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Future of Maglev in the US Military

The Hippy of Death writes "An article at The Weekly Standard discusses the current maglev research being funded by the US military. From the article: 'But what if you could drastically reduce the amount of noise a ship makes directly at the source? ...Vibration & Sound Solutions Limited suggested placing mag-lev sensors at the source of the electromagnetic fields, such as motors. The idea was to actually levitate the machinery with an array of electromagnets while using a small amount of power.'"

268 comments

  1. Its a roundabout solution. by keilinw · · Score: 1

    This is all very interesting, but it seems like a roundabout solution. If the problem to begin with is isolating noise at the source and preventing noise / vibrations from getting transferred to the hull of a ship then the ultimate solution would be quiet engines.

    1. Re:Its a roundabout solution. by jcr · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Isolating them from the hull is the way to make them quiet.

      -jcr

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    2. Re:Its a roundabout solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ...the ultimate solution would be quiet engines.

      Holy crap! Just make quiet engines! That's brilliant!!! I can't believe no one ever thought of that!! Look at how many exclamation points I'm using!!!!

    3. Re:Its a roundabout solution. by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      the ultimate solution would be quiet engines.


      Do you think the navy hasn't already spent billions on just that? They've been doing this since sonar was invented, 70 years ago.

    4. Re:Its a roundabout solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > This is all very interesting, but it seems like a roundabout solution.

      What is the problem with roundabouts!? They are building them everywhere here in Italy!

  2. Reduce friction? by AK__64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm no mechanical engineer (rather obviously) but wouldn't this be useful in reducing friction and alleviating part of the need for complex bearings and lube mechanisms?

    1. Re:Reduce friction? by JanneM · · Score: 2, Informative

      Magnetic bearings already exist and are in use. They're not without problems, though (not quite as stable as mechanical ones, and not able to take high radial loads). Also, good mechanical berings are already very efficient; it's not like you have a lot of efficiency gains to make.

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    2. Re:Reduce friction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for more information:
      magnetic bearing space applications:
      http://www.amsat.org/amsat/sats/phase3d/wheels/

      magnetic bearings: passice and active:
      http://www.calnetix.com/typesofbearings.cfm

    3. Re:Reduce friction? by ArbitraryConstant · · Score: 1

      "Also, good mechanical berings are already very efficient; it's not like you have a lot of efficiency gains to make."

      Wouldn't they be handy for applications where an extremely long service life is necessary, as there's no physical contact?

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    4. Re:Reduce friction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they would be, and are.

    5. Re:Reduce friction? by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      As others have said, magnetic bearings do exist (passive and active)

      In addition, there are liquid and air (gas) bearings.

      They all have their limitations (I'm sure someone will tell us what they are)

      All that aside, that isn't what this technology is really going to be used for.

      This isn't directed at the parent or GP, but everyone: RTFA

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    6. Re:Reduce friction? by Rei · · Score: 1

      Yes. Not only that, they're great for applications where keeping a tight seal is important - for example, gas centrifuges. Often gas centrifuges will have the lower bearing be physically supported and the upper bearing magnetically supported.

      There have been some interesting spinoffs of magnetic bearings, too. For example, Inductrac maglev, which was based on research by a group of scientists who were previously making self-contained magnetically suspended flywheels for energy storage.

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  3. Balls and Lube? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll show you a need for complex ball bearings and lube mechanisms RIGHT HERE!

  4. So by garrett714 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What happens when the power dies and all of those sitting in seats fall on their asses?

    1. Re:So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. emergency wheels, 2 backup power from:
      * track's backup battery
      * track's backup generator
      * train's kinetic energy
      * train's battery

      Of course, as with anything in motion, shit can still happen under exceptional circumstances.

    2. Re:So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you read the article? This isn't about maglev trians.

    3. Re:So by vertinox · · Score: 1

      What happens when the power dies and all of those sitting in seats fall on their asses?

      If your are in a sub 1000 meters under water, and the power fails... I think falling on your ass is the least of your worries.

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  5. Noiseless, Vibrationless? by ackthpt · · Score: 1

    Sounds like Red October.

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    1. Re:Noiseless, Vibrationless? by Somegeek · · Score: 1

      This really isn't the same issue. The point with Red October was to get rid of the sounds that the propellers make as they spin though the water. A ship using this mag lev tecnology would still be making cavitation sounds from the propeller.

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    2. Re:Noiseless, Vibrationless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Conn, sonar! Crazy Ivan!

    3. Re:Noiseless, Vibrationless? by KylePflug · · Score: 1

      Likewise a ship with a silent propeller still makes vibration noise through the hull. Every footstep, drop tray, shout, etc.

      If you have ever toured a modern nuclear submarine (you should, it's fascinating) you'll see that the hull is insulated (rubber, I think) everywhere it contacts the deck, furniture, support struts, etc. Anything that a vibration could be transmitted from inside to the outside through has to be insulated. That's not going to make the ship silent, but it helps. If you could augment that with maglev insulation (obviously lots of failsafes are in order), it could go a long ways toward silencing submarines.

    4. Re:Noiseless, Vibrationless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like Red October.

      Even though the magneto-hydrodynamic drive (MHD) is quiet, it has a magnetic field that sticks out like a sore thumb.

      And the Navy has been using magnetic anamoly detectors to search for subs for decades.

  6. Doesn't make sense... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    Why would you want to design a near silent ship when future American wars are being fought against terrorists? The moment you launch a missile or fire a cannon at a target, the terrorists will know that death is flying their way. Money should be spent gathering better and accurate intelligence on terrorist hideouts.

    1. Re:Doesn't make sense... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Simple - we're still fighting the last war, which involved an actual nation.

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    2. Re:Doesn't make sense... by JanneM · · Score: 1

      Why would you want to design a near silent ship when future American wars are being fought against terrorists?

      So you can hear your iPod without cranking it up and ruining your battery life?

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    3. Re:Doesn't make sense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because terrorists aren't (1) actually a serious threat, and (2) can't be defended against with tanks in any event.

    4. Re:Doesn't make sense... by physicsphairy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ever hear of a place called China?

      There's a reason they've been working on extending the range of their nukes, and it's not so they can hit farther into Canada. . . .

    5. Re:Doesn't make sense... by Jerf · · Score: 1

      Fortunately, our military priorities are not set by people who think statements like " All future wars will be fought against terrorists" are sensible.

    6. Re:Doesn't make sense... by stupidfoo · · Score: 1

      It's a fact: The Chinese hate Winnipeg.

    7. Re:Doesn't make sense... by daliman · · Score: 1

      Oh, I don't know. The war on terror is unwinnable by definition, so you'll be fighting at least one war against terrorists forever...

    8. Re:Doesn't make sense... by killjoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No need. There was no need to spend a jillion dollars on star wars either. The military is the last bastion of spending money like it's going of style. The sheeple are easy to scare and become compliant when you present a boogieman for them. Ruskies, chinks, gooks, a-fucking-rabs, they are all out to get us donchaknow. They hate us because we are free and good and nice and rich. Please don't ask about that black budget or the military budget, or all the private contractors that we hire out to kill the bastards.

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    9. Re:Doesn't make sense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sooner or later the US will find the "terrorist gene" and start screening people at birth for a predilection toward terrorist activities. Why fight them with missiles when you can get them with a syringe?

    10. Re:Doesn't make sense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you want to design a near silent ship when future American wars are being fought against terrorists?

      Simple: intimidation and assurance that no regular military will challenge your superior technology, to ensure that only terrorists and the most desperate forces will challenge you. Very Cold War-esque - the Big Stick that is so big no sane person would even need to see it to be deterred.

    11. Re:Doesn't make sense... by guet · · Score: 1

      Why would you want to design a near silent ship when future American wars are being fought against Americans?

    12. Re:Doesn't make sense... by mallardtheduck · · Score: 1

      working on extending the range of their nukes

      Are you trying to say they can't already hit the US?
      At the end of WW2 the Germans were developing missiles that could hit the US from GERMANY. China is much closer and rocket technology has greatly improved since.

      German A10 rocket: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggregate_series#A10

    13. Re:Doesn't make sense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very well thought out post... but you forgot to mention terrorists. Terrorists. TERRORISTS!!! Coming for our women and our precious bodily fluids! TERRORISTS! MUTANT RADIOACTIVE TERRORISTS!

    14. Re:Doesn't make sense... by physicsphairy · · Score: 1

      Even North Korea can (theoretically) reach the United States... i.e, they can reach Hawaii. Washington D.C. is quite a bit farther away. The A10 you link to was actually the precursor to the modern ICBM. But keep in mind that the A10 itself was never built. Even sixty years later, it takes a lot of money and development time to produce a functional model of something like that, and there are a lot of extra-logistics involved in modern nuclear warfare. At the moment, China can reach almost all of the United States. Soon they will be able to reach all of it. A decade or so ago, they could reach up to about the Mississipi.

    15. Re:Doesn't make sense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      How the hell is China closer to the US than Germany!?

      Distance from Shanghai to LA: 6438 miles.
      Distance from Berlin to NYC: 3965 miles.
      Source

    16. Re:Doesn't make sense... by thedletterman · · Score: 1

      Just make sure you're not using data mining on publicly available information, or you become the Gestapo.

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    17. Re:Doesn't make sense... by sledd_1 · · Score: 1

      ...but it pays off. Money spent on military aerospace 'subsidy' projects pays dividends in new technology for a wide range of applications.

      Space-age materials in your cars, space blankets, sensor technology, GPS - we enjoy all of these things directly or indirectly because of military spending. And don't forget that glorious confection that is freeze-dried ice cream.

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    18. Re:Doesn't make sense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realize the forum you're whining in was developed using that inflated budget, right? Everything you say is just amusing irony.

    19. Re:Doesn't make sense... by jcnnghm · · Score: 1

      Have you ever considered that the whole star wars thing may have been a well constructed bluff. You publicly announce that you're going to develop a system to shoot down all incoming projectiles from space at significant cost. Russians attempt to counter, engineering does cost analysis. Informs leadership system will cost $x (anything is possible, it's just a matter of money). Leadership realises they don't have $x. Leadership is drowning in self-doubt. Victory is no longer on the table. Bluffing the soviets into stepping down was probably worth the money.

      And there is nothing to say that the star wars program, or another complimentary program doesn't exist today. Military spending, planning, and research is kind of like a giant game of poker. You don't want to be the asshole that is constantly showing his hand, that may lead to somebody else developing the stealth technology you've had sitting in a hanger for the last 15 years, or the technology to shoot it down.

      And in case you missed it, there have been a hell of a lot of wars fought throughout history, and a hell of a lot of arab nations aren't too found of the United States. You may not like it, but we really were attacked by Japan, we really did go to war against Germany, and the Soviet Union was a real credible threat. Everybody isn't gonna just start getting along, it doesn't make a bit of sense not to protect ourselves.

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    20. Re:Doesn't make sense... by aminorex · · Score: 0, Troll

      No, the U.S. is not fighting any war against terrorists. It invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, which are countries, and thus waged war on those countries, and continues to occupy them. People who fight against that are called patriots, not terrorists. Arguably, since the U.S. has global hegemony for the moment, any combat operations conducted by the U.S. are actually suppressions of popular insurrections against their empire.

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    21. Re:Doesn't make sense... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      Have you ever considered that the whole star wars thing may have been a well constructed bluff.

      It's not. The domination of space has been on the Project for a New American Centuries list of objectives for a long time. They wish to control space for the strategic and ecconomic betterment of the USA. It's on their website and in many of their publications. For a group which wishes to take over the world, they are surprisingly open. Oh, in case you don't know who they are, the PNAC is essentially the upper echelons of the current US administration; Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz. Prior to being elected, the group were just another Washington think-tank. Now they run the show.

      Everybody isn't gonna just start getting along, it doesn't make a bit of sense not to protect ourselves.

      Yes and no. Eisnehower warned against the dangers of increasing military spending and the wag-the-dog syndrome it brings. Star Wars is not a credible defence program. Who is it defending from? Is China going to nuke it's biggest trading partner then be nuked back into the stone age? Hardly. Star Wars is an offensive program with the intention of being able to destroy any space assets where the outcome is profitable to the United States.

      They also seek to control the internet in the exact same way. The following is from their 2000 report. That's right, 19 months prior to the event that supposedly "changed everything". If you ask me, s/changed/enabled/g on that quote. Anyway, here are their stated goals, emphasis added by me for the "stuff that matters":

      • Reposition permanently based forces to Southern Europe, Southeast Asia and the Middle East
      • Modernize U.S. forces, including enhancing our fighter aircraft, submarine and surface fleet capabilities
      • Develop and deploy a global missile defense system, and develop a strategic dominance of space
      • Control the "International Commons" of cyberspace
      • Increase defense spending to a minimum of 3.8 percent of gross domestic product, up from the 3 percent currently spent.

      Apparently their demand for one hundred billion dollars is in the post...

    22. Re:Doesn't make sense... by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Then think "Skynet"

    23. Re:Doesn't make sense... by TroyM · · Score: 1

      If China can launch a man into space, then they can already hit the US.

    24. Re:Doesn't make sense... by kadathseeker · · Score: 1

      That's not correct.

      A patriot is anyone who fights for their nation or political ideas. This can be to preserve it the existing state or make a new, better one. Anyone can be a patriot. The Nazis were patriots. The American revolutionaries who overthrew their government are somehow patriots (not really, but everyone calls them that). It shouldn't have the positive connotation it has, being a patriot doesn't itself make you a good or bad person.

      A guerrilla soldier whose main method is psychological warfare against the opposing army, rather than actual destruction of said army like in conventional warfare. Our special forces often use guerrilla tactics.

      A terrorist is a guerrilla soldier who attacks civilians deliberately. Or they are a civilian participating in a war, deliberatley attacking civilians.

      Essentially, terrorists are either soldiers or civilan criminals.

