"Tough shit. Want a free Java? Write one yourself. Want Sun to give you one? Explain to them in their terms why they should."
Because open source languages such as php, perl, python, ruby and C# are eating into your market share every day. People have already abandoned java for most web applications and it never even got off the ground on the desktop.
Finally Sun does not make any money off of java. They have said so themselves.
"very much see the merit of keeping it closed. I agree that keeping it closed does prevent forking, which would be a bad thing for Java (it's a bad thing for most software projects). I merely suggest that the benefits of opening it will outweight the risks. "
Microsoft already forked java and called it C#. Now C# is evolving faster then Java and is making serious inroads into the java development market. Furthermore there are at least two open source implementations of java. So there are three forks right there.
Being closed source has not prevented anybody from forking java. Whats more being open sourced has not caused python, ruby, php, perl, ocaml, or haskell to fork.
I don't know where people get this meme from really. It makes no sense at all.
I just installed ubuntu PPC on a mac mini and it didn't come with java. Sun does not offer a java which runs on PPC. You have to go and download the java from IBM and then install backported libraries, mess with alternatives by hand, and much with your bashrc just to install java so you can run a java program.
"ink. One link. Education was never mentioned. Ownership of passports was, but that doesn't say much about education."
I gave you two links. One talked about passports the other one about education levels and income. You chose not to be exposed to information which contradicts your zealotly held beliefs.
"Boy, you're just making up stuff now."
Are all liberterians as stupid as you? I bet you are one of those people who call themselves liberterians because you are too ashamed to say you are a republican. Either way though you are a republitard. That's somebody who believes things that have no basis in reality.
"All of those other things, those are acts. "
Those are all results of conservative idealism. Josef Stalin was not a liberal. Pol Pot was not a liberal. These people were conservatives who were anti intellectual just like most republicans today.
"Even so, I didn't bring it up for shock value."
So why did you bring it up then? You still haven't told me.
"Hahaha. You're so smart to be able to turn "republican" into "republitard." Where did you come up with that clever one? Anyway, I'm very well educated, and, again, I'm not Republican. You just decided that I was because you wanted to fight."
You are a republitard. I made that name up by the way. A republitard is somebody who believes things that are factually wrong and can easily be demonstrated to be so. A republitard refuses to absorb any information which contradicts their rigidly held beliefs. I think that fits you perfectly.
"So, what are you mad at me for again? Aside from being Republican... which I'm not."
I am mad at you for being a republitard. I am mad at you because you and republitards like you are a source of shame and embarassment for my country. People like you give all americans a bad name. few rotten apples and all that. It is because of you and your ilk that this country is where it is.
SO you have chosen to ignore the links I sent you and now went back into your dream world where the republican/fascist are for less taxes and want to cut spending. The fact that you have swallowed this lie hook line and sinker shows exactly how much of a zealot you are. Even a cursory study of republican administrations shows that they don't shrink the govt and yet you continue to believe that they do. In fact the govt ran shrank under the clinton administration and grew under the bush administration.
As for communism why even bring it up? I didn't bring up fascism when talking about republicans why do you bring up communism when talking about democrats? According to you communism is a liberal idea well crusades, inquisitions, ethnic cleansing, genocide are conservative ideas. I didn't bring those up and yet you reflexively reached for the communist word. That tells me everything I need to know about you.
There is only word that describes people like you: Republitard.
"No, haven't they already said that? Like hundreds of times? And does it really matter?"
Well they say a lot things and then contradict themselves. They also say java is already open sourced as they define open source. Sun executives don't live on the same planet as you and I do. They make up their own definitions as they go along. Here is a nice diagram of sun's strategy.
Does it matter? I think it does. I mean I just tried for a couple of days to get java 1.5 loaded on to ubuntu PPC. Is there a reason why it has to be so difficult? Doesn't it help Java programmers if the JRE and the JDK can be redistributed freely.
Of course not. Nobody considers themselves ignorant, smelly, racist, bad driver or humorless do they?
