"Maybe we just have different standards of "evil". I'm afraid mine rates slavery, destruction of the environment and propogation of death and suffering far, far higher than it does selling a piece of software to willing buyers that checks back every day to see if it's been pirated."
I agree that we have different standards. I see lots of activities other then slavery and destruction of the environment as evil.
"There is no force whatsoever that currently compels me to use Microsoft software. Even when *using* Microsoft software, there is no force compelling me to use their propretarry formats. *Let alone* actively stopping me from using other file formats, software or hardware."
Ms is actively lobbying the govt to prevent you from exercizing those choices.
"The USA kills people in Iraq today because a murderous dictator decided to play a couple games of poker and hide & seek with the west using chemical and biological weapons."
He had no chemical of biological weapons when we invaded. Oh and he is in jail. The USA is kills people in order to put down an insurgency by a population that does not want to live under it's rule. Just like Saddam. I guess your god must like it when you kill people in order to put down an insurgency.
"Got a link for that?"
Gee let's see. Why don't you look up hiroshima, nagasaki, vietnam, panama, chile, death squads, afghanistan, desert storm, iraq body count. I think those google searched might give you a rough idea of how many people died at the hands of the USA.
"Hmmm, I smell anti-Americanism. "
GASP!!!. NO, HOW DARE ANYBODY!. Anti americanism. Oh woe to me!. I am shocked I tell you shocked!.
BHAHAHAHA. Fucking republitard finally reached for that one. Why didn't you say that I hate america and that I love terrorists and that I am a homosexual atheist evolutionist secular french person?
LOL.
"The USA is the root of all that's really evil in the world.."
I never said that. I simply said USA needs to take the credit for the massacres, the murders, the tortures done by itself.
"Imams preach hatred and violence, and when their followers take the sword (bomb) and finally join the war against infidels, it's somehow the USA's fault?"
Every religious person preaches hate. Every religion has a special word meaning "not us". Heathen, infidel, goyem etc.
I never said it was USA's fault that terrorists kill people. I said it's USA's fault that USA kills people. Oddly enough USA kills more people then the terrorists do.
"if you took a little time you might start to see how Islamic terrorism is not the fault of the west, it's the fault of Islam."
I never said islamic terrorism is the fault of the west. The west is responsible for it's own terrorism, murder, torture, massacres, occupation and apartheid.
"Everyone even vaguely connected with an industry that generates "intellectual property" lobbied very hard for the DMCA. "
Mostly it was the RIAA, MPAA and MS.
"I think the only "freedom" 99% of people worried about not being able to download and install the next version of Windows from TPB is their freedom to get the latest and greatest for free."
Once again you seem to think it's not a major problem and only see the fight in the narrowest terms possible. We clearly disagree.
"Indeed. You seem to think not having it would put us in the stone age. I think it would put us in the seventies."
You talk as if putting us in the seventies would not be a major blow to the world.
"If it weren't Microsoft, it would be someone else. Be thankful it wasn't Apple that ended up at the top of the computing world heap."
I don't buy this argument. I hear it all the time from the shillboys. I don't believe that every company in the world or every company in IT is as evil as Ms. I just don't buy it.
"I really think you need to get some perspective, here. Microsoft have such a miniscule influence on the things that are really important in your life that it's ridiculous to say they're even playing the same game as big pharma, big media, big oil and their ilk. Hell, *Nike* rate higher on the "evil" scale than Microsoft does."
Once again we clearly disagree. I think the ability to talk, communicate, read, pass information to your progeny is more important then most other things in the world. Ms controls all of that right now.
"With the text key, however, you now need to fix all references to this product everywhere, which is easily 50 tables on a large DB."
It depends on your database. On some databases the database takes care of all that for you. You change the master and the database changes all the child records. It's called "cascaded updates and deletes".
Anyway...
Relational theory says that each row must be uniquely identifable. People have hacked on the integer key to obey the letter of the theory while ignoring the spirit. I am not saying you should never use it, I am saying you should avoid it whenever possible (like NULLs).
My second point is that all child tables must carry all the keys of all parent tables and that the primay key must be a multi field key. If you do that then your database becomes much easier to maintain.