      If they are soldiers, then they are subject to treatment required by the Geneva convention if captured. And they must abide by international laws regulating warfare, such as not targeting civilians. If they don't, they are war criminals.

      If they aren't soldiers, and are involved in a war, they are under no legal protection and are fair game for anything. They don't get special treatment beyond universal human rights.

      And no, if the majority if Iraqis were opposed to the occupation (remember, the US occupied Germany and Japan after WWII for almost a decade before establishing a government, this is slow compared to Iraq, and why does this have a negative connotation? France was Allied occupied during WWII and no one complained except the Axis powers) then the 78.59% of them wouldn't have voted to ratify their constitution. Yeah, they sound real unhappy. Saddam was so much more caring. He should be let go, after all, he is the legitamate ruler of Iraq and he never, ever, rigged elections by torturing the families of anyone who didn't vote for him to death. Truly, he is no worse than any Western leader. In fact, the Catholic church is considering him for sainthood.

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    25. Re:Doesn't make sense... by killjoe · · Score: 1

      1) If there was a need the commercial sector would have come up with those without govt aid.
      2) Govt could have funded research and manufacturing under a different budget then the military. That way more inventions would have been put into civillian use. Furthermore more research would have been done in public leading to even more innovation.
      3) Two words: Space Program.

      We don't need to kill people to get GPSs you know.

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    26. Re:Doesn't make sense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haven't you been told yet? Logical thinking and rational thought are not allowed in this forum. Please be advised to attain a state of emotional hysteria before posting. Irrational anger towards the subject at hand is also welcome.

    27. Re:Doesn't make sense... by aminorex · · Score: 1

      Actually, an overwhelming majority of the Iraqis are opposed to the U.S. occupation. But they didn't get to vote on *that*. I rather do believe, from talking to people in Iraq, that a majority would vote for Sadaam Hussein right now, if there were a democracy there, instead of a puppet client state under foreign military occupation.

      Several members of the German high command were hung by the neck until dead for the crime of waging a war of aggression. They claimed they did it to defend the German victims of tyrannical oppression in Poland, but everyone knew it was just empire-building.

      Patriotism is a willingness to sacrifice in order to preserve and defend your people group and way of life, and it is a virtue as such.

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    28. Re:Doesn't make sense... by kadathseeker · · Score: 1

      Several members of the German high command were hung by the neck until dead for the crime of waging a war of aggression. They claimed they did it to defend the German victims of tyrannical oppression in Poland, but everyone knew it was just empire-building.

      Patriotism is a willingness to sacrifice in order to preserve and defend your people group and way of life, and it is a virtue as such.


      The Germans thought themselves patriots. They thought they were gaining the Fatherland more land for the Aryan race to expand in to. It's not a virtue.

      Actually, an overwhelming majority of the Iraqis are opposed to the U.S. occupation...I rather do believe, from talking to people in Iraq, that a majority would vote for Sadaam Hussein right now

      I have no idea what information you are basing that off. That sounds like you pulled it out of your ass. How many people ded you talk to? Where did they live? How is that even close to a properly scaled population representative?

      By no stretch of even the most delusional mind is Saddam even comprable to the Americans. You can criticize them of many things, but it would be more constructive for everyone if they had more basis in reality than partisan longings, no matter how well intentioned. What are you basing this opinion off of?

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    29. Re:Doesn't make sense... by westyx · · Score: 1

      It's not so much reaching somewhere, it's being able to actually hit what you're aiming for. Granted, with nukes this is less of an issue, but firing off a nuke and watching it vapourise some wilderness in Utah isn't going to help your cause anytime soon.

  7. Public benefits of military research. by keilinw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As an engineer and scientist I oftentimes find myself excited about whatever technologies the military is funding. No, I'm not a proponent of destructive technologies -- even though military advancements oftentimes contribute to destruction (a topic for another conversation). But, what really excites me is the benefit to humanity that stems from such research.

    While applying magnetic levitation technologies to engines is a rather roundabout solution, the research will improve humanities knowledge of such technologies in general, potentially expediting the timeframe in which you and I can reap the benefits. Who knows what the future will be? Perhaps we will see MagLev public transportation soon? Or perhaps air travel will be much quieter (now that would be enjoyable)... nevertheless research into the field is necessary.

    One interesting note is that MagLev technologies are NOT that difficult to implement. It's really just a control system of an electromagnetic field. OK, so it is difficult, but its nothing new. What advancements we really NEED have to do with:

    1.) Efficiency. Superconductivity will reduce the overall power / energy demands of the system.
    2.) Reliability. What happens when the power goes out? Does the train / engine / whatever just fall to the ground? This is a BIG consideration.
    3.) Safety. Does exposure to such large EM fields cause cancer?
    4.) etc.

    Despite all of the these concerns I am REALLY excited that this type of research is getting funding... at the very least it is a very practical application!

    Well, thats enough for now.

    Matthew Wong
    http://www.themindofmatthew.com

    1. Re:Public benefits of military research. by hoodofblack · · Score: 1

      Why can't we just use an array of permanent magnets to generate the field that is more or less always on. That way the seat or motor is always positioned right where want it - and never have to worry about alignment. Especially, in the case of the helicopter seats, I am sure pilots would love to have the best ride possible and a seat that transfers no vibration from the aircraft to the seat would have to be awesome. Additionally, seats such as this would be awesome in autos, trucks, and basically anything that moves. I suppose at that point an electromagnet would be much more practical but if power is lost then a permanent magnet would be a much better solution.

    2. Re:Public benefits of military research. by njh · · Score: 1

      Because of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earnshaw's_theorem.

      You can do it with diamagnets (but they aren't very strong) or superconductors (but they need cooling, currently).

    3. Re:Public benefits of military research. by keilinw · · Score: 1

      Hmm.. I never thought about that before.... I wander if it is really expensive or difficult to produce permanent magnets that are strong enough to levitate thousands of pounds of weight. I'm no expert but I believe that electromagnets have a greater potential for magnetic field strength.

      Part of the MagLev design is that the levitating system is also the propulsion system. By switching the magnets on and off in rapid succession it is possible to control both the degree of levitation as well as travel in the lateral plane.

      LOL, yeah... I'm also a pilot and I think it would be great to have a seat that does not shake.... heck build a safety system around that too. But, what I'd really like is for a quite engine... that would be really awesome.

      Matt Wong http://www.themindofmatthew

    4. Re:Public benefits of military research. by njh · · Score: 1

      Actually, using http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halbach_array s for train suspension (or any linear or rotary bearing) means that the levitation force is provided by the motion, without any electromagnets or feedback loops. They are more lossy than other systems though. It is fairly easy to shield the passengers from the strong magnetic fields using suitable topologies.

    5. Re:Public benefits of military research. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You probably never heard of Halbachs arrays

    6. Re:Public benefits of military research. by Omnifarious · · Score: 1

      Actually, I suspect large scale mag-lev for public or private transportation will never really be that workable.

      But, using mag-lev type technologies for shock absorption is really interesting and novel. It has a lot more potential because it doesn't require some huge infrastructure be built. The systems can be installed one vehicle at a time.

      Now, if the Navy starts trying to use fine-grain control over EM fields to attempt to shield steel hulls from magnetic detection, I'm going to be in awe. That doesn't sound easy at all, and is a very novel idea.

    7. Re:Public benefits of military research. by njh · · Score: 1

      Of course I have, I've used them too. Halbach arrays require motion (when moving they generate an alternating magnetic field which is repelled due to eddy currents in a nearby conductor). In original poster asked about a levitating pilot seat - Halbach arrays could do this if the pilot spun on their chair I guess.

      You probably never heard of Halbachs arrays before this slashdot article - particularly as you don't appear to understand them ;)

    8. Re:Public benefits of military research. by hoodofblack · · Score: 1

      No, I had not. Strange that I explain something that I have never heard of...maybe I should read wikipeida more :-)

    9. Re:Public benefits of military research. by mallardtheduck · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Now, if the Navy starts trying to use fine-grain control over EM fields to attempt to shield steel hulls from magnetic detection, I'm going to be in awe.

      I know it's not fine-grained, but shielding steel hulls from magnetic detection is old news. The British used degaussing techniques to counter German magnetic mines in WW2.

      Modern warships usually carry a complex arrangement of degaussing coils to reduce as much as possible their magnetic profile.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degaussing

    10. Re:Public benefits of military research. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3.) Safety. Does exposure to such large EM fields cause cancer?

      We don't see MRI and tokemak operators sitting behind giant magnetic shields OR covered in strange growths

      4.) etc.

      Do we really care if male dogs think about anything other than killing cats, food, and dog pussy?

    11. Re:Public benefits of military research. by Omnifarious · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Thanks!

    12. Re:Public benefits of military research. by jafac · · Score: 1

      . . . yeah, even better when terrorists figure out how to shield a handgun from magnetic detection in airport security. Can't wait for that to happen.

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    13. Re:Public benefits of military research. by Omnifarious · · Score: 1

      I think they'll start swallowing bombs first. Can't wait to see what measures the TSA adopts to try to prevent that.

    14. Re:Public benefits of military research. by mTor · · Score: 1

      Maybe they could go as far as trying to create the real "Philadelphia Experiment".

    15. Re:Public benefits of military research. by Omnifarious · · Score: 1

      *laugh*

  8. Its a roundabout solution-A Neverending Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the game, it's a constant battle. Quieter engines on one side, and better sensors on the other.

  9. Submitter should RTFA by shadow_slicer · · Score: 3, Informative

    The submitter didn't even get to the second page.
    This technology was originally designed to dampen mechanical vibration in ships like the submitter said, but the Navy wasn't interested (probably because while that would be useful in a cold war, it's not too helpful in the war on terror).

    What they're doing now, is using to cushion seats. The article claims some of the speedier boats they use to put marines ashore can pull 8Gs hopping over waves. So they use this technology along with wave height sensors and a fast processor to reduce it to 2-3Gs. Although this sounds new, it's basically the same technique as those active noise cancellation headphones only for lower frequencies and higher amplitudes.

    Then the company is trying to expand by putting this into other vehicles like humvees and helicopters. (why in a helicopter?)

    1. Re:Submitter should RTFA by funkcicle · · Score: 1, Funny

      "Then the company is trying to expand by putting this into other vehicles like humvees and helicopters. (why in a helicopter?)"

      American military choppers don't exactly have a reputation for staying in the air...

    2. Re:Submitter should RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      choppers PERIOD don't exactly have a reputation for staying in the air.

      Choppers are inherently unstable.

    3. Re:Submitter should RTFA by Harald74 · · Score: 1

      Then the company is trying to expand by putting this into other vehicles like humvees and helicopters. (why in a helicopter?)


      I would guess crash safety: A crashing helicopter tends to put down quite hard on the ground. Also, there are usually no provisions for ejection seats in helos.
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      A)bort, R)etry or S)elf-destruct?
    4. Re:Submitter should RTFA by Clovert+Agent · · Score: 1

      Then the company is trying to expand by putting this into other vehicles like humvees and helicopters. (why in a helicopter?)

      Did /you/ RTFA? :) This is the helicopter bit from the article:

      "Instead of having these bench seats, we'd have a light seat but have a battery pack like from a motorcycle, a squib, and an acceleration sensor. What would happen would be as the helicopter were falling out of the sky, and you sensed this high rate of acceleration, the squib would fire and . . . the seat would pre-position, be levitated, so that when you crashed, instead of having the instantaneous G-loading, the seat would have a more linear G-loading, to reduce the G's on the passengers or pilot."

    5. Re:Submitter should RTFA by smithmc · · Score: 1

        American military choppers don't exactly have a reputation for staying in the air...

      This is not unique to American helicopters, especially attack helicopters. Witness the beating the Mi-24 "Hind" took during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Helicopters are simply too slow, and not agile enough, to survive well under combat conditions. If you wanna attack air targets, send an F-15. If you wanna kill tanks, send a Warthog. Let the helicopters do the airlifting and troop extractions and other things that they do well.

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    6. Re:Submitter should RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't they just give the marine's beanbags?

    7. Re:Submitter should RTFA by davidsyes · · Score: 1

      Why in a helicopter?

      Why not? I periodically read air forces type magazines and check out the crashes section. I saw a pic of a Russian craft that crashed trying to making an emergency landing. It was in about 7 pieces, each section about only 4 or 5 feet apart. EVERYone aboard died. Why? Like it was sudden trauma to their spinal columns upon impact with the ground. Most likely, the trees it impacted with played a major role in deceleration and sudden breakup. I was mildly surprised that the fuselage was in a fairly straight line. It only looked like the plane was chopped like the ones in the Arizona/nearby deserts as part a disarmament/de-bomber treaty...

      But, the typical seats in aircraft have NO meaningful crash survival value, to me at least. The best we're offered it lean forward, rest your head down, and (unspoken) hope the implied compressibility of the luggage compartment saves your ass.

      Typically, in the Vietnam days, when a UH-1D or almost any helo crashed, the fuel tanks burst open, the seats crashed thru the broken flight deck, and the pax usually died. If not from burning and debris, then certainly from destroyed vertebrae. Honeycombing, self-sealing tanks (to protect from small caliber ground fire, but not necessarily from A-A fire), and "autogyration" (disengaging the engine clutch and letting freefall windmill the blades (if they were intact) slow the helo enough to soften the crash.

      I've been in elevators a LOT, and every time, I ponder the braking system. I wonder what would happen if from 20 floors I dropped uncontrollably. (Thanks to that damned Damien Omen II, especially, when Darian Harewood gets cut in two by the implausible cable...) I sometimes hoped that if I were in freefall, I could at the LAST second (if I could calculate that final few seconds) JUMP into the air, negating the acceleration and hoping the top of the elevator didn't break my neck when the bottom hit the shaft bottom.

      Now, if gyros and retros are on helicopter and aircraft seats and in certain types of skyrise elevators, then this could make (at least aircraft) freefalls less fatal.