It's not my job to hunt down every single piece of research done on voting patterns of people in different demographics. I showed you two simple and straightforward google searches that anybody could have done in one minute or less and confirm my points.
I find it highly unlikely that somebody who hangs out at slashdot is incapable of similar googling so that only leaves unwillingness to be exposed to facts which don't fit your ideology. In other words wilfull ignorance.
I suppose Compaq owns VMS now due to their purchase of Digital. They are probably milking the "legacy" customers like CA does and they will milk them for years. It would be nice if they open sourced it though. I mean if Sun can open source solaris compaq can open source VMS.
You need to learn how to search. You can't keep going through life being so wilfully ignorant. It will bite you in the end. Type this into google "voting patterns of people with degrees". Here is a quote for you.
" In the process, some of the nation's best educated and highest income communities have become Democratic bastions, and some of the nation's poorest white counties -- especially in southern border states -- have turned into GOP strongholds.
In 2000, the voters in 17 out of 25 of the nation's most affluent counties -- all with high percentages of people with advanced degrees -- cast majorities for Al Gore, sometimes by more than 70 percent.
In nine out of the 10 poorest counties in Kentucky, for example, places where the Democratic Party of Harry S. Truman ran roughshod over Republican adversaries, George W. Bush won, frequently by margins the mirror image of Gore's in the nation's richest and best educated counties.
These new voting patterns are changing the composition of the House. According to a study by the National Committee for an Effective Congress of the 88 congressional districts that shifted from Democrat to Republican from 1994 to 2000, 59 had average incomes below the national norm, and in 68, the percentage of residents with college degrees was below the national average.
Conversely, of the 46 seats that went from Republican to Democratic, 29 were districts that had higher than average incomes. "
Seems weird especially for a christian. What they are admitting is that the animal actually made a conscience and moral decision to have sex with a human and must be punished as a human. Christians don't normally recognize animals as having souls. We are supposed to have dominion over them.
In this case Bush is unable to wield his power because that would backfire on him. He could not even walk out. What he will do instead is to release the dogs of war on him and let the talk radio/fox news wage war on him. Lucky for Colbert he can win that fight with one hand behind his back.
The nightmare scenario for colbert is that a few freepers will take the fatwah declared against him seriously and put a bullet in his head. All it takes is one freeper with a gun and the dogs of war know how to push their buttons.
Don't worry there isn't a virus. The article says there will be one because apple switched to intel. That makes sense right?
BTW. RE your sig. I think it's amusing to quote from religious texts. My favorite is where the bible says to kill adulterers, homosexuals, people who have sex with their daughter in laws (and their daughter in law), all three people in a manage a trois if the manage trois involves a daughter and a mother, and of course all parties in any kind of beastality.
That last one kind of makes me mad though. I mean if you want to off some homosexuals fine but why punish the poor animal just because some pervert molested it?
You were not looking. If you did you would have found them. It's not just one study. People have very carefully studied the voting habits of every niche of people they can define. Political parties do this constantly so there are hundreds of studies done to see how a group of people vote.
That took me all of 30 seconds. You are telling me you were not able to find that artice at all? What kind of searches were you doing?
"As for the IT set, anecdotal experience indicates that there are more libertarians than the general populace, but not necessarily more Socialists/Communists/Democrats, which would be the more liberal on the fiduciary front."
Well as soon as use the word communist to describe people who disagree with you the argument is pretty much over. You need to hang out at free republic with like minded people. You know the ones who go around saying "hitlery" and "demoncrat".
"I hate to use this terrible phrase, but slashdot has a liberal bias - it draws a multinational, technological crowd, all of whom are more liberal than the mainstream American."
Yes. Studies show that people who are educated, who read nespapers and get news from diverse sources, people who have passports (only 20% of Americans), people who travel, people who speak more then one language, people who are in the IT industry tend to be liberals.
