1) If there was a need the commercial sector would have come up with those without govt aid. 2) Govt could have funded research and manufacturing under a different budget then the military. That way more inventions would have been put into civillian use. Furthermore more research would have been done in public leading to even more innovation. 3) Two words: Space Program.
We don't need to kill people to get GPSs you know.
The suit is frivolous because SCO is accusing IBM of stealing something they can't even prove they own.
Until the issue of ownership is settled this whole case is moot.
"It's certainly not perfect, but I'd be more nervous about a system that short-changed the opportunity for people to have their grievances aired in court, at the sole discretion of a judge."
Don't worry, despite all the so called pre-cautions it's virtually certain that we have executed innocent people. We have certainly executed mentally ill and retarded people.
No need. There was no need to spend a jillion dollars on star wars either. The military is the last bastion of spending money like it's going of style. The sheeple are easy to scare and become compliant when you present a boogieman for them. Ruskies, chinks, gooks, a-fucking-rabs, they are all out to get us donchaknow. They hate us because we are free and good and nice and rich. Please don't ask about that black budget or the military budget, or all the private contractors that we hire out to kill the bastards.
"Today, the rich (and middle-class) increasingly find they have no use for the poor whatsoever. "
Well they still need the poor to raise their kids, tend to their gardens, drive their cars etc. Likewise picking of fruit and vegetables isn't being done with machines yet either. Apparently though our poor are not poor enough, we have to import them from mexico and even ship our work to them in vietnam (cos those fucking mexicans charge too much god dammit!). But I see where you are coming from.
No need to worry though. The poor will come in handy when your kidney goes or joints give out.
there is no limit to how far humans will go. In the future as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer people will be having kids just to sell them for parts for the rich who have destroyed their livers through drinking and lungs though smoking.
There will also be nations who have nothing left to sell except their humans. They will be breeding slaves for that purpose.
The problem with capitalism is that eventually everything will be a product
Obviously MS isn't going to sue everybody who infringes their IP. They didn't sue Apple even though they patented the clickwheel after the ipod came out.
So obviously they are going to pick their targets selectively. They will go after mono if mono presents a threat. Obviously mono can not threaten them until its compliant and from the pace of things it will never catch up to MS development.
The tax code is that way because the rich and powerful and the corporations have lobbied the congress to make it that way. This way they can game system. Sure once in a while it might bight them but win way more then they lose.
As for the average joe I will quote a taxi driver from the middle east I once saw on TV. "The govt lets us cheat a little on our taxes so we will look the other way when they cheat us a lot".
MS has hinted at various "intellectual property" around the.NET platform. They have flat out said that they intend to vigorously defend their intellectual property (both gates and ballmer have said it). When asked outright whether they intend to hold the mono project harmless from patent litigation they have refused to give them blanket immunity.
So no specific patents but a penumbra of eminations from the top brass MS hints at things that may happen in mono ever becomes a threat to MS.
Right now it's just a somewhat compliant.NET implementation which will soon catch up with the oldest.NET implementation from MS. By the time vista comes out mono will be so far behind it will be a joke.
Supposedly we have something even better then loser pays. Supposedly the we have given judges the power to throw a frivolous case out before it gets anywhere and cost people millions of dollars.
Alas most judges do not exercise that right. They are perfectly happy to let any old case get to court no matter how baseless or silly. Here is how it should have gone.
SCO: We accuse IBM of violating our copyright by copying UNIX into Linux. IBM: We did no such thing. Judge: SCO, what code do you allege IBM copied. SCO: We don't know. Judge: Can you prove you own UNIX SCO: Not really Novell is claiming they own it but we claim we own it. It's in litigation right now. Judge: Case dismissed.
The judge should have stopped the case before SCO got a chance to drop the copyright violation charge and switch to whatever they are alleging now.
So let me get this straight. Obviously your clients employ some of the dumbest people on the planet. So stupendously stupid that they can't even figure out how to use their fucking phones. And yet these people happily use windows wihtou ever calling you for support? They are never confused by windows? They never need retrainign when windows goes from 2k to XP to vista?
I call bullshit. I bet those retards working there are constantly getting confused by windows and it's cryptic error messages and mysterious slowdowns, lockups, locked files, re-arranging icons, ever changing taskbars etc.