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    8. Re:Submitter should RTFA by Koatdus · · Score: 1
      I sometimes hoped that if I were in freefall, I could at the LAST second (if I could calculate that final few seconds) JUMP into the air, negating the acceleration and hoping the top of the elevator didn't break my neck when the bottom hit the shaft bottom.


      Mythbusters tried this. It didn't work. The elevator is falling too fast. You can't get anywhere near the speed you need from human legs. I don't remember the exact numbers but it was something like elevator=40mph vs. legs=3.5mph. Not even close.
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  10. Shocked! by jmorris42 · · Score: 1

    I'm shocked that slashdot is linking to The Weekly Standard, the official journal of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. How are they supposed to give us our secret orders and talking points now that the socialist hordes of Slashdot have discovered them?

    But seriously, ya guys should be reading them whether you agree or disagree with the policies they advocate because they are influencial in Republican politics. Much like I follow the NYT editorial page and the network tv sunday morning yak-yak shows, because they (and now daily kos) drive the Democrats' talking points and policy positions.

    Now ontopic. Wow, they sound like they plan to actually deploy this stuff. Talk about kicking the tech advantage up a notch.

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    1. Re:Shocked! by mboverload · · Score: 1

      This is a technical article. What does their choice of bullshiting have to do with it?

    2. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, at the next meeting of whatever political group you're involved in, try a little experiment for me... don't drink the kool-aid? Or Flavor-aid, as the case may be...

    3. Re:Shocked! by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Who gives a shit about partisan politics? How about actually studying facts, and becoming aware of the world around you, rather than the spin? And since when was slashdot a socialist site?

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    4. Re:Shocked! by Majik+Sheff · · Score: 1

      *LOL* Thanks, I needed a bit of humor in my day... Oh, you were serious? Now who's drinking the Kool-aid?

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    5. Re:Shocked! by dangitman · · Score: 1

      What Kool-Aid are you referring to?

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    6. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Much like I follow the NYT editorial page and the network tv sunday morning yak-yak shows, because they (and now daily kos) drive the Democrats' talking points and policy positions.


      Conservative voices outnumber liberal on Sunday television. Full report: http://mediamatters.org/static/pdf/MMFA_Sunday_Sho w_Report.pdf
  11. How about magnetic bearings? by ZombieEngineer · · Score: 2, Informative

    The problem of using Maglev on the motors is that the torque that is generated. It isn't as simple as lifting the weight of several tonnes but also apply the rotational torque as well (normally this is less that the wieght of the motor for conventional drives but high power units with hydrogen gas cooling [best thermal conductivity] could increase this force to multiples of the static wieght).

    1. Re:How about magnetic bearings? by ZombieEngineer · · Score: 1

      Forgot to add the bit about magnetic bearings... With the super magnets that are currently available it is possible to support the rotor wieght by magnetic repulsion. This has been on solar racers such that there is no physical contact (solid on solid) where a traditional bearing is used. This greatly reduces the friction and presumably some of the noise associated with rotating machinery.

    2. Re:How about magnetic bearings? by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      The article didn't really go into the use for engines too much... went on and on about seats, bench seats light seats, etc. for dampening G-forces during operational impact, etc.

      But in regard to engine noise being transferred to the vehicle... I can see maglev being used on just the mounts themselves with a reinforced harness of some sort that improves the distribution of torque and up/down external vibration. So a series of mounts placed in a spherical grid or maybe a semi-sphere (think cutting off the top and bottom to leave a spherical cylinder) with maglev mounting slots poisitioned at angles to the engine itself " \ top /" and "/ bottom \" so that gravity and internal torque are being deflected away instead of having the mounts take the full force in the perpendicular.... sorry it's difficult to describe without a diagram...

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  12. Public benefits of military research-Peace Pipe. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "As an engineer and scientist I oftentimes find myself excited about whatever technologies the military is funding. No, I'm not a proponent of destructive technologies -- even though military advancements oftentimes contribute to destruction (a topic for another conversation). But, what really excites me is the benefit to humanity that stems from such research. "

    So which advances mankind further and faster? The path of destruction, or the path of construction?

  13. The 'Gud Smurt' Solution: by RoffleTheWaffle · · Score: 1

    I propose that they build a chair out of Bismuth. Diamagnetism will solve all of our problems.

    (I'm kidding, obviously.)

  14. I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cohen, in a phone interview, explained how the Navy's interest in MagLev originated with the need for silencing machinery aboard ships. "Throughout history," he said, "we had used rubber mounts" to reduce noise and vibration. "What all navies have traditionally done is put heavy, large cables all around the perimeter of the ship. We then pass electric currents through them to try and nullify the electromagnetic feature of the steel hulls."

    The first part, the problem, is about noise and vibration. The second part, the solution, is about using electric currents to nullify electromagnetics... Does this make sense to anyone else?

    1. Re:I don't get it by hcob$ · · Score: 1

      Yes, because like many other fields, electromagnetic can be uniquely identifying and/or carry useful information. Three things stick out here.

      1.) You can easily detect a ship with electro-magnetic sensors if that field is not reduced significantly.

      2.) That EM field with a ship is dependent on where, and when the ship was built (think localized EM fields on the earth)

      3.) Any electronic device (think keyboards) give off EM radiation. Each key of a keyboard has a unique signature. If you don't nullify that field, a sub could just tag along in your wake reading every electronic communication sent on/to the ship

      With the right tools, I'm sure that you can identify which shipyard (and at what time) a non-degaused ship was constructed. That, with the right databases could lead you to know what ship you just ran upon. After that, you can snoop the EM field for... say... keypresses on keyboards to steal passwords, security codes, and clear text that is being fed into a decoder.... Fun stuff... for the enemy.

      So isolate noise + nullify EM fields = longer life in a war.

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    2. Re:I don't get it by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 1

      So isolate noise + nullify EM fields = longer life in a war

      Also the original use was not to trip mines in world war two, as far as I recall...

    3. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahaha exactly what I thought you'd say.

      YER MINER!

  15. Maglev trains save energy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's get the Maglev show out of the barn and on the road. Maglev and other "[e]lectromagnetic suspension for trains is an important technology because it allows very high-speed trains. High-speed trains make railroad travel a very competitive alternate to road and air travel." From, "Solutions for the Energy Crises in this Union - Part 1: Alternate Energy and Conservation". This article also discusses the importance of making all trains electric-powered and generating the electricity for the trains from water, wind, and solar power.

  16. Re:Fuck the DMCA! by DigitlDud · · Score: 1

    Actually it's 77 planets.

  17. Rig for silent running. by GomezAdams · · Score: 2, Interesting
    As a long ago submarine sonarman I think this has some potential but the noise we tracked was caused by cavitation of the screws and at least a minor difference in one screw blade. I don't see how this technology would stop that. Cavitation noise reduction requires extremely expensive processes to make the prop very balanced and smooth. But as with anything else under stress the physical shape would be altered and making tracking and turn counting easier. I served on a sub outfitted as a killer sub. A sub that tracked other submarines and we had all the best technology available in the 50s. to reduce noise and our job was to keep the noise level down at all times. It will be worth watching for the civilian application of this.

    In the ocean there are two types of vessels. Submarines and targets.

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    1. Re:Rig for silent running. by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1
      the noise we tracked was caused by cavitation of the screws and at least a minor difference in one screw blade.

      For the collins class submarine project here in Australia the navy specified a quietness standard for the screws which everybody agreed was unachievable. If they had not built slack into the contract I doubt anybody would have agreed to tender. As it is they are having to go back to the drawing board on the screws because they are too noisy. Guys like you could still pick them up.

      Apart from using really big screws I don't see what you can do about cavitation. Making the screw too big will increase the mechanical overhead and the risk of introducing new sources of noise.

  18. civilian applications by Grumpy+Wombat · · Score: 1

    What is most interesting about this is the flow on effect this technology will have in civilian applications. The military get to do the hard yards, reap the first fruits and eventually the tech will become more price realistic and available for civilian use- safer airliners, trains, cars and so on. Maglev tech has been promised for years, now it looks like it will get some time in the sun.

    1. Re:civilian applications by mjbkinx · · Score: 1
      What is most interesting about this is the flow on effect this technology will have in civilian applications. The military get to do the hard yards, reap the first fruits and eventually the tech will become more price realistic and available for civilian use- safer airliners, trains, cars and so on. Maglev tech has been promised for years, now it looks like it will get some time in the sun.

      There already is a commercial Maglev line, from Shanghai to the airport. A few days ago they announced they want to extend it to Hangzhou, in Germany a connection from the Munich airport to the city is planned.
      You can watch a video of the Transrapid. There are other systems available, too, like the JR-Maglev.

      If you want something futuristic, the Swiss plan to begin building a test track for a Vector Train, a Maglev in a partial vacuum tunnel, in 2020.

  19. Re:Awesome! by susano_otter · · Score: 1

    I have to say, this has got to be the feeblest fucking totalitarian dictatorship in the history of the world.

    I mean, half the country openly dissents from the ruling party.

    You can't turn around without bumping into somebody voicing their opposition to the regime.

    It's getting to be so that a guy has to re-read The Gulag Archipelago, just to get a feel for the real thing anymore.

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  20. Re:You are a coward by LilGuy · · Score: 1

    This is most definately not the place to try to wake people up. :) You'll just end up modded down to -1 and about 1% of the people who visit will see what you've written, and chances are 50% of those will hate you.

    Good luck in the future.

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  21. Re:Awesome! by Punboy · · Score: 1

    Actually, you're thinking of Nazism. Not communism. Communism is not a political system, its economic.

    Although a communistic economy often leads to such corruption in the society+government because nobody really wants equality.

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  22. Re:I'm going to say to you what other /.rs told me by Zantetsuken · · Score: 1
    I'm going to say to you what other /.ers told me when I tried voicing my opinions on Slashdot

    Whether I people have the same opinions or not that you do, they don't care - Slashdot is a refuge from the rest of the politically biased world, where people can just read about tech or whatever else Slashdot has (granted it does have a politics section, but thats where these kinds of things go)...

  23. Re:Awesome! by jcr · · Score: 1

    Communism is not a political system, its economic.

    I'm sure that will come as a great comfort to the 100 million or so who have been killed by communist regimes.

    -jcr

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  24. Earnshaw's Theorem doesn't apply to article by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

    It's for static field configurations, in contrast to the active controls this company seems to be using.

    1. Re:Earnshaw's Theorem doesn't apply to article by njh · · Score: 1

      The original poster wrote: Why can't we just use an array of permanent magnets to generate the field that is more or less always on.

      How would you interpret that?

  25. Re:You are a coward by stupidfoo · · Score: 1

    No, he'll get modded down because that's at best offtopic, but in reality is just a troll. The idea that slashdot has a conservative and/or pro-US slant is ridiculous.

  26. Re:You are a coward by Shihar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How about hand to hand combat .. tried it lately.. or just calling your self brave by killing people who have nothing to do with anything with missile (who is the terrorist).

    Launching a cruise missile instead of challenging people to hand to hand combat isn't brave. It is smart.

    As far as the size of the US military goes, the US military is what stood between the USSR and the rest of the world for half a centaury. The sacrifices that the American people made to keep the USSR where it was and hold the line against such a juggernaut seems to have been quickly forgotten. The US put itself directly in the way of the USSR. As the Cuban missile crises showed, the US was more then willing to risk complete annihilation in a fight to keep the USSR at bay.

    Now, I am not claiming that US isn't a big ugly leviathan that makes nations fall apart when it sneezes wrong. I am not arguing that in its pursuit to keep the USSR at bay that innocent people were not hurt, nor that the US has not committed its share of evils in the name of a greater good. Anyone who tries to paint the actions of the largest economy and military in the world in terms of pure right and wrong is deluding themselves. The US is and always has been run by humans, flawed creatures as they are. I have no doubt that if it could all be done over again there are things that we would never do again because the turned out to cause so much human suffering.

    My point is that despite its mistakes, the US was there for the rest of the world with its big ugly and unwieldy military. That big ugly military that slaughtered innocent people in Vietnam also bought millions of people time to escape Vietnam (many of them to the US) before it descended into the hell hole that it became. The US military was there to repulse North Korea from South Korea and held the line even after a million Chinese came pouring over the border. South Korea is happy little fairytale land that it is today and not the seventh level of hell that North Korea is because the US military was there. The threat of the US military is what kept the USSR from making West Germany and France look like East Germany and Poland.

    My point? Yeah yeah, the US military is big and deadly. Where ever it goes and whatever it does people die. That said, it stood as a shield for half a centaury against far more malevolent forces and saved the lives of countless hundreds of millions. Maybe in this new centaury it has worn out its usefulness. Maybe all of the challengers have been beaten and the US can set down the shield and sword and get on with more productive things.

    Then again, I bet at the very least the people of Taiwan sleep a little bit better at night knowing that US military leviathan is still lumbering around.

  27. My attic by zardo · · Score: 1
    This solution covers every possible source of vibrations, addressing the source directly would be much more difficult, and would probably require some adaptive system, for example, to balance the armature over the course of many years.

    I do the same thing with a ventilation fan in my attic. When I mounted it directly to the truss, I could hear a vibration in the walls of my house, so I unbolted it and let it hang from some plastic fastener. Works like a charm to eliminate the noise. By your standards, I aught to have bought a more expensive fan with less vibration, which probably wouldn't have been as quiet.

  28. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, they were killed by corrupt, totalitarian regimes. Have the 30,000 or so Iraqis killed in the latest war been killed by capitalism? The people in Guantanamo, have they been kidnapped and tortured by capitalism? (This isn't a critique of these things, it's just the best example of a capitalist country doing bad things I can think of.) They were not, because capitalism's an economic theory and has fuck all to do with politics. Same with communism.

  29. MagLev aka. "GravaBenda" by hb79 · · Score: 1

    Anybody read Michal Marshall Smith's Only Forward?

