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Developers React To 'Wii'

Gamasutra has reactions from game developers to the announcement of the Revolution's new commercial name, 'Wii'. From the article: "It doesn't change my personal opinions of the console in the slightest. It changes my opinion of the Nintendo marketing department considerably. Did they even bother to research this? Why do they do these things? What was wrong with 'Revolution'? It's bad enough that the Japanese have a drink called "Sweat," but at least they don't try to export it to the English-speaking world with that name. Am I supposed to be happy about having to go down to the game store to purchase the 'Nintendo Wee'? For God's sake, where was Miyamoto? I can't believe he would have let this get by. - Ernest Adams"

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  1. Story title misspelled by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 5, Funny

    It should be "Developers React to Uus".

    1. Re:Story title misspelled by Frambooz · · Score: 1

      Thanks for making me spit coffee all across myy desk.

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  2. What a Constructive Mentality! by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let us post some more articles about how stupid the name 'Wii' is.

    Let us ignore the fact that we all like gaming consoles and instead resort to childish puns to evaluate something before it's even released.

    Let the developers (and leaders of developers) proclaim to the world just how stupid this name is so that not only does the public think it's stupid, so do the developers. Think about that, the one group of people that are truly going to determine how this console does is jointly standing up and bashing it before the API is even in their hands. It is within their power to take this console--regardless of its name--and create some truly genuine games with a new controller interface. Before they even start that, they are all communally agreeing that the name is 'stupid.'

    Kind of sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy to me.

    The only two responses I read that defended the name were weak. Did no one stand up and say, "No comment until I've got this thing in my hands and I can really see what it's made of."

    Let us all make fun of Dick Butkus now for his name. Hahahaha, dick. Hahahahah, butt. Get it all out of your system.

    This is sheer madness. I use a piece of software called "The Gimp 2.0" but I have never once heard anyone make fun of it. "Gimp" means disabled where I grew up, why would you call a piece of software 'disabled?' Who cares? No one because it kicks ass and it's a free alternative solution to photoshop.

    It's not like they called it "Engelbert Humperdinck's Genitals" so that when you want to use it you would have to say, "I want to play with Engelbert Humperdinck's genitals now." For crying out loud, "wii," "wee," or "we" all sound the same and the latter is good pun. You hear it how you want to hear it so grow up and stop wanting to hear it as "wee wee."

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    1. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by mcc · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Let us post some more articles about how stupid the name 'Wii' is.
      Why not? It's a stupid name.
      Think about that, the one group of people that are truly going to determine how this console does is jointly standing up and bashing it before the API is even in their hands.
      Surely this demonstrates how big of a mistake Nintendo made here by giving their console a stupid name then, if the name is to some degree alienating the exact people Nintendo needs to reach out to most to make this console work.
      Let us ignore the fact that we all like gaming consoles and instead resort to childish puns to evaluate something before it's even released.
      But the name has already been released. We are in a perfectly good position to evaluate the name at this time.

      It is a stupid name.
    2. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Thyamine · · Score: 1

      I understand your point, but the truth is that marketing and image are important. People _will_ judge by name alone, and while it's certainly not the right way to judge it (as you have pointed out), that's what will happen.

      It also happens that this last week has been 'It's cool to make fun of Wii' so everyone is inundating us with reviews of the name.

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    3. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      Let the developers (and leaders of developers) proclaim to the world just how stupid this name is so that not only does the public think it's stupid, so do the developers.

      I think thats the point. Nintendo will NOT listen to the fans on this one, because they figure they will get over it. But they might listen to the developers who will say. "I refuse to market a game as 'exclusivly for the Wii'". Nintendo might listen to that and change their name.

    4. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Control+Group · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sure, cracking wise about "wee-wee" is immature and and unproductive.

      So would be making fun of a girl named Ima Hooker.

      But if I run into young Ima Hooker, I'm going to assign just as much blame to her parents as to the other kids. It doesn't matter what people should do, it only matters what they actually do, and any native speaker of American English could have told the big N that this name was begging for abuse.

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    5. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Perseid · · Score: 1

      If the system has what many consider to be a stupid name it will damage the product image. Names are important. Everyone knows that.

      Yes, 'wee wee' is a childish pun, but since children are part of the target audience, this matters. If I buy one and the system ends up orphaned over a thing as stupid as it's name, it doesn't matter that the name is a delicious pun that has different meanings in different languages or whatever.

      I'm not saying the system will fail. And if it does it may not be because of its name. But this name can't help. And that's just foolish on Nintendo's part.

    6. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sir, have made an excellent point. Not only is this entire debacle extremely childish, but I just can't help but wonder if... err...

      Um, I'll be right back. I really need to go Wii-Wii.

    7. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Winterblink · · Score: 1

      I don't think anyone's mudslinging the console itself in terms of it's ability to enable developers to create cool games. And I hestitate to say it was a "communal" opinion, since it's more plausible Gamasutra contacted them by email separately rather than fly them into a room together to get their opinions as a group. Like it or not, the name is different. It won't define the types and quality of games that will show up on the console itself, but it does present a lot of challenges to Nintendo to market the hardware. If I were a developer, in all honesty I would stand up for the console itself, but I would probably also have my concerns with Nintendo's ability to market them properly. Butkus and Humperdinck are fine examples to quote of strange and humorous names, but notice that nobody names products after it. If Humperdinck started his career *today*, no producer would take him unless he came up with a stage name. He'd be unmarketable otherwise.

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    8. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      The whole point is that from a PR point of view Revolution was a name that made a statement and sounded cool. Wii does neither of these things. It's a stupid name that will drive away many gamers from even considering buying one. Given Wii's less than stellar power it's primary chance for excitement was in the revolution of the new controller and game interactions. How many people are going to rush out and buy an underpowered system named Wii? It sounds like a kids toy. What are they trying to compete with? VTech's Smile consoles for little kids? Unless that's really the market they are trying for the name Wii is a marketing tragedy. Teenage boys aren't going to want a Wii.

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    9. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Gulthek · · Score: 1

      Surely this demonstrates how big of a mistake Nintendo made here by giving their console a stupid name then, if the name is to some degree alienating the exact people Nintendo needs to reach out to most to make this console work.

      Nintendo doesn't need to reach out to the game news reading segment of the population. Nintendo is trying to reach out to people who have never played video games before. By my empirical examinations 'Wii' as a product name is a big hit for this group. And you can't beat the tagline: "Wii will change everything."

    10. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Kaimelar · · Score: 4, Informative

      If Humperdinck started his career *today*, no producer would take him unless he came up with a stage name. He'd be unmarketable otherwise.

      The funny thing is, Engelbert Humperdinck is a stage name! The singer's given name is Arnold Dorsey. (Eddie Izzard taught me that.) He chose a silly-sounding name and had a successful career . . . perhaps Nintendo's new console will have similar fortune.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engelbert_Humperdinck _(singer)

    11. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Imagine for a second that you've never heard of the Nintendo Revolution. One day, while watching TV, you see a commercial for a dog petting game available for something called Wii. The next day, Oprah gives a this Wii system to all the members of her audience with something called Brain Training. The day after, you read in your local paper that Nintendo has a new game system called Wii, and it's very fun and simple to use.

      Nintendo didn't make a mistake when they changed the name to Wii, they simply chose something that will stick in people's minds because of its odd spelling. They want to create a name similar to iPod or Walkman (both of which also sound ridiculous when examined up close). With a proper marketing campaign, people who are not gamers will be aware of a device called Wii and will want to buy it. When they enter the store and the clerk points them to the PS3 or XBox 360, the new gamer will not go for them because they want the Walkman or iPod of game systems.

      And while gamers may be disappointed that it's not called something cool like Super GameBox Revolution Extreme 720, but they'll still buy the system if there are good games for it.

    12. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      [...]It is within their power to take this console--regardless of its name--and create some truly genuine games with a new controller interface. Before they even start that, they are all communally agreeing that the name is 'stupid.'

      That's because it is stupid.

      Kind of sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy to me.

      Kind of sounds like Nintendo brought it on themselves, to me.

      Let us all make fun of Dick Butkus now for his name. Hahahaha, dick. Hahahahah, butt. Get it all out of your system.

      If I had a name like that, I'd probably kill my parents. At the very least they should be cited for child abuse.

      This is sheer madness. I use a piece of software called "The Gimp 2.0" but I have never once heard anyone make fun of it.

      Obviously you haven't been paying attention. Maybe it's because you got into the gimp late; people have been making fun of its name since it was announced.

      For crying out loud, "wii," "wee," or "we" all sound the same and the latter is good pun. You hear it how you want to hear it so grow up and stop wanting to hear it as "wee wee."

      We're talking about a product designed first and foremost for children - or else it would also be some kind of media player or something, in order to camoflague it. Furthermore, you are addressing a large audience of people who commonly believe that growing up is a bad thing. At least, growing up completely. After losing innocense, there is no tragedy greater than losing your senses of whimsy and wonder.

      "Wii" is a stupid name. Revolution was much better. Changing from Revolution to Wii is like changing from a Ferrari to a Yugo. You go from slick and sexy (if cliche'd) to CRAP. Nice move, Nintendo.

      If you're going to tell me to grow up, then I'm going to tell you to go piss up a rope, and stop apologizing for Nintendo falling on its ass on this one.

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    13. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by BuCKsWorld · · Score: 1

      And you can't beat the tagline: "Wii will change everything."

      How about "The Revolution will change everything"? Sounds pretty damn good to me.

    14. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Surt · · Score: 1

      I have to say, I always felt bad for that Hoare girl who lived near me. She never got a break.

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    15. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by 14CharUsername · · Score: 1
      Why do we have to wait to see how it performs to pass judgment on the name. Right now its the system with the stupid name. When its released, if it turns out to be an awesome system, then it will be the awesome system with the stupid name.

      The name will always be stupid no matter how good the system is.

      And GIMP is a horrible name, as I've said many times before. I don't generally make fun of disabled people though, so making fun of the name GIMP is kinda hard because of that. But yeah, GIMP is a stupid name. If it were possible to make fun of the name GIMP without making fun of disabled people at the same time you'd hear all kinds of jokes about it I'm sure.

      Also, GNU is a stupid name. Why don't people call it GNU/Linux? Because only people fluent in klingon are able to pronounce "GNU" comfortably.

    16. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      Most men, of any age above about 12, will not want to buy a console called Wii regardless to it's games and especially when the PS3 and XBox 360 are so much more powerful. Nintendo seems to be gambling that children and women will be a better market. Possibly this is true but it's still a gamble and the name could still be a disaster in those markets too as it's not especially a cute or female name either.

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    17. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      GIMP at least is an acronymn. GIMP isn't really the name and the name makes total sense in a very dry geeky way.

      GNU doesn't make as much sense but to be fair it was never really meant as a mass market consumer term. I'll agree with you about GNU/Linux though. I'll always call it just Linux.

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    18. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by MaWeiTao · · Score: 1

      Gimp is an incredibly stupid name. And there is countless software out there with some particular awful names, especially when it comes to emulators. Nesticle and RAPE are two particular gems.

      The key distinction here is that Nintendo presumably spent tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands coming up with the Wii in addition to the logo and all the marketing materials. In addition, Nintendo is competing in a market where perception matters. If people can't even accept the name how will they ever embrace the system.

      The Wii is going to be absolutely amazing for people to get over a name like Wii.

    19. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by arodland · · Score: 4, Funny

      How about "The Revolution will change everything"? Sounds pretty damn good to me.

      I think they changed the name in order to avoid a miscconception that users wouldn't be able to plug it into their TVs -- after all, The Revolution Will Not Be Televised.

    20. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surely this demonstrates how big of a mistake Nintendo made here by giving their console a stupid name then, if the name is to some degree alienating the exact people Nintendo needs to reach out to most to make this console work.

      Which part of Wii is a big mistake, the fact that a week after the announcement they're still getting front page headlines on Slashdot and Google news (without any further announcement)? The fact that it will probably continue until E3? Or possibly the fact that people have had way more fun creating puns with Wii then playing oblivion on their XBox 360?

      It's true, Wii is silly and can have thousands of puns made up using it (something that neither the PS3 or XBox 360 can have) but is that a bad thing? A good marketing department should be able to take this name and have people thinking "Wii Play" or "Size Matters! Pick up the new Wii system from Nintendo." rather than "I Wii with my wee wee".

      The fact is that iPod is an equally bad name, and had a lot of people make fun of it when it was first was announced, and after 6 months no one said "Man, iPod ... What a gay name" they were saying "Man, I want an iPod"

    21. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by arodland · · Score: 1

      There are some of us who really liked Corporal Ima Hooker of the Empress' Own Regiment. But apparently her father was rather a cruel guy.

    22. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Because Revolution is a fresh, new, untired name that people will respond to thinking "No, that's not hype at all."

      Revolution is awful as a product name. I'm glad Nintendo got rid of it, and I can't believe people want it back, regardless of their feelings of what Nintendo settled upon.

      On the other hand, I know people who think the name of a cow is better than something meaning a broad view (Longhorn vs Vista.) I guess it shouldn't surprise me.

      Maybe they'll bring it back as the Revolution Reloaded... ;)

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    23. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by astralbat · · Score: 1

      Would you make the same argument if they called it Nintendo Poo?

    24. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by SkippyDoorknob · · Score: 1
      This is sheer madness. I use a piece of software called "The Gimp 2.0" but I have never once heard anyone make fun of it.
      Obviously you haven't been paying attention. Maybe it's because you got into the gimp late; people have been making fun of its name since it was announced.
      But have you ever heard of anyone who avoided using Gimp simply because of its name?
    25. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by WaywardScythe · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      The men that don't snicker at fart noises or think pull-my-finger gags are funny will still buy one. Those that can't get over the fact that the console is called Wii have bigger issues of maturity to address first.

    26. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you're just a sexiest asshole.

      Wii is a fine name, and I will buy the system no matter what they name it.

      -A 21 Year Old Male

    27. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      But have you ever heard of anyone who avoided using Gimp simply because of its name?

      Not really, but I've heard numerous anecdotes here on slashdot about how people can't use the gimp at various companies because of the name.

      Personally I use paint.net when I don't have photoshop, but then, I use windows on the desktop pretty much exclusively. I'm thinking about changing that on my laptop, but I haven't got around to actually making the change (though I have left space on my hard disk.) I plan to try both ubuntu and the latest FC and see which supports all my hardware, and go with that. I'm waiting for a new ubuntu beta though. The last one misdetects my graphics hardware and freaks things out to the extent that I can't even get a text console. The sad part is that it's just age-old Rage Mobility M3 AGP (Rage Pro) graphics, which ought to be well-supported by now.

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    28. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Kandenshi · · Score: 1

      You think of people with disabilities when you think of the GIMP? I tend to think more of a sex slave... :P http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimp_(sadomasochism)

      Oh well, different strokes for different folks eh? I just don't tend to really hear much in the way of slang like that for people with disabilities up here.

    29. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The only two responses I read that defended the name were weak.

      Well, there you go. Sounds like the name Nintendo chose isn't very defendable.

      I use a piece of software called "The Gimp 2.0" but I have never once heard anyone make fun of it.

      Do you browse Slashdot at +5 or something? I don't think I've ever seen a discussion of The Gimp where it was not mentioned what a terrible name that is, and usually cited as a major reason why the product is far from being the Photoshop-Killer that it could be.

      Names matter. Refraining from saying that a name is stupid doesn't make it any less stupid.

      For crying out loud, "wii," "wee," or "we" all sound the same and the latter is good pun.

      And the middle one is a BAD pun. So that cancels out the good pun, leaving us with only a non-word that not only has no connotations in English, but doesn't even have intuitive pronounciation.

    30. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by chrismcdirty · · Score: 1

      Teenage boys aren't going to want a Wii.

      They already have one. Little girls will be all over it. :P

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    31. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Hast · · Score: 1

      Yes, basically on every article on The GIMP here or on other boards there are people who point out that the name is a problem. Eg if you're going to present it for your boss who isn't a tech-person then selling the name "The GIMP" is going to be harder than "Paint".

      I'm personally not bothered by the name GIMP. OTOH the idea behind that name is more sensible than "wii" IMHO. Really, I bet that they really wanted "we" and then found that it trademarked already and went with the next best thing. Unfortunately no-one who knew English was around to be asked.

      Really, the name "wii" is a really stupid mistake. Someone should be smacked for it.

    32. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by OmgTEHMATRICKS · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Let us all make fun of Dick Butkus [wikipedia.org] now for his name."

      Dick Butkus is different. Nintendo doesn't expect the masses to buy Dick Butkus and use his body to play video games with. I expect, however, that more people would actually like the Nintendo Dick Butkus more than the Nintendo Wii. At least it sounds like the name of some badass, future-noir cyborg detective.

    33. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by mdielmann · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My first impression of the name was "How the hell do you pronounce that?" We? Why? Double-u Two?

      Once I was clear on the pronunciation, my first thought was "Well, kinda goofy, but reminds me of 'Whee!'" You know, the sound people make on a roller coaster, when they're excited or having fun?

      But then, I've never called a part of my anatomy "wee", and it's been a long time since I called my <insert phallic slang here> a "wee wee". Since before I started school. While I wouldn't be surprised that kids would make the connection to such, I doubt it will deter them from buying the console. I think more jokes will fall along the lines of "I'm gonna go home and play with my wii" or, for the (slightly) older crowd "Wanna go to my place and play with my wii?" Lots of laughs, for the first week or two, I'm sure.

      So, why is it a bad name? It's unique, distinctive (read: easily trademarked), and has multiple connotations, none of which are overly offensive and some of which are titillating (hmm, another funny word). And it's been the buzz pretty much everywhere in the gaming world. I wouldn't be surprised if it's touted as one of the most innovative names in the gaming world a couple years from now.

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    34. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I kid you not, there was a girl at my high school whose last name was Moredick. :-/ At least they didn't give her a first name that exacerbated things. Then there's one of my coworkers, Anthony Hill. He sometimes goes by "Ant" for short.

    35. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      So every guy that doesn't want to own a sports car or off-road vehicle.. that leaves maybe 10% of the market? You can deny it if you want but the majority of men suffer from needing to feel macho.

      I'd probably still buy one but I can see that a lot of guys wouldn't.

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    36. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Like it or not, someone obviously ignored the fact that "Wii" is a homonym for "wee", which is synonymous in the English langue for uriniation, as in "I gotta go to the bath room and go wee-wee".

      Really, what is a *primary* market for this in North America? Young, adolescent boys.
      I just have a hard time seeing one of these kids saying, "Want to come over and play with my Wii?"

      Perhaps they were being smart: "Wii" -> "We" or "Whee!"

      Either way, which one is going to be an easier sell? Playstation or Wii?

      Time will tell.

    37. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Serengeti · · Score: 1

      "Let us ignore the fact that we all like gaming consoles and instead resort to childish puns to evaluate something before it's even released."

      Yeah... cuz we can't possibly guess how effective the name of a system is until we have all actually played on it. We're not judging the book here, we're judging the cover.

    38. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Didn't you mean:
      Most "men" under twelve will not buy a console called Wii (but will play it when they parents do and have fun with it).
    39. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by krotkruton · · Score: 1

      There is a difference between saying that a name is stupid and saying that a system is stupid.

    40. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Epistax · · Score: 1

      Dick Butkus
      That's funny on so many levels. Let's examine.

      Taboo Body Parts: Not only have we the butt, quite possibility the funniest part of the body due to it's shape, and hysterical genre of gags which originate from it, but also we have the dick, which swings to and fro so jolly. Yes, this name combines two separate funny parts, but that's not all.

      A dick and a butt implies, at this second level, a naked male. Naked men are either funny or disgusting, depending on hair, perhaps facial expression, and the quantity of food involved. Since disgusting is another word for misinterpreted hilariousness, we can eliminate that part all together and revel in what remains: pure comedy.

      Now that "kus" looks benign but when combined with But, we have what can easily be pronounced as Butt Kiss, creating a delightful image as is often enjoyed as an insult. To have a name that is an insult surely gives us a 3rd level of wholesome goodness. Kiss my butt too!

      The fourth and final utter joy to be extracted from this name is done with further research from the second level. If you look at the name, you'll see dick and butt are quite close indicating, you guessed it, gay! Gay is a widely used and respected comical tool, even enjoyed by the great Shakespeare (ever seen 12th Night?).

      We have four clear levels of hilarity. If you're ever feeling down, just yell the name and drown your sorrows is this, the finest of all comedy.

      Thank you parent, for giving me a chance to journey with people through the name.

    41. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by wrecked · · Score: 1
      You raised a good point with Dick Butkus; reminded me of Dick Assman, made famous on the Letterman show.

      The latter shows that with enough hype, even a name with seriously negative connotations can become an advantage. Look at Assman, an ordinary guy working at a Saskatchewan gas station; the guys at the Letterman show turned his ridiculous, "what were his parents thinking" name into a marketing asset (no pun intended), and made a celebrity out of him.

    42. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      You mean: The men who are interested in video games that don't snicker at fart noises or think pull-my-finger gags are funny will still buy one. (bold addition mine)

      Remind me to dump any shares of Nintendo ... because that is a very small market they have left. I'm not trying to insult intelligent people who play console games, but you have to realize that you're outnumbered by 14-year-olds, rednecks, and retards by a substantial margin. Have you been down to EA Games lately?

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    43. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meh...This is when they reveal that they've been developing another version of the console (a la Microsoft's Premium and Core 360s) that includes HD support, a 500GB harddrive, and a sextuple SLI video card that requires it's own miniature generator for power. The cute cuddly version will be called the Wii, and they'll use the Revolution for the behemoth.

    44. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Kimos · · Score: 1
      This is sheer madness. I use a piece of software called "The Gimp 2.0" but I have never once heard anyone make fun of it. "Gimp" means disabled where I grew up, why would you call a piece of software 'disabled?' Who cares? No one because it kicks ass and it's a free alternative solution to photoshop.
      Oh really? I know one person who refuses to use the software profesionally because it is a slang term for disabled.

      People do care. That's why there's so much thought put into names. They're important.
    45. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      Developers are fully justified in complaining about Nintendo's stupidity with respect to how they market their game console. If your development schedule for the next two years is jam-packed with titles set to release exclusively on the Wii, your company's livelihood depends on the Wii selling well. So if Nintendo drops the ball, they aren't the only ones to lose - the developers do, too. And so the developers complain.

      The Wii could be the console system to end all consoles, with the user interface to end all user interfaces (and all universal remotes as well). But if nobody buys it because the name is dumb, none of that matters.

      As for The Gimp, nobody's livelihood depends on The Gimp selling well, because it's free. The authors can call it whatever they want, and if nobody uses the software, who cares. They're still putting food on the table with their real jobs, even if everyone opts to use Photoshop instead of Gimp just because of the name.

      By the way - Wii for "we" isn't a good pun. The only place that pun has been even remotely successful is on the television network "We", in which the word is an acronym for Women's Entertainment. And if you happen to be in the target demographic for the Wii, then We totally sucks ass.

    46. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Parham · · Score: 1

      I don't care for the name either. As long as it's preceded by "Nintendo" and I can recognize it as a Nintendo product, it doesn't really matter. It's only a name used to label the product; the name by no means has any effect on how good of a console it's going to be. I'm still going to buy it regardless of what they name it. Sooner or later these consoles were going to run out of good revolutionary (LOL) names to use, I'm glad Nintendo was the first one to step out and choose something unique with some meaning (check out their website for the explanation).

    47. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by MadHatter2005 · · Score: 1

      In my high school class there were three, yes three girls with crazy names: Sara Cuda Bunny Butt Heather Greathead Just my meaningless contribution to the thread.

    48. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by sesshomaru · · Score: 1

      JERRY: Seven? Yeah, I guess I could see it. Seven. Seven periods of

      school, seven beatings a day. Roughly seven stitches a beating, and eventually

      seven years to life. Yeah, you're doing that child quite a service.