I loaded up puppy linux the other day and it only consumed 140K or RAM. I was thinking that it might be good run puppy as a host to VMware and run all your OSes inside VMware.
"Yet when do hear about Christian, Hindu, or Jewish fanatics flying planes into buildings? We don't."
That's because you don't have to. You have jet, fighters, ships and missiles to kill people with. When you want to kill some people you drop bobms on them. People who don't have bombers use other means like hijacked airplanes.
I guess I don't understand why you think the choice of weapon is so important.
"Saying "all religions are the same" shows your reluctance to find the glaring differences between them."
There are no differences. They all believe in an imaginary creature in the sky who tells them what to do. That's irrational and tells me that they are all easily duped.
Where is root of your hatred of islam and muslims come from? It comes from your god. No other reason.
I should make a not here that Budhists don't believe in god. I don't put Budhists in the same category as christians, jews and muslims.
"The intent of Bush was to stop a murderous dictator from terrorizing his own people and neighboring states, not to subjugate and rule."
Is it nice in la-di-la land? The intent of both parties is to put down an insurgency.
"Israels's intent is to live peacefully while surrounded by Arab states bent on its destruction."
BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh man that's fucking funny.
"The root of most of this evil can be found in the Qur'an, and the violent examples given us by Muhammed. Islam is not a religion of peace, and it's Imams and Mullahs are busy fomenting hatred and violence by citing verses and traditions that doctrinally mandate and approve of violence towards non-believers."
The root of all evil is religion itself. People who believe in god are by definition irrational and suggestible.
There are two main reasons people denormalize. One is that they are using artificial keys. It's become all too common to use increasing integers and guids. This leads to...
Not carrying the keys to related tables. If there is a relation four tables deep (customers, invoices, lineitems for example) then the table at the end needs to carry all the keys of all the parent tables.
I know many people will disagree with those points I found that it's the single biggest cause of umpteen table joins. Sure it takes a lot of room to carry all those keys, sure multi field primary keys are not in fashion anymore but in my opinion it's the only way.
I know for a fact that members of the knesset have called for genocide and ethnic cleansing. I don't know if that counts as "israel" saying those things but I imagine if a US senator called for the destruction of all native americans people would take it pretty seriously.
It's a pretty common place occurance in israel. How many times has a prominent Israeli called for ethnic cleansing? It must happen a couple of times a year.
Intent? Let's examine intent in terms of saddam and bush.
Both saddam and bush killed lots of innocent civillians in order to subjugate a country to their will. They both faced insurgencies and they both reacted with obcene amounts of violence, torture, massacres and mass bombing inside of cities.
So they both had the same intent, to put down an insurgency.
Intent re palestine and israel?
Israels intent is to subjugate 3.5 million people to their will, to take their land, to expand settlements outside of their borders. Palestenians intent is to gain freedom and human rights and a country.
"Israel will see peace when palestinian's lay down their explosives."
Palestenians will lay down their explosive when they gain their freedom.
Let's not kid ourselves though. There will never be peace in the middle east. God is telling israelis to kill palestenians and to take their land. He is also telling palestenians to kill jews and to take their land. As long as both countries are listening to god there will never be peace.
Killing is a sport over there now. The so called holy land has become satans playground.
"Your paranoia is showing. About the only "freedom" Microsoft is actively trying to curb is the "freedom" to violate copyright[0]."
Ms lobbied very hard for the DMCA. If you think the only thing at stake here is copyright violation then you are still sleeping.
""IT" has only been a significant part of "civilisation" for - at a stretch - thirty years (realistically, closer to ten)."
Clearly we have different viewpoints about the importance of IT in the modern world.
"I also feel compelled to point out that Microsoft has been one of the key factors in making "IT" so important in the first place. By pretty much any objective measure, Microsoft is *great* for IT."
Nonsense. More great actual and potential technologies have died because of Ms then for any other reason. Ms kills innovation.
"but there are so many bigger, worthier targets than Microsoft out there it's just not funny (even if you restrict yourself to the area of "Intellectual Property" based corporations)."
I disagree. Take out Ms and the whole thing comes crumbling down. Ms is the richest and most powerful company in IT and one of the most powerful companies in the world. Other then a few oil companies and walmart (all various degrees of evil) it's Ms.