    Here you have both industrial strength and living room versions of devices to bend gravity, called GravaBendars (TM). Those for the home runs on batteries.

    From the book: "Now, you haven't seen a messed up room, until you've been in one where the GravaBenda (TM) has failed twice, in opposite directions.

  30. Re:You are a coward by stupidfoo · · Score: 4, Informative

    I know fools like you typically fail at math and logic and also rarely have a firm grasp on reality. Analyzing the actual dollars spent is worthless. What's important is $ per capita and as a percentage of a countries total GDP.

    Measured as $ per capita the US is #3 (behind Israel and Singapore):
    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/mil_exp_dol_fi g_percap

    Measured as a percentage of GDP the US is #36:
    http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/ranko rder/2034rank.html

    Random countries that spend more (as a % of the GDP): Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Singapore, China, Greece, Chile, Egypt

    US Defense spending as percent of GDP from 1940-2000.

    But I'm sure whatever you've learned in school (in whatever country you're from) doesn't cover these sort of things. Your ignorant leftist teachers just point out the the US is evil because it spends more money than other countries, as if that has a thread of logic to it.

  31. Re:You are a coward by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
    he idea that slashdot has a conservative and/or pro-US slant is ridiculous.

    For those of us who aren't American, it seems obvious. Just wait till the next article that mentions India, China &/or outsourcing. Not to mention the regular ID "debates".

  32. MagLev Train by Sundroid · · Score: 1

    Maybe this research in MagLev tech, military as it is, can somehow benefit the MagLev train development in the U. S. Wouldn't it be nice to travel between LA and NY on a train that "floats" at 500 km/hr, as demonstrated in this video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=292640039 6387878713) shot by some guy who rode on a Japanese MagLev.

    1. Re:MagLev Train by e2ka · · Score: 1

      What would be the advantage over a plane?

  33. Pork. by DoctaWatson · · Score: 1

    The Defense Department spends TONS of money on military projects that have little relevance in the war on terror. Military spending is the #1 corporate subsidy that no one calls a subsidy. I'm sure a few Senators' districts get some payola out of it too.

    1. Re:Pork. by slarabee · · Score: 1

      I agree that plenty of pork goes through the military budget, but try to get someone besides Fred Kaplan to provide your linked backup.

      Follow the above link. Give Slate some eyeballs. Browse through Kaplan's previous screeds. Note the number of corrections at the bottom of many. Note how many times simple facts appear to be beyond his grasp.

      I especially like the time when he claimed the United States needs neither next gen nor stealth aircraft since no surface to air missile can reach above ten thousand feet. The very first Soviet SAM, the venerable SA-1, had an interception altitude of around sixty thousand feet. This man writes a defense related column?

  34. Not a solution at all by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

    War never solved anything. Every war has its roots in previous hostility and violence and disrespect for others. World War II for instance, was largely a result of World War 1. Also, it can be argued that it was predicted over a hundred years before, because of other actions at that time (start reading on wikipedia if you want to know more on this).

    It's time we started working towards peace rather than war.

    1. Re:Not a solution at all by mboverload · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're a fool.

      War has solved some of the greatest problems in history. War is the biggest motivational force in innovation.

      War is a tragic thing, but don't you dare let me hear you say it isn't useful.

    2. Re:Not a solution at all by afaik_ianal · · Score: 1

      Fight, fight, fight! :D

    3. Re:Not a solution at all by captainbarky · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "The blood of the people is the grease of the system." The more grease the system has, the more it produces; as long as the greasing is limited (limited warfare). War has solved some of the greatest problems ever conceived. As long as the relatively poor & uneducated continue to be at the front lines, the educated will have funding (biggest motivator) and purpose to overcome extremely difficult problems. War won't ever be right, but we wouldn't be where we are today without it.

    4. Re:Not a solution at all by LordSnooty · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's time we started working towards peace rather than war.

      Nice idea, but someone's gotta play with all that shiny new machinery from Lockheed Martin.

    5. Re:Not a solution at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It's time we started working towards peace rather than war.

      In the same fashion that Columbia, Peru, Chile works towards peace with the Shining Light? Plain and simple that is a group that will not rest until they are in 100% control. In addition, you are repeating an age old problem; Absolutes. War has solved a number of problems over the eons. The average person is content to sit on the side line and live their life. Generally, it takes several bully leaders to create war. The war on Iraq is from a coward and a Bully. OTH, America fighting Iraq the first time was because Iraq was the bully and America was the defender. Likewise, we saw it in Korea, WWII and WWI, that America joined in as a matter of last resport. But these are simple recent wars and only in Amerca. If you wish to look at a different war, consider Isreal against the majority of the middle east.

    6. Re:Not a solution at all by dajak · · Score: 1

      War never solved anything.

      This is silly. One of the sides in a war usually achieves the main objective the war was fought for (defending one's sovereignty, for instance). Given the costs of the war this may not seem very much to many of its victims, but it is simply untrue that it "never solved anything".

      Every war has its roots in previous hostility and violence and disrespect for others. World War II for instance, was largely a result of World War 1.

      True. And the griefs of the German people at their treatment after WWI were reasonable. But what does that mean? The trauma of WWI -- the belief that loss of freedom was better than a repetition of the slaughter in WWI -- contributed significantly to *causing* the collapse of continental Europe in the face of Nazi aggression in 1939-'40. Looking back we know that dozens of millions less would have been killed if continental Europe would have ganged up against the Nazis in time.

      It's time we started working towards peace rather than war.

      All wars are started to achieve another peace: peace on the terms of the aggressor. The objectives of the aggressor often sound quite reasonable to the impartial referee (but are obviously misrepresented in later history if the aggressor loses the war).

      Let's work towards international justice: "working towards peace" is meaningless.

    7. Re:Not a solution at all by GoatMonkey2112 · · Score: 1

      What does war have to do with making quiet engines?

    8. Re:Not a solution at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      War never solved anything. Every war has its roots in previous hostility and violence and disrespect for others.
       
      War solved lots of things: the US isn't still trying to gain sovereignty from Great Britain, the southern states aren't still arguing for state's rights over federal power, Germany isn't still occupying Europe, the French aren't ruled by a monarchy, etc. While it's true many conflicts go unresolved within one war, it doesn't mean war never solved anything.
       
      Limited war, is a problem because it is designed to only kill combatants, and does not break the will of populace. Soldiers are killed, but the infrastructure and ideology remains so you end up with guerilla warfare, and long drawn out conflicts.

    9. Re:Not a solution at all by websaber · · Score: 1

      You are making the classic mistake. You sound like a nice guy/girl and you are asumming that the whole world is as nice as you are but there are really bad people out there and if you just let them run wild they will create a enviorment that will just drag more and more people to their corruption. We could all work together and build a nice world but the answer is never to let evil run rampant until we get there.

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    10. Re:Not a solution at all by drgonzo59 · · Score: 1
      Good, you can say that again when an enemy tank rolls over your skull, because your country 's military couldn't stop it.

      I haven't seen two siblings that never thought, what do you expect from 6+ billions that have to share the same planet...

    11. Re:Not a solution at all by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      If you think it's solved anything, I'd like to hear your reasoning.

    12. Re:Not a solution at all by CarpetShark · · Score: 1
      One of the sides in a war usually achieves the main objective the war was fought for (defending one's sovereignty, for instance).


      No, that's short-sighted. No one actually fights over concepts like sovereignty. If you look a little deeper, you'll see that human, personal issues like fear and disrespect are at work. THAT is what needs to be solved, and that is precisely what war will not solve.
    13. Re:Not a solution at all by CarpetShark · · Score: 1
      I haven't seen two siblings that never thought


      Assuming you meant "fought"... yes, of course that's the norm as children grow up. However, it's also true that most people learn to get along as they mature. There is no reason the relationships between larger organisations of people cannot mature in the same way as interpersonal relationships.
    14. Re:Not a solution at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As popular war advances
      Peace is closer
      - Guns N Roses

    15. Re:Not a solution at all by CarpetShark · · Score: 1
      As popular war advances
      Peace is closer
      - Guns N Roses


      You quoted that out of context. The song Civil War is AGAINST war, not for it.
    16. Re:Not a solution at all by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      Not at all. I never said it was easy, or that people don't want to fight. However, children also want to fight, and it's not easy to raise them so that they respect each other. Nonetheless, we take up the challenge, and generally, we prevail.

    17. Re:Not a solution at all by Dining+Philanderer · · Score: 0

      You suffer from the typical ultra pacifist blind spot. You do not believe in evil. There is no point in talking to you if you cannot accept that...

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      Are we perfect? No. But where I should move when I renounce my U.S. citizenship, North Korea, Libya, China, or Iran?
    18. Re:Not a solution at all by drgonzo59 · · Score: 1
      Good point and thanks for correction. English is a third language for me.

      Your post made me think. The question of "can countries/societies/nations grow and mature?" is pretty good. In a certain ways they can, I guess that is what we call 'progress'. It is much easier though to say that a person is mature than to say that a country is mature. At the same time I would probably argue that very few, or almost no present day nations would be considered "mature". Looking at external politics is like looking at children play: "Oh, so you'll expel my ambassador -- Fine! We'll impose an embargo then!" and so on.

      It is well known that large groups of people regress as a group in terms of behavior and morality compared to individuals. So if there are a number of fairly average individuals, when they are in a crowd, the crowd as a whole is very likely to act very immaturely, they will vandalize stuff, pillage, kill indiscriminately and so on. After it is done, everyone goes home and sleeps just fine. Not much guilt, not much shame. So I wonder if countries act the same way.

      I think the figurative image of the world politics, with countries represented as kids on the playground, would be pretty amusing.

    19. Re:Not a solution at all by RWerp · · Score: 1

      Looking back we know that dozens of millions less would have been killed if continental Europe would have ganged up against the Nazis in time.

      But it did. The problem was, Nazis were too strong.

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      "Long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead." (John Maynard Keynes)
    20. Re:Not a solution at all by dajak · · Score: 1

      No, that's short-sighted. No one actually fights over concepts like sovereignty. If you look a little deeper, you'll see that human, personal issues like fear and disrespect are at work. THAT is what needs to be solved, and that is precisely what war will not solve.

      The average Joe will fight to retain sovereignty (the freedom of "his group" to arrange the conditions in which they live) if he fears the alternative. In many cases (like the Nazi attack in 1940) this fear is wellfounded, and one should be fearful as long as the other guys insist on being fearsome. The problem of the defender is that sovereignty is threatened, and when defence is successful that problem is solved. Therefore war did solve something.

      In other cases people feel ambivalent about being attacked because they fear their own government more than the enemy, and in that case people will not defend the country very well. In that case war also solves a problem.

      The problem is that since you don't know the outcome upfront, people -- even the winning side -- can be unhappy about the costs afterwards. The problem is also that the causes of the war usually could have been avoided: an important cause of WWII was not WWI but the unjust peace in between. Still many wars do create a better peace.

      I don't believe in solutions to this problem that require a mentality change with the other side to work. If you don't defend yourselves against aggressors, you will get more misery, not less, because you rewarded aggression. By denying the land you take away one cause of war: the belief among the aggressors that it can solve their problem with low costs.

    21. Re:Not a solution at all by dajak · · Score: 1

      But it did. The problem was, Nazis were too strong.

      The Czechs were strong, but fought alone. The Poles were strong, but fought alone. The French, British, Dutch, and Belgiums matched the Germans (reinforced with Czech tanks) but they didn't trust eachother, feared a repetition of WWI, and the Brits fought halfheartedly. Later the Yugoslavians and Greeks fought alone. The Russians fought alone, until the Americans and Brits started to help.

    22. Re:Not a solution at all by mboverload · · Score: 1

      Some of the greatest finds in medical treatment were developed because of war.

    23. Re:Not a solution at all by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      Sorry, that's not solving something with warfare. That's finding a medical discovery as a by-product of the death and destruction caused by war. As everyone knows, the medical profession's first and foremost rule is, "first do no harm."

    24. Re:Not a solution at all by CarpetShark · · Score: 1
      The problem of the defender is that sovereignty is threatened, and when defence is successful that problem is solved. Therefore war did solve something.


      Not at all. If one war destablises international relations, then it only increases the need for future fear. On the other hand, if economic ties are forged, and social interaction and cohesion is developed, security is much more tangible.

      The problem is also that the causes of the war usually could have been avoided: an important cause of WWII was not WWI but the unjust peace in between. Still many wars do create a better peace.


      You have a point there, but I think you're bending it too much to your own ends. You can say that the war itself was not the issue, but that the conditions imposed by the victors afterwards lead to further war. However, other economic and international issues lead to the first World War, so where does that end? All it proves is that war was a temporary insanity in the midst of trying to find real, lasting social and economic stability. The wars certainly did not CREATE any peace; the peace was there before and after, so they were a distraction from it.

      I don't believe in solutions to this problem that require a mentality change with the other side to work. If you don't defend yourselves against aggressors, you will get more misery, not less, because you rewarded aggression.


      That assumes that you let it progress to aggression before fixing it.
    25. Re:Not a solution at all by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      Yes, this is precisely what I'm getting at :D The international situation is quite ridiculous really. I'm not saying that the solutions are easy, but I think we should recognise the problem and begin to make a real effort :)

    26. Re:Not a solution at all by mboverload · · Score: 1

      I'll remember that next time you get a bacterial infection of the eye.

    27. Re:Not a solution at all by dajak · · Score: 1

      You have a point there, but I think you're bending it too much to your own ends. You can say that the war itself was not the issue, but that the conditions imposed by the victors afterwards lead to further war. However, other economic and international issues lead to the first World War, so where does that end? All it proves is that war was a temporary insanity in the midst of trying to find real, lasting social and economic stability. The wars certainly did not CREATE any peace; the peace was there before and after, so they were a distraction from it.