      GEORGE: (adamant) Yes I am. I defy you to come up with a better name

      than Seven.

      Jerry walks toward the kitchen. He sees an item on the counter.

      JERRY: Awright, let's see. How about Mug? (picks up the mug) Mug

      Costanza, that's original. (he turns and sees another item) Or uh, Ketchup?

      Pretty name for a girl.

      GEORGE: Alright, you having a good time there?

      Jerry is in the kitchen, and opens a cupboard. His eyes run over the

      array of good within.

      JERRY: I got fifty right here in the cupboard. How about Bisquik?

      Pimento. Gherkin. Sauce. Maxwell House.

      GEORGE: (shouts) Awright already!! This is a very key issue with me,

      Jerry. I had this name for a long time.

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    49. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you.
      The scoffing I hear in regards to the Wii remind me of a shitty college psych class.
      The apes sitting behind me couldn't wait to make a joke, their flapping, jabbering maws so ready to har-har whatever came out of the teacher's mouth, so desperate to convince each other as to how witty they all are.
      Save the routines for open-mic night at Hilarities.
      Naming something important to you is hard.
      Let's see what this console can actually do before we get all pissed off and indignant.

    50. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by jo42 · · Score: 1

      I name thee "Nintendo Tinkle".

    51. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Golias · · Score: 1

      You think of people with disabilities when you think of the GIMP? I tend to think more of a sex slave.

      Either way, it makes it very difficult when your mom or your boss asks you to reccomend a good free image editor.

      The person who came up with that name should be foreced into a cage and beaten with a hose while their screams are muffled by a ball gag or perhaps a rubber mask that zips shut over the mouth.

      Just sayin' is all.

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    52. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You hear it how you want to hear it so grow up and stop wanting to hear it as "wee wee."

      You don't get it, do you?

      If Wii is a great success and people buy a lot of it, the other businesses will pick the trend and start naming their products in the same fashion. It happens every time.

      Do you really want to hear about the release of XBox Puu or PlayStation Bolls?

      When people start accepting those names, bolder, more graphical themes will be explored so the products can set themselves apart from the competition. In time this will without doubt bring the morale of the society down and ultimately lead us to the destruction of the human race...

      So this is our only chance to stand up now and voice our opinion, laugh the Wii, laugh I tell you!!!

    53. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Angostura · · Score: 1

      It is a stupid name

      Almost as stupid as the "iPod"

    54. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Engelbert Humperdinck's Genitals"

      Thank you - what an awesome way to start the day! I will now try and compose myself to avoid the strange looks from my wife as sit here bent over my keyboard, stomach aching from laughter.

      And seriously now. Get over it, the name is silly for sure, but lets move on, and wait another 9 days or so for E3 to see what this baby is going to do.

    55. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by lkeagle · · Score: 1

      According to Eddie Izzard, his real name is "Jerry" Dorsey, not "Arnold" Dorsey.

    56. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by aqfire · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, just like that? Well I'm going to buy one, and it's probably going to be a great system, no doubt. But the name is still stupid. And unlike Dick Butkus and Engelbert Humperdinck, "Wii" wasn't chosen by somebody's parents at birth. It was chosen by people who are paid thousands of dollars a year to choose the right name and who should have known better.

    57. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      I don't think even you can deny that the name is getting the piss taken out of it.

    58. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Psyonic · · Score: 1

      While I mainly agree with you on this topic, I do have to say that The Gimp is made fun of all the time here on Slashdot. Almost every time The Gimp is mentioned in an article there is an inevitable comparison between it and Photoshop in the comments, and someone always brings up how ineffective the name is. Not to mention that to Pulp Fiction fans like me it brings up images of a strange man stored in a basement with a black mask over his face. . . not the most pleasant of imagery.

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    59. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by GospelHead821 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I disagree. Everybody is so hung up on how "wee" is a synonym for "urine." I haven't yet seen somebody mention that "wee" is also a synonym for "small." In that regard, it's one of my favourite words. Sure they could be saying that the machine is underpowered, but they could also be saying that it is compact. Leprechauns are wee and I think they're kind of swell. Heck, you could also say that the name sounds like "Whee!" -- something you might shout when you're having fun. I don't know. I had been planning on getting a Revolution before, but the name announcement has rekindled my excitement, because the name sounds like so much fun.

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      Aristotle, Ethica Nichomachea
    60. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Hrothgar+The+Great · · Score: 1

      The word Pod means something. iPod is an odd yet creative description of Apple's product which continues a fairly lengthy tradition of the lowercase i thing they've been doing.

      What in the fuck is a Wii? How is the name in any way similar to the iPod?

    61. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by toph42 · · Score: 1

      I think farts are hilarious, and I still plan to buy a Wii.

    62. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Kaimelar · · Score: 1

      Yes, I know, but I'm going to trust Wikipedia over Eddie Izzard's standup routine on that point. After all, in Dress to Kill he also says that the singer is dead. Or not. :-)

    63. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by BinaryOpty · · Score: 1

      If someone won't use a well-working, free program because of its name then they're retarded. If they won't use it because they've tried it and they think Photoshop's better at least they have a valid reason then.

    64. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by AeroIllini · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...and any native speaker of American English could have told the big N that this name was begging for abuse.

      Sometimes even the native English speakers don't get it.

      When I was in high school, the school district I lived in (Indian Prairie School District in the Chicago suburbs) was building a new high school. When it came time to name it, the name the school board came up with, and were in near-unanimous agreement on, was "Indian Prairie High School." It took one of the board member's kids to start laughing when their parents told them what the name would be for the name to even be questioned. Even then, some of the board members didn't get it, and it had to be explained. ("I. P. High? No, I pee low.")

      My point is that sometimes the people in charge of naming things have lost their sense of "fourth grade toilet humor", and even when confronted with the jokes and puns will still not get it. These people need to have someone (like a son or daughter) to run things past before final decisions are made, especially for products that will be used primarily by people under the age of 21, which is Nintendo's primary market.

      That being said, even without the obvious puns inherent in "Wii", it sounds far too overmarketed to me. The name of a console shouldn't have ten layers of meaning, as the marketers were trying to accomplish ("You get it? Wii sounds like "we", which means group, and the two "i"s together look like two people gaming together, and the dots are like the controllers, and the "W" stands for upended mountains, or maybe a big saw or something, but the people are next to it having fun, not under it getting crushed, and that means collaboration and team play, and..."). Names should evoke a certain sense of the object they represent, be easy to pronounce and spell, and sound good next to the name of the company. Nothing more.

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    65. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't know if you can see me from way up there on your high horse, but I'm waving...
      In all honesty, 'Dick Butkus' is a monumentally stupid name; 'Richard Butkus' is a great deal better. I know of a Richard Bender and he was *always* called 'Richard'.
      'Wii' is a faintly ridiculous name but that might help or hinder how well the console sells, though we won't see the result for some time yet. I hope it's the former as I'll be buying one myself. :)

    66. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've got to agree, the whole iNAME thing is way more retarded than Wii. With iPod being the stupidest of the bunch.

    67. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by LtOcelot · · Score: 0, Troll

      It's a bad name primarily because when pronounced it is neither "unique" nor "distinctive". It's got plenty of buzz, indeed... because this level of stupidity in product naming is noteworthy. When the buzz wears off, the stupid name will remain.

    68. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by pembo13 · · Score: 2

      I actually find it scary that 'Wii' reminds people of 'wee wee' instead of 'weee'.

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      "Thanks for all the money you paid to us. We've used it to buy off ISO among other things" -Microsoft
    69. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      It's a stupid name that deserves to be made fun of, just like the MacBook, for that matter. If the developers don't like it and the potential customers don't like it, you have a bomb on your hands. Rather than wasting time attempting to justify the mistake, find something that people like instead.

      And by the way, people make fun of the name, "Gimp," too. It's another stupid name but everybody pretends not to notice. Of course, it's great if you want to give your detractors an easy label for when you have to explain why you don't have basic things like CMYK support, for example.

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    70. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by IAMTHEMEDIA · · Score: 0

      Whats in a name? Apparently much more then the higher ups in Nintendo antisipated.

    71. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hm, when I was a kid "wee" = "to urinate." Also, "wee" = "quite small." It's not a good small either.

      Then again, my first thought was also "whee," which would make it a pretty good name.

    72. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by atomicstrawberry · · Score: 1

      Whether or not the actual system is good or not is not what is being debated. Changing its name doesn't change the system itself. I don't need to be a 5-star chef to be able to tell when the steak isn't cooked. What is being debated is the choice of the name itself. The name changes our preception of the system, and more importantly, it will make it less attractive to the Joe Sixpacks of the world that Nintendo say they were intending to pitch the system at.

    73. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Stormwatch · · Score: 1
      You know, the sound people make on a roller coaster
      Then maybe it should be called "Nintendo AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!"?
    74. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by loucura! · · Score: 1

      Vous et une transvestite?

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    75. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Wdomburg · · Score: 1

      You're right. Tomorrow I'm going to wake up and shave with the help of the revolutionary blade system in the Gillette Fusion. Then I'll drive my Chevrolet (An American Revolution!) to work and compose an e-mail on my iMac, which is powered by the revolutionary Core Duo processor, explaining how much I looked forward to plugging a Revolution into my Sony WEGA, which is at the forefront of the digital home entertainment revolution.

      Revolution is a tired adjective. Wii is iconic.

    76. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by shellbeach · · Score: 1

      The only two responses I read that defended the name were weak. Did no one stand up and say, "No comment until I've got this thing in my hands and I can really see what it's made of." Let us all make fun of Dick Butkus now for his name. Hahahaha, dick. Hahahahah, butt. Get it all out of your system.

      Yes, that's all very well, we accept that you're above name calling and toilet humour. But you have to remember the target audience of the Wii ... young, pubescent males. How do you think they're going to react to the Wii? Do you think they'll give it a shot, or do you think they'll ... er ... take the piss out of it?

      It might be the greatest console ever, but the marketing dept really have ensured that it'll be laughed at before it even hits the shelves. Not the best move.

    77. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by VendettaMF · · Score: 1

      "This is so simple a 5 year old could control it accurately. You! Go fetch me a five year old!"

      --
      kartune85 : Incapable of reason, observation or learning. A kind of dim, drab, flightless parrot.
    78. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by edwdig · · Score: 1

      These people need to have someone (like a son or daughter) to run things past before final decisions are made, especially for products that will be used primarily by people under the age of 21, which is Nintendo's primary market.

      Have you been paying any attention? The entire point of the Revolution and (to a lesser degree) the DS is to attract people who aren't traditionally gamers. Young people aren't what Nintendo is aiming at here. They're aiming at the people who normally stand back and say "That's too complicated for me, I don't want to play."

      Also, in the past the only things Nintendo has targeted at young demographics are Pokemon and Kirby. Most of their games aren't targeted at any particular age group by are intended to be enjoyed by all. Kinda like Pixar movies - they may be kid friendly animated movies, but they attract crowds of all ages.

    79. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by tatersalad · · Score: 1

      Nintendo doomed the console when they decided on their controller design. How is a motion sensitive, 2 part controller, with one joystick and only a few buttons going to translate to the XBox 360 or PS3 controller? Developers will avoid the console not only because of the stupid name (and it is indeed stupid) but because it would be so damn difficult to realse a multi platform game on the Revolution (I will never call it the Wii). So don't condemn the developers because they aren't jumping on the Revolution/Nintendo boat.

    80. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by crabpeople · · Score: 1

      ive heard the same said of centrino

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      I'll just use my special getting high powers one more time...
    81. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by sapgau · · Score: 1

      I agree, a name geared toward a mostly male market should imply the size of their penis.

      To say that you own a "Wii" sounds that it is rather teeny.

    82. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Scudsucker · · Score: 1

      It's a stupid name that deserves to be made fun of, just like the MacBook, for that matter.

      I'm just going to keep calling them Powerbooks, which is what they went by when they had 68k processors, as well.

    83. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Scudsucker · · Score: 1

      I disagree. Everybody is so hung up on how "wee" is a synonym for "urine."

      I'm not. Didn't even occur to me when the name change announcment was made. What I am hung up on, is that they took a perfectly good name (Revolution) and changed it to something monumentally stupid (Wii).

    84. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Scudsucker · · Score: 1

      The entire point of the Revolution and (to a lesser degree) the DS is to attract people who aren't traditionally gamers. Young people aren't what Nintendo is aiming at here. They're aiming at the people who normally stand back and say "That's too complicated for me, I don't want to play."

      Ah, yes, aiming your product for those indivuduals who have spent thousands of dollars, or even tens of thousands on games and game systems in their lifetimes is quite silly. The smart thing is to hope that someone walking by who has never spent a dime on games will suddenly shell out hundreds of dollars for the "Wii". That's the ticket.

    85. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Scudsucker · · Score: 1

      When one of my friends worked at Burger King just out of high school, his manager's name was Cindy Meadows, the most porn-star sounding name I've heard of since Keira Knightly.

    86. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An englishman, irishman and a scotsman are stranded by a plane crash in the middle of the dessert.

      Days later, dying of thirst, they spy a swimming pool with a slide going in in the distance. They start running for the water contained therein. When they get near, a figure appears out of mid-air and says

      "I am the genie of this magic swimming pool. If you go down the slide, the water changes into whatever liquid you ask for."

      The englishman goes first.

      "Beer" he cries, and the water turns to beer and he drinks his fill and crawls out.

      The scotsman goes down next.

      "Whisky" he cries, and the water turns to whisky. He drinks his fill and staggers out.

      The irishman goes next.

      "Wheeee!"

    87. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Grab · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. If even the devs don't want to work on it, you're screwed. Which is why those people who thought up (and approved) the name deserve firing for utter stupidity - why hamstring yourself before it's even got started?

      On a similar theme, the film "Free Willy" didn't do too well in the UK, again for pretty damn obvious reasons. (There's an urban legend that when the first trailer came on for "Free Willy" in some premier, a very camp voice called out "that's not a film, that's an invitation".) You can find similar stories around the world - the Vauxhall "No Va" not selling in Spain, for example. So these days, all competent marketing people should be checking for unintentional meanings in all the major world languages. That's why most names these days are meaningless - if there's no meaning in any language, then you're not landing yourself in trouble.

      Grab.

    88. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Wow, gamers and game developers acting like a bunch of children. I am shocked, shocked it tells ya.

    89. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      But they didn't... Kind of the point isn't it? Yes, there probably are bad names, but the very idea you can claim the principle wouldn't work for something called "Poo" proves that Wii is not in the same category. Wii means many things. Poo doesn't.

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    90. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by edwdig · · Score: 1

      Ah, yes, aiming your product for those indivuduals who have spent thousands of dollars, or even tens of thousands on games and game systems in their lifetimes is quite silly. The smart thing is to hope that someone walking by who has never spent a dime on games will suddenly shell out hundreds of dollars for the "Wii". That's the ticket.

      It's worked well with the DS. Animal Crossing, Nintendogs, and Brain Training have really driven sales among people outside the normal demographics.

      Besides, the people who want to play Smash Bros, Zelda, and whatever else are going to buy the system no matter what it's called. Anyone refusing to buy it because of the name was just looking for an easy excuse to justify not buying it.

    91. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Control+Group · · Score: 1

      And you can count me among them. It's too pocking bad she bought it.

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    92. Re:What a Constructive Mentality! by Scudsucker · · Score: 1

      It's worked well with the DS. Animal Crossing, Nintendogs, and Brain Training have really driven sales among people outside the normal demographics.

      But not at the expense of those normal demographics.

      Besides, the people who want to play Smash Bros, Zelda, and whatever else are going to buy the system no matter what it's called.

      Not if they decide to stick with their non-shitily named Gamecube and reserve their new purchases for the 360 or PS3.

      Anyone refusing to buy it because of the name was just looking for an easy excuse to justify not buying it.

      Or because they don't buy products with monumentally stupid names. Whoever is in charge of Nintendo's marketing should be sent to a Chuck E Cheese for the rest of their working life.

  3. Collective developer reaction... by TooMuchEspressoGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Wii don't care about the console's name."

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    1. Re:Collective developer reaction... by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 1

      You posted what I was thinking the exact moment before I read your post.

    2. Re:Collective developer reaction... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Wii don't care about the console's name."

      I'm still reading "Why don't care about the console's name."
      The name is insignificant, but I I'll continue to call it Why or Typo for the time being.

    3. Re:Collective developer reaction... by MP3Chuck · · Score: 1

      "Wii don't know what Nintendo was smoking, but Wii want some."

    4. Re:Collective developer reaction... by Hodr · · Score: 1

      "Wii don't even care whether or not wii care."

  4. Not exactly Game "Developers" by fistfullast33l · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Did we expand the definition of developers to include "columnist and game design lecturer" and "director of business relations?" Someone at Gamasutra didn't exactly get a scoop. And what's with two quotes from the same company, Blackbone Entertainment?

    Anyways, they all say the same thing. The name sucks, the console is good. However, the best point to get out of the article is from David Sirlin:

    "Your mother or girlfriend doesn't want something called an Xbox 360, but that's okay because they won't find any games they like on an Xbox 360 anyway (beside xarcade, that is). They might be less intimidated by the "Wii" and will definitely find Nintendo games and non-games that sound more interesting than "Madden 2007" and "GTA 2008". "

    Totally true. The iPod wouldn't have succeeded with a name like "SongGiant 3950" (no product would). I say the name is horrible and acceptable all at the same time. Horrible because it lends itself to multiple negative connotations, and acceptable because it draws in customers that names like Xbox and Playstation won't.

    1. Re:Not exactly Game "Developers" by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

      I agree and have been wondering for awhile now what Nintendo was going to do with their console.

      I think Xbox 360, 360 degrees it's one revolution. I think this swayed their decision to distinguish and distance themselves from the Xbox 360 by changing the name from Nintendo Revolution to Nintendo Wii.

      On a plus note anyone who watches Family Guy can now say you are going to play some "wicked yes" now.

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    2. Re:Not exactly Game "Developers" by twistedsymphony · · Score: 1

      Exactly... Plain and simple "Revolution" was just too bad-ass for Nintendo (no I'm being serious here). Just look at the N64, originally codenamed the "Ultra 64". Ultra 64 was a way cooler name but Nintendo64 eventually was it.

      And in all honesty when I first read it I wasn't sure how it was supposedly pronounced; at first glance I read it as WWII, as in World War Two.

      Wii is a lot more approachable name then Revolution, it's not overtly pretentious, it's not hard to say, it doesn't need abbreviation. Heck people hated the Xbox 360's name when it was announced. I'm sure the initial impression will subside and Wii will become as perfectly as acceptable as the names of other consoles.

      At the end of the day the name HAS changed my image of the console, the little poem attached to the name's announcement provided insight into the meaning of the name and a vision as to where Nintendo intends to take the console (something I don't get from either MS or Sony). The name itself is iconic in nature and has actual meaning behind it, something you can't say for very many products today... I'll probably buy one, they've already sold me on the Classic gaming angle, and with the obvious strong direction towards bringing people together (read: multiplayer), I can't wait to see what Nintendo does with this thing.

    3. Re:Not exactly Game "Developers" by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "Ultra 64 was a way cooler name but Nintendo64 eventually was it."

      No, they picked "Ultra" because they were looking for something "more than 'Super'". Think of the N64 as the "Ultra NES." I think they dropped the "Ultra" simply because they could see future problems (would the GameCube be the "Hyper NES?" At what do we hit "Metric Fuckload NES?" "ZOMG NES?").

    4. Re:Not exactly Game "Developers" by drsquare · · Score: 0

      Yeah cos your mother or girlfriend is going to go into a computer shop and say 'Can I have a wee?'

      What next, the Sony Poo? The Microsoft Cum?

    5. Re:Not exactly Game "Developers" by Hast · · Score: 1

      I think that the idea behing the name "wii" is sound. Having something which isn't a word but have various meanings is good. A name that is short and simple is good. Having a name which sounds like a bad word is bad.

      Usually you hear how companies spend millions on researching that their product name doesn't mean offensive things in other languages. I can understand that they miss a language like Swedish, but *how* *the* *fuck* do you miss a word that every English speaker knows? Didn't they say it to each other?

    6. Re:Not exactly Game "Developers" by Hast · · Score: 1

      And for the record. I think casual gamers are going to be more put off by the name "wee" than normal gamers. We are used to looking at specs and not take things at face value.

      While Xbox360 and PS3 are boring names at least they aren't offensive.

    7. Re:Not exactly Game "Developers" by tukkayoot · · Score: 1
      Your mother or girlfriend doesn't want something called an Xbox 360, but that's okay because they won't find any games they like on an Xbox 360 anyway (beside xarcade, that is). They might be less intimidated by the "Wii" and will definitely find Nintendo games and non-games that sound more interesting than "Madden 2007" and "GTA 2008".

      Does anybody actually have a girlfriend or a mom who's heard the game and reacted positively? I know mine haven't.

      I agree that traditional console names don't have good mainstream appeal, but that doesn't mean that any non-traditional name is an improvement. Wii is pretty awful.

    8. Re:Not exactly Game "Developers" by cgenman · · Score: 1

      Did we expand the definition of developers to include "columnist and game design lecturer" and "director of business relations?"

      It's fair to call Earnest Adams a developer. Sure, he did a good chunk of his career on Madden, but there is no shame in doing a stint on serialized sports games. Plus his writing is generally insightful and at times usable in a production environment, which is a good lot more than can be said for many design lecturers. He also co founded the Independent Game Developer's Association and the Game Developer's Conference.

      Did I mention he's one of the few game design writers who isn't a complete idiot? Honestly, that's the most shocking achievement.

      As for the biz dev guy from highmoon studios... in a company that small, their business people are probably with it. What he says is mostly insightful, so he should be given the benefit of the doubt.

      As for Gamasutra's methodology: they sent out a shotgun of e-mails and got some back. Two happened to be from "important" people at one company. They are still separate people, though.

  5. w00t by jrmcferren · · Score: 0

    Maybe they should have called it the nintendo w00t, or even better yet the RES (revolutionary entertainment system).

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  6. Corrected title. by GundamFan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Developers "over" React To 'Wii'... Seriously, this stoped being funny or shocking about an hour after I heard it... and I doubt 12 year olds giggling at the name will be the end for big N. Now to more important matters... will Nintendo make the same 10 games again (this time with Wii on the end) or will they continue to inovate internaly and encurage 3rd party support? The Wii has great potential, so did the Gamecube.

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    1. Re:Corrected title. by nfgaida · · Score: 1

      Dude... spell check.

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    2. Re:Corrected title. by Indefinite,+Ephemera · · Score: 1

      Seriously, this stoped being funny or shocking about an hour after I heard it...

      I had the same experience, except that for me it wasn't an improvement.

    3. Re:Corrected title. by joe+155 · · Score: 1

      you bring up a good point, the gamecube was ace... also I can tell youi If you've been fdrinking then the name is actually really funny and you don't even have to be a 12 year old girl... which would be admitedly weird... come to think of it slashdot is reallly funny too

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    4. Re:Corrected title. by Queer+Boy · · Score: 1
      will Nintendo make the same 10 games again (this time with Wii on the end)

      Well, we all hope they do, because that's the reason to buy a Nintendo system: their first-party games. Everything else is just port after port after port and you can get them on any system. If Nintendo announced tomorrow it was creating a closed system that would only have first-party releases it would still sell like gangbusters. They've yet to make a bad Metroid, Zelda, Mario, etc.

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    5. Re:Corrected title. by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Are they over-reacting. It depends on whether you think a name can make of break a product. The developers have money invested in the Nintendo platform, if it flops they will stand to lose out, possible even lose their jobs. So they are interested in making the thing a success.

      Now whether or not the name Nintendo picked is good or bad for business, is hard to judge at this time. The press they have gotten has been considerable, but is it good or not, another hard thing to tell.