But hey it's a big internet. There is always the free republic if you want to hear the other side. At least nobody here anywhere nearly as bad as your average freeper.
LOL what a fecking republitard. Hey buddy you know why his rating is in the pits? Let me tell the you real reason. Whe he started the war I made a doll resembling him out of straw. Then I stuck a needle in that doll every month. Not only has this act driven Bush's popularity into the pits it's also prevented an attack by Al-quada in the US. Has Al Quada attacked us? well then it works!.
Although religious nutbags are not the only ones who vote republican they all vote republican. If Jesus ran as a democrat the religious nutbags would vote against him.
Who else votes for the republicans? Mostly idiots who believe the republicans when they say they are for fiscal responsiblity and smaller govt despite the fact that the only presients who ever shrank the govt in my lifetime were democrats and even Carter ran the economy better then Bush.
So there you have it, religious nutbags and idiots. Alas there are too many of them in the country.
Same with Iran. I remember when we overthrew the democratically elected leader and installed the shah as a dictator. Now we are mad because they are not a democracy anymore.
Have you even read the GPL? It certainly doesn't seem like it. YOu can ship any version you want. You can ship a windows version if you want. All you have to do is to GPL your code or rewrite the stuff you linked in.
Really just read the license. It's pretty clear. If you hate the FSF so much then it's probably best not to use any GPLed code. Don't link against it, don't incorporate it into your own code. There is lots of code available under the BSD and public domain just use that instead.
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Maybe it's a homonym for "wheee!".
"Tough shit. Want a free Java? Write one yourself. Want Sun to give you one? Explain to them in their terms why they should."
Because open source languages such as php, perl, python, ruby and C# are eating into your market share every day. People have already abandoned java for most web applications and it never even got off the ground on the desktop.
Finally Sun does not make any money off of java. They have said so themselves.
"very much see the merit of keeping it closed. I agree that keeping it closed does prevent forking, which would be a bad thing for Java (it's a bad thing for most software projects). I merely suggest that the benefits of opening it will outweight the risks. "
Microsoft already forked java and called it C#. Now C# is evolving faster then Java and is making serious inroads into the java development market. Furthermore there are at least two open source implementations of java. So there are three forks right there.
Being closed source has not prevented anybody from forking java. Whats more being open sourced has not caused python, ruby, php, perl, ocaml, or haskell to fork.
I don't know where people get this meme from really. It makes no sense at all.
See my other post about trying to install java on a PPC linux. It's not write once run anywhere, not even close.
I just installed ubuntu PPC on a mac mini and it didn't come with java. Sun does not offer a java which runs on PPC. You have to go and download the java from IBM and then install backported libraries, mess with alternatives by hand, and much with your bashrc just to install java so you can run a java program.
So much for write once run anywhere.
"ink. One link. Education was never mentioned. Ownership of passports was, but that doesn't say much about education."
I gave you two links. One talked about passports the other one about education levels and income. You chose not to be exposed to information which contradicts your zealotly held beliefs.
"Boy, you're just making up stuff now."
Are all liberterians as stupid as you? I bet you are one of those people who call themselves liberterians because you are too ashamed to say you are a republican. Either way though you are a republitard. That's somebody who believes things that have no basis in reality.
"All of those other things, those are acts. "
Those are all results of conservative idealism. Josef Stalin was not a liberal. Pol Pot was not a liberal. These people were conservatives who were anti intellectual just like most republicans today.
"Even so, I didn't bring it up for shock value."
So why did you bring it up then? You still haven't told me.
"Hahaha. You're so smart to be able to turn "republican" into "republitard." Where did you come up with that clever one? Anyway, I'm very well educated, and, again, I'm not Republican. You just decided that I was because you wanted to fight."
You are a republitard. I made that name up by the way. A republitard is somebody who believes things that are factually wrong and can easily be demonstrated to be so. A republitard refuses to absorb any information which contradicts their rigidly held beliefs. I think that fits you perfectly.