      The peace at the other side of the war is sometimes better and sometimes worse. Very often it is better for some people and worse for others. For some people even the war itself is better than the peace before or after. Only the people who profit from the present peace want to see it continued indefinitely. The trick to a lasting peace is to distribute the benefits of the peace to as many people as possible.

      Not at all. If one war destablises international relations, then it only increases the need for future fear. On the other hand, if economic ties are forged, and social interaction and cohesion is developed, security is much more tangible.

      Not necessarily. Interaction creates envy and causes for war. Economic ties only help if they are at your expense or equally to the benefit of everyone. The Anglo-Dutch Wars are a good example of wars between countries with close economic ties, and also of the fact that a bit of limited warfare for economic purposes can make you rich and powerful at the expense of others. It is also a reminder that you shouldn't try being richer than your more populous neighbours. Not without an even bigger one protecting you anyway. Being Dutch myself I obviously don't think of these wars as 'good wars', but they were profitable to the British even taking the costs of war into account.

      We now have the 'Pax Americana' protecting small countries (like Kuwait) from predation by bigger ones (like Iraq), but this will only last as long as the Americans believe they are the economically most successful people in the world. If the Americans themselves become prone to violent fits of jealousy Pax Americana will be over. We will recognize it when it has happened.

    28. Re:Not a solution at all by CarpetShark · · Score: 1
      The peace at the other side of the war is sometimes better and sometimes worse. Very often it is better for some people and worse for others.


      Which is precisely why it's better for no one. There will never be lasting peace as long as one side feels they've gotten the raw end of the deal. We have to focus on finding solutions that satisfy everyone equally and fairly.

      Interaction creates envy and causes for war.


      Only if you interact in a disrespectful and unfair way.
    29. Re:Not a solution at all by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      Well, now you're appealing to tradition instead of arguing the case, so I'll leave the discussion here. Thanks for your thoughts though.

    30. Re:Not a solution at all by dajak · · Score: 1

      Which is precisely why it's better for no one. There will never be lasting peace as long as one side feels they've gotten the raw end of the deal. We have to focus on finding solutions that satisfy everyone equally and fairly.

      We are getting into a repetition of moves. It's a nice idea, but somebody somewhere will always feel they have gotten the raw end of the deal. That doesn't mean that lasting peace is impossible, but it does mean that the costs of war must be high enough to discourage people. Therefore people should defend themselves against aggressors.

    31. Re:Not a solution at all by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      Yes, we're not managing to convince each other, so let's just drop it.

  35. Re:Awesome! by rleibman · · Score: 1

    I mean, half the country openly dissents from the ruling party.
    You can only say that if you seriously think that the democrats and the are not part of the ruling party. The ruling party has a duopoly, they trade places in power once in a while to make you believe that there really is a democracy, and to keep you from voting for a real alternative with fear that the worst of two evils might get elected.
    Wake up!
    Although I do have to say that there have been worse Totalitarian societies, but wait.... our rulers are not done yet.

  36. Re:Awesome! by stupidfoo · · Score: 1

    So, I'm wondering, why there are Communist politcal parties... if communism has nothing to do with politics? Is the World Worker's Party just an economic policy group?

    I also was unaware that being captured on a battlefied while practicing warfare in violation of the Geneva conventions was now considered kidnapping.

    It appears also that you lend some credence to the idea that adding swearwords to one's post increases it's impact. So, here goes: Damn, fuck shit fuck!

    Hope that helps.

  37. Re:You are a coward by stupidfoo · · Score: 1

    It's obvious that it's ridiculous? Good. I'm glad we all agree then.

  38. Re:You are a coward by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
    As the Cuban missile crises showed, the US was more then willing to risk complete annihilation in a fight to keep the USSR at bay.

    Whatever the merits of the rest of your argument; the Cuban Missile Crisis was a crisis because the US itself was threatened, the US has never gone that far when another country was threatened by a major power. And as for Vietnam.... Whatever good was done, not EVERYTHING was good, and what GWB has got you into now is pretty controversial, to put it as mildly as I can.

  39. Re:You are a coward by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

    actually you can see it both ways

    the soviet army was the only thing that stood between the us military and the rest of the world. as soon as ussr was dissolved the us army has begun to bomb several countries to the stone age.

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    Conservatism: The fear that somewhere, somehow, someone you think is your inferior is being treated as your equal.
  40. Doesn't make sense? by someone1234 · · Score: 1

    Probably because you haven't read TFA. It is about reducing shock in fast coast patrol vessels, helicopters and humvees. The noiseless ship was a previous incarnation of this idea, but that was scrapped in the past.

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    Patents Drive Free Software as Hurricanes Drive Construction Industry
  41. Ideal for submarines by Blind_Io_42 · · Score: 1
    This technology would be ideal for nuclear subs. Silence equates to survival in submarines - already US boats use a "raft" design to prevent noise from entering the water from machinery. All equipment is mounted on rubber bushings, not directly on the deck and the deck is also suspended by isolating rubber pads - all to keep vibration from transmitting to the hull and into the water.

    Our nuclear subs already produce enough electricity to light a small city, a little extra juice to power mag lev supports would probably be worth the extra turns on the turbines and cooling pumps. There would, of course, need to be a back-up system to support the equipment should the system fail or the sub loose power (also while the sub is in dock and the reactor is "idle")

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  42. Re:You are a coward by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
    Good. I'm glad we all agree then.

    Because if we don't, we know what happens.

    Anyway, cheap shots aside, Slashdot may be "liberal" on the US scale, but it still pegs pretty far to the right as the rest of the world sees things.

  43. Re:You are a coward by shmlco · · Score: 1

    Yeah. It's not like the USSR invaded Afghanistan and tried to bomb it into the stone age before we did... wait.

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  44. Re:I'm going to say to you what other /.rs told me by Bombula · · Score: 1
    While it is a valid point to say that Slashdot is supposed to be about technology free from the shackles of politics, technology divorced from socio-political context is profoundly dangerous.

    Einstein had a few things to say along the same lines, for example, when we were developing nukes. There was also a good line in Jurassic Park that encapsulated this idea well, referring to recreating dinosaurs of course, that went something like, "just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should."

    This idea is also at the center of the stem cell and cloning debates.

    If Slashdot really is "news for nerds, stuff that matters," then we nerds should be intelligent enough to discuss technology in its full human context, not just on the lab table in our ivory towers of idealism and naivity. I think most of us here are smart enough not to have to bury our heads in the sand.

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  45. In his defense by DoctaWatson · · Score: 1

    He was talking about mobile SAM's- the ones used by small guerrila armies, not the large fixed ones used for national defense. His point is that the weapons we build are being built for the wrong kind of war.

    1. Re:In his defense by slarabee · · Score: 1

      Quite probably. I might be willing to concede that he is simply a sloppy writer and not always factually wrong. I am simply appalled at the number of factual errors in his writing. Perhaps they are not deathblows to his opinions by themselves, but their mere existence is indictive of some problems in his noodle.

      Where was I? Oh yeah, the United States has fought at least three conflicts in the past fifteen years where SAM activity was encountered beyond ten thousand feet. Seems a might shortsighted to believe a wee bit of altitude is all the defense aircraft will need in even near future conflicts.

  46. Re:Awesome! by pomo+monster · · Score: 1

    You still think there's no real difference between Republicans and Democrats? Fine, I suppose, if you're ready to dismiss the real, life-and-death concerns of 99% of the nation. Sounds a little selfish to me.

  47. Now that we mastered magnetization... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    on to gravitational shields!

  48. Re:(why in a helicopter?) by MMaestro · · Score: 1

    Strap yourself into a metal cage and then drop the metal cage from an altitude of about 50 meters (low enough to negate any significant wind resistance) and see how you feel upon landing. Thats basicly how helicopter pilots feel upon crash landing, helicopters don't exactly come equiped with airbags or crash absorbant materials.

  49. Re:You are a coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Police States of America - Land of the Fee, Home of the Slave.

  50. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoa! I enjoy the occasional tin-foil hat remarks every now and then like every other /.'er, but WOW this is beyond paranoid. By your logic every single political power throughout history has been nothing more than facade for controlling a totalitarian society. The only difference is the names of the political groups.

  51. Re:You are a coward by lisaparratt · · Score: 1

    Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Singapore, China, Greece, Chile, Egypt

    What a prestigious list of first world countries for the USA to be counted among. I bet you're all very proud.

  52. Re:You are a coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Percentages don't show raw hard numbers though. Sure the percentage of the GDP of some country might be larger... but in dollars spent the US is still on top, and thats what you should look at when comparing countries.

    2004 Expenditure in the United States: $466 billion USD.

    I don't care if its a smaller percentage than Greece (6.12 Billion USD), because $466 billion USD buys a whole hell of a lot of bombs.

  53. Noise by mysqlbytes · · Score: 0

    Vibration will still exist, as the forces that keep the motor elevated will also push the sub, or what other devices. The sound and smaller vibrations might be dampened too. But what about the electrical hum of those magnets? If you stand anywhere near a large transformer you can hear its 50Hz beauty (here in europe). I've worked with large motors before and to use maglev's to remove vibrations won't really happen. What about supplying power to a motor that can move under differing loads of torque? Or about very large inductive currents being generated by the maglev's electric field in the coil windings???

  54. Re:You are a coward by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

    check your history facts please.

    ussr was invited by the afghan administration to help them against amin who has murdered the prime minister, declared himself ruler of afghanistan and started a reign of terror.
    ussr also invested lot of money in afghanistan, building schools, industry and so on.

    so no, it is not like the ussr invaded afghanistan and tried to bomb it into the stone age.

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    Conservatism: The fear that somewhere, somehow, someone you think is your inferior is being treated as your equal.
  55. Re:You are a coward by TheGhostOfDerrida · · Score: 1

    How about hand to hand combat .. tried it lately.. or just calling your self brave by killing people who have nothing to do with anything with missile (who is the terrorist).
    Well, actually, yes, we have tried hand-to-hand combat recently... when we... uhh... fought the Romans. Yea. The Romans. About a year ago. Don't you read the news? We kicked their asses too, and we might just do it again real soon if Caesar can't get his crap together. But that whole conflict was really just a little demo for the Mongolians (if Ghengis doesn't stop oppressin' the people, we'll be all over them too) and the Babylonians (stop tradin' slaves, yo!).
    But when we're fighting the nation of Terrorism (who are a notoriously crafty people), it's better safe than sorry, hence the missles.

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  56. Railgun? by Half+a+dent · · Score: 1

    Shrink the technology down so the "track" is just a couple of feet long. Increase the velocity of objects placed on it and you could have a basic low tech railgun.

    Not sure if a hand held version would be feasible with current batteries though.

  57. Re:You are a coward by pomo+monster · · Score: 1

    How condescending of you. How culturally judgmental. I'd much rather live in Istanbul than in Paris, anyway.

  58. Re:You are a coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet at the very least the people of Taiwan sleep a little bit better at night knowing that US military leviathan is still lumbering around.

    Yes, while the people of Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc., etc., etc., sleep worse, because they've seen the tens of thousands of innocent women and children that the US military has massacred in Iraq, and they know that if Bush gets his way, their wives and children will be next.

    But at least Taiwan's okay. That makes it all alright. As long as Taiwan is happy, the USA can slaughter as many innocents as it likes in pursuit of the chimera of Terror, right?

  59. Ruining the Military. by packetmill · · Score: 1

    Uncle Sam would be ashamed. What would the U.S Navy be without the sheer atmosphere of it's arrival?
    It's all about NOISE, man. You can't convincingly attack and occupy a country against international law unless you're menacing enough to do it.

    Plus, the world will think our army is gay. We all read the recent soldier porno story...where are we headed here?

  60. Re:You are a coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You missed the whole point of the statement. He is not counting the US among those countries. Rather he is counting the US BEHIND those countries. If you ever decide to go back and look again at the statement, it may be a good idea to reread the first paragraph while you're at it. It applies, but then again it won't do much good.

  61. Re:Awesome! by Haeleth · · Score: 1

    I also was unaware that being captured on a battlefied while practicing warfare in violation of the Geneva conventions was now considered kidnapping.

    And I was unaware that being arrested while going about one's peaceful business in Pakistan, hundreds of miles from the nearest battlefield, and illegally handed over to the US military, was now considered "being captured on a battlefied (sic) while practicing warfare in violation of the Geneva conventions".

    (FYI, while there are no official figures, it is widely believed that fewer than 10% of the detainees in Guantanamo Bay were captured on a battlefield by Coalition forces.)

    I also find bizarre your apparent belief that the US should not have to obey the Geneva Convention if the enemy wasn't obeying the Geneva Convention. By that argument, the police should be allowed to break the law because criminals break the law. That wouldn't lead to a society I'd particularly want to live in...

  62. Re:You are a coward by The+Wooden+Badger · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of a story of a college recruit. College A offered a half scholarship to play a sport. College B offered a third scholarship to play the sport. Recruit picks college A because one half is greater than one third. College A offered a bigger percentage of a scholarship and a larger dollar value as well. The recruit cited a single parent mother that would have difficulty making up the remainder of the necessary money. What the recruit failed to appreciate was that attending college A would require the recruit to make up around $40,000 to attend school while college B would require only $8,000. If it was truly about money the recruit, if truly smart, would have picked college B. Throw in that college B is regularly one of the top 2-3 teams in conference and college A is regularly one of the bottom 2-3 teams in the conference, the recruit really shines as a doofus.

    The take home message is that numbers are good and fun, but it really helps to know what they represent. Total dollars the US is the biggest warmonger on this little rock. % of GDP tells a whole other story. There are other countries that appear to have the military as its primary industry. Makes me think of little yipping dogs.

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  63. Re:You are a coward by mallardtheduck · · Score: 1

    If you want to go into the cold war, you really should know that it might never have happened if the USA had not REFUSED to negotiate with the USSR.