  7. Next Up On Slashdot by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Sales Representatives React To 'Rational Trigonometry'

    We get it. By and large, people who eat, sleep, and breathe video games think that "Wii" is stupid. Fortunately for Nintendo, we're not their target demographic. Even more fortunately for Nintendo, the bulk of gamers who think that "Wii" is stupid follow the sentiment up with "but it isn't going to influence whether or not I actually buy the thing."

    We, The Hardcore, need to come to grips with the fact that we are now, in Nintendo's eyes, a seecondary market. The sooner we do that, the sooner we'll be able to get past all this bloviating about what sorts of fools are heading the ship at Nintendo.

    s/we/wii, if you're so inclined...

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    1. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if the develops of a game console are the secondary market, you can be assured that the developers will treat this whee thing with the same disrespect.
      and that will sink the nintendo whee.
      remember that developers are the primary market until the console actually SHIPS.

    2. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Non-hardcore gamers will be turned off too.
      -

      At EB's. Early December 2006:

      Customer: "I'm looking to buy a games system for my kids this Christmas"

      Salesperson: "Well, there's the Xbox 360, the PS3 and the Wii"

      Customer: "The WHAT!?!"

      Salesperson: "The Wii, it's Nintendo's new games system"

      Customer: "Well, which one would you recommend"

      Salesperson: "The Wii is a lot of fun. It really is accessible even to non-gamers"

      Customer: "Sounds really good, but I'm not sure about getting a console called Wii. I don't want my kids' friends to make fun of them"

      Salesperson: "It's a good console, but it's up to you"

      Customer: "Well, I can't imagine my kids being excited over something called Wii, so I'll get a PS3 then"

      Salesperson: "Oh, OK. You're the third person today who's liked the console, but not bought it because of the name".

    3. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      All of this can be avoided luckily by a massive marketing campain. Nintendo stated that most customers don't know what a PS3 or Xbox360 is. So if they can come into the stores ASKING for a Wii, intead of just asking for a game system. They have won.

      Not that I trust Nintendos marketing department right now.

    4. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by panthro · · Score: 1

      Have you ever actually interacted with real people?

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    5. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by Duds · · Score: 1

      Great except.

      Radio 1. Indicative of the general public, spent considerable time ripping the name apart when announced.

      My Dad. Indicative of people who don't give a toss about games answered me telling him with "You're kidding right?"

      So, The hardcore hate it, the softcore hate it and the nocore hate it.

      Just who exactly IS their target market again?

    6. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by joeljkp · · Score: 1

      Everyone will just call it a Nintendo, like always.

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    7. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by identity0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, bullshit. It sounds even stupider to non-gamers or very casual gamers(which I consider myself to be).

      Unlike Playstation, Dreamcast, Famicom, Genesis, or Xbox, which I've heard people say are also "bad names", "Wii" is a horrible name on a purely viceral level as well as having bad puns. At least every other console has more than one syllable, sounds like an acutal product name instead of a squeal, and has some 'character' to it. "Wii" doesn't even sound like a name, it sounds like part of a name that got chopped off.

      How would you even say it in normal sentences? "Have you gotten a wii yet?", "Is this game coming out for the wii?", "Hey check out the graphics on the wii", "Wanna play some wii games?", "Wii rocks!", "Do you have any wiis in stock?", "I think my kid wants a wii for christmas", "Wii is way cooler than the PS3". It just feels wrong, somehow - maybe because it sounds like "we", and "The we", "we's", "wes", and "a we" are ungrammatical in English. I suspect most people will just end up calling it "the Nintendo".

      I was looking around for the Japanese reaction to it, and at least on Slashdot Japan, there seems to be about as much bewilderment at the name as there is over here. The name doesn't have any bad meaning in Japan, but it still sounds wierd.

    8. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by squiggleslash · · Score: 1
      Customer: "Sounds really good, but I'm not sure about getting a console called Wii. I don't want my kids' friends to make fun of them"
      Kid1: Uh-huhuuhhuh Did he say "Sex Box?"
      Kid2: Ehheheh Sex Box! Sex box! Sex box rules!
      Kid1: Got to be better than your Piss Two Beavis huhuhuh
      Kid2: No way Butthead! The Piss Two rocks! Eheheheheh
      Kid1: Uhuuhhuhuhuh. A number one and a number two

      ...continued on page 94.

      Kids can, and will, make fun of everything. If the Pee Ess Two survived, I'm sure the Wii will too.

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    9. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Nintendo gave up on the Hardcore years ago when they let Sony hand them their asses on a plate with the PlayStation. They reaffirmed that when the GameCube didn't even try to compete with the PS2. Remember the standing ovation for Miyamoto when he walked ON the stage at the game cube thing? They had the hardcore right where they wanted them, but now their doing the nursery rhyme thing - Wii Wii Wii all the way home... I doubt it will be rewritten to Wii Wii Wii all the way to the Bank.

    10. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 4, Insightful
      At least every other console has more than one syllable, sounds like an acutal product name instead of a squeal, and has some 'character' to it. "Wii" doesn't even sound like a name, it sounds like part of a name that got chopped off.

      I differ with you on this point. "PlayStation" and "Xbox", to my mind, are utterly devoid of personality. One sounds like a purely utilitarian description of the device; it's about as personality-laden as "RoadCar" or "FoodCutter". The other just takes "box"--a dreadfully exciting word--and tags the ubiqitous "'X' for extreme" bit to the front. At least "Wii" is evocative; whether you think "fun", "small", or "ha ha pee pee!", it engages your imagination more than either of its competitors.

      And what makes a longer, multi-syllabic name better than a shorter, monosyllabic name? In marketing, short is sweet. It's why the "Macintosh" is now simply the "Mac", why the "High-Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle" is called a "Humvee", and why "fluoxetine hydrochloride" is known as "Prozac".

      In any case, we have yet to feel the brunt of Nintendo's marketing. Once you plaster the airwaves with "Wii", it's likely going to be about as silly sounding as "iPod"; you won't even remember when you first shook your head and said, "what the hell kind of name is that?" Familiarity comes from repeated exposure, and in another few months, the name "Wii" will probably seem no more stupid than the name "Nintendo" to most people out there.

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    11. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by amliebsch · · Score: 1

      Chicks, from the sound of it. Of course, if that's the case, they should have just named it the "VibraShaft" and be done with it.

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    12. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

      You forgot to include the GamePube.

      Personally, I'm going to be thinking of that Firefox "Whee!" commercial whenever I hear the name Wii. Maybe I'll just mush it up next to Nintendo, making it all "Nintendo-y".

      --Joe
    13. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by amliebsch · · Score: 1

      Parent made a good point, though. One thing that I think a lot of people react strongly to is that IF the other person is not familiar with the "Wii", you WILL sound like you are saying "we" or "wee" and using broken or ungrammatical English (e.g., YOU: "Wii is fun!" FRIEND: "We are fun, stupid.") or saying something nasty. In other words, unless you know that the person you are talking to is familiar with the product, you'll have to worry about sounding like a fool. So you just won't say it.

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    14. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 1

      When I think of "Playstation" I still can't help but think of a kid's playroom set. I've always been iffy about Xbox, but only because I'm tired of seeing 'X' everywhere and I have an irrational need to write it as "XBox".

      Are we sure it's pronounced "wee" and not "why" (but not implying a question)? Maybe as the author of the Gamasutra article joked, it is pronounced "vee" - V for Victory. That would make it cool. Maybe the name change is saying less about Nintendo and more about the console formally known as Revolution. What if Revolution isn't quite what the name implies, and Nintendo knows this, and so has decided to change the name now rather than address the disappointed public later?

      Maybe the Japanese having May 1st confused with April Fool's Day. Kids will joke. People will talk. I will say "Nintendo Weeeeeeeee" for at least two months just to piss people off; but in the end if there's a new Zelda, a new Super Mario Bros., and a new Resident Evil, and all at a budget price, it won't matter.

    15. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by aqfire · · Score: 1

      why "fluoxetine hydrochloride" is known as "Prozac".

      Nothing makes you wanna say "Wii" like Prozac...

    16. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by metamatic · · Score: 1
      Once you plaster the airwaves with "Wii", it's likely going to be about as silly sounding as "iPod"; you won't even remember when you first shook your head and said, "what the hell kind of name is that?"

      Yeah, I'm sure once we're showered with Wii, we'll learn to like it. Not.

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    17. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by Castar · · Score: 1

      You touched on this briefly, but I think one big problem Nintendo has with this name is that it's hard to pluralize, mentally. Obviously the correct pluralization is "Wiis" (just like "PlayStations" or "GameCubes"), but it's hard to say that, for some reason. It just sounds wrong. And it's hard to look at it and parse it correctly. And don't even get me started on the legions of people who will insist on "Wii's" because the other one looks weird, thus contributing further to the decline of the English language.

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    18. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by wvitXpert · · Score: 1

      I thought that Nintendo's whole point with this new console was to do something completely different than it's competitiors so they can draw in a new crowd. Assuming that is the case they would want a name that is completely different than xbox, or playstation. They don't want it to sound like just another console. Wii catches your eye. It makes you stop and look at the product (something non-games might never do if they know it's a game console to begin with). And most importantly you won't forget it, or confuse it with the competitors product.

      I say give Wee a chance!

    19. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once you plaster the airwaves with "Wii", it's likely going to be about as silly sounding as "iPod";

      I still think "iPod" sounds stupid and I still don't own one. I guess it has sorta been eclipsed by "podcast" but that doesn't really get it off the hook.

      What was your point again?

    20. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by dwolshin · · Score: 1

      You know, at first I thought the name was stupid but now I'm not so sure. Seeing you use it like that somehow it makes more sense!

      -=D

    21. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm... yeah.

      They like to make Wii/Wee jokes. That was my mum's first reaction in fact, and she's pretty much the target demographic.

    22. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I was looking around for the Japanese reaction to it, and at least on Slashdot Japan, there seems to be about as much bewilderment at the name as there is over here. The name doesn't have any bad meaning in Japan, but it still sounds wierd.
      Well my reaction is: "WWII == Atomic Bomb; Wii == Nintendo Bomb". Excuse me now. I need to go play with my pair of linked prototype consoles - or, as I like to call the combination, my wii-wii.
    23. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The other just takes "box"--a dreadfully exciting word--and tags the ubiqitous "'X' for extreme" bit to the front.
      I don't think of extreme when I see "Xbox", I think exBox as in "it's dead, it's demised, it's cast off it's mortal coil, it's an exbox!".
    24. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by ookaze · · Score: 1

      Oh, bullshit. It sounds even stupider to non-gamers or very casual gamers(which I consider myself to be)

      This is tiring BS really.
      This thing that american geeks have about names is sickness !

      I'm european, and I just shake my head in disbelief each time I see another thread like this one, on a name.
      I see this as highly egocentric on the part of american speaking people.
      In France, we use "Oui" to say "Yes". Fortunately, we don't say it a lot, because given what I read here, american tourists would be often offended. Why ?
      Because "Oui" is pronounced exactly like "Wii" in french.
      Besides, that means that at least in France, where we are not all up on names, "Wii" has nothing bad.
      Japanese love french things, and the primary market of Wii will be Japan as always, so if marketed well, it won't be a problem at all in Japan.
      I bet in Europe Wii won't be a problem.
      Why do the american speaking people feel the need to say everyone will be offended ?
      We other gamers and non-gamers in the world sure enough don't want to be associated with american people whining about the name of a console.

      I was looking around for the Japanese reaction to it, and at least on Slashdot Japan, there seems to be about as much bewilderment at the name as there is over here. The name doesn't have any bad meaning in Japan, but it still sounds wierd

      Given what I've said earlier, I have a hard time believing what you say. URL please ?

    25. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 1
      My point is that big corporations are going to put a great deal more faith in their market research than they will put in any given geek with his endless stream of anecdotes. In short, your tastes (and mine) really, really don't matter one whit. A multinational has tried and true methods for determining how to name their products, and while they don't always work well, these methods are a far cry more reliable than having Nintendo execs dig through Slashdot posts and stroke their collective chins to the wisdom of nameless posters.

      Because of this, I'm willing to give Nintendo the benefit of the doubt over Anonymous Coward, pontificator extraordinaire. I'm not saying they've got a sure winner on their hands--rather, I trust that they know what they're doing better than you, me, or any of the other geeks here on Slashdot.

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    26. Re:Next Up On Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thx. You made my day.

  8. They've done it before... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually Nintendo have never given any product a particularly cool name. "Game Boy" for example, is about as un-cool a name for something as you could ever come up with, at least from the point of view of anyone over age 10. If the GB had a cool name they would probably have sold several times as many of them.

    "Hey Bob, whatcha up to?"

    "I'm playing with my, um, Game Boy".

    Bleah.

    G.

    1. Re:They've done it before... by Kenshin · · Score: 1

      GameBoy was an analogue to Walkman, which was a HUGE brand at the time.

      It was a very smart marketing move.

      "Wii" is because they came up with a list of good names, but all the domain names were taken, so they came up with with a stupid name that couldn't possibly have been registered yet.

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  9. Pokari Sweat by Judge_Fire · · Score: 1

    Yeah, the first response to Pokari Sweat tends to be euw.

    But then you figure out that it's meant to balance the body after sweating, or in marketese "with the appropriate density and electrolytes, close to that of human body fluid", and suddenly the message makes sense. Kinda.

    The same will happen with 'Wii'. It's actually pretty good in most languages.

    J

    1. Re:Pokari Sweat by Golias · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the first response to Pokari Sweat tends to be euw.

      But then you figure out that it's meant to balance the body after sweating, or in marketese "with the appropriate density and electrolytes, close to that of human body fluid", and suddenly the message makes sense. Kinda.


      And then you try it, and the name REALLY makes sense.

      The stuff tastes exactly like sweat, with just a little added citrus and sugar. Think "Gatorade" without fruit flavor. That's pretty much what it is.

      They've got a competing one in Japan called "Aquarius" which tastes almost as awful.

      Trust me on this, if you are in Japan and are thirsty, go with the green tea or just drink water. Their sports drinks are appalling.

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    2. Re:Pokari Sweat by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      So the Wii is intended to balance your body from what? Exactly....

    3. Re:Pokari Sweat by forkazoo · · Score: 1
      Yeah, the first response to Pokari Sweat tends to be euw.

      Actually, my first reaction was iiw.
    4. Re:Pokari Sweat by Judge_Fire · · Score: 1

      The stuff tastes exactly like sweat, with just a little added citrus and sugar. Think "Gatorade" without fruit flavor. That's pretty much what it is.

      I actually liked it, when I first tried it. Chances are I'll develop a liking for Wii, too. :p

      J

    5. Re:Pokari Sweat by Golias · · Score: 1

      I actually liked it, when I first tried it. Chances are I'll develop a liking for Wii, too. :p

      Why, does the Wii also taste like sweat?

      Pocari Sweat is very popular in Japan, but having walked through a Japanese sex shop last month, I've learned that Japanese people have a lot of strange tastes that I don't share.

      It's okay. We've all got our kinks. "Live and let live" is my motto. I'm just saying I'll never look at Cardcaptor Sakura quite the same way ever again. *shudder*

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    6. Re:Pokari Sweat by VJ42 · · Score: 1

      'm just saying I'll never look at Cardcaptor Sakura quite the same way ever again.

      Arrrrgggggggggggggg!!!!!!! My inner eye!!! You, sir have just burned a hole in my brain, I can't get various, er.. strange mental images out of my head. Honestly, that's just wrong, on so many levels.

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    7. Re:Pokari Sweat by Soul-Burn666 · · Score: 1

      Just FYI, that's how Japanese people show their affection to anime characters. If a character is popular, hentai doujin WILL be made. As a matter of fact Cardcaptor Sakura is one of the characters that have the most of these :)
      Hell, they even made doujins of a girl appearing in ONE friggin' drawing, advertising some refrigerator (or was it air conditioning?), and of a girl from a booklet teaching English to students before college tests.

      A game was invented by westerners because of these quirks. Open up google images and type in a random word or Japanese character. Then you browse through the images until you see something that makes you regret you ever started playing it. It NEVER fails, NEVER.

      It's not a surprise the target audience in Japan for "magical girl" shows is girls 6-12 and males 18-30 :)

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    8. Re:Pokari Sweat by Golias · · Score: 1

      I tried your "game."

      First, I typed in the hirigana character "ka", and hit search. After 20 pages of images, the raciest thing I could find was this picture of a woman in a mini-skirt hugging a big stuffed penguin:

      http://ameblo.jp/user_images/39/92/10001934847.jpg

      Kinda cute, actually.

      Then I went with the english letter "k". By page 5, I hit this weird-ass oil painting of a dominatrix getting felt up by a submissive dude in a beard.

      http://nohogalleryla.com/Lance%20K.Wolbransky.jpg

      Japan may be freaky, but they are in good company.

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  10. I still hope it's a joke. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I look forward to E3, when Nintendo announces the real name for their system, and bloggers the internet over explode for being tricked by a video game company.

    1. Re:I still hope it's a joke. by VJ42 · · Score: 1

      If it wasn't a joke, Nintento's marketing must be thinking about turning it into one after seeing how much coverage one press release has given them; coverage for a couple of weeks before E3 bought by one press release, another couple of weeks of coverage after, with another. though a funnier time to do it would be about just before it's released, garunteeing huge amounts of launch coverage.

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    2. Re:I still hope it's a joke. by jferris · · Score: 1

      I am split down the middle as to whether it is a marketing ploy or not, in just the sheer sense of generating a buzz. Part of me doesn't mind the name (although, I am not fond of it, either). E3 will be interesting. The only thing preventing me from fully accepting that this is the real name for the Revolution is the fact that http://wii.nintendo.com/ does nothing, while http://revolution.nintendo.com/ still does. I would think that something so basic would have been taken care of. Also, it wouldn't have taken long for someone to slap the movie and a press release together. So the conspiracy monkey in me is still scratching a bit at it all...

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    3. Re:I still hope it's a joke. by VJ42 · · Score: 1

      I actually don't mind the name anymore, my initial reaction was "that's a stupid name"; but after a couple of hours, I was thinking "it's just a name". So hoax or no hoax, I don't mind, execpt I think it'd be funnier if it was a hoax, because all the people slamming Nintendo's marketing dept. will suddenly look stupid. As I said the best time to reveal it as a hoax, won't be at E3, but a couple of weeks, maybe a month before it goes on sale. Think of all the launch hype that would create.

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  11. There is no such thing as bad publicity by gclef · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nintendo has had front-page headlines in the game world for a week with almost zero marketing cost to them. *Everyone* in the game community knows the name and identity of their product.

    From a marketing point of view, this name is a colossal success. It worked. You know what their product is, you know what it's for, you remember its name. That's all that matters.

    1. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      People know the name but their primary market won't want to own one because of the name. Not good. It'd be as if Ford renamed the Mustang to the Oh My Gawd it's Ponies car. People would comment on the name but 99% of the market wouldn't buy it with that name printed on the side.

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    2. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Michael Jackson had front-page articles for a long time. I don't think it helped him sell records.

    3. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by VJ42 · · Score: 3, Informative

      their primary market won't want to own one

      "Hardcore" gamers and geeks aren't their primary market anymore, the're going for the casual gamer market in a big way, gamers are now a secondary market. People like me, who just like to play Tetris DS, or Mario Cart for an our or so, will be their main focus. seeing how Nintendogs and Animal Crossing etc. did, it seems that the're hitting that market almost perfectly.

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    4. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by MikeFM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Could be, but I don't see the name Wii as especially attractive to any market (at least not English speaking) and it's repulsive to most their existing market. It just seems to be a huge risk they didn't need to take. If they did want to take this risk then I think they could have found a name better than Wii to take it with. I can't think of any successful products with a name anything like Wii. Even something like WiiPlay would have been better I think as at least then it'd convey some meaning to the buyer.

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    5. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll have to just agree to disagree. I may not have any data or statistics one way or another, but this name sounds nonsensical regardless of the connotations. People will look at the system and wonder "Wii?, thats the wierdest name for a game console I've ever heard."

      Unless you mean that the target audience is younger than 12, or older than 50, two demographics who could care less what something is called.

    6. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by arodland · · Score: 1

      Right, Nintendo isn't selling to hardcore gamers... unfortunately hardcore gamers are the ones who would buy a system for specs or games regardless of marketing. The Nintendo market are the ones who would say "Wee? Eew."

    7. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Whee!

    8. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone in the game community already knew the name and identity of their product.

    9. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      seeing how Nintendogs and Animal Crossing etc. did, it seems that the're hitting that market almost perfectly.

      Those are examples of GOOD names, though.

      "Nintendogs" is a portmanteau of "Nintendo" and "Dogs". Bingo, you know what to expect. "Animal Crossing" evokes community, interaction between various types of animals. You understand the basic premise immediately.

      "Nintendo Wii" requires someone to explain to you that it's pronounced "whee", and the two i's represent players, and it also stands for "we", and even after that I still don't know anything about the Remote or the online service or any of the other new features that are supposed to make this console a Revolution. It's not a descriptive or evocative name. It's arbitrary. It's poor branding.

    10. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by AliasTheRoot · · Score: 1

      Bollocks.

      Everyone in the game community knew the name already as Revolution, and a few people that aren't hardcore saw that name in the teaser press. The Nintendo Wee name is stupid, confuses non hardcore gamers and is the laughing stock of anyone that truly follows games.

      I predict 95% of all casual gamer moms buying a console for little Jimmy will be too embaressed to go into a store and ask for a wii, and will buy a playstation instead.

    11. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by bufalo_1973 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not like XBox that means... well... a box... with an X... eeehhh...

    12. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by everett · · Score: 2, Funny

      If they released an "OMG PONIES!" car in bright pink with bows, I think I'd have to get one just for the sheer balls that it took for them to release it.

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    13. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by joggle · · Score: 1

      I don't know about that. They could have called it the A.S.S. and it would have got a lot of media attention as well. Doesn't mean they picked a good name.

    14. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by WesBEnterprise · · Score: 1

      First of all, unlike cars, video game systems do not make you cool. This is, after all, Slashdot, "News for Nerds," and as such articles posted are rarely going to include things that the culture would define as "cool." In closing, game systems != cool, therefore, game system names must not convey coolness.

    15. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 1
      From a marketing point of view, this name is a colossal success. It worked. You know what their product is, you know what it's for, you remember its name. That's all that matters.

      By that argument, the Segway was a raging success.

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    16. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by msaulters · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed 110% mod parent up! I'll throw out another example for consideration:

      While 'Wii' sounds like 'wee' and can be compared to urine, they could have accomplished most of their goals by calling it the 'Shiit'. It still has the double-i's they want, and it's just as fucking stupid! Their marketing dept could get on blogs (because it wouldn't be allowed in print or on tv) and say something like "It's the Schiit", but seriously, NOBODY in the US is going to buy a console with the word 'shit' in any form on the side of it. Too many negative connotations. Would people TALK about it? Sure! Doesn't mean they want to buy it.

      You take POSITIVE buzz about a product called the Revolution and turn it 180 degrees into completely NEGATIVE buzz for a product called the Wii, and ONLY marketing could turn that shiit into a wiin.

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    17. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by aberrantvirtue · · Score: 1

      Not just that. Eventually if they want the "hardcore" market, they will release a game that people want to play enough that they don't care how dumb the name is. (And I hate the name. With a burning passion. I hate it so much that when that game comes out I'm going to bribe someone else to actually say "Wii" to the guy at the store where I buy it. Or possibly just mutely point.) But seriously. The fact that I hate it so much means that it has been stuck in my head. I've had conversations with people about it (which has stuck it in their heads). It's not as bad a move as it seems, even though I'll never like the name.

    18. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cars do not make you cool either. People who buy cars to make themselves look cool do it because they have no other way to be cool.

      Disposible income and horse power do not a personality make.