Lets face it this company is hiring people who are too stupid to understand that a flashing light on a phone means there is a message waiting. They are going to need constant attention from you no matter what you install.
A few years ago I was working for a "windows shop" company. Everything ran on windows server. The CIO was complaining to me about the fact that the time was coming for a meeting with MS about licensing. I told him to put another computer in his office, install linux on it, put up a penguin desktop and screen saver. I said if (when!) ms asks about it to say "one of my guys likes linux so I thought I would install it and see what the fuss was about". I guaranteed him that he would get a massive discount on MS software from that point on.
Believe it or not he said no. He said something like "we can't do that! MS would never go for it". I am pretty sure he meant "MS will not let us install linux in our own network". He was so intimidated by MS it wasn't even funny. He acted like MS owned the company.
Anyway it's all good. This is a legitamate tool for stong arming MS. Remember every time somebody uses linux to beat up MS and makes MS take less money from them open source wins. That's a little bit less money MS has to buy politicians, bully other companies, spend on advertising telling the world we are all communists and anti-american. Every little bit helps.
Once again this point out a defect in the system. A losing party should not be allowed to drag out the proceedings hoping to force the opposition to spend money.
in a better justice system there would be severe punishments to discourage this kind of behavior.
So the judge orders Sco to produce something. SCO claims it did but it hasn't. After two years of slogging through the joke-that-is-the-us-court-system why hasn't the judge either a) slapped SCO silly for not obeying her orders or b) thrown the case out?
By now the only shareholders SCO has left are the ones who want the suit to go on. It's a lottery stock now. if they win (snicker) then the shareholders get paid, if they don't they lose all their money.
I think the fact that SCO is able to drag it's feet is result of the inefficiency of the system. SCO has so far not been asked to make a specific accusation yet for gods sake. They have changed their complaint mid stream too. How is that not inefficient?
SCO started out this case by making a copyright violation accusation. Nobody is the court system said "which copyright, when and how?". During the pre-trial phase (more then two years!!!!!) they dropped that complaint and went on to other complaints.
Why hasn't anybody asked SCO what bits of unix they own, what pieces SCO alleges Ibm stole. They still haven't said what IBM stole form them.
Finally. Novell claims they own UNIX, not SCO. SHouldn't that case be settled first? If SCO does not own unix then this whole case has been a wasted time.
"And I am saying that empirical evidence to that effect is impossible because there are too many variables and too much lag time before the cause and effect in the economy. The best evidence anyone can put forward is the reactions of the people in society to whom the science of "trends" is their livelihood."
So the statement "republicans are better for the eceonomy" is nonsensical. It's no different then intelligent design. It's untestable, it's unprovable. It's just what you think "OUGHT" to be true.
"And no, economics is not junk science. It's INNACURATE science, and sometimes subjective, but there are definite observations of economic trends and principles that can be made. Clearcut economic FACTS:"
There are economic facts. There are no tested, proven, scientifically rigorous explanations of how those facts come and go. Economics is junk science. Until economists subject themselves to scientific rigor and actually test their theories and back them up with real data it will continue to be a junk science.
"etc... Then theories extend from these, and you have science. Science that is wrong much of the time, just like any science."
science is a METHOD. Get that through your thick dumb scull. Economics isn't junk science because it's wrong, it's junk science because they don't subject their theories to expirementation, observation, and peer review. People say whatever they feel 'OUGHT' to happen and other people (like you) believe them without asking for the data to prove their assertions.
You yourself admit that you have no data to back up your position, furthermore you state that the systemis entire too complex to make your assertion or to prove or disprove your assertion and yet you continue to make it as if it was FACT.
Why don't you pay attention to what you are saying?
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1) If there was a need the commercial sector would have come up with those without govt aid.
2) Govt could have funded research and manufacturing under a different budget then the military. That way more inventions would have been put into civillian use. Furthermore more research would have been done in public leading to even more innovation.
3) Two words: Space Program.
We don't need to kill people to get GPSs you know.
The suit is frivolous because SCO is accusing IBM of stealing something they can't even prove they own.
