T WAGE WAR EACH OTHER and that's the important thing byu golly.
"Simply stating that countries in which goods and people cross freely and unmolested don't tend to go to war with each other. "
Two words. Israel, palestine.