    19. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by c_forq · · Score: 1

      Everyone in the game community knew the name already as Revolution

      You forget, Nintendo is not aiming for the gaming community. They are aiming for the non-gaming community in a big way. Also, who the hell would be too embarrassed to ask for a Wii? Would they be embarrassed to say "We went to the store" or "We would like a Playstation"? And if it is clueless mothers they are probably going to say something like "I'll take the Nintendo playstation" or "My son wants one of those playstations, the nintendo one", unless they have seen the commercials, CNN articles, and etc. about the Wii (which chances are they have) and Nintendo will have name recognition like they haven't enjoyed since the NES and Gameboy.

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    20. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by metamatic · · Score: 1
      It worked. You know what their product is, you know what it's for, you remember its name. That's all that matters.

      In that case, why didn't they call it the Turd? That would have gotten them even more free publicity.

      Honestly, the idea that "there is no such thing as bad publicity" is ridiculous. Try telling it to Michael Jackson or Gary Glitter.

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    21. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by aichpvee · · Score: 1

      How's it repulsive when it's a homonym for one of the most common pronouns in the English language? Maybe America has really gotten so selfish and greedy that we (see!!!) only talk about ourselves and the "others".

      The whole argument is dumb though. Every little bitch whining about the name is going to go in and demand their Wii just like all the adults.

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    22. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by Geneus · · Score: 1

      I am really sick about people saying that the name will stop "hardcore" gamers from playing it. Personaly I would hope that if they really are "hardcore" gamers then they would not care about the name. They should care more about how well it plays than the little piece of plastic that says Wii.

    23. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by aichpvee · · Score: 1

      I don't think the urine association will even occur to most people's moms because they've been out of preschool for so long.

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    24. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by Billygoatz · · Score: 0

      You know you might have hit something with "WiiN" "Wii" plus "Nintendo" = "WiiN" That could work, and Nintendo wouldn't have to lose face.

    25. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by fafaforza · · Score: 1

      Can't avoid going off on a tangent...

      How do you like Tetris DS? Does it have a lot of replayability? Does it pull you into trying to beat the high score?

    26. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And it's a kick ass fuckin band too.

    27. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by aqsalter · · Score: 1

      I just can't wait for the parody images that use the new controller.

      I was so looking forward to this console, but I don't think I can buy one now... And I think of myself as fairly broad-minded. Just can't bear telling my friends "Got this great new game for the Wii, you should see it". They will smirk every time. They won't get over it.

      Sorry Nintendo, your name is too "farsighted" for me.

    28. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by lemon031 · · Score: 0

      A nice car definitely doesn't a personality make, but one sure as fuck can complement. Speak once you know what you're talking about.

    29. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      It's all relative to our own circles of influence. When I was a kid with an Atari the neighbor kid with the NES was a god. When the neighborhood kids all have an XBox 360 or PS3 the kids with a Wii will be treated as lamers.

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    30. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by Scudsucker · · Score: 1

      You forget, Nintendo is not aiming for the gaming community. They are aiming for the non-gaming community in a big way.

      To repeat myself:

      Ah, yes, aiming your product for those indivuduals who have spent thousands of dollars, or even tens of thousands on games and game systems in their lifetimes is quite silly. The smart thing is to hope that someone walking by who has never spent a dime on games will suddenly shell out hundreds of dollars for the "Wii". That's the ticket.

    31. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by Scudsucker · · Score: 1

      There is no such thing as bad publicity

      Of course there is. GM was going to market the Chevy Nova in Mexico until someone pointed out that "no va" means "does not go" in Spanish.

    32. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by vegetasaiyajin · · Score: 1

      I don't know Mexioc. But in Venezuela the Nova (and it was marketed as the Nova) was pretty common many years ago.

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    33. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, faggot, did you ever stop and consider that America happens to be one of the 2 largest markets for this particular device so it would make sense to take American idioms into consideration when naming it? Or has your hatred and racism blinded you so much that the only one seeing anyone as "others" is you?

    34. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by VJ42 · · Score: 1

      It's addictive in the same way that the original tetris was addictive, touch mode is addictive aswell; and the puzzle modes are just great fun.

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    35. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by Zediker · · Score: 1

      Im guessing english isnt your first language? I am a nintendo fan, but when I heard they renamed the console to Wii... I was horrified. I thought nintendo was doing everything right, they were going to shake their kiddie immage and get some much needed 3rd party support for their console, but then they @*(&ed it all up with the name change. I understand their reasoning for naming it Wii, but there are MUCH better names out there. The only way that nintendo will be able to survive this new name in english speaking countries is if the gameplay is all they touted it to be, and more. Until it proves itself, nobody can take the... Wii... seriously.

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    36. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by squiggleslash · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Shit means shit. Excrement. That's all it means. Southerners have stretched it to indirectly mean other things, but it's essentially all about the brown stuff.

      The sound Wii means "we", a term refering to a group of us. It's also an exclaimation of excitement. It's also a French word meaning "Yes". It also happens to be a slang word meaning urine. None of those other meanings are indirect.

      I think, quite honestly, your point is ridiculous. Most people, on seeing the console introduced the right way (like, via the flash animation at revolution.nintendo.com and similarly styled ads) are not going to think "urine" as their first thought, any more than people watching a group of rollercoaster riders think "Wow. They just shouted "Urine"", or someone interprets the sentence "We're all going on a summer holiday" as meaning anything about urine going on a summer holiday, except, perhaps, those who associate Cliff Richard with urine.

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    37. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by squiggleslash · · Score: 1
      That's an Urban Legend. As Snopes.com pointed out, GM would have the same problems marketing the Nova to a Spanish-speaking audience as a maker of Dining Room Furniture sets would have selling one called "Notable" ("No table") to an English speaking audience.

      ie. no problems whatsoever.

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    38. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by c_forq · · Score: 1

      I actually think that is the ticket. The people who have spent thousands is an extremely small drop compared to the rest of the population. If they can get even half of the Oprah crowd then they will make an astounding amount more then they ever could have with the few people that have spend thousands on games. Like the old saying, "If you want to be poor sell to the rich, if you want to be rich sell to the poor", I think Nintendo wants to be rich and is aiming at the right market to do so.

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    39. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by DanHibiki · · Score: 0

      You just called him a "faggot" and YOU'RE accusing him of "hatred and racism"?

    40. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by aichpvee · · Score: 1

      You and your buddy AC both seemed to miss the point where I said, 'Maybe America has really gotten so selfish and greedy that we (see!!!) only talk about ourselves and the "others".'

      It's possibly a regional difference, but you never hear people use "wee" to mean urine or penis or anything else like that around here. If you think the name is going to hurt the system either way, though, you're just being an idiot. Have you ever stopped to consider that it might be people such as yourself who give Nintendo their "kiddie" image? Grow up.

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    41. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by Golias · · Score: 1

      It'd be as if Ford renamed the Mustang to the Oh My Gawd it's Ponies car.

      Holy crap! I totally would want to buy that car!

      In fact, you've got me thinking I should get some epoxy and glitter to put "OMG Ponies!" on the door panels of my Ford Crown Victoria. That would be the smex.

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    42. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by Zediker · · Score: 1

      "It's possibly a regional difference, but you never hear people use "wee" to mean urine or penis or anything else like that around here. If you think the name is going to hurt the system either way, though, you're just being an idiot. Have you ever stopped to consider that it might be people such as yourself who give Nintendo their "kiddie" image?"

      The reason people associate 'Wii' with 'Wee' is because of the double 'i'. If it were 'Wi' or even blatently 'We', then I doubt the association would be made, or the backlash would be much less extensive. Did nintendo make a bad name choice? Possibly. Did they properly test market the name in foreign markets? Obviously no, or we wouldnt be having this discussion. Wii only has bad connotations in the english language, other languages dont have issues with it. But when when one of the largest markets for entertainment products speaks english as its 1st language, its a good idea to create a trademark name with as little negative connotation as possible.

      Additionaly, I have supported nintendo for 20 years. I have NEVER called it a 'kiddie' company personaly. But they have aquired a 'kiddie' image from PR mistakes, design choices, and because of developers treating it as a pariah when trying to market mature titles. Nintendo's 'kiddie' image lies not only in its hands, but unwelcoming consumers, and jaded developers as well.

      "Grow up."

      I have shown my maturity by only criticizing your ideas, and not you personally, perhaps you are the one who should 'Grow Up'.

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    43. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      It'd certainly be funny if you had the balls to redo your car in pink and use the Slashdot OMG Ponies logo. I don't think your average male has the sense of humor and the balls of most Slashdot folks though. Being made fun of and treated as social outcasts gives us a certain ability to shrug off our machoist needs. ;)

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    44. Re:There is no such thing as bad publicity by Scudsucker · · Score: 1

      The people who have spent thousands is an extremely small drop compared to the rest of the population.

      But turning off your core market isn't going to magically get you the rest of your potential market. The non-gamer is as likely to think the Wii is a stupid name as someone who's owned every Nintendo system since the NES.

      Like the old saying, "If you want to be poor sell to the rich, if you want to be rich sell to the poor"

      Except for when the opposite is true, which is most of the time. Apple has consistently made money by selling products with high margins, rather than throwing together cheap boxes from the supplier-of-the-week. Sure, Dell is much bigger than Apple, but dozens of other PC manufacturers with the same business model have either lost hundereds of millions (HP) or are exiting the business completely (IBM and Gateway).

  12. Slashdotters react to Wii... by Spez · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wii are tired of hearing about how many bad puns we can do with the name. Wii don't care. Wii want to try the console. Wii want to try the controler.

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    1. Re:Slashdotters react to Wii... by eddeye · · Score: 1

      Wii are tired of hearing about how many bad puns we can do with the name. Wii don't care. Wii want to try the console. Wii want to try the controler.

      Wii wants it. Wii wants.... our preeecccciiousssssssss

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  13. IMHO by berenixium · · Score: 0

    I do not like this name. As a gamer, I won't be asking for a 'Wii' over a shop counter. Nintendo had better shape up and get their act together, as I don't think that my opinion is isolated in this matter. Why won't they settle for a compromise like "iTwo" (too Apple?) or "Uss" or "Yii's" or "@ii", etc. The list goes on.

    It's so silly. What western development company is going to seriously develop a product that will be associated with taking a whazz / leak / you-get-the-idea and have that image attached to their 'good-for-now' name?
    Well, I don't know. Not many, I can imagine.
    I think things will get so bad, only in-house releases will become the norm, Mario Wii, Donkey Kong Wii, Starfox on Wii, and so on and so forth. Quake Wii, Doom Wii, and Warcraft Wii? Ain't gonna happen...

    1. Re:IMHO by neutralstone · · Score: 1

      > As a gamer, I won't be asking for a 'Wii' over a shop counter.

      Why not?  Everyone else will.  In a way, I'm inclined to believe the hype:  once you actually play a game or two, your perception of the system's name's effect on your social status will fade.

    2. Re:IMHO by panthro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, I don't know.

      That's about the only part of your post that I agreed with.

      If you really believe that Nintendo, the multi-billion-dollar multinational corporation with 117 years of operation under its belt, simply didn't bother to check if people liked the name, you should send them your resume and apply for the position of "Marketing Department" right away.

      You're assuming that everyone is a hardcore gamer like you. They're not. I'm not. You're a negligible minority. You're going to buy an XBOX 360 or a PS3 anyway. Quake, Doom and Warcraft are all gamers' games, and not at all the type of casual game Nintendo players play. The rest of us don't care about Ultra-Sooper-Realistic Tactical Combat Simulations, we just want to play Fun Games. The whimsical name of the Wii tells me I'm going to get Fun Games. So if I buy a console this generation, it'll be a Wii.

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    3. Re:IMHO by DarthChris · · Score: 1
      ...the system's name's effect on your social status...
      We're geeks - we don't really worry about something affecting our social status!
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    4. Re:IMHO by AdamThirteenth · · Score: 1

      I think this actually convinced me to buy a Wii.

    5. Re:IMHO by Carnildo · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I don't know about the GP, but I'm definitely not a "hardcore gamer". I typically buy 4-5 games a year, and I consider the SNES controller to be pushing the limit of 'too many buttons'.

      Now that I've established my credentials as "not a hardcore gamer", let me say: "Wii" is a horrible name for a product targeted at the American English-speaking demographic.

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    6. Re:IMHO by VJ42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly, you've hit the nail on the head. does th GP really think he could have come up with a name that would have got 4 slashdot front pages in 4 days (remember, these arn't dupes, they've all been follow ups)? Nintendo's marketing dept. has pulled a stroke of genius, they've got all the "hard core" gamers talking about Wii, they've persuaded people like me, and you(geeks who are casual gamers). They've got thousands of people talking about one, yes 1 press release. I think that somone, somwhere is going to get a pay rise.

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    7. Re:IMHO by neutralstone · · Score: 1

      > We're geeks - we don't really worry about something affecting our social status!

      Apparently the great-grand parent does; else why care so much about the name?  Notice he didn't say he's not going to *buy* the system.  He said he "won't be asking for a 'Wii' over a shop counter".  It is to laugh.

      gamer:  Hi, uh... I'll take a copy of Red Steel and uh... I'll also need a console to go with that.

      clerk: [clearly audible] Oh, so you need a **Wii**?

      gamer:  <whispering> Would you keep your fucking voice down!?  Fucking Nintendo...

      clerk:  Sorry about that sir.

      clerk:  [projecting] Ok sir, your ***Wii*** game and your ***Wii*** both come to $265.00.

      gamer:  [completely flushed; hands over cash, takes goods and walks away quickly while staring at floor]

      clerk:  HAVE FUN PLAYING WITH YOUR WII!   ...I love this job.

      Seriously, I think the only people who have a problem with this "issue" are the same people who are easily embarrassed when accompanied by their parents in public.  It's a character flaw that most people grow out of after adolescence (if they ever have it to begin with).

    8. Re:IMHO by bamzam229 · · Score: 1

      Grow some Bawls.

    9. Re:IMHO by Hast · · Score: 1

      I really think the name will have more of a negative effect on non-gamers than actual gamers.

      I know I'm personally put off by the name. Though since I actually spend a lot of money each year on tech I guess I don't count.

    10. Re:IMHO by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      Why do you think that? Is it based on all the negative "publicity" it's received on /.?

      Peronally, I think it's better than "Revolution" because it's unique. Revolution is over-used, seems like there's always some product using that either as it's name or in it's advertising.

      But then again, I'm not superficial and don't give a damn what it's called. If the games are good, I'll probably buy one. If I don't see many interesting games, then I won't buy one.

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    11. Re:IMHO by ActionAL · · Score: 1

      i don't think nintendo did their research for the western market. i don't think the "Wii" is just offensive to the hardcore video game populace,

      because if you put the name "Wii" in the context of say the car industry, the general public would still laugh at the ridiculousness of the name and make a plethora of jokes about it, just like what is hapening now to nintendo.

      Right now nintendo has become the laughing stock of all marketing divisions around the world, except nintendo's.

    12. Re:IMHO by Mandrias · · Score: 1

      I keep reading comments like yours both on Slashdot and various other places that say basicly that Wii doesn't (and wasn't supposed to) appeal to the *hardcore* gamer.

      I'm not a hardcore gamer. I don't play FPS games, nor do I play MMORPGs. I don't own a PS1, PS2, XBOX, or XBOX360. I have a gamecube and rarely play it. I am a casual gamer that likes fun over graphics anyday.

      I am not a Nintendo apologist like so many of the so-called "non hardcore" people's comments I keep reading. Wii is a lame name on so many levels. Even removing the childish innuendos the name is still confusing and innefectual. Still want to argue? Try imagining this: You haven't had much time in the last month to play with your new Wii. But now that the kids are asleep, you and your wife break out the new game you picked up. "Oh, honey I can't wait to play Mario Wii with you." "But dear I thought you wanted me to pick up Super Peach's Tennis Wii."

      If you can say that without feeling a little bit stupid then I envy you. Appending Wii to game names sounds terrible and it's bound to happen.

      In short, if you have to explain how to pronounce the products name and explain some "deep meaning" that it embodies... it's probably not such a great name. Add in the fact that wee has bad connotations and Wii becomes an even worse choice for a name. The only reason I can see to choose the name is to create the hoopla we now see surrounding this marketing circus act. Perhaps that's what they want but in the end when the 12 year old jokes get old, the machine once known lovingly as the Revolution is still going to be... the Nintendo Wii.

      Ugh.

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    13. Re:IMHO by dogbowl · · Score: 1

      Simply knowing what a SNES controller looks like (and even more - commenting on its buttons) shows that you are 99% more likley a "gamer" than the typical consumer.

      And Nintendo is going after the typical consumer here, not you.

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    14. Re:IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it just shows that he or she is a casual gamer who happens to be at least twenty years old.

      Seriously people, starting early does not mean you had to become hardcore.

    15. Re:IMHO by brkello · · Score: 0, Troll

      You have to be kidding me. Nintendo can do just about anything and you guys will desperately rationalize it. You know, they have done some very stupid things in their history (see VirtualBoy). And this one ranks up there. The only way this name could be worse is if this was a product you were supposed to drink.

      Nintendo is a company. Companies try to make as much profit as possible. Nintendo has been losing marketshare to MS and Sony (yes yes, I know they are still profitable, but they aren't the console that is in the most homes worldwide now). How do they compete? They are trying to distinguish themselves from their competitors. They say things like "we aren't competing with them" and "we are targeting a different market" and people like you gobble that bs up like it was pumkin pie. There IS going to be Madden on this console. There IS going to be better 3rd party support this round. They are trying to make as much money as possible and this is their strategy to get there. Fortunately, if they make quality games, this stupid name won't matter. But come on, you have to be a fan boy or an astroturfer if you seriously are saying Wii is "whimsical" and means it is going to have fun games.

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    16. Re:IMHO by Trifthen · · Score: 1
      You're assuming that everyone is a hardcore gamer like you. They're not

      Would someone please tell me where this keeps coming from? Does giving something a stupid name magically render naysayers as 'hardcore' in some way? How about this: everyone I know, all over the spectrum from avid gamers to people who haven't played a video game in years, and parents with children all think the name is stupid. Circumstantial evidence? Sure, but not even the iMac drew such venom when its name was revealed.

      A few people in this thread have even posted that Japan itself is ripping on the name; not gamers, Japan, from tv spots to news articles.

      Part of the problem with this name is that it requires a blurb explaining what it actually means, a good sign the name isn't self descriptive and has no meaning of its own. Without reading Nintendo's little flash intro on Wii, most people will just ascribe whatever meaning they wish, or is more familiar. In this case, for most of the English speaking world, it's a bunch of negative slang with the exception of the onomatopoeia: 'Wheee!'.

      First impressions count for a lot, and the Wii doesn't make a good one.

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    17. Re:IMHO by Carnildo · · Score: 1
      Simply knowing what a SNES controller looks like (and even more - commenting on its buttons) shows that you are 99% more likley a "gamer" than the typical consumer.


      I know what the controller is like because I rented an SNES once, spent half an hour never hitting the correct button in Super Mario World, and I haven't bought a console since.
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    18. Re:IMHO by j.bellone · · Score: 0

      I already have a Wii.

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    19. Re:IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Oh, honey I can't wait to play Mario Wii with you." "But dear I thought you wanted me to pick up Super Peach's Tennis Wii."

      If you can say that without feeling a little bit stupid then I envy you. Appending Wii to game names sounds terrible and it's bound to happen.


      I love contrived examples. This one seems to keep popping up, too.

      These sound just as stupid as if you were to say "Oh honey, I can't wait to play Mario Gamecube with you." Or "I can't wait to play DOA XBox with you." Or "I can't wait to play Gran Turismo PS2 with you."

      The only time that Nintendo used the name of its console as part of the name of its titles was a on few SNES titles (i.e. Super Metroid) at the beginning of the N64 era, and in those instances it rolled off the tongue easily.

      BTW: I wouldn't feel stupid for saying either of those sentences. They're freakin' product names. It's not like I'd be saying "Yeah, I'm gonna go out and buy a copy of 'Mario IAmAMoron', which admittedly would sound pretty stupid.

      --Jeremy

    20. Re:IMHO by Mandrias · · Score: 1

      Contrived?

      Perhaps the Tennis one is over the top, but I was just trying to make a point and certainly you can see them calling a game Mario Wii or some mutation of that.

      (I can see it now at E3 next year. Someone dressed as the Tingle character will announce the new Zelda Wii.)

      They like the short names that can be used in the manner I suggested. That's why we saw GAME_NAME 64 and why we see GAME_NAME DS. I don't believe it is contrived in the least that they will at least *try* to put that Wii crap at the end of games. It's not as crazy as you make it sound:

      http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9264/1160959221 52rv.jpg

      Hopefully the american companies and american divisions of foreign companies will see that Wii does not fit well with any game title.

      Why not name it Nintendo Us or something (You know, us as in we!)

      Whatever, it's their marketing campaign. Perhaps I'm just not privied to their genius.

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      Use the Z-modem protocol between Information Superhighway routers to compress the plaintext. ~LordOfYourPants
    21. Re:IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So basically you're saying if you happen to remember anything over 10 years old you're "hardcore"?

      Geez dude, its just called NOT SMOKING POT.

    22. Re:IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not really a gamer at all. The last time I played a video game was on an SNES at a family reunion YEARS ago. I only know about games because I'm surrounded by gamers (I live in an Engineering theme dorm). I think the name FUCKING SUCKS. The name is so bad, that I, someone who doesn't care about games at all, am laughing my ass off at how stupid the name is. The name does nothing to reach out to normal people and just serves to piss off gamers. Horrible, horrible name.

    23. Re:IMHO by berenixium · · Score: 0

      I'm trying to keep a straight face while reading your reply posts. It's all a load of Wii, as far as I can tell.

      Seriously though, I'm a parent as well as a gamer, and I'm not going to embarrass myself in front of my child by asking for a Wii in a shop. It's not the kind of thing I want to say in front of my kid. Ever. Or even talk about at home. So buying one isn't going to happen. I just hope Sony don't change their next-gen console's name to 'P3.3'

    24. Re:IMHO by panthro · · Score: 1

      Not at all, I've never bought a Nintendo product firsthand in my life and I'm decidedly anti-corporate. The name Wii just brings a smile to my face set against the misguided seriousness of other system names.

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      If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
    25. Re:IMHO by panthro · · Score: 1

      Would someone please tell me where this keeps coming from?

      It comes from the GGP talking about games like Quake, Doom and Warcraft. It comes from hardcore gamers perpetually being 'insulted' by the unseriousness of the name Wii.

      Part of the problem with this name is that it requires a blurb explaining what it actually means, a good sign the name isn't self descriptive and has no meaning of its own.

      Yeah, because names like Genesis, DreamCast and XBOX describe functionality...

      Why does it anger you so much that not everyone thinks it's a dumb name? Stop taking it so seriously, I think that's where the problem lies.

      --
      If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
    26. Re:IMHO by panthro · · Score: 1

      i don't think nintendo did their research for the western market.

      Yeah, I'm sure they just forgot about us. D'oh!

      Right now nintendo has become the laughing stock of all marketing divisions around the world, except nintendo's.

      With the amount of attention the mere name of their upcoming product is generating, I would imagine they've become the envy of marketing divisions around the world.

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      If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
  14. Scene from french store... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guy walks into the store, ask the clerk: " - Bonjour monsieur, je voudrais une Nintendo Wii. - Une nintendo Wii?. - Oui! " /ducks in shame

    1. Re:Scene from french store... by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Wii is female?

      --
      Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
    2. Re:Scene from french store... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'oui' as no gender but 'a game console' is 'une console de jeux', hence, by contraction, Wii is female! but so are PS3 and Xbox360!

  15. Wii don't need no education. by slashbob22 · · Score: 1

    Wii don't need no thought control. No more students in the classroom. Nintendo, leave the Rev alone.

    --
    Proof by very large bribes. QED.
  16. Stupid Nintendo by winmine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those dumb Nintendo marketers, they only got FOUR slashdot frontpages from a name change. C'mon, they can do better than that.