    One of the main goals of Wiston Churchill's second tenure (1951-1955) was to bring about peacefull negotiations between the USA and USSR. He managed to get the USSR to agree to negotiations, but the USA (President Eisenhower) refused.

    The source for this was a TV documentary on the BBC.
    The only reference brought up by Google is this:

    http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cf m?pageid=711

    After Stalin's death in March of that year, the new Soviet regime appeared to Churchill to be signaling, in various ways - for example, in the Austrian treaty negotiations - a new readiness to reduce tensions. He believed there was a least a glimmer of light, a possibility of progress. He told President Eisenhower in a letter: "A new hope has been created in the unhappy, bewildered world." And he suggested that the West make a new approach to Moscow. He wrote in a top secret message; "If we fail to . . . seize this moment's precious chances, the judgement of future ages would be harsh and just."

    The moment, unfortunately, remained unseized. John Foster Dulles and some in his own Foreign Office accused Winston Churchill of starting down the road of appeasement. As the recently published diary of his private secretary, Sir John Colville, recounts, it was one of the bitter moments of Churchill's life when Eisenhower rejected the policy of negotiation.

    The issue is not whether the policy surely would have worked; many of his friends conceded that at that time it might very well have failed. But Winston Churchill was steadfast in believing that it should be tried. As he said in 1955, in one of his last, great speeches to Parliament, "I have hoped for a long time for a top-level conference where these matters can be put plainly and bluntly" - and he was talking then specifically about the issue of nuclear weapons.

  64. Be Vewy, Vewy Quiet by pipingguy · · Score: 1


    "Stealth" is a buzzword these days, but the reality is decoys. Radar and other detection systems work excellently when shooting down flying things.

    A 4 million dollar missile wasting itself on an air-launched, $5000 decoy is a good investment. That is one way the US defeated the Iraqi air defense. Pretty easy, actually, if you think about it.

  65. You're a moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    It's all about NOISE, man. You can't convincingly attack and occupy a country against international law unless you're menacing enough to do it.

    The Western way of warfare is rediculously techno-centric and full of chest beating machoness. It is stupid and gets our young men killed. You'll notice that we have constantly received an ass kicking by the sneaky modern day hashashins of the middle east and central asia. The vietcong bush ninjas of yesteryear also showed us the greatness of silenct deceptive warfare.

    In a bar fight analogy. The western way is the loud boisterous drunk who tells anyone and everyone how he would kick their ass in the most loudest possible fashion. Our enemies are the sober guy in the dark corner, who the loud idiot has slighted earlier on in the night. That same sober guy will leave a tiny bit earlier than said drunk to launch an ambush from an alley way with a baseball bat or knife on the arrogant loud fool on his way home.

    I'd bet on the silent unassuming type than Mr arrogant Noise it a combat situation.

    1. Re:You're a moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      In a bar fight analogy. The western way is the loud boisterous drunk who tells anyone and everyone how he would kick their ass in the most loudest possible fashion. Our enemies are the sober guy in the dark corner, who the loud idiot has slighted earlier on in the night. That same sober guy will leave a tiny bit earlier than said drunk to launch an ambush from an alley way with a baseball bat or knife on the arrogant loud fool on his way home.


      Right. How about the guy in the bar who's a jock and bragging about how he can kick anybody and everybody's ass in a New York second, and then slights a few pencil-necked wushu practicing geeks in the corner. Later that night two geeks (who had departed earlier stewing about their humiliation) attempt to jump the jock (one with a knife, one with a bat). The jock then drops into a weaver stance and says "you don't bring knives and bats to a gunfight you stupid fucks" and then puts two into the killbox of each nerd. Yes Virginia, there are people who can cash the checks written by their mouths.

      Bottom line is, we're not always right.. but we are big, and we are bad. Tomahawks and B-2's? We got em. Greenie Beanies and SEAL teams on the prowl killing people in the background? We got em.

      Everybody likes to cite the "litte guy".. i.e. Vietnam or the insurgents in Iraq. I've got news for you: the VC and NVA took one hell of an ass-kicking (and yes, they did kill quite a few of our guys), and if the north were considered fair game it would be a different landscape over there. We should have told China before they were a major nuclear player that if they reinforce the north, they'll start seeing tactical nukes coming their way.

      I disagree with the Iraq debacle in the first place, but now that it's started if we lose right now it is a lack of will, not weapons systems, not soldiers. We've placed far too many limits on combat. Our enemy violates the Geneva convention so I see little reason why we shouldn't "opt-out" as well. Hell, Russia is throwing around fuel-air explosives in metropolitan areas of Chechnya so why not?

      It's sort of like pulling the gun from the holster: there is no middle ground. If you pull it in self-defense it must be used quickly and with conviction. If you start a war you must follow through with maximum violence until the enemy capitulates or is destroyed.

      I'd bet on the silent unassuming type than Mr arrogant Noise it a combat situation.


      Right. Sounds like you worship that parable. Too bad it's bullshit.
  66. Why in a Helicopter? by Senor_Programmer · · Score: 1

    It's bouncing around a lot. We don't see this 'in the news' because image stabilization is used with TeeVee cameras and other optics. Image stabilization does not work with gun sights. Sure, the whole weapons platform could be stabilized, but imagine all the hydraulics, gimbal mounts, servo-motors, etc. Lots of weight for a Helicopter.

    1. Re:Why in a Helicopter? by Jesapoo · · Score: 1

      Watch some Gun Camera movies - they're everywhere on the internet. A lot of them, taken from choppers, bounce around a hell of a lot, despite the heavy image stabilisation being used, when when not firing. Helecopters aren't quite as stable a launch platform as they seem!

      Being able to give your pilot and gunner a more stable seat would make aiming more accurate, and I'd imagine make the flight much less fatiguing.

    2. Re:Why in a Helicopter? by Aero · · Score: 2, Funny

      When I was in school, I had an aerodynamics prof that was trying to make a point about the serious mechanical and material issues that helicopters have because of vibration. It's a real problem, and this system would help a lot, even if a crash landing isn't involved (as TFA mentions).

      However, since his exact words were "Helicopters are flying vibrators", the point was largely lost on us at the time, and it took several minutes for the lecture hall to calm down enough for him to continue...

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  67. Re:I'm going to say to you what other /.rs told me by Zantetsuken · · Score: 1

    I suppose I came a little bit strong there, I dont know. I know slashdot is also meant for the moral side of technology, such as you said, Bombula, stem cell research and things like that, I was simply trying to save him/her from making future irrelevant posts causing him/her to be flamed on to a crispy chicken point about "great they just spent another few billion when they coulda fed the homeless" or any post of the sort criticizing the government about its "choice of spending" that always pop up in something like this submission...

  68. Perhaps spread to civilian life? by ursabear · · Score: 1

    MagLev is interesting technology. It has been proven (at least mostly viable) many times over with things like trains. I think it is actually a pretty good idea for the military to see if it fits in the movement of machines and heavy loads.

    An advantage of the military trying to make something work long-term and heavy-duty-scale is that the developments for the military could probably trickle down to use in civilian life. Many technologies have taken just such a development path. Especially those where business had not wanted to fund research and development as a private project - but was happy to do so for the military. Maybe they'll finally come up with those flying/floating cars I was promised in the 60s?

  69. Re:You are a coward by Bazzalisk · · Score: 1
    Yes, the rest of the world in this case probably means the UK, Canada, Ireland, and New Zealand, where liberal is generaly speaking considered a comliment, or at least a value neutral decriptor - not a politcal position. :)

    (The rest of Europe doesn't speak english, so doesn't use the word liberal at all - most of the rest of the world isn't very liberal by anyone's definition)

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  70. Re:You are a coward by lisaparratt · · Score: 1

    My point is that it's an awfully short list of countries who spend more, and it certainly means that the US would be included in any list of countries that spend over the top when it comes to military hardware. Funnily enough, it's also a good summary of countries with long records of severe human rights abuses.

  71. Huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Being the world's greatest military power, wouldn't it make more sense to invest in loudspeakers?

  72. +1 Paranoia by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 1

    You fools, the military ALREADY has this kind of technology! DON'T BELIEVE WHAT THEY SAY.

  73. Re:Awesome! by Half+a+dent · · Score: 1

    I'd disagree, if "half the country openly dissents from the ruling party" but it makes no difference to policy then the "totalitarian dictatorship" can call itself a legitimate democracy.

    Totalitarian dictatorships only fail when they become too extreme and it becomes in everyone's interest globally to oppose them. But by keeping the pretence of freedom, people are inclined to let them get away with it. The fact that you see it as feeble means the PR is working.

    The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers!

  74. Other consequences by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    OK, great you now have seats that mitigate impact and motors that aren't really attached to the hull... a couple of questions:

    1) I've never been in combat, but I'd expect that damage enough to cause power failure is rather common. With everything else, it's 'repair the damage and start her up again'. With motors mounted on 'maglev' shocks, what happens if you don't have the supplemental power to start with?

    2) IMO one of the most impressive things about the modern military is their sensor suites at all levels from the massive carrier group to the individual soldier? How will these be affected by maglev systems in everything? How about Joe Soldier's mark 1 compass?

    3) the flip side of #3, I'd expect that you're just giving enemy targeting systems one more 'thing' to aim at; in fact I find it hard to believe that these relatively high-power systems wouldn't make 'stealthing' the using vehicle nearly impossible?

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  75. Re:You are a coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, it's certainly not considered a dirty word. Always strikes me as funny that the 'land of the free' treats liberal as a term of political abuse.
    Etymology: from latin liber
    liber (1) -era -erum [free , independent, unrestrained; free from, exempt].
    Source: http://catholic.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/lookup.pl? stem=liber&ending=

    Draw your own conclusions...

  76. Soviet Propaganda succeeded! by mi · · Score: 1
    ussr was invited by the afghan administration to help them against amin who has murdered the prime minister, declared himself ruler of afghanistan and started a reign of terror.
    The regime changes in Afghanistan were with the Soviet help. The new puppet-ruler then "invited" USSR. If you believe, that was legitimate, imagine your favorite President "inviting" foreign paratroopers to protect himself from impeachment...

    Your ridiculous attempt at history revision surprises me — I thought, this Soviet lie fooled no one at all.

    You may argue, that our methods of setting up preferred governments weren't much different, but our results speak for themselves. Places like Puerto Rico, South Korea, or even Chile (boo-Pinochet-boo!) are the regional champions and the envy of those of their neighbors, where the Commie rhethorics prevailed.

    From its beginning USSR was unabashed about "exporting revolution". Fortunately for the rest of the world, the US was there to contain it.

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    1. Re:Soviet Propaganda succeeded! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please people of this very boring debate,

      remember that history is writen by the winners.
      The only way to even remotly discover some form of good/bad is to review
      What they say they did,
      What the effect of that was,
      What they gained from doing it.

      and if from the same time frame, you review some of there actions, you might get a glimpse of there motive.
      And from there motive combined with the outcome of the sum of there actions you might be able to decide purly for yourself if it was good or bad.

      personally i can't stand democracy for the flaws it has, and don't think communism will ever work because where only human.
      So just let the USA fall, let russia fall (a bit further) and let china fall.
      And appoint the grand dutchy of Luxemburg to sort it out.

    2. Re:Soviet Propaganda succeeded! by mi · · Score: 1
      remember that history is writen by the winners.
      I don't need to neither read nor write this particular part of history. I lived through it.
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    3. Re:Soviet Propaganda succeeded! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personal perspective is useless.
      It makes your opinions on the subject even more biased.

      To look at these things you don't need te perspective of a person, but a much more abstract perspective on the scale of countries.
      goverments don't generally do things because they want to but because there's a natural push from various powers. (the people/the media/the company's/other countries)

      And in the same sense you can't look at there actions with your own morals/ethics.
      Because short term bad actions might have a long term benefit that outways the short term effect.
      And the long term affect might not start for another 50 years.

  77. Re:You are a coward by ArcherB · · Score: 0

    the US has never gone that far when another country was threatened by a major power.

    I'm sure there are a lot of Germans in Berlin who would whole-heartedly disagree with you. Does the term Berlin Airlift mean anything to you. Google it.

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  78. Compare the goals... by mi · · Score: 1
    the soviet army was the only thing that stood between the us military and the rest of the world.
    USSR was actively trying to "export the revolution". USA was protecting the world.

    If you wish to look at it "objectively", you'll have to say: "USA is trying to export democracy. USSR was preventing that".

    To equate the two, you must equate the Soviet regime with ours. I have seen fools (most of them never exposed to one or the other) trying to do that, so I'll just point you at the objective facts: forget the evil oppressiveness of all Communist rulers and simply look at the results. However much you may hate "corporations", examples like

    • Finland vs. Estonia
    • South vs. North Korea
    • Chile vs. Argentina
    • West vs. East Germany
    • Thailand vs. Cambodia
    speak one tune: what USSR tried spread was far worse, than what America was protecting.

    It really is black-and-white, and there are no "shades of grey" about it: USSR — bad; USA — good.

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    1. Re:Compare the goals... by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      you must be one of those fools because i know both myself.

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  79. Re:Awesome! by ArcherB · · Score: 0

    I'm sure glad we live in country that is fiscally responsible. We've got our debt down to nine trillion, so it really was time to start a few wars and spend half a trillion dollars a year on our military. Who needs an education or the stabilization of developing countries through economic development when we can have maglev engines and VTOL projects that literally waste billions of dollars?

    President's Day really got me thinking of how lucky I am to live in America. I mean, only communists forcibly take money away from their citizens in order to increase their own power, domestically and abroad. And, if we lived in a communist country, just doing something like reading a book or saying we should overthrow the government would warrant an interview from the police! They can even spy on their own citizens in secret! And, in communist countries, they can throw you in jail for no reason, and you don't get a lawyer or anything! Lincoln would be so, so proud.


