I would have no objection to defending anybody, any organization or any politicial who was working for the betterment of mankind.
I just find it sick and disgusting that people would defend a sleazy and unethical corporation like microsoft. How do people sleep at night? They must have no conscience I guess.
I don't see anything wrong with anybody attacking any corporation, any time, for any reason, anywhere.
I do however think that there is something sick and disgusting about shilling for them. I find it odd and pathetic that people wear corporation logos and proudly associate themselves with a soul-less imortal and aroral entitites like corporations.
I could understand if you are astro turfing and getting paid for it at that point it's just a job. To do it for free though? that's just disgusting.
Do you defend open source when MS shills make ridiculus claims? Do you defend open source when MS executives compare it to terrorism?
"Or do you think we should just go ahead and believe all statements made against any of these institutions just because we don't have a vested interest in them, and therefore they're ripe for slander?"
It depends on the institution. If I believe that the institution is one that benefits humanity at large and helps people then I would defend them. If it was a sleazy unethical corporation then I would not care or even help spread the lies.
The world could use less sleazy unethical corporations don't you think?
No not here. Shilling for Ford here is indeed offtopic. You need to shill for ford on other boards where cars are discussed. Then you need to shill for maytag on boards where appliances are discussed.
Being a corporate shill is not easy but corporations need brave and hard working people like you to stick up for them.
"You want me to go somewhere else because I don't blindly hate Microsoft and every move they make? "
No. I am simply pointing out that other corporations need defending too. Why limit yourself to shilling for just one corporation? Isn't it more rewarding to shill for lots of corporation in lots of different industries?
I don't think it's fair that you only defend Microsoft. Lots of people hate Ford, GE, Coors, Maytag, Monsanto etc. I am asking you to defend all of these poor helpless corporations against the mean and vicious public.
"you're not well enough informed on the matter to justify hating MS?"
I don't need justification to hate a corporation. They are not human beings. They are soul-less immortal beings. When I was growing up I was told that coul-less immortal beings were devils and demons. I think maybe that was the truth.
"As opposed to Slashdot? In every case where there has been a problem with Windows security, it's been AFTER they released a patch for the vulnerability. Every one! And yet, Slashdotters love to make patently untrue jabs like "Ho ho, they can't patch their OS fast enough, guffaw!" How does this kind of thing make it past the editors, anyway? Do they not know? Or do they not care?"
So what? Why do you love this corporation so much that you feel compelled to defend them from a bunch of anonymous people. DO you love other corporations just as much? Do you go around yelling at people if they say they don't like fords or maytag washers? If not why not? Why did you choose to make yourself a sycophant for this corporation but not others? Honestly I want to know how MS got you to pledge your allegience to them.
If you don't have an answer then perhaps one of the people who modded you up do.
"Uh okay. I suppose I should just drop everything, shake my pitchfork at MS at every turn, and badmouth every little thing they do? That way I could be cool just like everybody else here."
No just try not to be sycophant for a corporation. Especially if that corporation doesn't give a shit about you, your life, your family, your freedom, your health or any other aspect of your life.
Why waste your time and energy defending a giant rich corporation from slashdoters? What's in it for you? Why not go to a forum where people discuss washers and defend maytag. Maytag is a corporation too and I bet they need your help just as much as Microsoft does.
"Hundreds of thousands of Mormons arguing for a constitutional ammendment that is so religiously based that it also makes the marriage practices of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, etc.,"
I presume you mean the gay marriage amendment.
I would argue that this is not based on religion. Remember God never said homosexuals should not marry. God simply said homosexuals should be killed.
If these people actually believed in the word of god they would advocate for execution of homosexuals. But then again maybe they are just building up to that.
"True, true. Over the past five years or so I've used about a dozen scripting languages, and none of them has really stood out and said, "pick me, I'm the best.""
You have to do both. You have to do everything you can all the time. Otherwise you will be owned. Don't even pretend that you are going to somehow outsmart some hacker cos you won't.