    1. Re:Stupid Nintendo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wait for the dupes.

    2. Re:Stupid Nintendo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And on a similar note, at least their slew of headlines aren't about release date slippages, feature removals or manufacturing problems.

    3. Re:Stupid Nintendo by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Considering that a new type of horse in world of warcraft gets eighteen articles, this is pretty poor.

      Never mind that everyone in the media talking about the name have been tearing it to pieces.

      Imagine kids telling their parents what they want for Christmas: "Mummy I want a wee."

      This name is a fucking disaster.

    4. Re:Stupid Nintendo by Gulthek · · Score: 2, Funny

      Disaster? Have cities been leveled by the sheer awfulness of this name? Have populations of screaming masses been filmed fleeing its destruction? Are cancer rates around Nintendo HQ tripling?

      What in the world do you mean by "disaster"? Do you really think that the system will tank because of the name "Wii"?

    5. Re:Stupid Nintendo by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Those dumb Nintendo marketers, they only got FOUR slashdot frontpages from a name change. C'mon, they can do better than that.

      If that's what they're aiming after they should have called it the Nintendo Linus Torvalds Has Stolen UNIX. Launch titles might be Super Mario SCO or Smash Bros. Lawsuit.

      --
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  17. To those who complain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    To those who are complaining that people are still making fun of the name:

    People *still* make fun of the Wang computer, and it's been out forever.

    "UHAHAHA I GOT ME A HARD DRIVE FOR MY WANG UHUHUHUHUHHA!"

    Classic.

  18. Nintendo wins by Trails · · Score: 1

    Given the amount of babble on the net about this, and the 4 Slashdot articles in the last four business days, I'd say that Wii is thus far a complete and total success.

    People knock their marketing department because it can be construed as urine, but you know what? We're all talking about = they win.

    People who say they should have left it as revolution (I like revolution too, don't get me wrong), have missed the point. The Nintendo marketing department has gaffed, they've had a resounding success. They're generating buzz and "word-o-o-mouth" (even if it is online word-o-mouth), which is what marketing is all about.

    1. Re:Nintendo wins by Trails · · Score: 1

      That should read:

      "The Nintendo marketing department hasn't gaffed, they've had a resounding success. They're generating buzz and "word-o-o-mouth" (even if it is online word-o-mouth), which is what marketing is all about"

      Mental note: use the preview fucntion next time.

    2. Re:Nintendo wins by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 1

      People also talk alot about AIDS and the war in Iraq. PR coup there too?

    3. Re:Nintendo wins by Carnildo · · Score: 1
      Given the amount of babble on the net about this, and the 4 Slashdot articles in the last four business days, I'd say that Wii is thus far a complete and total success.


      If they'd called it the "Nintendo Penis", would you expect them to get the same number of Slashdot articles? Would you still call it a complete success?
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      "They redundantly repeated themselves over and over again incessantly without end ad infinitum" -- ibid.
    4. Re:Nintendo wins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really. They lost my sale. I'm sure they lost a couple million others too. I'll never have a box marked Wii sitting near my TV. Not because of the puns and such, but merely because it sounds stupid and I'd be embarrassed to talk about it.

    5. Re:Nintendo wins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least now I understand why so many awful advertisements exist in the world: marketdroids are stupid enough to confuse brand recognition with brand value. As long as people talk about your product, you're teh win, even if it's about how stupid it is.

      Nintendo is the company the revitalized the home console market in the '80s after Atari drove it into the ground with such memorable titles as ET. They dominate the portable market, and are one of only three real home console manufacturers in the entire planet. They could name their console SUPER HAPPY FUN BUNNY RABBIT TIME FOREVER YAAAAY and it would be discussed on the Internet. Picking a name that will repulse consumers to encourage brand recognition is the epitome of fucking retarded. It's Intel Viiv all over again, only worse.

    6. Re:Nintendo wins by macshome · · Score: 1

      How about a TiVO?

      I'm assuming that your post was a joke. I think MacBook Pro is a stupid name compared to PowerBook, but I'm posting from one right now. The essence of the machine is what it does, not the name.

  19. What do women think? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of Nintendo's claims about "Wii" is that it will appeal to everyone: young, old, male, female, gamer and non-gamer.

    The only opinions about that *name* that I've heard so far have come from *male gamers*.  Those are the people who are going to buy the system *anyway*.  So why do you care?

    What about the other people -- the normal, non-male and/or non-gaming populace?  Do they care?  For now, I think probably not.  Later this year, when the system is released, will they care then?  Probably not, but I'd wager that the name will draw attention long enough for them to play with a display unit.

    Does it sound like a stupid game to you (male and female gamers)?  Probably.  Does it matter?  I don't see how.

  20. it is a terrible name for the u.s. market by ActionAL · · Score: 1

    this name is going to create an even worse social stigma, it's bad enough when girls find out you're still playing video games, it's worse when they laugh at you because you own a nintendo wee.

    for xist sakes, nintendo! change the awful name!

    nintendo should be ashamed of themselves, we should all send emails to nintendo to get them to change the stupid name.

    1. Re:it is a terrible name for the u.s. market by Guppy06 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "it's worse when they laugh at you because you own a nintendo wee."

      Oh yeah, because they're all over you when you just utter phrases like "playstation" and "xbox." It's just like those commercials they air on Spike, I tell you!

      If anything, "Wii" will score you cute points. Never underestimate the power of T3h Cute.

    2. Re:it is a terrible name for the u.s. market by squiggleslash · · Score: 1
      I'm sure they will laugh just as hard as they did when you inadvertantly revealed you were gay by saying you were going to play with your game boy.

      Wait? They didn't? And nobody thought anyone was gay despite the obviousness of that joke? Damn it! Wii need a better plan than mindless double-entendres..,

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      You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
    3. Re:it is a terrible name for the u.s. market by syrinx · · Score: 0

      Somehow I'm going to go ahead and doubt that it's the Nintendo that is preventing you from getting girls.

      --
      Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
    4. Re:it is a terrible name for the u.s. market by Hast · · Score: 1

      Cute points?

      So what colour is your Wii?

      I hope they change it, it's stupid and embarrasing that they made such a poor decision.

    5. Re:it is a terrible name for the u.s. market by Aranwe+Haldaloke · · Score: 1

      If you're so terribly ashamed of owning something named "Wii",

      a) you have more important things to be worried about than a silly name;
      b) it's not like you're gonna have to shout to the world that you own one;
      c) why the hell did you buy it in the first place?

    6. Re:it is a terrible name for the u.s. market by ActionAL · · Score: 1

      are u supporting that Wii is actually a good name? !

    7. Re:it is a terrible name for the u.s. market by MythosDawn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What disgusts me the most of ActionAL's unconstructive criticism is his implication of a rather outdated stereotype that women don't/can't play video games. In today's video game market, more women play games now then in the predominately male-oriented industry of twenty years past. http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=1242 4/ On another note, even though Nintendo Wii is a rather odd name, changing it again would be a disaster as the dubious name has created a huge amount of publicity for Nintendo. I don't think Revolution would have created as much word-of-mouth marketing (the 'golden egg' of marketing) as Wii has. Besides, it doesn't matter about the name as most people know that Nintendo makes great gaming consoles and the name Wii isn't going to circumvent it. BTW, speaking of names... ActionAL???... what are you a porn star?!

    8. Re:it is a terrible name for the u.s. market by MythosDawn · · Score: 1

      sorry slashdot linked it wrong, here's raw link - biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=12424

    9. Re:it is a terrible name for the u.s. market by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      If we're talking about a console's ability to get chicks, it doesn't matter what I think of the name. However, I do recall a certain Nintendogs commercial that suggests that Nintendo has chixx0r-getting powers.

  21. Guerilla Marketing by tengennewseditor · · Score: 1

    The tech community has been talking about the Wii non-stop because of the puzzling name. That's great publicity. It matters far far more that people hear and talk about the name than whether they like it.

    1. Re:Guerilla Marketing by ActionAL · · Score: 1

      not if its negative marketing! this is like everyone knowing how small your wii wii is and laughing at it at lunchtime all month long at school. ya you just became spoken about alot, but you haven't become "popular" in any successful sense of the word.

    2. Re:Guerilla Marketing by twistedsymphony · · Score: 1

      After which several members of the opposite sex try to nab you to see if the rumors are true...

    3. Re:Guerilla Marketing by Anamanaman · · Score: 1

      ok. 4th time I've read this same retarded post in this thread. Go ask any nongeek what the fuck a wii is. They'll have no clue.

      Asked my sister last night. She said she saw it on google news somewhere but couldnt remember what it was.

      Wii doesnt mean anything. The branding department fuct up.

    4. Re:Guerilla Marketing by Kandenshi · · Score: 1

      wtf? Firstly, you're assuming it's just the opposite gender people who'll be curious? :P

      Secondly, wtf? Having a really small penis is usually considered a bad thing by most people... If you hear that a girl has a vagina that can easily accomodate a 2 L bottle of Pepsi, while her butt is taking a 2 L bottle of Coca Cola(a bad thing) are YOU going to be trying to have sex with her?

      Personally, I think I'd be more interested in checking out the guy with an above-average sized penis(though nothing absurdly large), or the girl with the pleasantly snug vagina...

    5. Re:Guerilla Marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go ask a nontechy what an XBox is. They're give you a similar blank stair.

    6. Re:Guerilla Marketing by Anamanaman · · Score: 1

      Well the ironic thing is she knew what the revolution was. So everyone who already heard of the revolution now has to figure out what a wii is.

  22. What's in name.... by technoextreme · · Score: 1

    A 360 is a complete revolution. To revolve also means to go around in circles. To go around in circles also means to make absolutly no progress. No progress in a next generation video game system is stupid. Note: This is a joke.

    --
    Ooo man the floppy drive is broken. No wait. The computer is just upside down.
    1. Re:What's in name.... by HillBilly · · Score: 1

      Yes but 360 sounds "cool", as in to do a "360" on your bike etc

      Wii just makes you think: wtf?

      --
      "Go into the hall of mirrors and have a bloody hard look at yourself" - HG Nelson
  23. Grow Up by Stalyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, Wii is a good name. It's a playful name and I think that's what Nintendo was aiming for, the more you think about it the more the name makes sense. Yes, there is some sexual innuendo involved but that makes it even more fun. And also just because some of you might be shy about talking about your Wii doesn't mean you still won't play with it all the time. I mean come on.. this is Slashdot.

    --
    The best education consists in immunizing people against systematic attempts at education. - Paul Feyerabend
    1. Re:Grow Up by Timmmm · · Score: 1

      Yes, there is some sexual innuendo involved but that makes it even more fun.

      Errr... sexual?

    2. Re:Grow Up by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 1
      Seriously, Wii is a good name.

      This is my favourite kind of Slashdot post.

      I'd argue with you, since I think the name sucks, but you said seriously, so I must consider the case closed?

      Now if the full product name was: "Nintendo Wii. Seriously." I'd give 'em props for that. That's how I always hear it expressed when someone says it the first time.

      --
      If Jesus wants me it knows where to find me.
    3. Re:Grow Up by scotch · · Score: 1

      Seriously, 'seriously' does not mean what you apparently think it means. Seriously. Case closed.

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      XML causes global warming.
  24. Miss Hooker Fan Club by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I (along with probably a few dozen other people on /.) used to go out with a promiscuous girl who's surname is Hooker. She was hot, but she's married now. Anyone want to start a fanclub?

  25. Monkey Marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The tech community has been mocking the Wii non-stop because it's a stupid name. Nintendo must be desperate for publicity. It matters far far more that the general population gets a good first impression if they are going to purchase it.

  26. Resistance is Futile by Avacar · · Score: 1
    Wii must be assimilated.

    Puns aside, the above statement is still true. Whether or not we like the name now, it needs to be assimilated by the masses, accepted as 'okay' and we move on. As has been pointed out before, nearly all electronic gadgets have rather non-sensical names when you think about it. Once they simply become a proper name, you forget how strange it sounds.

    We need to stop fighting Wii, and simply wait and let the gameplay talk for the system. Resistance is Futile.

  27. I just don't get it... by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wii may sound good on the ears of our friends on the far side of the Pacific. But to be successful here in the US of A, it'll need a powerful strong name like "Nintendo Maxx Power Xtreme GS"!

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    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

  28. We'll call it the WiiNES! by gameforge · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Michael Jackson had front-page articles for a long time. I don't think it helped him sell records.

    I realize you're either kidding, or you're an idiot.

    If he was in the headlines simply because of his outlandish name change (had he done so), it would indicate that he was already so huge that changing his name to something considerably stupid was headline news; if the music was good, he would then subsequently sell a substantial amount of records just because of all the publicity.

    If Nintendo was in the headlines because they allegedly molested children, they would undoubtedly never sell another console or game again.

    For that matter, Nintendo should have called it "The Entertainment System Formerly Known as Revolution".

    1. Re:We'll call it the WiiNES! by blighter · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Alrighty then, what about Prince's phase as "Unpronounceable Symbol"?

      I'm not a fan, and I think he still sells a decent amount of records and did even while he was switching to "Unpronounceable", but he's never sold as many as his earlier records. The name-change got him loads of press, not much of it good, and I'd guess no sales outside of his existing fanbase. (who may, for all I know, have loved his craziness with a true passion.)

      Great, now I've got Little Red Corvette stuck in my head...

    2. Re:We'll call it the WiiNES! by Evangelion · · Score: 2, Informative

      You do know that Prince renamed himself because his record label owned the name "Prince" and he decided to split with them? He had to rename himself something, so an unpronouncable name that was spoken as "The Artist Formerly Known As Prince" is a good way as any to deal with legal bullshit like that.

    3. Re:We'll call it the WiiNES! by Firehed · · Score: 3, Funny
      Nintendo Entertainment System FOrmerly Known as Revolution: NES FOKR. It'll be a huge hit! Hell, they might as well go modify the design so it resembles an oversize NES cartridge.

      However, I'm fairly confident that Revolution was just the codename (much like how Dolphin became Gamecube), but people just liked it and assumed it would be the final name. I liked it too, but having the name Wii won't stop me getting one if I do indeed end up wanting one (of the upcoming three, it's the only one in which I have a vague interest, unless an FF7 remake comes out for the PS3 which was vaguely hinted at by that tech demo a while back).

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      How are sites slashdotted when nobody reads TFAs?
    4. Re:We'll call it the WiiNES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's pretty unlikely that Warner Bros actually owned Prince's real legal name (Prince Rogers Nelson) any more than EMI owns Tina Turner. Regardless of the real name issue, there's simply no precedent: bands hop labels all the time, and take their names with them. I sincerely doubt WB gave Prince a different deal. Prince was in a "reinventing" stage and simply expressed his ire at WB in his usual drama queen style.

    5. Re:We'll call it the WiiNES! by witekr · · Score: 1

      NES FOKR, hahahaha! That made my day!

    6. Re:We'll call it the WiiNES! by RichardX · · Score: 3, Funny

      Congratulations, you, sir, have just officially named the new Nintendo console.
      Wii my ass!(*). I can't wait to get my hands on a NES FOKR

      *No, actually, on second thoughts please don't "wii my ass.". It sounds highly unsanitary.

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      Curiosity was framed. Ignorance killed the cat.
    7. Re:We'll call it the WiiNES! by c_forq · · Score: 2, Informative

      You are both kind of right. Wikipedia has a good bit on it. A big part of it was to get out of his record contract, but many think he wanted to reduce his audience size too.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_(musician)#Beh ind_the_name_change

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      Computers allow humans to make mistakes at the fastest speeds known, with the possible exception of tequila and handguns
    8. Re:We'll call it the WiiNES! by Castar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But if Nintendo were in the headlines because they named their console "The Nintendo Pedophile" it wouldn't be good publicity. They'd certainly be in the headlines, though.

      Now, granted, this name change isn't as bad as that, and it's even beginning to grow on me (I'll never *like* it, but I've come to accept it), but who knows whether it's a good thing or not? A lot of the articles I saw about the name change mentioned the puerile jokes being made on game sites. Now maybe that won't affect anyone's opinion, but I don't think it's obvious that it's a good thing. Society sometimes looks to early adopters and the enthusiasts to make their decisions, and if that crowd is too busy making fun of the name, it could scare some people off the product.

      I took hope from a Joystiq column where they asked non-gamers about the name - only one of them associated it with anything like urine, and that was obliquely (she thought it sounded like the name of a chic toilet). So either gamers are collectively less mature, more willing to speak their mind, or good at taking memes and running with them until every last shred of humor has been drained (in Soviet Russia, jokes drain *you* of humor).

      Anyway, of course I'm still looking forward to the console, I still plan on buying one, but I hope that Nintendo knows what the hell they're doing.

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      I yearn for you tragically. A. T. Tappman, Chaplain, U.S. Army.
    9. Re:We'll call it the WiiNES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point is that not all puclicity is good publicity.

    10. Re:We'll call it the WiiNES! by cfuse · · Score: 1
      If Nintendo was in the headlines because they allegedly molested children, they would undoubtedly never sell another console or game again.

      Considering the amount of people who actually *bothered* to show up outside Jackson's child rape trial to show 'support' for him then Nintendo could call their console 'Underage gangbang: Jesus juice edition' and there will still be plenty of idiots willing to buy it. Geez, turning up to any trial, let alone a child molestation trial, with your home made 'king of pop' sign, screaming 'we love you Michael' is about as tasteful as turning up to a funeral dressed as a clown and riding a unicycle.

      God, imagine being the fucktard who thought up Wii? So, you're the wee guy ...

    11. Re:We'll call it the WiiNES! by mgblst · · Score: 1

      I think motorola will beat them to it. It fits in so well with the RAZR, ROKR, SLVR...FOKR. They are just not sure whether the phone will be really good, or really shit!

    12. Re:We'll call it the WiiNES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PS3

      dude, Pee? ahahahah
      it's got Pee in the name.

  29. It IS constructive. by C10H14N2 · · Score: 1

    The people who will invest a great deal of time trying to make the games to run on the console are living in fear that a crap name will make their work worth less (or downright worthless) because the juvenile customers will respond saying "dude, I don't want to play with your wee-wee, okay? Go get an X-Box 360 and we'll talk." They're screaming "please, for the love of god, name this thing something that will sell so MY products will sell." The fact that you could come up with so many painful it-could-be-worse puns should be an indication of how the 14-24 market will respond.

    Imagine if you were lined up to make the aftermarket parts in Latin America for the Chevy Nova. You'd be quite astute to full-stop your production and bitch about the doomed-to-failure name. It's hardly childish. It's educated foresight and straight-forward, cold, bottom-line business sense.

    1. Re:It IS constructive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      > Imagine if you were lined up to make the aftermarket parts in Latin America for the Chevy Nova. You'd be quite astute to full-stop your production and bitch about the doomed-to-failure name.

      Good thing they didn't, because it sold quite well. As the Nova.

      Still, I bet you'll still throw out this canard even after learnign the facts, because it sounds good and makes you look smart.

  30. Pocari Sweat == Gatorade by extrarice · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's a sports-type drink. Perfectly reasonable name for a drink, if you look at the context at which it is sold.

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    "Jesus saves, but everyone else in a 10 foot radius takes full damage from the fireball."
    1. Re:Pocari Sweat == Gatorade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you think "Exlax Crap" is a good name for a product that helps you take a dump.

    2. Re:Pocari Sweat == Gatorade by ibentmywookie · · Score: 1

      Pocari Sweat looks like spring water, until on closer inspection you realise what it is. Although, when I thought it was just spring water, I wouldn't buy it because it was called "Pocari Sweat". It doesn't evoke images of nice clean water going in to my body :-)

      Of course, the oddness of the brand name means that I remember it very distinctly, and I can picture the packaging in my mind right now as I type this.

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      -- The doctor said I wouldn't get so many nose bleeds if I just kept my finger out of there!
  31. Geez... by BTWR · · Score: 2, Funny

    Making fun of the name "wii" is so April 2006...

  32. The cuddly-wuddly Wii by Neuracnu+Coyote · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder when the haters are finally going to fess up to why they find the name 'Wii' stupid for a gaming console. It has nothing to do with the French "yes" or kiddie-talk for urination.

    It's cute, and gamers (especially the kind that spend their evenings arguing on the internet) hate cute.

    Come on, admit it. You don't want the coolest new console on the block to be adorable. Why is this so hard to say?

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    1. Re:The cuddly-wuddly Wii by Kandenshi · · Score: 1

      I don't hate 'cute' :(

      http://www.cute-kittens.com/coppermine/
      http://kittenwar.com/kittens/winners/

      And to be honest, I don't really hate Wii that much, just a little bit :P Will it stop me from buying the console though? I doubt it. I imagine it'll be the lack of funds in my bank account driving me to find my entertainment elsewhere.

    2. Re:The cuddly-wuddly Wii by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 1
      Come on, admit it. You don't want the coolest new console on the block to be adorable. Why is this so hard to say?

      Come on, admit it. You really want the new Nintendo to have a good name and be the coolest new console, even though it remains largely a mystery. Why is this so hard to say?

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    3. Re:The cuddly-wuddly Wii by DotWarner · · Score: 1

      Neu, I hate the name.

    4. Re:The cuddly-wuddly Wii by asuffield · · Score: 1

      It's cute, and gamers (especially the kind that spend their evenings arguing on the internet) hate cute.

      This does not explain the existence of Phantom Brave - a game of pure cuteness, where you pick up cute things and proceed to bash other cute things with them, until everything has been reduced to a pile of theme songs.

    5. Re:The cuddly-wuddly Wii by eddeye · · Score: 1

      It's cute, and gamers (especially the kind that spend their evenings arguing on the internet) hate cute.

      I'm not a gamer and I don't think it's cute. My beef is it's too gimmicky, like a very bad pun. I'm reminded of Jerry's problem with Whatley converting to Judaism:

      Jerry: I think he converted just for the jokes.
      Priest: And this offends you as a Jewish person?
      Jerry: No, it offends me as a comedian!

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  33. Let me shed some light on you: by EmperorKagato · · Score: 1

    For many years gaming systems have come and gone.
    Each system pushing the limits of your pockets with better graphics for terrible gameplay.
    Wii see a brighter future: games beyond your imagination and not beyond your wallet.

    This christmas, say Wii to videogames.

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    1. Re:Let me shed some light on you: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paying people to post advertisements as comments is a waste of money.

      Nintendo's BS PR is just compensation for mediocre hardware stemming from a lack of growth since the Super Nintento. Having better hardware available doesn't make games less innovative. Having worse hardware doesn't make games more innovative. And innovation is largely secondary to entertainment. Whatever makes you feel good to do for an hour or six from pushing buttons instead of reading a book or watching television. People don't crave novelty, they crave rewards. For some novelty by itself is a reward, but for most this isn't the case. People still play Tetris, Hearts, Solitaire, Chess and so forth despite no change in game mechanics.

    2. Re:Let me shed some light on you: by EmperorKagato · · Score: 1

      I'm not paid to post comments on Nintnedo Wii. I am also not an employee of either Nintendo of America, Nintendo of Japan or Nintendo Corporation.

      Trying to shed light on a possible ad that could be driven from the name.

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  34. can't believe I havent seen this yet... by Churla · · Score: 3, Funny

    ohmigawd I was going down the street and I saw this Nintendo console and I said Wiiiiiiiiii

    (Shameless threebrain reference, but I know a bunch of you get it...)

    On a more serious note, what I really see this as is a big gamble on the part of Nintendo. They are hoping to create a catchy enough name that the name gets a life of it's own on some level. It's a big gamble, and one I would not have put the remaining reputation of the company on myself.

    From a development standpoint, the thing to note here is that I would be willing to bet they're going to target marketing on this more at the child audience and much less at the young adult/adult audience (which is basically how the gamecube worked out for them.) At that level then you can target what kind of game development you are going to do on this platform. Don't expect a bunch of high concept fantasy rpg's and gory blood drenched FPS's on this one. Expect a lot of -Kart , generic sports game, generic mario franchise extension, and stuff your 6 year old niece/nephew won't be able to get enough of. All packaged in a name easy enough for a 3 year old to chant.