It's true that tobacco kills lots of people a year. They are near the top of the list for me. Ms is not a threat to humans, it's a threat to humanity. The ability to communicate freely, to pass information from one generation to another, from one human to another is what separates humans from the animals. Ms is actively trying to curb this freedom and working in close partnerships with others who want to curb this freedom.
On another point IT is arguably the most imporant industry on the planet. It is literally the glue that holds modern civiliation together. Ms is bad for IT, Ms is bad for civilization.
What the??? You are upset because some corporations name was intercapped? Are you going to go into apoplexy every time somebody intercaps some corporations name?
So if wage war, and you win, then it's OK for you keep the land you got.
OK, I'll buy that. Every country does that. When china invaded tibet and taiwan they were perfectly within their rights to keep that land.
Here is the odd thing though. Civilized nations eventually make the people they conquered citizens. We did it with the indians, the chinese did it with the tibetians, the turks did it with the kurds, hell the iraqis did it with the kurds. Every civilized nation has done that eventually except israel of course.
Sure you won the land fair and square. Now do the civilized thing and give those poeple full and fair rights and benefits just like all your other citizens.
No muslim would ever claim god talked to them. it's against their religion.
"Osama, Saddam, and Kim jung il are most definitely pathalogical maniacs. To think of them as merely "different" is the height of moral equivalence."
This is the most irrational thing I have heard in a long time.
As for moral equavalence I think that's a bad road to follow. There is plenty of moral equavalence between bush and saddam. They have both killed civillians, they have both tortured people, they have both bombed and destroyed citites. The only difference is in volume and methods. That's it. In fact in terms of number of civillians killed Bush probably has an edge by now.
Let's take a look at moral equavalence in Israel and palestine. One side kills people in order to continue their subjugation and occupation, the other side kills people trying to gain their freedom and shake off their opressors. No equavalence there. The palestenians are in a clearly morally superior position.
You I guess I don't think it's bad that people die. They are going to die eventually anyway what a few years more or less. Let's face it most people aren't going to do anything all that great in their remaining years anyway.
My father was supposed to die many years ago. The doctors permormed miracles and brought him back from the edge of death. But he is not the man he used to be. He suffers from many disabilities as a result of his illness and the operation used to save him. He is continually miserable too. He is my father, when he finally dies I am going to be profoundly sad and it's going to change my life but I still think he should have died back then. I don't believe in god and I don't think he is going to heaven or hell. I just think it was a mistake to force him to live when his body had given out, just to resurrect him as a crippled and sad old man. I hate seeing him this way and I have made sure I have a living will so that I will never be in his position either.
Supposedly Kruschev was insane too. The problem is that we all think that people who disagree with us are insane (they would have to be right? No sane person could disagree with us). Saddam was not and is not insane. Osama is not insane. They guys running Iran are not insane. Kim jung il is not insane. They are perfectly sane people. They may think differently then you, they may want different things then you but they are not insane.
As for Israel I think the best way to get elected in israel and to best way to move up in the polls or to distract the public from your scandals is to kill arabs. That's what their politicians do. I am not saying it's insane, that's just what they do to stay in power.
Having said all that I sometimes think Bush is indeed insane. You know "you talk to god you are religous, god talks to you then you are insane" thing.
1) People who disagree with you are zealots. Only zealots can possibly disagree with your obviously rational and well thought out opinions. 2) People who hold other values then you are doing it because they think it's a religion. You (and the people who agree with you 100%) are the only rational people on the planet.
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"Maybe we just have different standards of "evil". I'm afraid mine rates slavery, destruction of the environment and propogation of death and suffering far, far higher than it does selling a piece of software to willing buyers that checks back every day to see if it's been pirated."
I agree that we have different standards. I see lots of activities other then slavery and destruction of the environment as evil.
"There is no force whatsoever that currently compels me to use Microsoft software. Even when *using* Microsoft software, there is no force compelling me to use their propretarry formats. *Let alone* actively stopping me from using other file formats, software or hardware."
Ms is actively lobbying the govt to prevent you from exercizing those choices.