    You are free to move, ya know. Cuba is just a short swim away. Why people continue to live under totalitarian regimes when no one is keeping them here is beyond me.

    BTW, did you notice that there was not a single weapon mentioned in the article? The entire of the article spoke of how to silence subs and save lives. If what you were saying is true, we'd be researching how to gas Iran and the DNC.

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  80. power requirements, to say the least by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 1

    Let's compare old technology (rubber shock absorbing mounts) with new (active maglev shock suppressors):

    Old - cheap, zero power requirement, silent, no additional support/control systems needed, simple maintenance by minimally skilled techs, pretty effective

    New - expensive, lots of power required, non-silent, lots of additional support/control systems needed, complex maintenance by highly skilled techs, super-duper-extra effective (as soon as they get it to work, which will be Real Soon Now)

    All of this... for a seat cushion? For years, I've been hearing about active controls in shock absorbers using electrorheological or magnetorheological fluids in place of regular fluid or gas filled shock absorbers. These would be a lot more straighforward than maglev shock suppressors, but where are they?

    The fact is, the control systems still are too expensive and unresponsive, and don't offer any significant benefit over traditional shock absorbing systems. The power requirements for a full-on maglev systems would be ridiculous.

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  81. Did you look... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the White House? One's amBushing you right now as we speak!

  82. Re:You are a coward by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
    Does the term Berlin Airlift mean anything to you.

    It was tense, but the US and Russia didn't directly come into conflict. The whole point of the airlift was to avoid a ground-level confrontation.

  83. Re:You are a coward by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1

    Wow, can you not read. He said the US was 36th in spending based on %GDP. Are you too damn lazy to look at the link he provided? Well here ya to slackard... Ranking Country %GDP Year-of-info 1 Jordan 14.60 2004 2 Eritrea 13.40 2004 3 Oman 11.40 2003 4 Angola 10.60 2004 5 Qatar 10.00 NA 6 Saudi Arabia 10.00 2002 7 Israel 8.70 FY02 8 Yemen 7.80 2003 9 Armenia 6.50 FY01 10 Bahrain 6.30 2004 11 Burundi 6.00 2004 12 Macedonia 6.00 NA 13 Syria 5.90 NA 14 Maldives 5.50 2004 15 Kuwait 5.30 2004 16 Turkey 5.30 2003 17 Brunei 5.10 2004 18 Morocco 5.00 2004 19 Pakistan 4.90 2004 20 Singapore 4.90 NA 21 Ethiopia 4.60 2004 22 Bosnia and Herzegovina 4.50 NA 23 Djibouti 4.40 2004 24 China 4.30 2004 25 Greece 4.30 2003 26 Zimbabwe 4.30 2004 27 Botswana 3.90 2004 28 Libya 3.90 NA 29 Tajikistan 3.90 FY01 30 Chile 3.80 2004 31 Cyprus 3.80 NA 32 Colombia 3.40 FY01 33 Turkmenistan 3.40 NA 34 Egypt 3.40 2004 35 Iran 3.30 2003 est. 36 United States 3.30 February 2004

  84. Re:You are a coward by lisaparratt · · Score: 1

    Of the vast number of countries out there, 36 is a short list.

  85. as for subs... by ft+silent · · Score: 1

    I would see this technology as helpful if it can be employed without the few serious consequences I imagine cropping up.

    1. New diesel attack subs CAN BE quieter than nuclear boats, we want any edge we can get over that particular threat.
    2. Machinery noise transmitted to the hull is a huge noise problem, some Chinese boats can be tracked out beyond belief due to their sloppy engineering.
    3. (Con) Russians have a way better Magnetic Anomaly Detection system than our own maritime patrol craft, anything we use MUST NOT increase our magnetic signature. Everything from Mines and Torpedoes to you-name-it sub hunters (ships, planes, etc) employ magnetic sensors for detection. Hell, we use magnetic sensors for navigation even. These systems must not interfere with other on-board systems.
    4. (Con) When an attack sub is patrolling in a hostile area (read, inside their territorial waters...) they typically will be in a quiet condition based on threat, and lots of gear gets powered off except for vital equipment. I would hope only vital equipment gets this treatment. Changing something like this on/off would likely create a lot of noise as the rig sets down whatever is being levitated..I would assume there would be a lot of engineering done to have a back-up suspension support for anything when the power is off.
    5. (Con) Again I'll mention sensors. This stuff could make us a HUGE beacon to magnetic sensors...Mines and Torpedoes are a concern for me...Magnetic silencing by deperming and such while not extremely expensive, it can be an issue of time to complete on a regular basis.

    Overall I suppose its a loss/gain situation...I don't think it would be adopted for sub's if it cuts acoustic signatures only to increase magnetic signatures, but if they work out those issues...who knows. I think we're getting desperate in overcomming diesel threats.

    1. Re: as for subs... by dakirw · · Score: 1

      Pretty interesting points. The first point about diesel subs is known to be true, especially when they're just lurking using their electric motors. Making sure that subs would not be detected BECAUSE of this new equipment is obviously vital.

  86. It has been tried. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    It has so far been impossible to build an engine that makes many thousands of horsepower but not noise.
    The best current solutions are gas turbines combined with direct drive electric motors. The gas turbines are mounted of "rafts" that are isolated from the hull.
    Your ultimate solution is about as easy as the ultimate solution for an auto engine. One that runs for ever and uses smog for fuel while exhausting clean air. Yea it would great solution now tell me how to do it.
    On potential solution for ships would be fuel cells if you could get the power density up to what a gas turbine offers.

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  87. Quiet Engines? by Firethorn · · Score: 1

    What does war have to do with making quiet engines?

    Simple: It's easier to hide if you're quiet.

    Many of the military forces on our planet now have the capability to destroy any vessel or vehicle. The difficult part is locating them closely enough to hit them before being detected and destroyed themselves.

    When you're fighting sonar, this would allow a vessel to maintain greater speed for less noise, improving their chances for survival.

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    1. Re:Quiet Engines? by GoatMonkey2112 · · Score: 1

      I understand that, I'm just saying that it seems offtopic. /. is not supposed to be a political message board. We are supposed to be discussing the technology.

      Anyway, there have been many inventions that were created as a result of military or wartime research. Boycott *ALL* of those inventions then you can talk about this.

    2. Re:Quiet Engines? by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      Umm, in a free country, people can talk about whatever they want, and this site is about news for nerds, not just "technology". Moreover, technology does not exist outside of human cultures and politics, but as part of them, as just about any discussion on /. shows. Take all the discussions on the politics surrounding free software, for instance.

    3. Re:Quiet Engines? by GoatMonkey2112 · · Score: 1
      How is this...
      War never solved anything. Every war has its roots in previous hostility and violence and disrespect for others. World War II for instance, was largely a result of World War 1. Also, it can be argued that it was predicted over a hundred years before, because of other actions at that time (start reading on wikipedia if you want to know more on this).
      an ontopic discussion of this...
      This is all very interesting, but it seems like a roundabout solution. If the problem to begin with is isolating noise at the source and preventing noise / vibrations from getting transferred to the hull of a ship then the ultimate solution would be quiet engines.
      I'm sorry, but the whole thread should be moved. You just posted there because it was at the top.
    4. Re:Quiet Engines? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, but I bet you aren't really a goat-monkey either.
      And... so... yeah.

    5. Re:Quiet Engines? by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      I hope you're not talking about my post.

      I didn't specify any countries and spoke only in generalities. Military technology, and the reasons behind them, is definitly within the purview of slashdot. Some political commentary may occur and be on topic(ex: Why aren't we building nuke plants!). But yeah, ranting about WWI & II seems a bit far fetched.

      Anyway, there have been many inventions that were created as a result of military or wartime research. Boycott *ALL* of those inventions then you can talk about this.

      I'm in the military, I certainly ain't going to boycott my tools. The latest civilian 'innovation' I've seen is an adoptation of MRE technology to have shelf-stable 'TV Dinners'.

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    6. Re:Quiet Engines? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      The latest civilian 'innovation' I've seen is an adoptation of MRE technology to have shelf-stable 'TV Dinners'.

      Oh, yum. /...and they were forced to eat Robin's minstrals. Yay.

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    7. Re:Quiet Engines? by GoatMonkey2112 · · Score: 1

      No, I wasn't talking about your post.

    8. Re:Quiet Engines? by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      It's called conversation. Topics move and change as time goes on. One discussion inspires another, threads of discussion lead to other threads. He spoke of solutions, I took that up as a sub-thread. That's how it works.

  88. Re:You are a coward by stupidfoo · · Score: 1

    Are you still trying to argue the way out of the fact that you're an idiot?

    Vast number of countries out there? What are there, 200 or so?

    You've been made to look like an ass. Just stop.

  89. Re:You are a coward by stupidfoo · · Score: 1

    Measured as a percentage of GDP the US is #36:

    Random countries that spend more (as a % of the GDP):


    Do you know what random means? It means I just went through the list of countries and randomly grabbed selected ones. The "list" that the US is part of with these countries is the complete list of the world's nations and their military expenditures as a percentage of their GDP.

    Here's a shocker: your country is on that list too (unless you live at the vatican)!

  90. Re:The rest of Europe doesn't speak english ?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you're a little wide of the mark there...
    Many people who work in the tech industry in europe will have a very high level of spoken and written English, and it will probably be the language they have to use at work.

    Not everyone on this planet is limited to being fluent in just one language.

  91. Re:You are a coward by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1

    Vast? The compiled list was 166 countries looked at. U.S. was # 36. That puts it in ~ the top 22%.

  92. Mechanical Noise vs Magnetic Signature by s21825 · · Score: 0

    FTA: "What all navies have traditionally done is put heavy, large cables all around the perimeter of the ship. We then pass electric currents through them to try and nullify the electromagnetic feature of the steel hulls."

    I think the author used this quote out of place here. The process he is describing is used to degauss the ship to remove (or at least to alter) its magnetic signature. It has nothing to do with accoustical signature reduction, which seems to be the focus of the first part of the article.

    Both accoustical and magnetic signature reduction are of interest to a navy as they can be both used to identify not only the class of ship, but the actual ship itself. They are very different beasts though.

  93. Re:Awesome! by rleibman · · Score: 1

    There are differences, but not essential ones. Republicans speak of fiscal conservatism while plunging us into the worst debt in history. Democrats speak of Social Liberty while allowing the abuses of the drug war, terror war and war-du-jour to go on (almost no member of congress or senate of either party speaks about these things). Sure, there are differences, and they can easily be charted here but where the rubber meets the road we're talking The Evil Party vs. The Stupid Party (and notice that I don't say which one is which).

  94. Re:You are a coward by Shihar · · Score: 1

    There actually was a ground level confrontation. Multiple times the US and Germany sent ground convoys to Berlin against the expressed consent of the USSR. At one point it resulted in a many hour stand off as the convoy refused to produce papers authorizing their presence. Further, the USSR also threatened to start shooting down airplanes that were violating East German airspace. The US told them pretty point black that doing so would result in open armed conflict. The Berlin airlift was an extremely tense time. I would not underplay how close the continued supply of Berlin almost resulted in war.

  95. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These are not the political groups you are looking for.

  96. Bose magnetic car suspension by toybuilder · · Score: 1

    Bose (usually known for their speakers and audio systems) has been developing similar technology for replacing suspensions in cars...

    There are lots of articles about this, including here and here.

  97. Re:You are a coward by Shihar · · Score: 1

    ussr was invited by the afghan administration to help them against amin who has murdered the prime minister, declared himself ruler of afghanistan and started a reign of terror.

    Talk about revisionist history. The Afghan administration that "invited" the USSR was an administration funded entirely by the USSR to start their own little communist revolution in Afghanistan. This administration, even with the material backing of the Soviet Union, utterly failed and was wiped out. As they were being wiped out this communist revolution administration "invited" the USSR in. This wasn't some democratically elected administration that was taken out by a few rebels. This was a rigged communist uprising funded entirely by the USSR that was torn down by the people of Afghanistan. Granted, what they ended up building after removing the Soviet's wasn't all pleasant, making it sound like the peaceful democracy of Afghanistan called in Soviet help to restore their legitimate democracy is a complete fallacy.

    I should also point out that the USSR was "invited" to put down multiple more black and white pro-democracy uprisings on Eastern Europe by their respective Soviet controlled governments. The USSR was "invited" to come build the Berlin wall and lock down their borders so that people couldn't flee across country lines to get away from the Soviet controlled governments. During the time that the USSR was building walls all around its little empire to keep people in , the US, even with its liberal immigration policy was building walls to keep people out. That fact alone should tell something.

  98. Re:You are a coward by Shihar · · Score: 1

    You are right that the US refused to ever engage in much negotiation with the USSR. Yes, negotiations could have certainly reduced tensions. Increasing aid to the USSR probably could have gone a long ways to cooling things down. The US did not engage in much negotiation with the USSR until it was on the brink of collapse was because peaceful coexistence was never the goal.

    The USSR had to build walls to keep its people in. The US and Western Europe has never had to do such a thing in the last half of the past centaury. In fact, if the US and Western Europe are building walls it is to keep people out. When you have to build walls to keep your people from fleeing your government, that should be a dead giveaway that you are fucking something up. The US had no intention of letting the Soviet Union expand or even continue to hold onto its walled up section of the world. The US actively sought to put an end to the Soviet domination through direct confrontation on political, economic, and military level.

    If there is any travesty in how the US handled the USSR it, it was during the collapse of the USSR. Simply put, we gave them well intention but absolutely horrible advice. We pushed them to liberalize their economy as fast as possible and it resulted in the economic ruin that to this day they are still recovering from. They liberalized their economy long before all the pieces that needed for liberalization were in place. The country was essentially looted by an oligarchy when it was collapsed. Our push for speedy liberalization is the reason why Russia teeters on the brink of falling back into being an authoritarian nightmare again. If it wasn't for their economic ruin, they very likely would have become a successful liberal democracy well on its way towards true first world status. It certainly wasn't malicious as no one wanted Russia to succeed after the collapse of the Soviet Union more then the US did, but it was utterly wrong and flawed in hindsight. The proper course of action would have been to have advised political and social liberalization, but of pushed for slow and well planned market liberalization.