1) Buy whatever they are selling. 2) Subpoena the bank that cached the check or processed the credit card. 3) Arrest the spammer and jail them. 4).... 5) End of spam
You are under a false impression that it's impossible to write a web page that supports both IE and mozilla. I can assure you that such a thing is possible despite what MS hype machine tells you.
"Now you are suggesting that the parent is illeterate and therefore should not be catered for."
No. I am saying there will always be people who are too illeterate no matter how much documentation you write or how easy you make it. There will always be some fuckwad someplace you won't be able to make it work and that person will write a story saying linux sucks. At that point all the MS sycophants will post on slashdot about ho wmuch linux sucks and how windows is so much better and will mod themselves up so they are all +4 or better.
That's what I am saying.
BTW.
Open source does not work unless you contribute. Do you need me to say that again? OPEN SOURCE DOES NOT WORK UNLESS YOU CONTRIBUTE.
There will always be a REAL user with REAL problems. How do you propose that we make sure every single human being on this planet no matter how illeterate can set up something complicated like cross platform file sharing?
Honestly I want to hear your answer on how you plan to eliminate ANY user confusion whatsoever.
BTW why can't the people who keep bitching and moaning here buy a fucking book or get off their ass and write some documentation?
I guess it's easier to whine on slashdot about how much linux sucks and how much better Microsoft windows is.
Too bad the people who work at MS are such bastards. If they were actual real human beings they would have published the specs and samba would be so much easier to install and configure.
I don't argue that there is not a large python library. I am arguing that it's not centrally located, searchable, well documented and easy to install and update using a built in mechanism.
CPAN provides all that and more. No other language comes close and I think it's about time they figured out why.
Why does perl have CPAN but python does not have piPAN (a great name for it too!). Have you ever tried searching for a python module to do something specific? Say you wanted to write a jabber proxy in python that examined each message, logged it to a database, and cleaned up dirty words. How long would it take you to hunt down a class to build proxy servers, class to parse jabber messages, class to write to the database, a class to filter out dirty words? How long would it take to search for the same classes in PERL?
And once you found those classes how well are they documented? DO they have sample code? Is each function and method documented? Take a look at the documentation here
Excuse for saying this but I find pypi unimpressive. Go type IMAP into the keyword field and you get twisted and nothing else. Go type Jabber and all you get is a xml-rpc over jabber. Go type proxy and you get two projects neither of which is a module to help you write proxy servers.
Also it's simply a pointer to packages not a repository itself.
I do remember reading someplace that the photos were a part of the techniqe of breaking them down. Supposedly they were to be circulated amongst friends and families unless the prisoners obeyed. How else would you explain over 1300 photos and video tapes that exist (this is according to congressional testimony). One senator described them as stomach turning and far worse then we can imagine.
neither ruby nor python have as large a library. Neither of them have an automated way to install the library components. Python does not even have a centralized repository. Also neither the python or ruby libraries have much of a documentation.
Solaris is a commercial product made by a company worth billions of dollars. If you have any gripes with it you should contact that company and demand to get your money's worth. If they don't satisfy you as a customer you should probably consider switching to a competing product or an open source one.
I for one have been very happy with both freebsd and linux so far so I would not hesitate to reccomend them.
It's apparent by now you haven't used perl or CPAN. If you had you would know how much jakarta and CPAN differ.
You seem to confuse a build system like Maven and a package installer system like CPAN. CPAN is more like apt-get and maven is more like make on steroids.
Jakarta is a loose compilation of libraries, fameworks, and applications. It is not a library of ready to use objects like CPAN is. Also java has no way to automatically download and install jakarta projects and resolve any dependencies.
Slashdot Mirror
I would have no objection to defending anybody, any organization or any politicial who was working for the betterment of mankind.
I just find it sick and disgusting that people would defend a sleazy and unethical corporation like microsoft. How do people sleep at night? They must have no conscience I guess.