"The USA kills people in Iraq today because a murderous dictator decided to play a couple games of poker and hide & seek with the west using chemical and biological weapons."
He had no chemical of biological weapons when we invaded. Oh and he is in jail. The USA is kills people in order to put down an insurgency by a population that does not want to live under it's rule. Just like Saddam. I guess your god must like it when you kill people in order to put down an insurgency.
"Got a link for that?"
Gee let's see. Why don't you look up hiroshima, nagasaki, vietnam, panama, chile, death squads, afghanistan, desert storm, iraq body count. I think those google searched might give you a rough idea of how many people died at the hands of the USA.
"Hmmm, I smell anti-Americanism. "
GASP!!!. NO, HOW DARE ANYBODY!. Anti americanism. Oh woe to me!. I am shocked I tell you shocked!.
BHAHAHAHA. Fucking republitard finally reached for that one. Why didn't you say that I hate america and that I love terrorists and that I am a homosexual atheist evolutionist secular french person?
LOL.
"The USA is the root of all that's really evil in the world.."
I never said that. I simply said USA needs to take the credit for the massacres, the murders, the tortures done by itself.
"Imams preach hatred and violence, and when their followers take the sword (bomb) and finally join the war against infidels, it's somehow the USA's fault?"
Every religious person preaches hate. Every religion has a special word meaning "not us". Heathen, infidel, goyem etc.
I never said it was USA's fault that terrorists kill people. I said it's USA's fault that USA kills people. Oddly enough USA kills more people then the terrorists do.
"if you took a little time you might start to see how Islamic terrorism is not the fault of the west, it's the fault of Islam."
I never said islamic terrorism is the fault of the west. The west is responsible for it's own terrorism, murder, torture, massacres, occupation and apartheid.
"Everyone even vaguely connected with an industry that generates "intellectual property" lobbied very hard for the DMCA. "
Mostly it was the RIAA, MPAA and MS.
"I think the only "freedom" 99% of people worried about not being able to download and install the next version of Windows from TPB is their freedom to get the latest and greatest for free."
Once again you seem to think it's not a major problem and only see the fight in the narrowest terms possible. We clearly disagree.
"Indeed. You seem to think not having it would put us in the stone age. I think it would put us in the seventies."
You talk as if putting us in the seventies would not be a major blow to the world.
"If it weren't Microsoft, it would be someone else. Be thankful it wasn't Apple that ended up at the top of the computing world heap."
I don't buy this argument. I hear it all the time from the shillboys. I don't believe that every company in the world or every company in IT is as evil as Ms. I just don't buy it.
"I really think you need to get some perspective, here. Microsoft have such a miniscule influence on the things that are really important in your life that it's ridiculous to say they're even playing the same game as big pharma, big media, big oil and their ilk. Hell, *Nike* rate higher on the "evil" scale than Microsoft does."
Once again we clearly disagree. I think the ability to talk, communicate, read, pass information to your progeny is more important then most other things in the world. Ms controls all of that right now.
Any information Google can collect, MS can collect. They own the OS remember?
"With the text key, however, you now need to fix all references to this product everywhere, which is easily 50 tables on a large DB."
It depends on your database. On some databases the database takes care of all that for you. You change the master and the database changes all the child records. It's called "cascaded updates and deletes".
Anyway...
Relational theory says that each row must be uniquely identifable. People have hacked on the integer key to obey the letter of the theory while ignoring the spirit. I am not saying you should never use it, I am saying you should avoid it whenever possible (like NULLs).
My second point is that all child tables must carry all the keys of all parent tables and that the primay key must be a multi field key. If you do that then your database becomes much easier to maintain.
This is wrong...
Table Invoices.
CustomerID, InvoiceID.
1,1
1,2
2,3
2,4
It should be like this
CustomerID, InvoiceID
1,1
1,2
2,1
2,2
Until you do that your database will be a nightmare to maintain
I loaded up puppy linux the other day and it only consumed 140K or RAM. I was thinking that it might be good run puppy as a host to VMware and run all your OSes inside VMware.
When is it going to go out of beta and get non expiring keys?
Do you want me to prepare pages and pages of links to christians killing people? How many people has Bush killed? What were all of them guilty of?