Until the issue of ownership is settled this whole case is moot.
"It's certainly not perfect, but I'd be more nervous about a system that short-changed the opportunity for people to have their grievances aired in court, at the sole discretion of a judge."
Don't worry, despite all the so called pre-cautions it's virtually certain that we have executed innocent people. We have certainly executed mentally ill and retarded people.
No need. There was no need to spend a jillion dollars on star wars either. The military is the last bastion of spending money like it's going of style. The sheeple are easy to scare and become compliant when you present a boogieman for them. Ruskies, chinks, gooks, a-fucking-rabs, they are all out to get us donchaknow. They hate us because we are free and good and nice and rich. Please don't ask about that black budget or the military budget, or all the private contractors that we hire out to kill the bastards.
"Today, the rich (and middle-class) increasingly find they have no use for the poor whatsoever. "
Well they still need the poor to raise their kids, tend to their gardens, drive their cars etc. Likewise picking of fruit and vegetables isn't being done with machines yet either. Apparently though our poor are not poor enough, we have to import them from mexico and even ship our work to them in vietnam (cos those fucking mexicans charge too much god dammit!). But I see where you are coming from.
No need to worry though. The poor will come in handy when your kidney goes or joints give out.
there is no limit to how far humans will go. In the future as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer people will be having kids just to sell them for parts for the rich who have destroyed their livers through drinking and lungs though smoking.
There will also be nations who have nothing left to sell except their humans. They will be breeding slaves for that purpose.
The problem with capitalism is that eventually everything will be a product
It looks like you have more then just a processing facility in Germany. Looks like they are eating out of your hands over there.
If there are probably patents, and if MS has not given them blanket immunity then I would say there is a real threat of patent litigation there.
Obviously MS isn't going to sue everybody who infringes their IP. They didn't sue Apple even though they patented the clickwheel after the ipod came out.
So obviously they are going to pick their targets selectively. They will go after mono if mono presents a threat. Obviously mono can not threaten them until its compliant and from the pace of things it will never catch up to MS development.
Well would you?
The tax code is that way because the rich and powerful and the corporations have lobbied the congress to make it that way. This way they can game system. Sure once in a while it might bight them but win way more then they lose.
As for the average joe I will quote a taxi driver from the middle east I once saw on TV. "The govt lets us cheat a little on our taxes so we will look the other way when they cheat us a lot".
MS has hinted at various "intellectual property" around the .NET platform. They have flat out said that they intend to vigorously defend their intellectual property (both gates and ballmer have said it). When asked outright whether they intend to hold the mono project harmless from patent litigation they have refused to give them blanket immunity.
.NET implementation which will soon catch up with the oldest .NET implementation from MS. By the time vista comes out mono will be so far behind it will be a joke.
So no specific patents but a penumbra of eminations from the top brass MS hints at things that may happen in mono ever becomes a threat to MS.
Right now it's just a somewhat compliant
Would you use it in a production environment? Me neither.
They need to download a JRE anyway so what's the big deal.
Supposedly we have something even better then loser pays. Supposedly the we have given judges the power to throw a frivolous case out before it gets anywhere and cost people millions of dollars.
Alas most judges do not exercise that right. They are perfectly happy to let any old case get to court no matter how baseless or silly. Here is how it should have gone.
SCO: We accuse IBM of violating our copyright by copying UNIX into Linux.
IBM: We did no such thing.
Judge: SCO, what code do you allege IBM copied.
SCO: We don't know.
Judge: Can you prove you own UNIX
SCO: Not really Novell is claiming they own it but we claim we own it. It's in litigation right now.
Judge: Case dismissed.
The judge should have stopped the case before SCO got a chance to drop the copyright violation charge and switch to whatever they are alleging now.
You don't have to go with those, there are java bindings for everything!> QT, wxWindows, even curses!.
Pick the one you like!
SCO is going to appeal no matter what. Yes the appeal will be granted no matter what this judge says or does. It's almost always granted.
The entire system is a joke. The should have ruled from the bench five days into the case and let it go to appeals where it's going to end up anyway.