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    1. Re:can't believe I havent seen this yet... by Soul-Burn666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't expect a bunch of high concept fantasy rpg's and gory blood drenched FPS's on this one

      Which is exactly why the first game which was officially presented is a gory blood drenched FPS, made by Ubisoft, a 3rd party developer. The game is called Red Steel.

      While some other games introduced include a new Madden game, a game called "Sadness" in black&white and well the standard Nintendo games (mario, zelda, metroid...)

      I'd say that's pretty Wii-ked

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  35. we arn't the target market... but look at who is by Burlap · · Score: 1

    I admit it's been a LONG time since I've been a 10 year old boy, but what I do remember is that it was all about the image, spending stupid amounts of allowence money on shoes that had the right logo on the side of them, shirts with the newest sayings on them, etc... there would have been no way under the sun I would want a game system named after pee in my room. "Look at Johny, he's going home to play with his wee! HA HA HA!"....

    horid name, it's going to cost them huge in the pre-teen to 18 male market.

  36. Wii, Stupid or Clever? by Invertedzero · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The question is simply unsuitable, as it does not give us the choice of deciding that it is both or neither.

    On one hand, yes, the name is rather silly in a sense, as it has connotations that sentences the console to ridicule before it can even prove itself. However, may i ask this question? Don't you think Nintendo have already thought of the consequences? They are not going to name a console such a name for the hell of it without carefully weighing up either sides. Yes, the name does sound silly at first, but that's about it. People will get over it in a few months, both now and after release and it will become a fairly normal product name.

    The truth is, Nintendo know what they're doing with this dramatic name change. Revolution sounds 'cooler' to the casual and hardcore gamer, but would it make it stand out and known amogst the general public, like the brand name 'Playstation'? Doubtful, unless they had a particular consistent unique style of advertising campaign. With Wii, it differentiates the console from it's competitors, it gets it noticed more, and it has great marketing potential. The only thing Nintendo have to do now is keep 3rd party support going the way it has been, and pull off a decent marketing campaign to get it noticed. Nintendo wants a Revolution, but how do they get it - via 'Wii'.

  37. What about "wii" = "whee" ... e.g. having fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Wii" makes me think of the fun little kids have with swings and slides. I think it's a great name for a Nintendo machine where their big franchises are that kind of fun like Mario, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Nintendogs.

    You would think ONE developer out of a batch interviewed could figure that out instead of trying to look like a bunch of tough guys with all this negativity.

  38. Heh by g0at · · Score: 1

    And everyone complains (often rightfully so) about open-source projects coming up with stupid names. Well, such insight is obviously not limited to non-commercial enterprises!

    -ben

  39. Why the fuss? by digidave · · Score: 1

    The last console to have a great name was Genesis. NES, SMS, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Playstation, Playstation 2, Xbox and Xbox 360 are all stupid names.

    Playstation was an ok name, but Playstation 2 is the most unoriginal name ever. Xbox 360 not only doesn't sound fun, but it doesn't even make sense (why 360? What does that number signify?). At least Nintendo is trying to communicate its system's goal: wii means "we" as in we all play this system. Jokes about urinating are stupid. When you say "we went to see a movie last night" I don't giggle "he he, he said 'we'" like Beavis and Butthead do. What sound do kids make when they swing? "Weeeeee!" sounds like what I want to be screaming when I'm playing a fun game.

    Saying "wii" is also a lot easier for more languages. Revolution might be great in English, but they'd definitely have to change their name for other languages, which hurts global branding.

    If the system is any good nobody will remember that they hated the name.

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    1. Re:Why the fuss? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Xbox 360 not only doesn't sound fun, but it doesn't even make sense (why 360? What does that number signify?)"

      That might just be the revolution someone mentioned earlier.. 360 degrees = a revolution

    2. Re:Why the fuss? by digidave · · Score: 1

      "360 degrees = a revolution"

      That's not the desired definition of "revolution". Going 360 degrees means you're back where you started. The definition they want (and what Nintendo meant by their wii codename) was "A sudden or momentous change in a situation", which has nothing to do with the number 360. In fact, going 360 degrees is the exact opposite of a gaming revolution. So I guess in that case the name Xbox 360 does make sense seeing as the system is just a rehash of the same old games that have been around since 1994.

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  40. Ernest? by maddash1946 · · Score: 1
    I'm not so sure a guy named Ernest has much room to talk.

    "Am I supposed to be happy about having to go down to the DMV and tell them my name is Ernest'? For God's sake, where were my parents? I can't believe they would have let this get by"

    1. Re:Ernest? by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      "Am I supposed to be happy about having to go down to the DMV and tell them my name is Ernest'? For God's sake, where were my parents? I can't believe they would have let this get by"

      "KnowhutImean, Vern?"

  41. dont ask, dont tell... by Gridpoet · · Score: 0

    yeah, i'll probably still buy one, i just wont tell anyone....

    DOH!

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  42. Because Vista is taken by tepples · · Score: 1

    I know people who think the name of a cow is better than something meaning a broad view (Longhorn vs Vista.)

    That's because Vista is taken, multiple times. For instance, the electronic records application used by the US Department of Veterans Affairs' hospital network is called VistA. But then it could be argued that Wii is taken too.

    1. Re:Because Vista is taken by squiggleslash · · Score: 1
      Longhorn's taken too. It's the name of a surprisingly good chain of steakhouses in the Outback genre (except with a Texan theme, good bread, and steaks that don't taste like they've had the flavour boiled out of them.)

      So that can't be it.

      Personally I kind of like Vista, but then I don't have a problem with Wii either.

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  43. How can they speak for all developers? by EmperorKagato · · Score: 1

    The only well known developer is Backbone Entertainment. The rest are comments from companies that have yet to make it big.

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  44. Problem is not the name but the reason by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Interesting
    We keep hearing that the hardcore gamers are not the core market anymore at least not in Nintendo's eyes. Is this smart?

    Given that the Revolution will lauch together with the PS3 after the 360 in what may be considered a crowded market. Crowded? Well yes, if you happen to own either of the handhelds then you might realize that gone are the days of the Gameboy and even the GBA and you know can truly enjoy gaming on these without needing the eyesight of a 10 year old to make out the screen.

    That means plenty of competition. Offcourse if you are certain that you could tap a different market then your competition is aiming for then good luck.

    But does this market even exist?

    I would very much like to know how many gamecube owners own only that console (I thinkt that any person owning more then 1 game platform could be considered harcore).

    We all know the DS sells by the bucketload. Hell I overpaid to get a Lite from Lik-sang instead of waiting till the end of the year.

    BUT I am a hardcore game. The Revolution intrests me. I used to think that console games were stupid, limited, crippled (PC gamer) and I am right but the GBA thought me that sometimes this can be enjoyable. I no longer always want to play a System Shock or a Baldur's Gate. Well I want too but I can't because there are so few of them and the light bubbly Nintendo games pass the time.

    Say the DS sold 10 million units. Just for arguments sake say that an astounding 50% were bought by non-gamers. Girls who loved Nintendogs and Peach Princess (me a sexist pig?). That leaves 50% NON-non-gamers.

    Now how many of the non-gamers bought these devices on the advice of gamers?

    Who helped these non-gamers setup the wireless access of the DS? Told them in fact that you need a wireless router or access point to use it?

    Attempting to reach new markets means running the risk of alienating your existing markets.

    What I think may come as a shock to Nintendo is that there is no such thing as a non-gamer who games. Either a person plays games or they do not. The moment you get a non-gamer to game they either turning into a gamer OR a never-again-gamer. The last is harldy a market you want to enlarge.

    The name itself is not important. What matters is if this is going to be the entire style of the launch. If all the games are going to be Wii too then I would very much like to congratulate Sony and MS on winning 1st and 2nd prize in this round of the console wars.

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    1. Re:Problem is not the name but the reason by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 1

      A Gamecube is my only console. In March I probably played it for a total of maybe 5-10 hours. I didn't touch it in April.

      So, by your reasoning, I'm a gamer. I'm also a golfer and a bowler because I have done those things in my life as well (as a matter of fact, I've golfed twice and bowled three times).

      I will probably buy a Wii when I see a game on it that I really want to play. I got the Gamecube for Animal Crossing and Pikmin, but I also like Super Monkey Ball (1 and 2), and Resident Evil 4.

    2. Re:Problem is not the name but the reason by no+reason+to+be+here · · Score: 1

      i find it interesting that you think the Wii name is dumb, and then your sig references two of the stupidest sounding names for software ever. ;)

      Also, the market that Nintendo is going after is not the the non-gamer market so much as the casual gamer market, which you yourself might be becoming a member of without relizing it. You said:

      I no longer always want to play a System Shock or a Baldur's Gate. Well I want too but I can't because there are so few of them and the light bubbly Nintendo games pass the time.

      That's the impulse Nintendo is trying to catch. There are a lot of people out there who either a) do not want to play a lengthy involved game but want to play a game or b) want to play a lengthy involved game but do not have the time to invest in it, and so would rather play something 'light' and 'bubbly' than nothing at all.

      Of course, that doesn't mean that there couldn't be a great, really involved, time consuming game on the Wii/Revolution/whatever the heck they want to call it, but N is courting the people that want really good games that are good for killing that spare .5 hour a day that you have.

    3. Re:Problem is not the name but the reason by Soul-Burn666 · · Score: 1

      Friend of mine only has a super overclocked PC and a GC, no other consoles. He played the GC more than enough to justify buying it.

      Their target is Rated E for "everyone". From the "casual" gamer that only plays maybe 10hr/week, through game with mild learning curve and simple controls up to the less casual gamers that can spend time getting used to more complex controls (for example using the nunchaku) and games that appeal to them.

      Does the name matter? Sure it does, but people who want to play games for their FUN won't really care. Those who buy a console because it's cool to have a console will be reluctant to have a "Wii". Everyone will just called a Nintendo anyways.

      Btw, Princess Peach is the girl from the Mario games, Peach Princess is an importer/translator of Japanese H-games :)

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  45. On Capturing the Young by ratboy666 · · Score: 1

    I am not in marketing. This is ENTIRELY my experience. With that it mind, feel free to skip this post...

    I have two children: 6 and 8 years of age (bring on the "you can't be a real geek" jokes).

    My 6 year old is just getting into some games on the "Nintendo" (N64).

    My 8 year old has a Gameboy Advance (bday) and enjoys playing a couple of hours a week.

    When my 8 year old saw "Wii", the first question was "Why? that is a strange name. Why?". No, its prounced "Wee". "Like small?, Like PEE? Can we get two of them? Wee Wee?" At which point, she breaks down into a gale of laughter.

    At least she isn't pushing for one (however, the pressure is on for a "play station" - Look Dad, they are on sale!).

    It reminded me of the time I was working for a chip vendor, who wanted to release the "Copro" series of chips. Get it? "Coprocessed". No one with a classic education in marketing. Went along with "V-Ram" when the ads had upside-down sheep.

    Plus ça change...

    Ratboy

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  46. Disney by tepples · · Score: 5, Funny

    Would you make the same argument if they called it Nintendo Poo?

    Only Disney would release a video game product called Pooh.

  47. Non-English Speaking Gamers by kid-noodle · · Score: 1

    Matter of curiosity - do Nintendo make bigger bank from the EFL world, or the ESL (or NFEAAYIC) world?

    And is wii 'silly' in any language besides English?

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  48. Ultra was taken by tepples · · Score: 1

    Ultra 64 was a way cooler name but Nintendo64 eventually was it.

    Only because "Ultra" was taken in a major market. But then before it was "Ultra 64" it was "Reality".

    And in all honesty when I first read it I wasn't sure how it was supposedly pronounced; at first glance I read it as WWII, as in World War Two.

    Given that the Wiimote is good for both FPS and RTS, I can see how a lot of games would exploit the "War II" connotations.

  49. An observation... by bamzam229 · · Score: 1

    We like to be teabagged by a company called Bawls, but when we're faced with Wii down our throats we are suddenly offended?

  50. Brilliant name by BlueCollarCamel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Personally, I think Wii is a brilliant name.

    Think about it...

    It's the sound the execs at Nintendo make when they go down their slides that land into their boardroom chairs.

    It's the sound EVERYONE (if you don't, you're not American) makes going down a slide...

    We just spell it differently.

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    1. Re:Brilliant name by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      It's the sound EVERYONE (if you don't, you're not American) makes going down a slide...

      Wow. That's quite a specific definition for Everyone you have there. But, I'll grant you, a great example of the American definition thereof.

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    2. Re:Brilliant name by BlueCollarCamel · · Score: 1

      My sarcasm was lost on you.

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  51. MOD PARENT UP by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can understand why they don't care what people who will buy the system anyway would think about the name. I hate the name, and based on what I've heard about the system itself, I would still buy it, even despite the name. If they had named it "Flower Power", I would still hate the name, and I would still buy it in spite of the hatred, but -- and this is important -- at least I would understand why the name would appeal to other people. You're right: who would like this name? And who wouldn't have to overcome embarassment to get it?

  52. Penny Arcade's ever relevant commentary by Vaystrem · · Score: 0, Redundant
    1. Re:Penny Arcade's ever relevant commentary by Kandenshi · · Score: 1

      And let's not just limit ourselves to PA for webcomics that ridicule the name... Wii is not for Mii!
      http://www.sorethumbsonline.com/d/20060501.html

  53. Sylla? Bull. by tepples · · Score: 1

    At least every other console has more than one syllable

    "Rev'"? "'Cube"? "Lynx"? "Jag'"? "Spec'"? "Snes"? (Formerly Revolution, Nintendo GameCube, Atari Lynx, Atari Jaguar, ZX Spectrum, Super Nintendo Entertainment System)

    1. Re:Sylla? Bull. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SNES is not one syllable, it is pronounced by spelling out the letters. Lynx is only one syllable, but I've never heard any of the other abbreviations used for those systems.

    2. Re:Sylla? Bull. by SetupWeasel · · Score: 1

      You have never heard someone call a GameCube "the Cube?" I'd imagine you don't have a Cube then.

    3. Re:Sylla? Bull. by linvir · · Score: 1
      Here's the deal. He said
      has more than one syllable, sounds like an acutal product name instead of a squeal, and has some 'character' to it
      Most of the examples you give don't return false if you take all the conditions into account like a good little parser. And anyway, many of those are nonstandard abbreviations.
  54. NOW, Wait just a minute! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple loves teh cock.

    1. Re:NOW, Wait just a minute! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG, for realz. This guy knows what is up. Apple likes to choke on small horse cock. It is soooo gross. I don't even know how they are still in business, what with the cocksucking.

    2. Re:NOW, Wait just a minute! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wtf man, why you gotta be that way?

    3. Re:NOW, Wait just a minute! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cock sucking? I thought Jobs liked it in the ass! Surely he is a butt pirate!!

  55. all your base are belong to Wii... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..

    sorry... had to be done ..

  56. This is stupid by sheik · · Score: 1

    I'm failing to see why the name of a console is such a big deal. Every single person that is complaining about it is simply doing so because they are afraid of letting xbox360 and PS3 fanboys have another reason to flame them for using the nintendo console. Quit your damn complaining, I doubt nintendo cares about your opinion anyway.

    1. Re:This is stupid by Serapth · · Score: 1

      You think maybe, just maybe, its exactly because "Nintendo doesnt care about your opinion" that gamers are annoyed that they called the console Wii? It means existing Nintendo customers are no longer the core audience of the company they supported.

      Also, im seeing a cubic assload of stupidity in these Slashdot posts. People are claiming in one sentence that Wii is a brilliant name because of how much press it is getting. Then in the second sentence they say Nintendo isnt going for the hardcore crowd, but the casual gamer market... anyone else see the stupidity here? The press they are getting is *IN* the hardcore crowd. The mainstream world doesnt know nor care jackshit about Wii sofar. The only non-gamer conversations I have had about the name started by me ( they hadnt heard of Wii ), and the response was either that the name was juvenille or asked me how the hell you say it. Funny thing is, the Xbox 360 is also getting a huge amount of press on slashdot, most of it negative. So, does the "all press is good press" therefore think that the XBox 360's marketing strategy is brilliant too?

      Neither is a good reaction. Point blank, on almost every level, Wii is a bad name. Its a shame too as from the clean look of the prototype I thought Nintendo was finally shedding its "toy" image. Then they turn around and give it a name that you would figure was aimed exlcusively at the under 10 crowd, which is exactly what I thought they were trying *NOT* to do.

      Frankly though, I was hesitant to even bother posting this to slashdot. Lately anything but glowing praise for Nintendo, gets you labeled as a Sony or MS er... I mean $ony or M$ fanboy.

  57. mod that man insightful, STAT! by Hitto · · Score: 0, Troll

    Always wondered what kind of crowd needs to ascertain their manhood while playing with what is essentially AN ELECTRONIC TOY.
    Get over it, boys. Have fun with your Madden$YEAR, let me play my Mario, and stop trying to convince yourselves you bought the better console.

    Just play in your corner. Wii will be having lightsaber fights over there.

    1. Re:mod that man insightful, STAT! by Pluvius · · Score: 1

      As opposed to the crowd that needs to ascertain its maturity with a toy?

      Rob

  58. Bzzztt.... WRONG by Anamanaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's both wrong and insanely stupid. I asked a publicist (buddy of mine).

    People get confused. The correct slogan is "Bad publicity is better than no publicity". This sometimes applies to startups. However its also suspect and just something people say when they have egg in their face.

    Nintendo is the last company that deliberately tries to make mistakes to get bad publicity. When their President takes a dump, it gets covered by at least 10,000 news articles.

    So please, stop with the nonsense spin. Take a look at gamespot's video poll. Every single editor there thought the name was terrible. If nintendo does well with their wii, it despite the name, not because of it.

    1. Re:Bzzztt.... WRONG by aichpvee · · Score: 1

      The complete lack of professionalism shown by every paid video game "journalist" I've seen on this issue should have gotten them all fired. Sure the name's silly, like a kid going down a slide. But the nonstop preschool potty jokes is out of hand and people should be fired over it.

      I'm sure if anyone at a real news agency had behaved in the same manner they'd have been fired, as evidenced by the fact that none of them have.

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    2. Re:Bzzztt.... WRONG by Anamanaman · · Score: 1

      If gamespot, 1up, ign, etc acted professionally and used words right from the Nintendo marketing department's damage control warroom, I would be sick to my stomach. Hardcore gamers run those websites and they are going to react naturally juvenile in light of a really really juvenile name.

      If they got fired, I'd stop reading those publication and start reading the independent blogs that they would launch the next day.

  59. Nintendo Vagina by mikeal · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Leave it to penny arcade to nail this one.

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/04/28

  60. Re:Wait till they make follow systems by bohemian72 · · Score: 1

    Oh they'd be remiss if they didn't name the portable version Mini Wii.

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  61. Wii-ness by jshackles · · Score: 1

    I am looking forward to the sense of "Wii-ness" that this product is advertising.

  62. Egad - Revolution for a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Revolution for a game console name? You got to be kidding!! that sound like another Californian Yuppie name.

    Be a man and name it the J-9000 or something like that :D

  63. Wheee! by Dorceon · · Score: 1

    Wii is the sound fun makes when you have it.

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  64. Look at the posts. by SoapDish · · Score: 1

    A quick look at the posts about the name change shows that "Wii" is being used in the connotation they want. Just about every post that uses a pun uses "Wii" to replace "we". For instance: "Wii will be assimilated." "Wii just want to play the console." "Wii don't care about the name." There's also the occasional "Wii" used as "Whee!": I was walking down the street and when I saw a Nintendo, I said Wiiiiiii! As well as Oui: say Wii to Nintendo. Plus, I don't think many kids above the age of 5, or even below refer to urine as wee. From what I remember, most call it pee or whiz. I would say often say urine, myself. Also, think of when people get up to go to the washroom/restroom/WC/lavatory. I never hear it reffered to as wee.

  65. You're right, of course. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Headlines from The Mysterious Future:

    2006: After over a hundred years in business and only one unprofitable quarter, Nintendo is finally forced to shutter its doors for good. In spite of its lower price, innovative technology, built-in back catalog emulation, strong first-party licenses and third-party support from industry giants such as Electronic Arts and Ubisoft, the Wii's chances are destroyed by an endless barrage of trenchant insults from brilliant internet punsmiths who refuse to 'play with Nintendo's Wii.' Microsoft and Sony duel over the gradually diminishing population of hardcore gamers.

    2007: Videogame industry continues to shrink. Internet punsmiths realize that 'PS3' sounds kind of like 'piss three,' sort of. Sony is subjected to ridicule from hardcore gamers and Microsoft leaps ahead in market share.

    2010: Microsoft releases new console, the Microsoft Penetrator. Ads featuring a man whipping women in the face with his erect penis (tag line: The Penetrator. Is it in you?) are met with enthusiastic approval by the hardcore crowd.

    2011: The release of Sony's new console, the Sony Overcompensator, is too little and too late. The consumer electronics giant shutters its doors for the last time.

    2012: The Phantom is released. A console so masculine that it actually impregnates women who've never even laid eyes on one, the Phantom quickly dominates the now-anemic videogames industry.

    2013-2099: The Phantom precipitates a population boom. Resource wars trigger a new global dark age.

    2100: The end of videogaming, forever. A new era of social, civic and intellectual engagement dawns.

  66. Japanese product naming by toybuilder · · Score: 1
    It's bad enough that the Japanese have a drink called "Sweat," but at least they don't try to export it to the English-speaking world with that name. Am I supposed to be happy about having to go down to the game store to purchase the 'Nintendo Wee'?


    If you thought Pocari Sweat was an awful name to export to US drinker, how about Calpis? Wikipedia mentions this.
  67. I like it now by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    "Wii" has pissed off legions of people. Nothing that has pissed off so many can possibly be bad. Ha ha ha! Whine, GaMeRz! Whine like little piggies!

  68. Homonyms, what a concept! by atomic_toaster · · Score: 2, Informative

    We = Us, our
    Wee = Small, tiny
    Whee = Used to express extreme pleasure or enthusiasm (Dictionary.com)

    If you think about as meaning any of the above, the Wii isn't that silly of a name. Granted, if you have a puerile mind, it can also be a homonym meaning "pee". With so many words with double-meanings in the English language, you have to take it all in context. As a well-known example, "faggot" can be an offensive term for a homosexual man -- or it can be a bundle of twigs, or a kind of stitch, or a bassoon. A "fag" is a short form for the offensive term, or a cigarette. And you know damn well which one someone means when they ask if you'd give them a fag. When your child asks you to buy them a "wee", you'll know exactly what they're talking about.

    One of the major complaints about the Wii name is that it doesn't define what the product actually is. Well, neither do iPod, Dreamcast, frisbee, Dr. Pepper, Lego, Nike... And yet these all are now memorable household names. Words can be created and then given a meaning, not just the other way around.

    1. Re:Homonyms, what a concept! by nickyj · · Score: 1

      Remember that electronics store called, The Wiz? What about from the Seinfeld episode with the Wiz King? Why didn't they make piss jokes about "The Wiz"? Because we grew up, and they weren't going to make obvious piss jokes, because we aren't 8 years old anymore.

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  69. My comment on the matter. by SetupWeasel · · Score: 1

    He Hate We

    Enjoy, or not, at your leisure.

  70. Not true! It's his real name (OT I know) by Flying+pig · · Score: 1
    Engelbert Humperdinck's real name is Engelbert Humperdinck! And it is not a silly sounding name, not in his native country. He was good enough to teach Wagner's son music (no, dummkopf, that's the real Wagner, not some actor.). Hansel und Gretel is his best known work, and it's widely available; in fact, I went to a live UK performance a few years back. Good enough to have been recorded by Solti and the Vienna Philharmonic.

    There was some failed pop musician who stole the name...only a source as dubious as Wikipedia would even bother with reporting the fact. I doubt anybody will be selling his recordings over 80 years after he's dead.