"So, what are you mad at me for again? Aside from being Republican... which I'm not."
I am mad at you for being a republitard. I am mad at you because you and republitards like you are a source of shame and embarassment for my country. People like you give all americans a bad name. few rotten apples and all that. It is because of you and your ilk that this country is where it is.
You have explained why it's good for sun to have a closed source java. Can you explain to us why it's good for the java developers?
SO you have chosen to ignore the links I sent you and now went back into your dream world where the republican/fascist are for less taxes and want to cut spending. The fact that you have swallowed this lie hook line and sinker shows exactly how much of a zealot you are. Even a cursory study of republican administrations shows that they don't shrink the govt and yet you continue to believe that they do. In fact the govt ran shrank under the clinton administration and grew under the bush administration.
As for communism why even bring it up? I didn't bring up fascism when talking about republicans why do you bring up communism when talking about democrats? According to you communism is a liberal idea well crusades, inquisitions, ethnic cleansing, genocide are conservative ideas. I didn't bring those up and yet you reflexively reached for the communist word. That tells me everything I need to know about you.
There is only word that describes people like you: Republitard.
"No, haven't they already said that? Like hundreds of times? And does it really matter?"
Well they say a lot things and then contradict themselves. They also say java is already open sourced as they define open source. Sun executives don't live on the same planet as you and I do. They make up their own definitions as they go along. Here is a nice diagram of sun's strategy.
Does it matter? I think it does. I mean I just tried for a couple of days to get java 1.5 loaded on to ubuntu PPC. Is there a reason why it has to be so difficult? Doesn't it help Java programmers if the JRE and the JDK can be redistributed freely.
So in your world there are the democrats/communists and the republicans/facists right?
"I don't consider myself willfully ignorant. I"
Of course not. Nobody considers themselves ignorant, smelly, racist, bad driver or humorless do they?
It's not my job to hunt down every single piece of research done on voting patterns of people in different demographics. I showed you two simple and straightforward google searches that anybody could have done in one minute or less and confirm my points.
I find it highly unlikely that somebody who hangs out at slashdot is incapable of similar googling so that only leaves unwillingness to be exposed to facts which don't fit your ideology. In other words wilfull ignorance.
But hey what do I know, I am a communist right?
I suppose Compaq owns VMS now due to their purchase of Digital. They are probably milking the "legacy" customers like CA does and they will milk them for years. It would be nice if they open sourced it though. I mean if Sun can open source solaris compaq can open source VMS.
You need to learn how to search. You can't keep going through life being so wilfully ignorant. It will bite you in the end. Type this into google "voting patterns of people with degrees". Here is a quote for you.
" In the process, some of the nation's best educated and highest income communities have become Democratic bastions, and some of the nation's poorest white counties -- especially in southern border states -- have turned into GOP strongholds.
In 2000, the voters in 17 out of 25 of the nation's most affluent counties -- all with high percentages of people with advanced degrees -- cast majorities for Al Gore, sometimes by more than 70 percent.
In nine out of the 10 poorest counties in Kentucky, for example, places where the Democratic Party of Harry S. Truman ran roughshod over Republican adversaries, George W. Bush won, frequently by margins the mirror image of Gore's in the nation's richest and best educated counties.
These new voting patterns are changing the composition of the House. According to a study by the National Committee for an Effective Congress of the 88 congressional districts that shifted from Democrat to Republican from 1994 to 2000, 59 had average incomes below the national norm, and in 68, the percentage of residents with college degrees was below the national average.
Conversely, of the 46 seats that went from Republican to Democratic, 29 were districts that had higher than average incomes. "
Just like ethnic cleansing and mass murder are the extreme of right wing politics. What's your point?
Seems weird especially for a christian. What they are admitting is that the animal actually made a conscience and moral decision to have sex with a human and must be punished as a human. Christians don't normally recognize animals as having souls. We are supposed to have dominion over them.
Weird, but then again it's religion.