Dude jews really really love freedom of speech
So let me get this straight. Obviously your clients employ some of the dumbest people on the planet. So stupendously stupid that they can't even figure out how to use their fucking phones. And yet these people happily use windows wihtou ever calling you for support? They are never confused by windows? They never need retrainign when windows goes from 2k to XP to vista?
I call bullshit. I bet those retards working there are constantly getting confused by windows and it's cryptic error messages and mysterious slowdowns, lockups, locked files, re-arranging icons, ever changing taskbars etc.
Lets face it this company is hiring people who are too stupid to understand that a flashing light on a phone means there is a message waiting. They are going to need constant attention from you no matter what you install.
They are all going to get re-trained when the next version of windows and office come out anyway. Why not re-train them on linux instead.
True Story.
A few years ago I was working for a "windows shop" company. Everything ran on windows server. The CIO was complaining to me about the fact that the time was coming for a meeting with MS about licensing. I told him to put another computer in his office, install linux on it, put up a penguin desktop and screen saver. I said if (when!) ms asks about it to say "one of my guys likes linux so I thought I would install it and see what the fuss was about". I guaranteed him that he would get a massive discount on MS software from that point on.
Believe it or not he said no. He said something like "we can't do that! MS would never go for it". I am pretty sure he meant "MS will not let us install linux in our own network". He was so intimidated by MS it wasn't even funny. He acted like MS owned the company.
Anyway it's all good. This is a legitamate tool for stong arming MS. Remember every time somebody uses linux to beat up MS and makes MS take less money from them open source wins. That's a little bit less money MS has to buy politicians, bully other companies, spend on advertising telling the world we are all communists and anti-american. Every little bit helps.
Once again this point out a defect in the system. A losing party should not be allowed to drag out the proceedings hoping to force the opposition to spend money.
in a better justice system there would be severe punishments to discourage this kind of behavior.
So the judge orders Sco to produce something. SCO claims it did but it hasn't. After two years of slogging through the joke-that-is-the-us-court-system why hasn't the judge either a) slapped SCO silly for not obeying her orders or b) thrown the case out?
By now the only shareholders SCO has left are the ones who want the suit to go on. It's a lottery stock now. if they win (snicker) then the shareholders get paid, if they don't they lose all their money.
I think the fact that SCO is able to drag it's feet is result of the inefficiency of the system. SCO has so far not been asked to make a specific accusation yet for gods sake. They have changed their complaint mid stream too. How is that not inefficient?
SCO started out this case by making a copyright violation accusation. Nobody is the court system said "which copyright, when and how?". During the pre-trial phase (more then two years!!!!!) they dropped that complaint and went on to other complaints.
Why hasn't anybody asked SCO what bits of unix they own, what pieces SCO alleges Ibm stole. They still haven't said what IBM stole form them.
Finally. Novell claims they own UNIX, not SCO. SHouldn't that case be settled first? If SCO does not own unix then this whole case has been a wasted time.
"And I am saying that empirical evidence to that effect is impossible because there are too many variables and too much lag time before the cause and effect in the economy. The best evidence anyone can put forward is the reactions of the people in society to whom the science of "trends" is their livelihood."
So the statement "republicans are better for the eceonomy" is nonsensical. It's no different then intelligent design. It's untestable, it's unprovable. It's just what you think "OUGHT" to be true.
"And no, economics is not junk science. It's INNACURATE science, and sometimes subjective, but there are definite observations of economic trends and principles that can be made. Clearcut economic FACTS:"
There are economic facts. There are no tested, proven, scientifically rigorous explanations of how those facts come and go. Economics is junk science. Until economists subject themselves to scientific rigor and actually test their theories and back them up with real data it will continue to be a junk science.
"etc... Then theories extend from these, and you have science. Science that is wrong much of the time, just like any science."
science is a METHOD. Get that through your thick dumb scull. Economics isn't junk science because it's wrong, it's junk science because they don't subject their theories to expirementation, observation, and peer review. People say whatever they feel 'OUGHT' to happen and other people (like you) believe them without asking for the data to prove their assertions.
You yourself admit that you have no data to back up your position, furthermore you state that the systemis entire too complex to make your assertion or to prove or disprove your assertion and yet you continue to make it as if it was FACT.
Why don't you pay attention to what you are saying?