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    1. Re:Not true! It's his real name (OT I know) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Riiight, a guy in his 50s taugh music to the sun of a composer who died in 1883. sell me what you're smokin.

  71. Exactly by moultano · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My girlfriend's only exposure to console gaming was watching her brother play nintendo when she was younger. I showed her to promotional video of the new controller, and she thought it looked like a lot of fun. I told her about the new name for the system, and even she thought it was a really really bad name.

    Seriously, how on earth could they have picked something that is a homonym for a word that means either diminutive, penis, or urine and thought it was a good idea?

    1. Re:Exactly by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

      Diminutive and urine yes, but penis?

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    2. Re:Exactly by moultano · · Score: 1

      Diminutive and urine yes, but penis?

      I was trying to think of where I had heard this used, and the only thing I could come up with was when I was in the locker room at scout camp when I was younger getting ready to go swimming. These two little kids were running around naked, and one of them had curled his towel into a rat-tail, and was using it to try to whack the other kid's penis. As he was doing this, he was shouting "SPANK THE WEEWEE! SPANK THE WEEWEE!"

      So ya, it may just be me.

    3. Re:Exactly by c_forq · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I really wonder if this is a regional thing. In my area (Mid-Michigan) if I hear "Wee" I think of we, yes (as in the French oui), or WHEE!!! Now if I hear Wee-wee that is another story. I don't associated wee with small unless in an Irish accent or followed by lad, lass, little, or leprechaun.

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    4. Re:Exactly by killjoe · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's a homonym for "wheee!".

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    5. Re:Exactly by moultano · · Score: 1

      If they had put an h before the two is, I'd think it was a pretty cool name.

    6. Re:Exactly by ObiWanKenblowme · · Score: 1

      It's also a homonymn for a word that means "I and at least one other" and for another word that means "yes." I agree, not the most catchy of names, but do you honestly think a significant number (and I mean significant to Nintendo's sales figures, not to you or I) of prospective buyers will refuse to buy this console solely on the basis of its name? Assuming the vast majority of customers agree it's a dumb name, most will still just mumble "what a dumb name" while they're standing at the sales counter shelling out their money for a shiny new Wii.

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    7. Re:Exactly by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 1

      My girlfriend's only exposure to console gaming was watching her brother play nintendo when she was younger. I showed her to promotional video of the new controller, and she thought it looked like a lot of fun. I told her about the new name for the system, and even she thought it was a really really bad name.

      So, now, because of this "bad" name, your GF now has more exposure to gaming consoles. Indeed, if the console was not named Wii, the odds are that she would not have had any exposure to it.

      So, from a marketing perspective, "Wii" is a win.

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    8. Re:Exactly by ObligatoryUserName · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If she thought it was a bad name you told her about it wrong. I told my girlfriend that it was named Wii - and quickly added "as in wheeeeee!" --- she thought the name was awesome.

      Simply put, the fact that the most exciting and innovative game system in the last 20 years is not targeted at hardcore gamers is a slap in the face to a subculture that takes itself far too seriously. However, since it is the most exciting and innovative system in the last 20 years any hardcore gamer without it has outed himself as something of a fanboy and/or hypocrite. Catch-22, baby!

    9. Re:Exactly by moultano · · Score: 1

      If she thought it was a bad name you told her about it wrong. I told my girlfriend that it was named Wii - and quickly added "as in wheeeeee!" --- she thought the name was awesome.

      Did you tell her the spelling? If the name had an h before the two is I'd agree with you. It definitely doesn't make me think of whee.

    10. Re:Exactly by moultano · · Score: 1

      So, now, because of this "bad" name, your GF now has more exposure to gaming consoles. Indeed, if the console was not named Wii, the odds are that she would not have had any exposure to it.

      Not true. I showed her the video of the controllers long before the new name was announced.

    11. Re:Exactly by aichpvee · · Score: 1

      Who are these people who were jumping right to "urine"? How did that even occur to anyone? Is there Internet access in preschool now?

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    12. Re:Exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Seriously, how on earth could they have picked something that is a homonym for a word that means either diminutive, penis, or urine and thought it was a good idea?"

      I'm 31, this will be my first console (after probably 5 generations of $1,000 PC gaming rigs over the past 8 years). I am fed up by the duplicity of MS OS and gaming (I find their actions are pushing me out of putting together another gaming PC), and Sony's stock has dropped in my opinion.

      When I first heard of the name change, the following occurred to me in order: (1) I was more surprised that they made a name change (I liked Revolution); (2) I thought Wii was "W2" (backwards compatible with Gamecube so an effort at making it sound like a 2nd generation console); (3) when read it was "we" then thought it sounded like "Whee!" as in something a roller coaster rider would exclaim, all rather simple and fun, rather apropo for a game console. A little while later, (4) I thought maybe the Japanese had gotten a little too much idol-like in their culture, since it sounded like they were trying for some pop band name for their product.

      Only when I hit the comments link and read the various /. and other internet sites' responses did I realize how immature or mob-mentalitied many people truly are. In fact, *I* find the responses and arguments of those who dislike the name Wii rather low-browed, boorish, and ignorant, so much so I wonder how much exposure those individuals have with other cultures or with rational thought. To me, many of the lesser arguments are like saying Xbox360 is hence referring to someone's "box" or 360 a la circle or "hole" and thereby sexual references, when it clearly isn't. People appear more insulted by the name Wii than the hijinks of the original Xbox launch.

      Further, it's clear that people identities are truly determined by product names, sort of like how people buy BMWs or Mercedes or whatever knowing shit about the product and buying it for the sake of the reputation or to get ahead of the Joneses. I think someone on /. called this low end luxury item snobbery or something to that effect.

      The closest though I can approximate the response of the "other people" is similar to when I read about some foreign film or anime being imported and there has to be a name change because the distributor thinks Asuka or Ree sounds too male, too butch, too foreign. Except in this case, I think the distributor/publisher here, Nintendo, made the correct decision, and the audience did indeed turn out to be as childish as the producers of other media outlets assume them to be.

      I realize this may be extreme to many, but if the responses were not so immature or mob mentalitied or insulting, and I did not perceive some of the better ones as passionate for the product's success, I'd think I was reading some xenophobic site bashing a foreign named product for the sake of it.

      Which unfortunately makes me either (or maybe both) an ass for thinking "everyone else" are just plain stupid, or correct and that folks are really and can't think outside of their domestic situations and nature.

      Even writing this and venting, I am rather astounded the bashing Nintendo has taken by /. for a damn simple name change. If I were in the market for a new gen console, Xbox360 is by an illegal nasty bullish hated company, and the PS3 by a MPAA, RIAA, DRM, and rootkit supporter.

      What I do know is that *I* like the name (although less than the Revolution), I will be buying the product around 2 months after it is released (always do to to see if any overt bugs or problems exist and to see demand), and I like the controller and backwards compatibility and supposed price point.

      What will I call it when I enter the store? "Do you have the new Nitendo console, the W two or the Whee?" If some idiot salesperson makes a joke, I'll calmly say I like the name and shut 'em up, and if he/she/it keeps going, I'll walk out and buy it elsewhere.

      Maybe Nintendo will rename the pronunciation to W2 or something to appease the ignorant masses, but for me, the name change hasn't changed any of my perception of Nintendo but rather of people in general.

    13. Re:Exactly by tundog · · Score: 1

      Seriously, how on earth could they have picked something that is a homonym for a word that means either diminutive, penis, or urine and thought it was a good idea?

      Actually, I think you mean synonym. Homonyms are words that sound the same but are spelled differently

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    14. Re:Exactly by mc_barron · · Score: 1

      Actually, you should read more carefully: "...that is a homonym for a word..." "Wii" is a HOMONYM for a WORD that means all those things. Wii == Homonym for wee Wee == Synonym for diminutive, penis, or urine

    15. Re:Exactly by mc_barron · · Score: 1

      God damn this stupid by-default-don't-recognize-return characters comment system.

      Actually, you should read more carefully:
      "...that is a homonym for a word..."

      So "wii" is a HOMONYM for a WORD, hence:

      Wii == Homonym for wee

      Wee == Synonym for diminutive, penis, or urine

    16. Re:Exactly by Swift(void) · · Score: 1

      "Whats this mommy" "Oh, uhhhh, thats your wee wee Jimmy"

    17. Re:Exactly by RipTides9x · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe they are onto something.

      I've yet to see a slashdotter deny that they like playing with their penis, regardless of how diminutive and urine producing it may be.

    18. Re:Exactly by NATIK · · Score: 1

      An important part of nintendo's meaning with this name, is that anyone should be able to pronounce it, and that people should understand what the console is about just from the name. I dont know about the pronounciation, but I think they have failed in the understanding department, as almost everybody I have heard of say WTF?! when they hear the name, the only ones that dosnt, are people who were told almost in the same sentence what exactly Nintendo mean with it, and some even then. In my opinion the name fails very much at what Nintendo expressed they wanted to do with it, the only thing positive I have seen them get out of it is ALOT of media coverage, and even that have been the bad kind.

    19. Re:Exactly by scotch · · Score: 1

      It's also a homonym for the 1st person plural pronoun, exhiliration, and probably some other things. Does milk spew out of your nose everytime someone says "we"?

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    20. Re:Exactly by glitch0 · · Score: 1

      homonym for a word that means either diminutive, penis, or urine

      The word you're looking for is synonym. Homonym means the same sound, synonym means the same meaning.

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    21. Re:Exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone explain the innovation in this console?

      The controller? A gimmick that will entertain perhaps a sum total of 20 more minutes?

      The next round of Mario freaking Kart, or yet another round of heavily character based formulaic, overly cutesy-because-it-distinguishes us titles?

      I didn't get the "Oh, the Gamecube had all quality 1st part titles!" Metroid Prime was clunky and obtuse, and repetitive after a while. Mario Shine or whatever? Substandard platformer in a veritable SEA of substandard platformers. Mario Double Dash, that Melee game, the Pokemon games, etc... Branding crap. Pikmin was mildly interesting, though not really astounding, and simply party fare like Warioware was neat, but you really shouldn't buy a 150 dollar console (which it was for most of its lifespan) and a 50 dollar game for a little distraction like that.

      Seriously: The last generation of Nintendo titles wasn't exactly earthmoving, and the N64 era, Mario 3D aside, was abysmal, but somehow, its the political thing to STILL, 12-15 years after they've really put out ANYTHING decent in the primary console market (not withstanding Gameboy, Color, Advance, SP, DS, DS Lite, ad infinitum), declare them the "innovators" and the "true game makers"... I call BS.

      I think the REAL "fanboys" are the ones who are so stuck on this company yet. I think the real hypocrites are the ones who can't bring themselves to call a spade a spade when said company throws out a TRULY awful name...

    22. Re:Exactly by lpret · · Score: 1
      I'm with parent on this one. My fiance is incredible at NES and SNES but never made the jump to PS/Xbox, etc. like I did. We were talking about Nintendo's new console and she was really interested in it -- she's now a 24-year-old accountant making good money and when it comes out, she'll get one. I kind of scoffed at the whole idea, but recently had a few friends over to play not xbox, not ps2, but GameCube -- better party games.

      I think Nintendo is a little smarter than we're giving them credit for. The name appeals do a different crowd -- one that doesn't require them to be in a battle over specs.

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    23. Re:Exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you fucking stupid or something? Wii is a homonym of wee. Wee being a word that means either dimunitive or urine. Or penis if you say wee wee. Read the fucking comment you replied to. Damn people on this website can be so dense sometimes.

    24. Re:Exactly by leland242 · · Score: 1

      you complete jackass for posting that as AC... :)

      I wanted to add you to my friend list.. d'oh.

    25. Re:Exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "So, from a marketing perspective, "Wii" is a win."

      Bullcrap. Wait till you see sales figures before declaring this.
      Marketing "Science" is so overrated...

    26. Re:Exactly by TRACK-YOUR-POSITION · · Score: 1

      Which unfortunately makes me either (or maybe both) an ass for thinking "everyone else" are just plain stupid, Yeah, that's definitely the vibe I'm getting. Look, I'll probably buy the console, and I *LIKE* the fact that Nintendo is trying to appeal outside the "hard core" audience, I'm just tired of all this Scott McClellan, Baghdad Bob spin away from the fact that this name is, prima facie, bizarre, combined with the strange sort of holier-than-thou posture adopted by everyone arguing for it--like they don't even like the name (you yourself claim to like Revolution better) but they just want to be better than everyone else. There's even a strange orwellian attempt to pretend that other console names or even the iPod once looked as weird as Wii. The console seems to have social gaming in mind, and that the name of the console is so awkward--that it makes me feel like an idiot when it's name passes my lips--can't be good for word of mouth advertizing. The potty-mouth interpretations of the name are common for a reason that goes beyond immaturity--if you give people ambiguous, bizarre sequences of letters or sounds, any offensive or shocking meaning is going to tend to come to mind first. It's the same phenomenon as when a musician sings overly poetic or dada-ish lyrics, and the listener's brain latches onto some humorous reinterpretation. "...the girl with colitis goes by.", "...excuse me while I kiss this guy"--everyone has a collection of those wrong-songs, and Nintendo seems to have wrong-songed themselves.

  72. Enough Already by vga_init · · Score: 1

    We all know the name sucks. Some of us are making jokes about it, some of us are kind of just looking at it and trying to figure out whether or not we can persuade ourselves to like it, and others are talking about how great and clever it is because they are in denial.

    Some rationalists argue that Nintendo is a successful, multi-billion dollar company that is quite old. They can't do wrong, right? There is no way that they couldn't have put forth a great amount of effort in choosing a name. They have clever explanations about its significance, and peple claim it's aprt of some grand marketing scheme.

    I blame this on groupthink.

    Nintendo vanguards can say what they will, but it's just an awkward name that rubs people in the United States the wrong way (I can't speak for other countries).

    Personally, I am very excited about the console itself, and I plan to buy one when it is released. I expect it to be the best console on the market holistically.

  73. Nothing's changed. by D14BL0 · · Score: 0

    It's just a bad name.

    "Revolution" packed power. It stood for what Nintendo was up for. It fit the console so well. It's control system was, indeed, "revolutionary".

    But "Wii"? Nintendo is setting themselves up for failure. This move probably cost them thousands of customers who wouldn't be caught dead pre-ordering a "Wii". That, and now they're subject to endless jokes, all revolving around "Mom, me and my buddy are going to go upstairs and play with my Wii!"

    I just don't see why they made this move. But, then again, Nintendo has done a lot of quirky things and managed to pull them off (Wind Waker, anyone?). Hopefully they'll put something together with Wii.

    But, this is just from your average consumer's point of view. From a gamer's point of view, nothing has changed, other than a label. I'm still going to (try to) purchase one when they come out. The control system seems awesome, and well worth getting a Wii for. As far as I care, they could call it the Nintendo P.O.S., and it'll still be the same gaming experience, which, in the long run, is all that matters.

  74. Maybe it's a little late in the discussion... by todd10k · · Score: 1

    But, if nintendo is trying to market to "casual gamers and non gamers", They had better realise that it's a very fickle market. Whats cool one month may not be cool the next. trends and fashions change weekly, and in a year we may see nintendo switching back to serve its "hardcore" base. Alienating it's current fanbase with arguably, imho, one of the most stupid names ive ever seen in my life.

  75. Pocari Sweat by kurbchekt · · Score: 0

    It's bad enough that the Japanese have a drink called "Sweat"

    Pocari Sweat is actually a Coke product, so blame them. Not all the world speaks English, so don't be surprised if a name doesn't translate too well.

  76. Offtopic: bloviating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I completely agree with your argument, but I also wanted to congratulate you on your outstanding use of the word 'bloviate'! That'll definitely be my word of the day for tomorrow.

  77. Re:Wait till they make follow systems by Aladrin · · Score: 1

    Jeez, you people are all missing the obvious portable version name: Wee Wii.

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  78. Warning: may induce vomiting by Thud457 · · Score: 1
    Weeeeeeeee! ?

    (I thought Sony already was using animated rodents in their PSP ads.

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    1. Re:Warning: may induce vomiting by Paolo+DF · · Score: 1

      may I reply with:
      weee!

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    2. Re:Warning: may induce vomiting by livewire98801 · · Score: 1

      I could feel that video sucking the intelligence out of me. . . that was wrong. Very very wrong.

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  79. Real Ultimate Games by dmorelli · · Score: 1

    dmorelli on these-jokes-never-get-old

    I can only paraphrase the Official Ninja Homepage website to say...

    I think I will love the new Nintendo box with all of my body (including my wii wii).

  80. I miss Beavis and Butthead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Army Recruiter: We will send you to Fort Dix.

    Butthead: Is that anywhere near Fort Nuts?

  81. Why not just call it "The New Nintendo Console"? by iion_tichy · · Score: 1

    You know the world is probably OK if people are bothered by the naming of a video console.

  82. A few notes on why I like Wii by smwoflson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    First... the word revolution is nearly impossible to pronounce by the Japanese. That means Nintendo (a Japanese company) would have to deal with that either by forcing Japanese people to pronounce 'Ls' or by significantly changing the name. Of course, that's not unheard of. But the word Wii is pronounceable pretty much by anyone. Second... the word 'Ii' is one way to say yes in Japanese. Third... this stays exactly in line with the "revolution" name by being a revolution unto itself. Game systems (especially recently) have had more aggressive, more game system sound-ish names. Xbox, playstation, genesis, saturn, dreamcast. Wii is totally different. Wii sounds like nothing you've heard of... one of the ideas behind the revolution itself. Fourth... does anyone else remeber way back when what people said about the name "Nintendo." I do. I think it was something to the extent of: "what the hell is that?" Well, here Nintendo goes again. And I for one like it

    1. Re:A few notes on why I like Wii by inu_maru · · Score: 1

      Yep, like... er... puresute-shon. In japan the people would just call it either reboru-shon or, wait for this, "rebo". Not a big deal, they may be anal in a lot of things, but english pronuntiation is not one of them.

      To my wife "wii" (uii) is cuter than reboru-shon. Also, it doesn't sounds like having anything to do with the so called (IT kakumei - IT Revolution). Didn't feel like explaining to her why americans think is dumb.

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  83. Who cares? by tkrotchko · · Score: 1

    I can't believe people are getting that excited about the name of a console.

    I mean, is "Playstation" a brilliant name? Does "Xbox" really inspire you? Is "Gamecube" marketing genius? Is N64 the name that makes you want to play? Dreamcast? Saturn? Genesis? Super Nintendo (talk about a dumb name!).

    I guess if we go by success, the greatest names in videogames are:
        2600
        Nintendo Entertainment System
        Playstation

    Because once you saw 2600, you said "yeah, that's the name I want!" and you bought it.

    And so Nintendo calls it "Wii". So what? Does the name of a console affect your desire to buy and/or play the thing? I can imagine saying "dumb name" and then you're done with it, but it sounds like a lot of folks are obsessing over the name.

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  84. No, you're just wrong. by StarKruzr · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Dick Butkus didn't choose to be called Dick Butkus.

    Nintendo thought of ALL the names they could have picked for their console, and they chose "Wii." It's a fucking stupid name, man. Nintendo fans have as much of a right to complain as Nintendo does to tell them "fuck you, we're doing it our way."

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  85. Re:Wait till they make follow systems by bohemian72 · · Score: 1

    I concede, that indeed is better.

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  86. Burning Karma... by cp.tar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Aal Yoour Deveelopers Aare Beelong Too Uus?

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    1. Re:Burning Karma... by 00Sovereign · · Score: 3, Funny

      For some reason my mind reads that with a Swedish accent...

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    2. Re:Burning Karma... by moqi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      that's right, everyone make fun of the name now.

      just remember, it will be you guys fetching us knights of wii several shrubberies after we whup your ass in some online zelda/metroid/mario/etc.

  87. blah by k-sound · · Score: 1

    A. Revolution was not the best name because it is a difficult word for the Japanese to pronounce. Besides, they would have a hell of a time battling the French and American revolution (and all others) in search engine ranks. I really believe that this day and age this is a very important factor.
    the proof:
    Revolution
    vs.
    wii

    B. Personally I don't think wii is a bad name (but that is not the point) if people are going to mock the fact that it sounds like "wee" why not mock every sentence containing the word "we" as well.

  88. Nintendo Theme Song (link) by Hootenanny · · Score: 1

    Since we're on the subject again, I reckoned that *someone* should post this... 8)

    http://www.funnyjunk.com/pages/squirrel.htm

  89. Cool names usually = failed systems by kevn · · Score: 1

    Nintendo might have a hit on their hands, think about it! All the cool named systems underperformed: Lynx, Jaguar, TurboGrafx, Dreamcast, Saturn!!! What were/are the popular systems: 2600, NES, SNES, Playstation, Playstation 2, Nintendo DS? All very lame. I hate to break it to you people but it's not about the name, the hype or the specs... It's about the games. If you have the best games they will come. \

    1. Re:Cool names usually = failed systems by robertjw · · Score: 1

      Nintendo might have a hit on their hands, think about it! All the cool named systems underperformed: Lynx, Jaguar, TurboGrafx, Dreamcast, Saturn!!!

      Actually, I would say just the opposite. The names you listed aren't exactly cool, but they are unusual or even unique, like wii. OTOH, the boring generic names (2600, NES, etc...) are the big sellers (although it could be argued that 'playstation' actually belongs in the first group). What you call 'cool named systems' were actually companies attempting to do exactly what Nintendo is trying. Come up with some gimmicky name. This actually may be a sign that Nintendo is worried about their new product.

    2. Re:Cool names usually = failed systems by kevn · · Score: 1

      there are two sides to every view. The verdict is still out on WII but in my opinion it is up there with some of the worst names for a game console, which as I pointed out may be a good sign. Look at the Nintendo DS, it's selling like crazy despite the name and the original DS being clunky looking, it's all about the games. If there are some unique and FUN games for the WII people will buy it regardless of the name.

  90. Codename revolution by strider2k · · Score: 1

    There's a reason the codename is revolution: they are planning a coup de tat of the console emperor -- Sony.

    Taken from dictionary dot com, these two definitions seems appropriate:
    1. A sudden or momentous change in a situation.
    2. The overthrow of one government and its replacement with another.

    Obviously, Nintendo changed the marketing situation of the console wars. All eyes are upon Nintendo and E3 for the "Wii". After E3, the throne will be usurped by Nintendo and Sony will either be beheaded (die in the console war) or sent to peasant land (2nd place) or exiled (last place).

    Of course, any rebels that fail to achieve their goals usually result in death.

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  91. Stick with a naming scheme that's known to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The DS is selling great and that's named after the major selling point of the system, the Dual Screens. They should do the same with the Revolution. So, let's see, the main selling point is the motion sensitive controllers. I'm guessing they use some kind of solid state gyroscope for the sensors so, basically, they're gyroscopic controllers. So there you have it, call it the Nintendo Gyroscopic Controllers or Nintendo GC for short. Yeah, sounds good, that could work. I should be in marketing.

  92. Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! by Khamura · · Score: 1

    You know, when it said "game developers" in the summary, I expected, oh, perhaps someone from a big studio? You know, one that people care about and respect? I really should stop taking those summaries seriously.

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  93. So wii is pronouced "Wee" by denis-The-menace · · Score: 1

    I thought it was pronouced "Why".

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    1. Re:So wii is pronouced "Wee" by robertjw · · Score: 1

      I thought it was pronouced "Why".

      No, then it would be spelled "Y"

    2. Re:So wii is pronouced "Wee" by denis-The-menace · · Score: 1

      What about:
      Tie => tye?
      lie => lye?
      funny => Funni?

      Think about it. lots of exceptions out there and this "wii" name was created by marketdroids that like to mispell alot. so you never know.

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  94. Aieeeeee is better than Wii by Netw0rkAssh0liates · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    There is a japanese music video that is titled Aieeeeee.
    It is half japanese and half english -- sounds like this...