In this case Bush is unable to wield his power because that would backfire on him. He could not even walk out. What he will do instead is to release the dogs of war on him and let the talk radio/fox news wage war on him. Lucky for Colbert he can win that fight with one hand behind his back.
The nightmare scenario for colbert is that a few freepers will take the fatwah declared against him seriously and put a bullet in his head. All it takes is one freeper with a gun and the dogs of war know how to push their buttons.
Don't worry there isn't a virus. The article says there will be one because apple switched to intel. That makes sense right?
BTW. RE your sig. I think it's amusing to quote from religious texts. My favorite is where the bible says to kill adulterers, homosexuals, people who have sex with their daughter in laws (and their daughter in law), all three people in a manage a trois if the manage trois involves a daughter and a mother, and of course all parties in any kind of beastality.
That last one kind of makes me mad though. I mean if you want to off some homosexuals fine but why punish the poor animal just because some pervert molested it?
You were not looking. If you did you would have found them. It's not just one study. People have very carefully studied the voting habits of every niche of people they can define. Political parties do this constantly so there are hundreds of studies done to see how a group of people vote.
1 /overseas_voting/index.html (watch out for slashdot mangling).
For example when I put in the phrase "voting habits of people with passports" the second link was this URL http://dir.salon.com/story/tech/feature/2004/09/2
That took me all of 30 seconds. You are telling me you were not able to find that artice at all? What kind of searches were you doing?
"As for the IT set, anecdotal experience indicates that there are more libertarians than the general populace, but not necessarily more Socialists/Communists/Democrats, which would be the more liberal on the fiduciary front."
Well as soon as use the word communist to describe people who disagree with you the argument is pretty much over. You need to hang out at free republic with like minded people. You know the ones who go around saying "hitlery" and "demoncrat".
"ESR certainly seems to like guns."
Yes he is a liberterian. So?
"I hate to use this terrible phrase, but slashdot has a liberal bias - it draws a multinational, technological crowd, all of whom are more liberal than the mainstream American."
Yes. Studies show that people who are educated, who read nespapers and get news from diverse sources, people who have passports (only 20% of Americans), people who travel, people who speak more then one language, people who are in the IT industry tend to be liberals.
But hey it's a big internet. There is always the free republic if you want to hear the other side. At least nobody here anywhere nearly as bad as your average freeper.
LOL what a fecking republitard. Hey buddy you know why his rating is in the pits? Let me tell the you real reason. Whe he started the war I made a doll resembling him out of straw. Then I stuck a needle in that doll every month. Not only has this act driven Bush's popularity into the pits it's also prevented an attack by Al-quada in the US. Has Al Quada attacked us? well then it works!.
Although religious nutbags are not the only ones who vote republican they all vote republican. If Jesus ran as a democrat the religious nutbags would vote against him.
Who else votes for the republicans? Mostly idiots who believe the republicans when they say they are for fiscal responsiblity and smaller govt despite the fact that the only presients who ever shrank the govt in my lifetime were democrats and even Carter ran the economy better then Bush.
So there you have it, religious nutbags and idiots. Alas there are too many of them in the country.
In addition to the president he took on the sycophantic press. It was a refreshing change from the news coverage you get these days.
Somtimes the truth gets to be so rare that you are shocked and praised for speaking it at a public forum. Sad but true.
Same with Iran. I remember when we overthrew the democratically elected leader and installed the shah as a dictator. Now we are mad because they are not a democracy anymore.
It's open source, if people didn't like it somebody would have forked it by now.
As for me, I have never experienced any of your problems. It gets faster with every release in fact.
Have you even read the GPL? It certainly doesn't seem like it. YOu can ship any version you want. You can ship a windows version if you want. All you have to do is to GPL your code or rewrite the stuff you linked in.
Really just read the license. It's pretty clear. If you hate the FSF so much then it's probably best not to use any GPLed code. Don't link against it, don't incorporate it into your own code. There is lots of code available under the BSD and public domain just use that instead.