I don't see anything wrong with anybody attacking any corporation, any time, for any reason, anywhere.
I do however think that there is something sick and disgusting about shilling for them. I find it odd and pathetic that people wear corporation logos and proudly associate themselves with a soul-less imortal and aroral entitites like corporations.
I could understand if you are astro turfing and getting paid for it at that point it's just a job. To do it for free though? that's just disgusting.
Do you defend open source when MS shills make ridiculus claims? Do you defend open source when MS executives compare it to terrorism?
"Or do you think we should just go ahead and believe all statements made against any of these institutions just because we don't have a vested interest in them, and therefore they're ripe for slander?"
It depends on the institution. If I believe that the institution is one that benefits humanity at large and helps people then I would defend them. If it was a sleazy unethical corporation then I would not care or even help spread the lies.
The world could use less sleazy unethical corporations don't you think?
No not here. Shilling for Ford here is indeed offtopic. You need to shill for ford on other boards where cars are discussed. Then you need to shill for maytag on boards where appliances are discussed.
Being a corporate shill is not easy but corporations need brave and hard working people like you to stick up for them.
"You want me to go somewhere else because I don't blindly hate Microsoft and every move they make? "
No. I am simply pointing out that other corporations need defending too. Why limit yourself to shilling for just one corporation? Isn't it more rewarding to shill for lots of corporation in lots of different industries?
I don't think it's fair that you only defend Microsoft. Lots of people hate Ford, GE, Coors, Maytag, Monsanto etc. I am asking you to defend all of these poor helpless corporations against the mean and vicious public.
"you're not well enough informed on the matter to justify hating MS?"
I don't need justification to hate a corporation. They are not human beings. They are soul-less immortal beings. When I was growing up I was told that coul-less immortal beings were devils and demons. I think maybe that was the truth.
"As opposed to Slashdot? In every case where there has been a problem with Windows security, it's been AFTER they released a patch for the vulnerability. Every one! And yet, Slashdotters love to make patently untrue jabs like "Ho ho, they can't patch their OS fast enough, guffaw!" How does this kind of thing make it past the editors, anyway? Do they not know? Or do they not care?"
So what? Why do you love this corporation so much that you feel compelled to defend them from a bunch of anonymous people. DO you love other corporations just as much? Do you go around yelling at people if they say they don't like fords or maytag washers? If not why not? Why did you choose to make yourself a sycophant for this corporation but not others? Honestly I want to know how MS got you to pledge your allegience to them.
If you don't have an answer then perhaps one of the people who modded you up do.
"Uh okay. I suppose I should just drop everything, shake my pitchfork at MS at every turn, and badmouth every little thing they do? That way I could be cool just like everybody else here."
No just try not to be sycophant for a corporation. Especially if that corporation doesn't give a shit about you, your life, your family, your freedom, your health or any other aspect of your life.
Why waste your time and energy defending a giant rich corporation from slashdoters? What's in it for you? Why not go to a forum where people discuss washers and defend maytag. Maytag is a corporation too and I bet they need your help just as much as Microsoft does.
"Hundreds of thousands of Mormons arguing for a constitutional ammendment that is so religiously based that it also makes the marriage practices of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, etc.,"
I presume you mean the gay marriage amendment.
I would argue that this is not based on religion. Remember God never said homosexuals should not marry. God simply said homosexuals should be killed.
If these people actually believed in the word of god they would advocate for execution of homosexuals. But then again maybe they are just building up to that.
"True, true. Over the past five years or so I've used about a dozen scripting languages, and none of them has really stood out and said, "pick me, I'm the best.""
Have you tried Ruby?
You have to do both. You have to do everything you can all the time. Otherwise you will be owned. Don't even pretend that you are going to somehow outsmart some hacker cos you won't.
If you haven't firewalled your PC you are probably already hacked or are running at least a dozen spyware programs.
The hackers are grateful that you are unaware of this.