"Yet when do hear about Christian, Hindu, or Jewish fanatics flying planes into buildings? We don't."
That's because you don't have to. You have jet, fighters, ships and missiles to kill people with. When you want to kill some people you drop bobms on them. People who don't have bombers use other means like hijacked airplanes.
I guess I don't understand why you think the choice of weapon is so important.
"Saying "all religions are the same" shows your reluctance to find the glaring differences between them."
There are no differences. They all believe in an imaginary creature in the sky who tells them what to do. That's irrational and tells me that they are all easily duped.
Where is root of your hatred of islam and muslims come from? It comes from your god. No other reason.
I should make a not here that Budhists don't believe in god. I don't put Budhists in the same category as christians, jews and muslims.
"The intent of Bush was to stop a murderous dictator from terrorizing his own people and neighboring states, not to subjugate and rule."
Is it nice in la-di-la land? The intent of both parties is to put down an insurgency.
"Israels's intent is to live peacefully while surrounded by Arab states bent on its destruction."
BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh man that's fucking funny.
"The root of most of this evil can be found in the Qur'an, and the violent examples given us by Muhammed. Islam is not a religion of peace, and it's Imams and Mullahs are busy fomenting hatred and violence by citing verses and traditions that doctrinally mandate and approve of violence towards non-believers."
The root of all evil is religion itself. People who believe in god are by definition irrational and suggestible.
There are two main reasons people denormalize. One is that they are using artificial keys. It's become all too common to use increasing integers and guids. This leads to...
Not carrying the keys to related tables. If there is a relation four tables deep (customers, invoices, lineitems for example) then the table at the end needs to carry all the keys of all the parent tables.
I know many people will disagree with those points I found that it's the single biggest cause of umpteen table joins. Sure it takes a lot of room to carry all those keys, sure multi field primary keys are not in fashion anymore but in my opinion it's the only way.
I know for a fact that members of the knesset have called for genocide and ethnic cleansing. I don't know if that counts as "israel" saying those things but I imagine if a US senator called for the destruction of all native americans people would take it pretty seriously.
It's a pretty common place occurance in israel. How many times has a prominent Israeli called for ethnic cleansing? It must happen a couple of times a year.
"No, the difference is INTENT."
Intent? Let's examine intent in terms of saddam and bush.
Both saddam and bush killed lots of innocent civillians in order to subjugate a country to their will. They both faced insurgencies and they both reacted with obcene amounts of violence, torture, massacres and mass bombing inside of cities.
So they both had the same intent, to put down an insurgency.
Intent re palestine and israel?
Israels intent is to subjugate 3.5 million people to their will, to take their land, to expand settlements outside of their borders. Palestenians intent is to gain freedom and human rights and a country.
"Israel will see peace when palestinian's lay down their explosives."
Palestenians will lay down their explosive when they gain their freedom.
Let's not kid ourselves though. There will never be peace in the middle east. God is telling israelis to kill palestenians and to take their land. He is also telling palestenians to kill jews and to take their land. As long as both countries are listening to god there will never be peace.
Killing is a sport over there now. The so called holy land has become satans playground.
"Your paranoia is showing. About the only "freedom" Microsoft is actively trying to curb is the "freedom" to violate copyright[0]."
Ms lobbied very hard for the DMCA. If you think the only thing at stake here is copyright violation then you are still sleeping.
""IT" has only been a significant part of "civilisation" for - at a stretch - thirty years (realistically, closer to ten)."
Clearly we have different viewpoints about the importance of IT in the modern world.
"I also feel compelled to point out that Microsoft has been one of the key factors in making "IT" so important in the first place. By pretty much any objective measure, Microsoft is *great* for IT."
Nonsense. More great actual and potential technologies have died because of Ms then for any other reason. Ms kills innovation.
"but there are so many bigger, worthier targets than Microsoft out there it's just not funny (even if you restrict yourself to the area of "Intellectual Property" based corporations)."
I disagree. Take out Ms and the whole thing comes crumbling down. Ms is the richest and most powerful company in IT and one of the most powerful companies in the world. Other then a few oil companies and walmart (all various degrees of evil) it's Ms.