  99. Magnetic bearings for rotating machinery are real by Animats · · Score: 2, Informative
    SKF, a leading bearing manufacturer, makes magnetic bearings for rotating machinery. These are commercial products in use now.

    They're useful in situations where lubrication is difficult or the lubricant has to be sealed away from the environment. Clean rooms, vacuum systems, food and drug processing, cyrogenics, and pressurized gases qualify. They're also useful for large diameter bearings.

    These things look and work much like an electric motor. They're not that exotic.

  100. Re:Awesome! by rleibman · · Score: 1

    No, I'm not necessarily paranoid. But the problem is worse than you think. As you can see here, the republicans have abandoned any pretense at being fiscally conservative. Even those that still say they want economic freedom care much more about social control. Among the democrats they care much more about economic control than they do about social freedoms, when you put all of this together you get a continued move towards economic AND social control: the worse of both worlds. I'm sure most politicians think they are doing their best for the country, meanwhile the direction of the whole polit goes further and further south in the Nolan chart.

  101. The article doesn't work for me.. but by thewise1 · · Score: 1

    if this is referring to suspending submarine engines via a magnetic field, did it ever occur to them that maybe the dirty commies would just break out their compass and find them by their massive magnetic field? If not, then nevermind! :D

  102. Re:You are a coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but absolutely horrible advice. We pushed them to..

    what advise was actually given them? And who specifically gave that advice to them? I'm not sure that any 'governance training' was offered or accepted.

    And ultimately if any 'advice' was actually offered the responsibility should be on those who took action.

    And specifically how is Russia now any different that the US was in the first half of the 20th century? The mafia and political machines had direct control over local politicians and had vast influence over national policies even through the mid 60s. So if Russia takes a few more years to evolve its court system and remove criminal control, is it 'wrong'? Is it hard to imagine that a vast political and social change should take some time. And why should outsiders (you say 'we' when referencing the US) pass moral judgments? Especially since the US had their own problems with organized crime so very long after their independence.

    And so how should the US have 'handled' the USSR? What do you mean by handled, do you mean controlled? After an internal collapse the US should have stepped in and...what? What direct involvement should the US have taken after the collapse? The only success the US has had in nation building is direct governance (Germany and Japan) anything less was a failure. You are insinuating that the US should have had a very active role in the development of the current Russian political landscape.

    Or perhaps you are saying the US should have said different words, and that Russia would have listened and everything would be just fine now.

  103. Re:Awesome! by susano_otter · · Score: 1

    It seems like your core argument is that the regime keeps us too free to realize that we're actually slaves.

    So I'm having a hard time seeing the problem.

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  104. Re:You are a coward by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    While I don't agree with the parent, the argument that defense spending per capita or percentage of GDP is the only valid measure is pointless. If I go out and buy a military sniper rifle, then I'd rank as one of the top military spenders! The fact is we (U.S.A.) spend a crapload of our tax revenue on the military. Who gives a damn if Eritrea spends a higher percentage of peanuts on defense?

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  105. Re:You are a coward by Tonytheloony · · Score: 1

    "your ignorant leftist teachers" What the hell is that supposed to mean?

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  106. Re:You are a coward by Zerbs · · Score: 1

    Actually I'm suprised that North Korea is not in that list. http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/2792.htm Their spending is about 25% of GDP, and has 1.2 million people in the armed forces. Maybe the numbers we have weren't acurate enough for the report cited above.

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  107. Re:You are a coward by oni · · Score: 1

    There is some irony in calling someone else a coward while posting as an Anonymous Coward.

  108. Re:You are a coward by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

    That the grand-parent poster is a republican and that according to him all liberals (or at least liberal teachers) are ignorant. Only explanation I can think of.

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  109. Re:You are a coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That his teachers were ignorant leftists?

  110. Re:You are a coward by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

    Well, hang on just one second. Comparing spending to income makes no sense when your income is so high that spending in proportion to that income completely outstrips any practical need. If you're an engineer making $80,000 a year and you drive a $10,000 car, that's at least reasonable, since your new car value is 12.5% of your annual income. (Not that you necessarily pay it off in one year, just to set up the numbers) If you're a CEO making 8 million dollars a a year, that doesn't make it all that prudent to buy a $750,000 car and turn around and say, "Hey, that engineer is spending a higher percentage of his income on his car than I am on mine!"

    There are diminishing returns to a 500 billion dollar military vs. a 300 billion dollar military, especially when the purpose of your military is to beat everyone else and the most they spend is 100 billion. Just because the United States is a rich country doesn't mean it's prudent for the United States to waste money on an unnecessarily expensive military. And while the CEO's decision to waste his money is just a sad indication of his personal insecurities, the government deciding to waste everyone's money on tanks and bombs is a gross violation of the public trust.

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  111. Re:Awesome! by smithmc · · Score: 1

      Communism is not a political system, its economic.

    All political systems are economic systems, and vice versa.

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  112. Re:You are a coward by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1

    Wow, good call. I missed that one. I see South Korea at #58, but no North Korea. I see a lot of former Soviet Union countries on there, but no Russia either (unless I missed it). I'm sure theirs is down a lot now from what it was during the cold war.

  113. Re:You are a coward by smithmc · · Score: 1

      How about hand to hand combat .. tried it lately..

    Why the hell would we? What's so great about hand-to-hand combat? War is not about personal "honor" or "glory"; it's about about doing unto the other guy before he can do unto you, and achieving one's strategic objective as quickly, and with as little in the way of friendly losses, as possible.

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  114. Also car suspensions. by queazocotal · · Score: 1

    http://www.bose.com/controller?event=VIEW_STATIC_P AGE_EVENT&url=/learning/project_sound/bose_suspens ion.jsp&ck=0 Is a similar idea from bose, but improved suspensions, with lower road noise, rather than military apps.

  115. Re:The rest of Europe doesn't speak english ?!? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

    I'm flatulant in many lagranges.

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  116. Re:Awesome! by susano_otter · · Score: 1

    Did you never stop to consider that maybe the evolution of two major parties, opposing each other around the gravity of a centrist position, is a natural and healthy--and therefore desireable--outcome of democratic rule?

    In a system where a majority is needed to effect real change, why are you so shocked that the real changes always seem to reflect the centrist position?

    Here, "moderate" is simply the thing that most reasonable people can agree on.

    Wake me up when your "real alternative" can come up with a platform most reasonable people can agree on.

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  117. Re:You are a coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK, so, no US military. The USSR annexes the entire world. We have 2 decades of communism, then the system collapses or reforms (you simply can't govern a people long term if you piss them off too much, and the rivalry with the West provided a unifying factor which disappears after they own the West) and everything is happy again by the time I get born in 1980, with the added bonus that we might have a unified world government - which would be pretty useful for dealing with environmental problems and cuts down on the "legal overhead" of different countries.

    In short, IMO it's better to be conquered peacefully then rebel and execute any unjust leaders than it is to wage industrial scale war.

    Poland and East Germany are nice places to live now. The US military didn't prevent the existence of the North Korean regime, so I'm not too impressed with it.

  118. Re:Awesome! by rleibman · · Score: 1

    Did you never stop to consider that maybe the evolution of two major parties, opposing each other around the gravity of a centrist position, is a natural and healthy--and therefore desireable--outcome of democratic rule?
    Yup. I stopped to consider it, thought seriously about it and figured (as posted elsewhere in this thread) that this is not the case, because your one dimensional model is wrong(er) than my two dimensional model. In a two dimensional model (The Nolan Chart), traditional democrats favor economic controls and social freedoms, traditional republicans favor social control and democratic freedoms. Because both parties feel stronger about their "control" platforms than about their "freedom" platforms what you end up with is not a healthy average, but a very unhealthy totalitarian regime.

    Here, "moderate" is simply the thing that most reasonable people can agree on.
    I am a Libertarian, and work day in and day out in getting people to consider the Libertarian alternative. Most reasonable people agree that Libertarianism is the best option, the problem is that most people are not reasonable. Liberty requires thought, and most people don't have the initiative to think about politics, it's beyond the scope of this post to consider the reason.
    Given enough time, I can convince many people to register Libertarian (or at least Decline-to-state) as long as they aren't already "in politics".

    Wake me up when your "real alternative" can come up with a platform most reasonable people can agree on.
    Wake up!

  119. YHBT HAND by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GNAA FO LIFF

  120. Re:You are a coward by k98sven · · Score: 1

    If you're so smart, you'd be able to make your point without ad hominem attacks.

  121. Re:You are a coward by mathmathrevolution · · Score: 1

    Oh that's right, it's the per capita spending that matters... because when you get into a modern war you simply compare rates of per capita spending to decide who wins. It's a good thing wars aren't decided by absolute measure of military power like they used to do in less progressive eras.

  122. Re:You are a coward by Shihar · · Score: 1

    what advise was actually given them? And who specifically gave that advice to them? I'm not sure that any 'governance training' was offered or accepted.

    And ultimately if any 'advice' was actually offered the responsibility should be on those who took action.


    If you want to know "who" passed along terrible advice, the IMF and the US treasury by association can take a fair amount of blame. The US treasury has a massive amount of influence and control over the IMF and is really the only nation in the world that has veto power over its actions. They advocated a 'market fundamentalist' approach most of the remnants the USSR that went down the path of liberalization, including Russia, obliged and followed their advice. Russia followed the IMF's advice almost to the T. There is absolutely no doubt in anyone's mind that Russia listened to their advice as they followed their formula almost to the letter.

    Even the IMF admits that its interventions in Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union were an utter failure. I don't place a lot of blame on them. In hindsight rapid liberalization is a poor idea. When Russia liberalized they sold off nearly all state owned property without setting up a fair framework to sell it and keep capital within the nation. The bidding process for state property was horribly flawed and resulted a few powerful people snapping up state industries at bargain bin prices. To make matters worse, instead of rehabilitating state owned industries and pruning them to make them efficient as it was hoped, they had their capital stripped and sold. The money from these sales was then quickly moved out of the country for fear of devaluation of the Russia currency. In short, it was a complete cluster fuck. There was massive unemployment, dramatic wage cuts, whole sale looting of Russian industry, and in general a big mess was made.

    The proper course of action would have to had a transitional period instead throwing a people who had nearly a centaury of collectivist rule into full scale anarcho-capitalism. Don't get me wrong. I am a big believer in globalization and capitalism, but I am not so bedazzled with it that I think that stripping a former communist nation's industrial base over night is a good thing.

    And specifically how is Russia now any different that the US was in the first half of the 20th century?

    Do you want a list? The state controls nearly all media. A massive amount of power has accumulated into the executive branch of the government. No, I don't mean G.W. "massive" amount. The executive branch picks governors of Russia providences and has very few checks and balances placed upon it by other branches of government. Political freedom is desperately low. During the last election the lead candidate was kidnapped, drugged, and ended up finishing his failed campaign outside of Russia because he was afraid to do it inside Russia. The US has never had any of the above problems even beginning to approach the scale that Russia is dealing with.

    The mafia and political machines had direct control over local politicians and had vast influence over national policies even through the mid 60s. So if Russia takes a few more years to evolve its court system and remove criminal control, is it 'wrong'? Is it hard to imagine that a vast political and social change should take some time. And why should outsiders (you say 'we' when referencing the US) pass moral judgments? Especially since the US had their own problems with organized crime so very long after their independence.

    The US "problem" with organized crime in its past doesn't even fit on the same scale as Russia's problem. Russia organized crime is powerful enough to almost be considered another branch of the government. Russia is taking some steps to fix their problems with organized crime, but it will take decades to undo the damage done when organized crime looted the nation after the collapse of communism.

    And so how should the US have 'hand

  123. am I missing something? by v1 · · Score: 1

    There's that pesky "for every action there is an equal but opposite reaction" rule. If you levitate a vibrating object, true, the object's inertia may help to buffer the vibration, and the lack of physical contact will certainly be a benefit, but in the end, the vibrating object will create a disturbance in the magnetic field that is levitating it, which will in turn cause the maglev unit itself to vibrate. Isn't this going to a lot of work for a very minor benefit?

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  124. Re:You are a coward by jesterpilot · · Score: 1

    In many places in Europe, 'liberal' is an euphemism for the far right.

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  125. Maglev has been around for decades. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is nothing new here. Magnetic Bearings have been in use for decades now on all sorts of rotating equipment. Levitate a spinning shaft, control the movement of the shaft and therefore the physical vibrations. Go check out www.skfmagneticbearings.com, or www.s2m.fr . The US even has schools specializing in these systems, check out www.virginia.edu/romac/, www.mengr.tamu.edu/People/facultyinfo.asp?LastName =Palazzolo.

  126. Re:You are a coward by westyx · · Score: 1

    Yeah, percentage of GDP is a great indicator of strength, seeing as Jordan tops the list, and their military is world class, bar none. *rolleyes*

  127. Gun sights? by Derf+the · · Score: 1

    Just musing about stabilization on gun sights; why not?
    So you presently have this image of the "cross hair" stable and all other information [the target & surroundings] jumping around. Wouldn't it be more usable to have a stable scene [smoothly scrolling] with the [more than normally] prominent cross hair doing the jumping around [unstabilized obviously].
    This would allow better pattern recognition in the way the barrel is actually veering, hence better information to enable the shooter in controlling it [by hand].

    Why not?

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  128. Re:You are a coward by hairykrishna · · Score: 1
    You make good points. But surely the best part of a grand EACH every year is still a touch excessive, regardless of how much the israelis spend?

    Meh, whatever, I'm british so it matters little to me what you guys spend your hard earned tax dollars on.

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