1) Buy whatever they are selling. ....
2) Subpoena the bank that cached the check or processed the credit card.
3) Arrest the spammer and jail them.
4)
5) End of spam
And that is precisely the reason somebody can hack your windows machine using IE.
You are under a false impression that it's impossible to write a web page that supports both IE and mozilla. I can assure you that such a thing is possible despite what MS hype machine tells you.
"Now you are suggesting that the parent is illeterate and therefore should not be catered for."
No. I am saying there will always be people who are too illeterate no matter how much documentation you write or how easy you make it. There will always be some fuckwad someplace you won't be able to make it work and that person will write a story saying linux sucks. At that point all the MS sycophants will post on slashdot about ho wmuch linux sucks and how windows is so much better and will mod themselves up so they are all +4 or better.
That's what I am saying.
BTW.
Open source does not work unless you contribute. Do you need me to say that again? OPEN SOURCE DOES NOT WORK UNLESS YOU CONTRIBUTE.
You don't have to be a developer to contribute.
There will always be a REAL user with REAL problems. How do you propose that we make sure every single human being on this planet no matter how illeterate can set up something complicated like cross platform file sharing?
Honestly I want to hear your answer on how you plan to eliminate ANY user confusion whatsoever.
BTW why can't the people who keep bitching and moaning here buy a fucking book or get off their ass and write some documentation?
I guess it's easier to whine on slashdot about how much linux sucks and how much better Microsoft windows is.
Too bad the people who work at MS are such bastards. If they were actual real human beings they would have published the specs and samba would be so much easier to install and configure.
Remember it's a miracle samba works at all.
I don't argue that there is not a large python library. I am arguing that it's not centrally located, searchable, well documented and easy to install and update using a built in mechanism.
CPAN provides all that and more. No other language comes close and I think it's about time they figured out why.
Why does perl have CPAN but python does not have piPAN (a great name for it too!). Have you ever tried searching for a python module to do something specific? Say you wanted to write a jabber proxy in python that examined each message, logged it to a database, and cleaned up dirty words. How long would it take you to hunt down a class to build proxy servers, class to parse jabber messages, class to write to the database, a class to filter out dirty words? How long would it take to search for the same classes in PERL?
And once you found those classes how well are they documented? DO they have sample code? Is each function and method documented? Take a look at the documentation here
Is there anything on the python sites like this?
Excuse for saying this but I find pypi unimpressive. Go type IMAP into the keyword field and you get twisted and nothing else. Go type Jabber and all you get is a xml-rpc over jabber. Go type proxy and you get two projects neither of which is a module to help you write proxy servers.
Also it's simply a pointer to packages not a repository itself.
I do remember reading someplace that the photos were a part of the techniqe of breaking them down. Supposedly they were to be circulated amongst friends and families unless the prisoners obeyed. How else would you explain over 1300 photos and video tapes that exist (this is according to congressional testimony). One senator described them as stomach turning and far worse then we can imagine.
neither ruby nor python have as large a library. Neither of them have an automated way to install the library components. Python does not even have a centralized repository. Also neither the python or ruby libraries have much of a documentation.
Solaris is a commercial product made by a company worth billions of dollars. If you have any gripes with it you should contact that company and demand to get your money's worth. If they don't satisfy you as a customer you should probably consider switching to a competing product or an open source one.
I for one have been very happy with both freebsd and linux so far so I would not hesitate to reccomend them.
It's apparent by now you haven't used perl or CPAN. If you had you would know how much jakarta and CPAN differ.
You seem to confuse a build system like Maven and a package installer system like CPAN. CPAN is more like apt-get and maven is more like make on steroids.
One of your links (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,12156 45,00.html) refers to "forced homosexual acts".
Jakarta is a loose compilation of libraries, fameworks, and applications. It is not a library of ready to use objects like CPAN is. Also java has no way to automatically download and install jakarta projects and resolve any dependencies.