It's true that tobacco kills lots of people a year. They are near the top of the list for me. Ms is not a threat to humans, it's a threat to humanity. The ability to communicate freely, to pass information from one generation to another, from one human to another is what separates humans from the animals. Ms is actively trying to curb this freedom and working in close partnerships with others who want to curb this freedom.
On another point IT is arguably the most imporant industry on the planet. It is literally the glue that holds modern civiliation together. Ms is bad for IT, Ms is bad for civilization.
I usually spell it micro-soft. Sometimes I write Ms. When I am talking to a fanboi or a shill I type M$ that really seems to piss them off to no end.
It's true however that they are amongst the least ethical companies around.
What the??? You are upset because some corporations name was intercapped? Are you going to go into apoplexy every time somebody intercaps some corporations name?
What kind of an insane person cares about that?
What if it decides to shut your windows down because it's not genuine?
So if wage war, and you win, then it's OK for you keep the land you got.
OK, I'll buy that. Every country does that. When china invaded tibet and taiwan they were perfectly within their rights to keep that land.
Here is the odd thing though. Civilized nations eventually make the people they conquered citizens. We did it with the indians, the chinese did it with the tibetians, the turks did it with the kurds, hell the iraqis did it with the kurds. Every civilized nation has done that eventually except israel of course.
Sure you won the land fair and square. Now do the civilized thing and give those poeple full and fair rights and benefits just like all your other citizens.
No muslim would ever claim god talked to them. it's against their religion.
"Osama, Saddam, and Kim jung il are most definitely pathalogical maniacs. To think of them as merely "different" is the height of moral equivalence."
This is the most irrational thing I have heard in a long time.
As for moral equavalence I think that's a bad road to follow. There is plenty of moral equavalence between bush and saddam. They have both killed civillians, they have both tortured people, they have both bombed and destroyed citites. The only difference is in volume and methods. That's it. In fact in terms of number of civillians killed Bush probably has an edge by now.
Let's take a look at moral equavalence in Israel and palestine. One side kills people in order to continue their subjugation and occupation, the other side kills people trying to gain their freedom and shake off their opressors. No equavalence there. The palestenians are in a clearly morally superior position.
You I guess I don't think it's bad that people die. They are going to die eventually anyway what a few years more or less. Let's face it most people aren't going to do anything all that great in their remaining years anyway.
My father was supposed to die many years ago. The doctors permormed miracles and brought him back from the edge of death. But he is not the man he used to be. He suffers from many disabilities as a result of his illness and the operation used to save him. He is continually miserable too. He is my father, when he finally dies I am going to be profoundly sad and it's going to change my life but I still think he should have died back then. I don't believe in god and I don't think he is going to heaven or hell. I just think it was a mistake to force him to live when his body had given out, just to resurrect him as a crippled and sad old man. I hate seeing him this way and I have made sure I have a living will so that I will never be in his position either.
Supposedly Kruschev was insane too. The problem is that we all think that people who disagree with us are insane (they would have to be right? No sane person could disagree with us). Saddam was not and is not insane. Osama is not insane. They guys running Iran are not insane. Kim jung il is not insane. They are perfectly sane people. They may think differently then you, they may want different things then you but they are not insane.
As for Israel I think the best way to get elected in israel and to best way to move up in the polls or to distract the public from your scandals is to kill arabs. That's what their politicians do. I am not saying it's insane, that's just what they do to stay in power.
Having said all that I sometimes think Bush is indeed insane. You know "you talk to god you are religous, god talks to you then you are insane" thing.
"Israel hasn't ever expressed any interest in attacking or destroying another country. "
Except palestine, iraq, iran, syria, and lebanon. You know... Their neighbors. Oh and egypt too but that they have kissed and made up.
"MAD works only when the leaders are rational. The leaders of Iran have shown themselves not to be."
Neither have the leaders of Israel. Maybe MAD would also work when both parties are insane murderous.
Yes it's very important to remember that.
1) People who disagree with you are zealots. Only zealots can possibly disagree with your obviously rational and well thought out opinions.
2) People who hold other values then you are doing it because they think it's a religion. You (and the people who agree with you 100%) are the only rational people on the planet.