    Aiee, Aiee, Aiee, Aiee -- Aieeeeeeeeee
    Aiee, Aiee, Aiee, Aiee -- Aieeeeeeeeee
    Aiee, Aiee, Aiee, Aiee -- Aieeeeeeeeee
    Aiee, Aiee, Aiee, Aiee -- Aieeeeeeeeee

    Come-on Let's go ENKJ@$PIFN@$*U@# @$F(N)F)@F Aieeeeeeeeee

    Ooh yeah @#$IM@#F @#)FM@#)F

    I yi yi yi

    230fi2f092409tg204

    I can't find the music video at the moment, but at that disgusting website Stileproject (found on a search engine) -- and the video has been "craptured" by the Admin of Stileproject, so beware of nastiness mixed throughout the video... ~10MB download.

    http://www.stilemedia.com/?v=eke1.wmv

    1. Re:Aieeeeee is better than Wii by Meagermanx · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Thanks for the link to the porn site, buddy.

    2. Re:Aieeeeee is better than Wii by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you trying to get people fired Pron Man?

  95. Aieeeeee is better than Wii by Netw0rkAssh0liates · · Score: 1

    There is a japanese music video that is titled Aieeeeee.
    It is half japanese and half english -- sounds like this...

    Aiee, Aiee, Aiee, Aiee -- Aieeeeeeeeee
    Aiee, Aiee, Aiee, Aiee -- Aieeeeeeeeee
    Aiee, Aiee, Aiee, Aiee -- Aieeeeeeeeee
    Aiee, Aiee, Aiee, Aiee -- Aieeeeeeeeee

    Come-on Let's go ENKJ@$PIFN@$*U@# @$F(N)F)@F Aieeeeeeeeee

    Ooh yeah @#$IM@#F @#)FM@#)F

    I yi yi yi

    230fi2f092409tg204

    I can't find the music video at the moment, but at that disgusting website Stileproject (found on a search engine) -- and the video has been "craptured" by the Admin of Stileproject, so beware of nastiness mixed throughout the video... ~10MB download.

    http://www.stilemedia.com/?v=eke1.wmv

  96. Honestly... by kodoleth · · Score: 1
    It's also smart to pick something that isn't trying to be super cool and edgy like the "Xbox 360." Your mother or girlfriend doesn't want something called an Xbox 360, but that's okay because they won't find any games they like on an Xbox 360 anyway (beside xarcade, that is). They might be less intimidated by the "Wii" and will definitely find Nintendo games and non-games that sound more interesting than "Madden 2007" and "GTA 2008".
    To get this out of the way: I'm tired of guys assuming that girls wont play "violent" or "manly" games. Yes, I am a girl. I also camped overnight for the xbox 360 at it's release, I've beaten all 11 Final Fantasy PS2 games, I have three pretty geared World of Warcraft characters. I can frag with the best of you.

    Anyway, now that I've gotten over my female-gamer rage...

    In my opinion, we should stop snickering behind our hands at "Wii" (look! I said "we" in that sentance! Did anyone crack up?). A console's worth does not fall in it's name, but in its specs and power. For example, I love my laptop, but I hate the name "MacBook Pro." Did that stop me from wanting to buy it? No! What I'm trying to say is... The majority of the criticism coming at the name is from gamers that already have a firm foothold in the gaming world, so the name really shouldn't matter to you.

    On the flip side, Nintendo is making a smart move with it's "friendly and cutsey" name. As a previous user mentioned with the iPod, a name is the first thing a new consumer uses to assess an item. A little name is easy to remember, and provides the less techniogically inclined consumer with an illusion of a friendly trinket that wont take them hours to figure out how to program. As apple proved, that's smart marketing to increase your customer base.
  97. NO focus groups!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did Wii arise out of a collection of names? Did they roundtable and focus test it?

    Hurr hurr hurr this person is just as bad as the marketing people who came up with Wii in the first place. Focus groups are just a magnet for mediocrity in any product because they're usually composed of ordinary joe-blows who are too ignorant about the product to give an opinion that isn't SHIT.

    Wii is a stupid name but if it's an indication that Nintendo doesn't care about the spiteful ignorance of fat midwestern housewives who make up most focus groups, and instead named it Wii out of principle... well, I'd certainly respect Nintendo even more if that's the case.

  98. Wiinies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone on this site realize that the name Wii is NOT supposed to appeal to you? The whole point is that they are trying to create a larger market for this device than the young male techno-weenie. If the name appealed to anyone reading this, the marketing dept would have failed.

  99. Wheee! by BishonenAngstMagnet · · Score: 1

    Nintendo should hire this guy for their commercials.

  100. Games lineup by not-enough-info · · Score: 1
    will Nintendo make the same 10 games again (this time with Wii on the end) or will they continue to inovate internaly and encurage 3rd party support?

    Lets see...
    1) Super Mario Wii... check.
    2) Wario Ware: Unwiired!... check.
    3) Zelda: The Musical iinstrument... check.
    4) Animal Crossing: Nook's Wiivenge... check.
    5) Star Fox: Wiing Command... check.
    6) Mario Kart 4-Wiilin'... check.
    7) Metroid omega ii... check.
    8) Harvest Moon: Wii Wii Wii, all the way home... check.
    9) Kirby: Wand of Wii... check.
    10) Mario Party 8... and, check.
    There's your starting lineup.

    Of course we'll get Pokémon and lots of Mario sports as well. But that's a no brainer.
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    1. Re:Games lineup by GundamFan · · Score: 1

      Well done! But yeah that is about it...

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  101. A brand can make or break a console's success by Khoa · · Score: 1

    There's a reason why Microsoft, Google, Yahoo, etc. are all so successful. Particularly Microsoft: its name is 3 syllables; the logo is plain and simple, with a simple font and a stylized "O". Short and sweet. People recognize it right away. This is the reason why large firms have an entire department (marketing) dedicated to researching this. "What makes our product stand out?" "What provides that 'punch'?" Wii sure is short. But I'm not sure if it's "sweet"....

  102. An internal Microsoft email ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An internal Microsoft email which will feature in a Nintendo/Microsoft trial in 2010 has slipped through a freak timewarp and come into my possession. It says,

    "Of course, we'll wee on this at every opportunity"

  103. Re:Wait till they make follow systems by ActionAL · · Score: 1

    How about Nintendo Gay Boy?

  104. It CAN be a good name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After all the dust settles, and people regain composure, there WILL be positive angles to the name.

    Imagine ad slogans such as "Wii will rock you" (complete with the rock anthem soundtrack).

  105. I've got a bottle in the fridge by garyrich · · Score: 1

    They may not market it here (unless you watch the international channels) but it's easy to find.... if you like that kind of thing.

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  106. In all honesty... by dbucowboy · · Score: 1

    Google is a pretty goofy sounding name too but NOBODY cares now that they have made their goofy name mean something.

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  107. No Shit! by astrosmash · · Score: 1

    Grow up, indeed.

    Apparently gamers will giggle uncontrollably when hearing the phrase "we went to the store" and will squirt milk out of their noses when someone mentions golfer Michelle Wei.

    If anything, Wii is a slightly childish name, and in that respect Nintendo apparently got it right on target.

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  108. Almost as dumb as... by ppp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... a game about a jumping plumber. Those Nintendo folks are just marketing idiots, and I love 'em for it.

  109. It's a plot by drew · · Score: 1

    A large part of me thinks this a just a plot so that everyone will just refer to it by the generic name "Nintendo". I suspect that there is still a large part of the non-gaming public that still thinks that "Nintendo" == "game system" the same way that "Xerox" == "copier", "Kleenex" == "facial tissue" and "Coke" == "sugary carbonated beverage", and I think that this is Nintendo's attempt to capitalize on that. Seriously, I would never go into a store and tell someone that I want to buy a "Wii", I will tell them that I want a Nintendo, and I cetainly won't ever ask anyone where the "Wii games" are.

    I also have to observe that most people here who were looking forward to buying a Revolution haven't suddenly decided not to buy i because it is now known as "Wii". So in that sense, this is a success in that Nintendo has generated a huge amount of buzz while not actually losing any of the customers that were probably going to buy it no matter what it was called.

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  110. Nope... by C10H14N2 · · Score: 1

    I used it because it's amusing and makes the point. If some pissy pedant couldn't see the forest but for a toothpick, I'd just use a different amusing example of why names are important and culturally sensitive. Say, this one:

    http://www.nytimes.com/specials/hongkong/062797hon gkong-services.html

  111. The connotation lingers. by moultano · · Score: 1

    Regardless of whether you are consciously thinking about the other meanings for the word, their connotation is still going to stick with you when you say it. Imagine for instance if the machine was called corpse or cadaver. Your initial reaction is going to be bad regardless of whether you mentally distinguish the game system from an actual dead body. That's the type of feeling that most of us are getting with this name. We know that the system isn't urine, or a penis, but the connotation of those things still arises when we hear the name.

    Wii is just really awkward to say.

  112. DON'T VISIT website WITHOUT TEXT-ONLY browser by Netw0rkAssh0liates · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    My apologies, people. It's not a Pr0n link, on my perspective. I just see the "Download eke1.wmv" link, then it goes to a huge page with some crap that I need to scroll past (admittantly advertised Pr0n), but none of this gets in my way because I used LYNX webbrowser!

    Anyone that uses a graphical webbrowser while at work deserves neither security or safety.

    Sincerily,
      Bob Gorvand, Network Associates

  113. This is not the first time... by Blackjax · · Score: 1

    This kind of mistake is common. When I was in business school, one of the great instances of this that was cited in our textbook was a rather unfortunate product launch related to the character woody woodpecker. There are many versions of the story on the net. Here for example:

    http://www.petting-zoo.net/~deadbeef/archive/1959. html

  114. You'll get used to it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given some time, everyone will be used to the name. Some people are saying it's a bad name because people are going to make jokes like "Wanna go play with my wii?" Come on, that's not going to really have an impact on sales or how well the system does. Thinking that name is going to ruin them is like saying Virgin Airlines was going to fail when announced because people would make jokes like "Wanna go ride a Virgin?" Everyone will get used to it and it won't be a big deal.

  115. I have to disagree with this. by ChrisGilliard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It changes my opinion of the Nintendo marketing department considerably. Did they even bother to research this?

    The Nintendo marketing guys who came up with this are geniuses. I've never heard more about a new game console release than this one.

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  116. Developers? by Afrosheen · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one that noticed this was coming from a bunch of no-name developers?

  117. MOD PARENT UP!!! BRILLIANT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Simply put, the fact that the most exciting and innovative game system in the last 20 years is not targeted at hardcore gamers is a slap in the face to a subculture that takes itself far too seriously.

    Dude you SO hit the nail on the head. It is impossible to add to that - my sentiments in a nutshell.

    1. Re:MOD PARENT UP!!! BRILLIANT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. And since when would gamers be embarrassed by something? They're gamers, and most of their lives are embarrassing. (Sorry, it's true.)

  118. People will call it their "Nintendo" by Ponzio+Fucetola · · Score: 1

    It doesn't matter what the model name is.

  119. I have only three words to say to you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Touch my Wii!

  120. Call letters? by slapout · · Score: 1

    "WII -- your station for all the great hits of the 80s. Up next Shorty Smith with the weather."

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  121. this is /. think about it by tubapro12 · · Score: 1

    What good would considering the opinions of /. readers be anyway if you're already assuming gamers won't like it... /. is for geeks, most geeks are hardcore gamers too. Basic statistics here people... lol DISCLAIMER: Generated by a random text response bot.

  122. Revolution by neokushan · · Score: 1

    Has anyone else noticed that a 360 rotation is a full revolution? 'Tis a sign, I tells ye!

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  123. Sony and Microsoft sure did better by 3.14159265 · · Score: 1

    Still, I don't recall reading about the greatness of their choices.
    Xbox360? Bloody brilliant. Turn a 360 and get some more. Of the same?
    PS3? How imaginative and original is that? Truly awesome. Take a PS2, add a bit to it, and get some more. Of the same?
    I for one can't wait to see the fun-and-original-gameplay-loaded-that-couldn't-pos sibly-be-seen-in-the-xbox-or-ps2 games that are surely coming, really!...
    Wii? I don't know, but wouldn't Gamecube2 have been a much better name? :)

  124. Not all good news by Trogre · · Score: 1

    I hear the scottish version of this console is shipping with a Wii DRM.

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  125. It's an acronym by chunter203908 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    'wii' stands for We Ignore Idiots.

    Without reiterating too much of what's already been said, the notion that video games are for 20-30 year old males must die. Nintendo are right to steer towards a better target.

  126. In the pudding. by EinZweiDrei · · Score: 1

    Here's proof that the name change could not have been any less of a publicity success: One already, only a few days after the news broke, gets Google results for 'OMGWTFWII'.

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  127. "most" men? by gaijin99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And naturally you have demographic evidence to back up your statement that over 50% of men will refuse to buy the Nintendo Wii simply on the basis of its name, yes? Of course not, you were just talking out of your ass.

    Personall I'm a man, and I'll be buying one even if they decide to rename it "My Dick is Small" or the "For Men Who Need Viagra" or whatever. I'll be buying one, and not a Sony or Microsoft for two reasons: Zelda and Metroid. I can't afford multiple consoles, and those two games series are important to me, thus Nintendo gets a sale no matter what they call the console.

    Besides, no one I know actually calls their Game Cube a Game Cube, they just call it a Nintendo. That's what they'll call the Wii too.

    In general though, people use all sorts of stupid sounding products every day. I'm running GNU/Linux (Guh-new Luh-nux) for my OS, someone already mentioned the Gimp for photo editing, when you think about it the PS3 sounds like "piss three", UNIX sounds a lot like "eunichs" (and people make stupid jokes about it too), I write programs in a language called "PHP" which also has the potential for urine jokes, etc, etc, etc. Stupid names abound, and they don't stup things from being used.

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    1. Re:"most" men? by gaijin99 · · Score: 1

      Ahem. Typo. That should be "Guh-new Line-uks"

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    2. Re:"most" men? by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      How large a percentage of men drive the new VW Beatles? They're good cars with decent performance and room inside. Find the number of straight men that don't work for Geek Squad that drive them. I can tell from observation that it has to be a really low percentage. I'd be surprised if 10% of them are driven primarily by men. I'd bet most the guys that do use a "It's my wifes." excuse like when they have to carry a purse or buy tampons. I don't know any studies on those either but if you argue that men don't avoid doing those things then you're blind. You're whole argument that branding doesn't matter is bullshit as anyone with any business or marketing experience should know.

      I'm not claiming that the Wii has anything wrong with it technically - just that the branding will harm it's adoption.

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  128. Wii not exactly a game console by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One big gimmick after another.

  129. iPost by Goldrush · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised that nobody thinks that the name Wii is an attempt to attract the Ipod crowd. That was my actually my first thought when I saw the name. Just like how 360 was meant to make the XBox sounds superior to the PS3, the two i's in Wii might be trying to take advantage of the connection the letter i have to technology and style. Not to mention the influence the Ipod clearly had on the console and the controller...

  130. "Wii" more presumptuous than "Revolution" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first thing that came to mind when I heard the new name was "Whee!" as in, "we're going to have fun!" Now, who's to say that people that play the console are going to be enjoying themselves enough to utter a squeal of delight such as this? Words like "Playstation" and "Gamecube" were descriptive names of the piece of solid-state electronics used to play games. They made sense. "Wii" has so many connotations, and not a single one of them describe the system well. "We?" Maybe I want to play single-player. "Whee"? You're presuming your console is that much fun to control? "Wee"? It's small. Who cares? Or are you trying to say the CD drive leak yellow fluid every once in awhile?

  131. When will someone Create the Wheeeee Wii Video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone's seen this Firefox 'Ad' Right?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZ0j7vtKEQ

    Wheeeeee!. Er, Wii!!!!!!!

  132. Sony To Rename PS3 ... New Console Called Poo by cbnmedia · · Score: 0

    As a reaction to Nintendo, Sony have decided to rename the PS3 as the Poo. That's right, this christmas it will be a full on retail battle between the Wii and the Poo. Who will win? Only time will tell.

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  133. Japanese drinks by Slovenian6474 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I was in Japan a year ago and ran into a drink call "Calpis" I was disappointed when it didn't taste like cattle urine in the least.

  134. The console link cable is called (sorry) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wii-Wii ... I said I was sorry *ducks as the rotten vedge gets thrown at him*

  135. mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    excellent, sir. i feel exactly the same way and it's refreshing to see that i'm not alone.

  136. IT SHOULD BE NAMED..... SNES II by urantia007 · · Score: 1

    That's all nintendo have to do to turn this wii problem around while getting support from eveyrone around the world. The "super nintendo entertainment system II" come on mod me up, this is a brilliant idea! who's with me!?

  137. STOP! by Killshot · · Score: 1

    I want no more articles about Wii unless it has to do with the actual technology or games behind the name.

    If it looks like it will be a good console with good games then I will buy it.

  138. Coke! by Vegan+Pagan · · Score: 1

    Coca-cola is named after a drug, and look how that did.

  139. A revolutionary idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are aware that there is no barrier for people to continue referring to it as the revolution.

  140. w-i-i by john_uy · · Score: 1

    i know pronounce it as w i i or w double i. oh wait...

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  141. Who would be too embarrassed? by wintermute1974 · · Score: 1

    Also, who the hell would be too embarrassed to ask for a Wii?

    Customer: "I'll take a Wii please."

    Store Clerk: "The food court is down the hall."

  142. Sony Wega... by Forbman · · Score: 1

    Well, what the hell exactly is a "wega" (pronounced Vega)?

    I still bought an XBR-400 a few years ago, despite the name. It's a pretty bitchin' tube TV, even though it's named after a "economy" car from the 70's.

  143. Machine translation from Japanese by wintermute1974 · · Score: 1

    Google Translate absolutely chokes on this. The "Japanese(BETA) to English" utility spits out hiragana, katakana and kanji characters. How English is that?

    Can anyone do a quick translation here for the anglophone crowd?

  144. Re:Nintendo wins/loses/draws by wintermute1974 · · Score: 1

    Do you often find yourself remarking: "My subconscious enjoys me?

  145. Sveedish Chef! by rockchops · · Score: 1

    Jeun goe di, die hommeu di, je bork de du di mmm bork bork bork! Es weg di hög des wög aal yoor develuupers aru beluung to us!i. Um gesh dee bork, bork!

  146. why not just call it the 'R'? by horos2c · · Score: 1

    No seriously, why not just call the damn thing 'R'.

    It both leverages the revolution moniker, AND gives them the team-building connotation they are looking for, as in 'our'. As in:

    R controller
    R new direction in gameplay,

    etc. etc.

    You can also call the controller the Rmote, make it cute by making it lower case (if they so desire). Plus of course NO DAMN SOPHMORIC JOKES.

    Ed

    (ps - just a disclaimer, I saw this on digg first, but it seems apropos to post it here, just to spread the meme.)

  147. Names of high profile things need to consider this by moultano · · Score: 1

    Amazon.com was originally going to be called Cadabra as in abra cadabra, but someone thought it sounded too close to cadaver and would have a negative connotation. They changed the name. I wasn't suggesting that people are seriously going to be consciously associating the console with the various meanings of wee, but subconsciously the connotation carries over.

  148. Why I think they chose that name by JRGhaddar · · Score: 0

    It is a stupid name. To me, and most people over the age of 10, but remember nintendo's past market share has been kids, and they would like to keep that market share.

    Calling there system war machine or revolution is a little too complicated for kids. A three year old can say the name of this product very easily, and nintendo wants to get them hooked young.

    Now as to the older generation Nintendo has a few things up there sleave to capture that as well. Mainly the ability to play old retro nintendo games that we all grew up on, plus the ability to also play all the old sega genesis games as well. That draw will help them capture some of the older gamers, but the real key for nintendo is if they can land the latest and greatest gaming titles for their platform.

    Landing the latest titles by the like of companies like Rockstar Games will solidify the possibility to capture all three markets. Something no gaming company has done is a long time.

    Nintendo is just trying to retain its previous market share, and of course that is young children, and in the process snag some of us in the process.

    For the record I hate the name, but I understand why the chose it.

  149. you are denied by Scudsucker · · Score: 1

    No, it's not a good name. In case you were asleep, they already had a perfectly good one: Revolution. Now they've change it from that to something that is flat out fucking stupid.

  150. I don't think the name is dumb, the reason is by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1
    vi and emacs both stand for something. They do not have a mission statement that is expressed through the name or some other marketting crap.

    Wii had to be explained. Worse the explenation is one of new age crap about i and i coming together and taking a piss or something.

    The name on its own I can live with. It is the whole "meaning" thing that gets up my nose.

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  151. Man, you so didn't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Humperdinck

    What he's smoking is called education. His whole point was that the guy in his 50s took the name from a famous composer who died in 1921.

  152. Great Name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First time I saw the name, I tried to spell it out loud for a friend and it hit me:

    Double you, double I = We

    Genius

    On top of that, everyone I've met who's heard of the name change has said "Wii? Wheeeeeeee!!!"

    It just pushes the idea of you and me playing together Mario Kart shouting "wheeee!!!" and having fun fun fun!

    Most people who deride this name appear to be hung up on the childish notion of "wee-wee": get a grip. Anyone to associates this name with that is either under the age of 10 or REALLY has to get out more.

    1. Re:Great Name by ActionAL · · Score: 1

      The western connotations, pronounciation and displeasing phonetics of the name override the semantics of "wii"

      the name itself is becoming a stigma because of the plethora of derogatory associations of that word with other words and meanings used here in the west.

  153. Shh! by jrmiller84 · · Score: 1

    For God's sake, where was Miyamoto?

    Shh!! Don't interrupt him or they'll delay Zelda again ;)

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  154. Big Deal. by tomyjade · · Score: 1

    It's a Nintendo. Call it a Nintendo. Alot will buy it, and alot will enjoy it. Anything to get outta soul-absorbing MMO's and redundant first-person shooters. Just bring back "Strider". It's all I want for christmas!

  155. Any publicity is _not_ always good publicity by xtieburn · · Score: 1

    Im seeing dozens of comments pointing out how many headlines Nintendo have stolen, how many people are talking about it, and claiming this as some sort of victory.

    The saying any publicity is good publicity refers to people not pieces of hardware. If Jack Nicholson gets caught shagging a prostitute with that big grin on his face he will get infamous and probably a few movie deals. If Nvidia come out with an advertising slogan saying. "Buy our graphics card even though we havent finished the drivers and itll probably blow up your computer" They wont sell any units despite the many headlines im sure that would steal.

    Now the name Wii certainly isnt a faulty graphics card that blows up computers, but, assuming that because a piece of hardware has gained lots of publicity thats always going to be a good thing is ridiculous.

    Id be fairly stunned if Nintendo didnt alter the name before release. Id be even more stunned it this terrible name got them a single sale because of the interest its generated. Theyll no doubt make a fair bit of cash but itll be despite the name, not because of it.

  156. I heard their next console will be P-NES by ylikone · · Score: 1

    P-NES is probably a lot worse than Wii.

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  157. What the Wii will do. by coorongcat · · Score: 1

    So many people have heard about the Wii now and so many of them think that it is a stupid name right.

    When they go into the store to buy something theyll be like "oh theres that stupid Wii! lets see how stupid it is!" and when they play it they will go "Shit man that was so good! Why the hell did I pay it out so immaturely."

    That is how Nintendo have helped their cause and besides, Wii aint that bad as a name. At least Nintendo have the guts to name something unique and completely different. Unlike Sony who are coming up on the fourth console to use the Playstation name. Cmon they know that if they stop using that name they are back on the same playing field as Nintendo. Xbox and Xbox360. What a stupid name! A box with an X on it! Shit thats an innovative! Sounds depressing to me.

    Nintendo's name describes what the system is about; and everyone knows it now! You will enjoy it, just find the balls to admit it - or 'wii' off!